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ahhh god.. i'm so f***ing happy we CAUGHT him instead of KILLING him..
imagine if we purposefully or accidentally killed him >_><b>
edit:</b> i bet that, if we ever come upon bin laden, he's f***ing dead.. and he's not the leader of a broken nation, he's just random human scum. kill away, plier his toenails off and blowtorch his toes before you do. that i won't care about.
anyway... on a side note, i don't think the attacks vs. US soldiers will decrease with his capture.
from a practical point, i'm gonna guess that things will stay the same, or the ferocity might even increase in retaliatory action.
from a strategic point, he wasn't the mastermind of many anti-US-occupation attacks... because his little hole didn't have any communication methods.
Yea, that may seem to be out of context, but the point I am trying to get across is the question that is digging at everyone's mind, what to do with him now that we got him? If the sentence is unfair, what will we do?
<span style='color:white'>Then write that point up. We're not here to compare our literacy in horror novels.</span>
The US has no jurisdiction over the trying of Saddam. I'm sure that is the sentiment of the Iraqi people, because it is the sentiment of an Iraqi-born such as myself. For every warcrime and injustice Saddam has committed upon Iraq and its neighbours, the US and UN have out done him. Refer to "Highway of Death", "US two-faced approach to Iraq-Iran war" and "UN Sanctions on Iraq". And what's more, Iraqis hold the US responsible for Saddam's rise to power.
So now that Saddam is out of the picture, let's pave the way for people like Ahmed Chalabi to move in. Another corrupt figure that will be America's good little pet. As much as I'm happy to see Saddam go, I can't help but feel this is part of a revolution that has gone full circle and is starting again.
The bloodshed in Iraq will continue until the US relinquishes all interest in the country. A council of Americanized and unqualified individuals will only be seen as a weak government to keep Iraq under America's thumb. Saddam's chapter is closed, but the book on Iraq has many chapters left to go until the Iraqi people can have their peace of mind.
<!--QuoteBegin--Jammer+Dec 14 2003, 12:16 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Jammer @ Dec 14 2003, 12:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> This is great news. Even if you're opposed to the war, you should still be happy to see a mass murdering dictator see justice. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Sure am. Now if only the US would start bringing justice to all the mass murdering dictators and not just the ones that are convienient targets. Oh yeah, and if they stopped lying about WMDs and pleaded the case on entirely humanitarian grounds, that wouldn't hurt either.
As for who he is tried by, does anyone but the iraquis deserve to try him? Certainly not the US, he didn't attack us after all. From what I recall he was obiding by international law until we invaded him, so the UN is out as well.
Forgive me if this has been said earlier but I didn't have time to read the whole thread because I have to go to work.
<!--QuoteBegin--SkulkBait+Dec 14 2003, 03:45 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SkulkBait @ Dec 14 2003, 03:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Sure am. Now if only the US would start bringing justice to all the mass murdering dictators and not just the ones that are convienient targets. Oh yeah, and if they stopped lying about WMDs and pleaded the case on entirely humanitarian grounds, that wouldn't hurt either. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> It's a side issue, but who really expects the US to attack all dictatorships at once? I'm all for attacking every single dictatorship on earth with the full power of the US, UN, NATO, and the kitchen sink, but militarily speaking going after them all at once is a pretty dumb idea. And while I think the WMD issue is still pretty screwed up, there is certainly plenty of precedent enough after decades of known weapons to assume that there are still weapons.
This is all pretty O/T rhetoric you bring up though. Let's try and keep on track talking about Saddam and what's going to happen to him now. From what I've read, it sounds like the Iraqi's are pretty sure they get to try him:
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Iraqi Vows Fair, Public Trial for Hussein
By Daryl Strickland, Times Staff Writer
A member of Iraq's interim government said today that deposed leader Saddam Hussein, who eluded U.S. forces for more than eight months until his capture Saturday, will be tried in Iraq for alleged war crimes.
A public trial will be held once the nation's tribunal is launched, probably after July 1 when the occupational administration is planned to dissolve. "This will not be a trial for revenge," said Ahmad Chalabi, a Governing Council member, told reporters at a press conference in Baghdad. "This (will be) a just trial."
Iraqi officials, which announced Wednesday that the tribunal would be formed to determine whether crimes were committed against Iraqis, said that the death penalty could be restored once Iraq recovers its sovereignty. Capital punishment had been suspended after Baghdad fell in April, so that the judical system influenced largely by Hussein, could be improved.
The tribunal is expected to span crimes from April 1968, when Hussein's political party, the Baathists, took power until last May when President Bush announced that major hostilities had ended. While Hussein took over the presidency in 1979, his broad influence began in the early 1970s.
But the governing body's decision could become more controversial as some critics from the U.S. and elsewhere were expected to press for a trial conducted under international law. It would be a trial similar to what major Serbians leaders have faced for war crimes duing the siege of Sarajevo in the 1992-95 Bosnian war.
While U.S. officials described Hussein as "cooperative," four governing council members who spoke with the former president said he was unapologetic and sarchastic in answering their questions about why he allegedly killed tens of thousands Iraqi's during his brutal rule.
When asked about the deaths, they recalled Hussein saying he ordered only "thieves" killed.
Adnan Pachachi, who is the council's current leader, described his capture as a historic day, one that brings Iraqi people "joy and pleasure." "The arrest of the tyrant has happened and we hope this opens the door to continue our campaign to rebuild Iraq," he said.
Times Staff Writer Carol J. Williams contributed from Baghdad <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
On the other hand, upon being asked whether and when Hussein would be handed over, Sanchez stated that this was "Not yet decided." Let's just hope that Bush doesn't decide to use Husseins trial for a form of election advertisement.
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<a href='http://uk.news.yahoo.com/031210/323/egqsq.html' target='_blank'>Iraq council set up</a> It seems a few days before saddams arrest a council was set up to try people for war cromes in the 'saddam era'.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Back in Iraq, the vote to set up a special tribunal heralds the setting up of a court that would be staffed by Iraqi judges and based on Iraqi law but could also use foreign experts, Governing Council member Mowaffak al-Rubaie told AFP.
"The Governing Council approved late last night the creation of an Iraqi penal tribunal to try former members of Saddam Hussein's regime for their crimes against humanity," he said.
"These crimes include those committed against the Islamic Republic of Iran, against the state of Kuwait and against the Arab, Kurd, Turkmen, Assyrian, Shia and Sunni sons of the Iraqi people for the period from July 17, 1968, until May 1 of this year," said al-Rubaie.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
apparently these tribunals will be out of the public domain aswell.. handy that, if you had former dealings with the man.
yeah i know the article repeats itself alot, and has no factul basis other than the close proximity of the dates. But you must admit, its very <i>fortunate</i> for a certain select few that this council was set up when it was, and not a few days later!
The thing about conspiracies is how stupid they really sound when you break them down. How imbecilic do you have to be to form a conspiracy that matches up so closely with your plans, so CLOSE to your plans coming to fruition. Not to mention that if the Bush administration knew where Saddam was for months, why would they sit there and get pounded into oblivion in the polls and guarantee not being re-elected because of their apparent ineptitude in finding this guy that was the whole reason for being there in the first place? Just silly, and yet I know this won't be the last I hear of this pap.
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<!--QuoteBegin--Nemesis Zero+Dec 14 2003, 07:56 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Dec 14 2003, 07:56 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> OK, first, a few links in case you've been living under a rock:
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><span style='font-size:10pt;line-height:100%'>MonsE wrote:</span> Not to mention that if the Bush administration knew where Saddam was for months, why would they sit there and get pounded into oblivion in the polls and guarantee not being re-elected because of their apparent ineptitude in finding this guy that was the whole reason for being there in the first place?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
On-topic: If Bush stopped using the WMD excuse (however true it may/may not be), maybe some anti-war critics would actually look at the things Sadam <b>did</b> do, like mass killings and the like. I'm glad he's caught.
<!--QuoteBegin--Nemesis Zero+Dec 14 2003, 12:21 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Dec 14 2003, 12:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> As I said before, I'm rather interested in that point. Right now, his attitude is described as 'cooperative', but how far do you think should investigators be allowed to go with him? I'm pretty sure Hussein will, to name an example, not disclose the location of possible WMD reserves not to weaken his position in court - legally, that's his right. What do you think about this? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Well it all depends on what we do with him. After were done interrogating him, we might hand him over to the Iraqi's where he's more likely to get a twelve man thumbs up thumbs down "trial", not like he deserves any better though. Hell let them shoot him up, drag him through the streets, then play football with his inflated bladder, if it makes them happy. I really hope we give him over to them and say "do as you please", that way the "loyalists" can't blame us for killing him, and the Iraqi's would be grateful. Some sort of international trial wouldn't mean as much to them.
The laws that protect our enemies are the same laws that protect ourselves.
The guy is bad, don't torture him. I don't mind if he gets hanged.
I'm glad they found him, but now I'm afraid that Bush will get reelected. I wish I could give the entire population a big slap in the face to make them wake up.
It's irrelevant though. He's a POW, he cannot be tortured. Technically, if he is handed over to the Iraqis while they are still legally 'occupied' by us, he cannot be killed either; the US suspended the death penalty in Iraq when major hostilities ended.
Although it is a big relief he <i>WAS</i> caught (and I hope that **** gets tortured like there's no tomorrow), I'm just curious about how long our troops will be in Iraq for, now that they have caught Saddam.
Hopefully this event might turn some heads for George Dubya, and all the people who didn't trust him and didn't believe him will now.
No one even expects a fair trial. What do you think the defence's argument will be? "Well, yes...I suppose he is a tyrant. And, yeah, he might have killed a lot of people. But he is nice to animals"
in what way specifically do you think saddams capture will change things. I mean that not only in Iraq (expected less attacks on coalition troops), but also in America (west in general) and peoples view of Bush.
in regards to peoples views on Bush, I personally dont think it changes anything, yes he has toppled sadam but it was surely never what the war was about (at least at the start).
<!--QuoteBegin--Mullet+Dec 14 2003, 03:58 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mullet @ Dec 14 2003, 03:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Hopefully this event might turn some heads for George Dubya, and all the people who didn't trust him and didn't believe him will now.
If Bush gets a second term I'll gladly insert a bullet into his brain. He's screwed the world, he's screwed our country, and he's screwed every single taxpayer like they're just filthy prostitutes for his amusement.
<!--QuoteBegin--uranium - 235+Dec 14 2003, 07:31 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (uranium - 235 @ Dec 14 2003, 07:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Mullet+Dec 14 2003, 03:58 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mullet @ Dec 14 2003, 03:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Hopefully this event might turn some heads for George Dubya, and all the people who didn't trust him and didn't believe him will now.
If Bush gets a second term I'll gladly insert a bullet into his brain. He's screwed the world, he's screwed our country, and he's screwed every single taxpayer like they're just filthy prostitutes for his amusement. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I can get you arrested for saying that <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> Honestly he's allot better then any of the other choices we have.
Yeah, I was very pleased when I heard how the capture went down. Good stuff. I'm hoping the whole cooperative mood thing they keep saying means that he'll tell us where the rest of the stuff they found back in the 90's that's unaccounted for is. We've found all kinds of WMD programs, just like Bush said we would, but we havn't found any WMDs yet, even the ones we knew about but couldn't get too from years ago. Which means they're either very well hidden, or shipped out of the country before we arrived. Or, of course, if you choose not to believe Bush, along with Clinton and the entire UN back in the 90's, I suppose it could never have existed. I'm hoping Saddam will be willing to try begging for his life by telling us where they went so we can make sure the Syrians or whoever don't hand them off to someone we don't want having them. Either way, handing him over to a tribunal of the new Iraqi army would be beautifull. Keeping him as a prisoner for a while first would be fine with me. In this case, I don't think involving the UN war crimes tribunal or any of those kinds of people would be a good idea, but if that's the way we go I think it will work out any way. Pretty much no matter where you're coming from, today was a good day. I think we can all agree on that.
It'll be interesting to see how a trial goes down. If its a full fledged investigation, then hopefully his CIA and American Gov ties will be brought out into the open. I wonder how the public would react if/when they find out the US basically created him.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->SADDAM HUSSEIN has denied he had any weapons of mass destruction and has not been very cooperative since his capture, Time magazine reported today quoting a US intelligence official.
"No, of course not," Saddam was quoted as saying about Iraq's alleged weapons programs, "the US dreamed them up itself to have a reason to go to war with us".
Now it gets interesting. What if Saddam is actually telling the truth here? Whilst the US is obviously going to be happy that a mass-murderer like Saddam is in custody, one of the big slices of information they'd want to recieve would be the location of WMDs. Yet what if there are none?
Put yourself in Saddam's position; why should he lie? He must know that he won't be found innocent, and that the evidence against him is staggering. There's really no reason for him not to say where the WMDs are: except if there arn't any to be found.
As I said in the other thread, I'm not sure of what effect this will have yet. I'm a bit worried that his capture will lead to the increase in attacks, particularly retribution attacks. In addition, I hope they do not name who assisted, so that those people do not become targets either.
Now, lets just hope it isn't one of his <i>doubles</i>... otherwise someone will be in trouble <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
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imagine if we purposefully or accidentally killed him >_><b>
edit:</b> i bet that, if we ever come upon bin laden, he's f***ing dead.. and he's not the leader of a broken nation, he's just random human scum. kill away, plier his toenails off and blowtorch his toes before you do. that i won't care about.
anyway... on a side note, i don't think the attacks vs. US soldiers will decrease with his capture.
from a practical point, i'm gonna guess that things will stay the same, or the ferocity might even increase in retaliatory action.
from a strategic point, he wasn't the mastermind of many anti-US-occupation attacks... because his little hole didn't have any communication methods.
.. wait, he looks like gandalf.
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No way, don't say that! Aaaah....!
I'm so glad we got him alive. He will rue the day he crossed our path.
One down, one to go!
<span style='color:white'>Then write that point up. We're not here to compare our literacy in horror novels.</span>
So now that Saddam is out of the picture, let's pave the way for people like Ahmed Chalabi to move in. Another corrupt figure that will be America's good little pet. As much as I'm happy to see Saddam go, I can't help but feel this is part of a revolution that has gone full circle and is starting again.
The bloodshed in Iraq will continue until the US relinquishes all interest in the country. A council of Americanized and unqualified individuals will only be seen as a weak government to keep Iraq under America's thumb. Saddam's chapter is closed, but the book on Iraq has many chapters left to go until the Iraqi people can have their peace of mind.
- Mixed-Feelings
Sure am. Now if only the US would start bringing justice to all the mass murdering dictators and not just the ones that are convienient targets. Oh yeah, and if they stopped lying about WMDs and pleaded the case on entirely humanitarian grounds, that wouldn't hurt either.
As for who he is tried by, does anyone but the iraquis deserve to try him? Certainly not the US, he didn't attack us after all. From what I recall he was obiding by international law until we invaded him, so the UN is out as well.
Forgive me if this has been said earlier but I didn't have time to read the whole thread because I have to go to work.
It's a side issue, but who really expects the US to attack all dictatorships at once? I'm all for attacking every single dictatorship on earth with the full power of the US, UN, NATO, and the kitchen sink, but militarily speaking going after them all at once is a pretty dumb idea. And while I think the WMD issue is still pretty screwed up, there is certainly plenty of precedent enough after decades of known weapons to assume that there are still weapons.
This is all pretty O/T rhetoric you bring up though. Let's try and keep on track talking about Saddam and what's going to happen to him now. From what I've read, it sounds like the Iraqi's are pretty sure they get to try him:
<a href='http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/iraq/la-121403trial_lat,1,813168.story?coll=la-home-headlines' target='_blank'>http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/ir...-home-headlines</a>
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Iraqi Vows Fair, Public Trial for Hussein
By Daryl Strickland, Times Staff Writer
A member of Iraq's interim government said today that deposed leader Saddam Hussein, who eluded U.S. forces for more than eight months until his capture Saturday, will be tried in Iraq for alleged war crimes.
A public trial will be held once the nation's tribunal is launched, probably after July 1 when the occupational administration is planned to dissolve. "This will not be a trial for revenge," said Ahmad Chalabi, a Governing Council member, told reporters at a press conference in Baghdad. "This (will be) a just trial."
Iraqi officials, which announced Wednesday that the tribunal would be formed to determine whether crimes were committed against Iraqis, said that the death penalty could be restored once Iraq recovers its sovereignty. Capital punishment had been suspended after Baghdad fell in April, so that the judical system influenced largely by Hussein, could be improved.
The tribunal is expected to span crimes from April 1968, when Hussein's political party, the Baathists, took power until last May when President Bush announced that major hostilities had ended. While Hussein took over the presidency in 1979, his broad influence began in the early 1970s.
But the governing body's decision could become more controversial as some critics from the U.S. and elsewhere were expected to press for a trial conducted under international law. It would be a trial similar to what major Serbians leaders have faced for war crimes duing the siege of Sarajevo in the 1992-95 Bosnian war.
While U.S. officials described Hussein as "cooperative," four governing council members who spoke with the former president said he was unapologetic and sarchastic in answering their questions about why he allegedly killed tens of thousands Iraqi's during his brutal rule.
When asked about the deaths, they recalled Hussein saying he ordered only "thieves" killed.
Adnan Pachachi, who is the council's current leader, described his capture as a historic day, one that brings Iraqi people "joy and pleasure." "The arrest of the tyrant has happened and we hope this opens the door to continue our campaign to rebuild Iraq," he said.
Times Staff Writer Carol J. Williams contributed from Baghdad
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Let's just hope that Bush doesn't decide to use Husseins trial for a form of election advertisement.
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comradepjofsky: didja hear
Windelkron: ?
comradepjofsky: saddam got pwnt
Windelkron: no you idiot
Windelkron: didnt YOU hear
Windelkron: it was faked
Windelkron: just like jessica lynch
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Windelkron: u there?
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Windelkron: if you goto fox news
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Windelkron: it says "gullible" over and over
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It seems a few days before saddams arrest a council was set up to try people for war cromes in the 'saddam era'.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Back in Iraq, the vote to set up a special tribunal heralds the setting up of a court that would be staffed by Iraqi judges and based on Iraqi law but could also use foreign experts, Governing Council member Mowaffak al-Rubaie told AFP.
"The Governing Council approved late last night the creation of an Iraqi penal tribunal to try former members of Saddam Hussein's regime for their crimes against humanity," he said.
"These crimes include those committed against the Islamic Republic of Iran, against the state of Kuwait and against the Arab, Kurd, Turkmen, Assyrian, Shia and Sunni sons of the Iraqi people for the period from July 17, 1968, until May 1 of this year," said al-Rubaie.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
apparently these tribunals will be out of the public domain aswell.. handy that, if you had former dealings with the man.
anyone for some conspiracy hax?
<a href='http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2003/12/282832.html' target='_blank'>Clicky Clicky</a>
yeah i know the article repeats itself alot, and has no factul basis other than the close proximity of the dates.
But you must admit, its very <i>fortunate</i> for a certain select few that this council was set up when it was, and not a few days later!
Conspiracies are friggin' retarded. IMO.
<a href='http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/12/14/sprj.irq.main/index.html' target='_blank'>CNN</a>
<a href='http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3317429.stm' target='_blank'>BBC</a>
<a href='http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,105706,00.html' target='_blank'>FOX</a> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
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this was news to me when I read this topic
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><span style='font-size:10pt;line-height:100%'>MonsE wrote:</span>
Not to mention that if the Bush administration knew where Saddam was for months, why would they sit there and get pounded into oblivion in the polls and guarantee not being re-elected because of their apparent ineptitude in finding this guy that was the whole reason for being there in the first place?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
TO CONFUSE THE ILLUMINATI
On-topic: If Bush stopped using the WMD excuse (however true it may/may not be), maybe some anti-war critics would actually look at the things Sadam <b>did</b> do, like mass killings and the like. I'm glad he's caught.
What do you think about this?
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Well it all depends on what we do with him. After were done interrogating him, we might hand him over to the Iraqi's where he's more likely to get a twelve man thumbs up thumbs down "trial", not like he deserves any better though. Hell let them shoot him up, drag him through the streets, then play football with his inflated bladder, if it makes them happy. I really hope we give him over to them and say "do as you please", that way the "loyalists" can't blame us for killing him, and the Iraqi's would be grateful. Some sort of international trial wouldn't mean as much to them.
The guy is bad, don't torture him. I don't mind if he gets hanged.
I'm glad they found him, but now I'm afraid that Bush will get reelected. I wish I could give the entire population a big slap in the face to make them wake up.
Hopefully this event might turn some heads for George Dubya, and all the people who didn't trust him and didn't believe him will now.
woot! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
in what way specifically do you think saddams capture will change things.
I mean that not only in Iraq (expected less attacks on coalition troops), but also in America (west in general) and peoples view of Bush.
in regards to peoples views on Bush, I personally dont think it changes anything, yes he has toppled sadam but it was surely never what the war was about (at least at the start).
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woot! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If Bush gets a second term I'll gladly insert a bullet into his brain. He's screwed the world, he's screwed our country, and he's screwed every single taxpayer like they're just filthy prostitutes for his amusement.
woot! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If Bush gets a second term I'll gladly insert a bullet into his brain. He's screwed the world, he's screwed our country, and he's screwed every single taxpayer like they're just filthy prostitutes for his amusement. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I can get you arrested for saying that <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> Honestly he's allot better then any of the other choices we have.
My guess is he never makes it to a trial.
"No, of course not," Saddam was quoted as saying about Iraq's alleged weapons programs, "the US dreamed them up itself to have a reason to go to war with us".
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Now it gets interesting. What if Saddam is actually telling the truth here? Whilst the US is obviously going to be happy that a mass-murderer like Saddam is in custody, one of the big slices of information they'd want to recieve would be the location of WMDs. Yet what if there are none?
Put yourself in Saddam's position; why should he lie? He must know that he won't be found innocent, and that the evidence against him is staggering. There's really no reason for him not to say where the WMDs are: except if there arn't any to be found.
Let's see how this develops...