Bast Remake Project

DragonMech · March 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mendasp @ Mar 17 2004, 12:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Give us one, or two weeks, and if there are no problems...

Bast will be back.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
*Starts busting a move*

YES!

eaglec · March 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Psyke @ Mar 17 2004, 07:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Go play bast in 2.0 ... in the feedwater hive, look up at the hole in the ceiling with the pipes that you sometimes spawn in for some reason...

It's really ahrd to get up there, takes some tricky climbing, but you can fit like 8 or 12 chambers in there, i can't remember... It's a nice little hiding spot.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
That was where I thought you meant but my memory tells me there is no room for so many chambers. Then again I'm probably too old to be trusting my memory :/

BobTheJanitor · March 2004

What about the behind the tram area? Has that been extended to provide a sense of continuance of the tunnel, or are you just sticking with the old style where it almost immediately goes dark? Screenshots are looking great, of course.

Invader_Scoot · March 2004

Man I can't wait to play this new bast, just like I couldn't wait to play the new nancy. As soon as it's done I hope beta 4 is released so we can play it.

remi · March 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (eaglec @ Mar 17 2004, 04:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Psyke @ Mar 17 2004, 07:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Go play bast in 2.0 ... in the feedwater hive, look up at the hole in the ceiling with the pipes that you sometimes spawn in for some reason...

It's really ahrd to get up there, takes some tricky climbing, but you can fit like 8 or 12 chambers in there, i can't remember... It's a nice little hiding spot. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
That was where I thought you meant but my memory tells me there is no room for so many chambers. Then again I'm probably too old to be trusting my memory :/  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
There was at least room for 6... I could have sworn there was enough for 3 MC, 3 DC, and a sens or two... I'm not sure, but It was probably either room for 6 or 8, and i'm pretty sure it was 8... (mind you, there's 4 on the bottom, and 4 stacked on top of those.. and then just enough space for a gorge to run really small laps.

BobTheJanitor · March 2004

Just tried it out in 3.0... there's really only room for 4, unless chambers were somehow more stackable in a smaller space in 2.0, which they didn't seem to be to me.

venomus · March 2004

I have a question for you:

Will you be making the source available to mappers who want to make extra expanded or tweaked versions of Bast?
You would not have to release it openly, for example give it out to individual requests.
Go on ... you know you want to <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' />

MrBen · March 2004

We do? I must have missed a memo.

Insane · March 2004

I can't imagine Relic handing out the source, so I really don't think we are going to either. <i>I</i> don't think it's a good idea, anyway... I expect the others would agree with me.

Mendasp · March 2004

I don't think we will make the source available. Sorry.

We will make private PTs, and if everything goes fine... I'm thinking of doing some public PTs, but first, I'll send it to Flayra and see what he thinks <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />

Grizzly · March 2004

ok, now evrybody join in screaming :
"We want screenis ! we want screenies !"

great work

venomus · March 2004

Shame...

Well, some day try to do an extended version of Bast, it would be the coolest thing evR. I have full faith in you getting the simple remake done right.

Olmy · March 2004

I don't understand the reluctancy to do public beta tests myself. I don't see what harm it can do, and also can help collect lots of feedback from the people who play ns most commonly - ie 'the public'.

True · March 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Edgecrusher @ Mar 18 2004, 11:26 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I don't understand the reluctancy to do public beta tests myself. I don't see what harm it can do, and also can help collect lots of feedback from the people who play ns most commonly - ie 'the public'.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
I tend to agree on this point - "if you serve it, they will come" and you will find anything that needs fixed/changed due to exploits, balance, feel etc...

Even if I was in on the private "inner circle" I would love the public to be able to join in... I don't know how many releases there were privately for the Steam version of NS but we ratcheted up to public beta3 pretty quickly...

DrunkenMonkey · March 2004

Ok, we just had a small playtest on the map with some people from the #nsmapping-channel and some PTs. Looks like the map works quite well, and the biggest issue right now seems to be the lighting that's way too dark. But we haven't started with the balance-stuff yet. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />
Here's some screenshots from the playtest:

DrunkenMonkey · March 2004

One more. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' />

DrunkenMonkey · March 2004

I'm feeling generous, so here's even one more. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />

DrunkenMonkey · March 2004

...and the last one.

Mendasp · March 2004

There will be public PTs, just... not now, they will happen when we feel the product is more finished and presentable to the whole public. It doesn't take so many time to get it to look right. We just have to work on the lighting now and the few bugs that we found.

So... stay tunned! <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' />

LagDemon · March 2004

Can we get a screenshot of the latest refinery, showing the Hive?

Naigel · March 2004

Can we get a demo of the whole map, showing all things you made into it?

Nah, j/k. I would like to see a screen of the water tunnel... if it's still there and if it's modified.

remi · March 2004

I hope that the entire map is still sexy, unlike the new marine start in hera... and a lot of other additions/changes in hera...

edit:

And for some reason, I seem to remember the hive listing in the top right being (from top to bottom)

feedwater,
engine,
refinery... could be wrong. I'm gunna go check.

edit2:

I checked, and I was right. It does look odd in your pictures for that reason...

I'm not sure if you can change the order, but it would be nice if you could put that back to how it used to be...

I'm not really sure why I want it that way, I just know that it looks strange the way you've got it.

Mendasp · March 2004

With water corridor I suppose you mean the one with the water vent to feedwater?

And, the hive order... well, we can't do anything about that...

Mendasp · March 2004

Lighting = WIP. We know it's dark.

LePrau · March 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>And, the hive order... well, we can't do anything about that...</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

Well, I guess, deleting the info_locations and recreate them in the "proper" order would do the effect, but anyway I doubt if that it is a problem the way it is now <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' />

MrBen · March 2004

Refinery was darker than that :| The hive is nicely camoed againist the infestation though and i had trouble seeing it as the big cylinder things do block a lot of the line of sight.

venomus · March 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>And, the hive order... well, we can't do anything about that...</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

Try deleting all the hive entities and recreating them in the 'right' order.

Just for added authenticity...

<edit>

LePrau, missed your post. I guess it could also be the info_locations which determine the order, shouldn't take too long to try either way.

</edit>

Mendasp · March 2004

hmmmmm, k, I'll try on the next compile <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />

remi · March 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (venomus @ Mar 18 2004, 07:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Just for added authenticity...  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Ah yes, those were the words I was looking for.

Added authenticity.
And to make the 2.0 people not feel like it's such an unfamiliar map like how the new hera feels.

And I don't know why, but as I said, I looked at your pictures, noticed the beauty of the map, and then noticed the oddness of the hive order, lol... Wow, i've played too many games there for sure.

remi · March 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mendasp @ Mar 18 2004, 06:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> With water corridor I suppose you mean the one with the water vent to feedwater?

And, the hive order... well, we can't do anything about that...  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Did there used to be a ladder there? It looks really out of place... that doesn't seem like a place where there really should be a ladder... and especially not like a pool one... lol...

Looks really odd to me.

Refinery Hive looks so sexy.
That was always my favorite place in that map...
Well, except for that cave in feedwater...
... And the rest of the map.
I think the only place I really <i>didn't</i> like was the little ComChair pod thing... it was so stupid, and encouraged you to either do a bonsai base, or to put some turrets up there, and yeah.....
I hope the command chair is being moved, or at least that little thing is being fixed to be a bit better.

Oh. Back to refinery...

The fact that I know how it used to look just makes the infestation look so much sweeter. I see it, and it's like "What the hell happened while we were gone! We must exterminate the kaharaa!" Y'know? lol...

It's like we left for a year, came back, and all the infestation is abck, but even worse this time.

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