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  • Ph0enixPh0enix Join Date: 2002-10-08 Member: 1462Members, Constellation
    Firstly, i'm all for this. Secondly, I hope the attitude shown in the public beta forum is a lot better then during the 2.01 patches.
  • Mr7Mr7 Join Date: 2003-07-21 Member: 18314Members
    Ah thanks you lot..... cant wait <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • LegatLegat Join Date: 2003-07-02 Member: 17868Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
    i disagree, 3.0 is ready for a much borader audience. it may not be in final form but it needs to be balenced for the masses not a bunch of consties and vets who know it insidie and out.
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    I must disagree with this statement, though im neither vet nor constie.
    You cannot bent the game in every direction from where the wind blows.
    If you submit to any complain about this "imbalance" and that "overpower" you ruin the game.
    Because people complain about something they can't handle instead of finding a solution for it.
    So if you start tweaking and nerfing you will only create new imbalances and so on.
    On the other hand. you cannot balance the game based on the asumption that every player has clan skills and
    teamwork.
    Clanners may tell me how powerfull the fade is used in the right hands, but I simply see how easy it is to shred it with a shotgun, compared to
    slash the shotgunner, and see that the 2.0 fade is imbalanced.
    The problem with game developement is, that you must find a way to please both regulars and professional players.
    The key is it to find game mechanics, that can be exploited in ways not intended by the developers. Thats what professionals do.
    They find flaws that can be used to win.
    Like placing structures to distract sentries or OCs. Or hiding behind a reiling on a walkway where the Onos cant reach you and stomp does not affect you because you are on a diffetent floor level in terms of game mechanics. Or jumping on attacking skulks and sitting on their back while they are helpless.....
    That is not meant to criticise professional players. I fully understand why such tactics are used, and in clan environments, this is no problem.
    But such exploits and the balancing toward vet skills also affects pub play, simply because average Joe Pub has not the skills to use a fade properly and dies within 1 and a half seconds after gestation, wasting 50 res to 2 shotgunners with 20 res total, not killing even one.

    Balancing this is increadibly difficult, I am well aware of that, and I honestly don't have a clue how to achieve something like real balance in
    something as complex as NS.

    All I can suggest is, that the team should really think about what the mechanics should look like. Should a marine really be able to jump like a
    grasshopper to evade atttacks he was supposed to fend of from the distance?
    Should it be so much easier to shoot a single fade than to slash a single marine?
    should an Onos really be cheaper (reswhise) to compensate his weakness to gunfire, or should he instead be more powerfull like in 1.4?
    Is it a good thing that some people win because of some small weaknesses in the AI or the engine?

    I honestly don't know, but im curious and I trust in the Teams descisions. ( as long sa they finally stop this annoying crackweaseljumping <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> )
  • Nemesis_ZeroNemesis_Zero Old European Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 75Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    This topic has <i>not</i> been put up to discuss well known controversial gameplay aspects. Please leave them out out of here.
  • LegatLegat Join Date: 2003-07-02 Member: 17868Members
    Sorry!

    Meant yes, bring it on, im looking foward.
  • lyndaklyndak God Join Date: 2002-11-13 Member: 8419Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--The Cheat+Jan 23 2004, 09:49 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (The Cheat @ Jan 23 2004, 09:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Just read the email, Flay, and I can say that it will definitely help. The game is ready now as of 3.0g in my opinion. The new alien armor absorption changes are the biggest. It is closer to being balanced than it ever was from my playing experience, dating back to the JP-HMG rushes of 1.04 to the regeneration onos in 2.01.

    Now is the time. The public awaits and I can tell them right now that 3.0 is kickass! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I agree, but if you need more players for betas, present and future, I don't think you should be cutting off the consties. Out of interest, what about the Vets? Obviously the PTs will still PT, right?

    Meh, I don't know, I just know alot of **** off consties who sent you money to play betas aren't going to be very happy.

    It is a donation, it is a way to support the game.

    It is <b>not</b> a way to play the betas.

    This idea should never have been enforced anyway (especially by the senoir NS community members), as, in the end, if consties do loose Beta-ship, then you're going to be **** off alot of people of whom you yourself said you've been living off (well, their donations at least).

    I don't condone their actions & I certainly don't agree with them, but if you really need the funds so much, then why cut off your nose to spite your own face?


    Just one mans opinion, but I'm sure it's alot of other peoples aswel.
  • Diablo_fxDiablo_fx Join Date: 2003-02-21 Member: 13793Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--I tre merli+Jan 24 2004, 09:47 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (I tre merli @ Jan 24 2004, 09:47 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> ?@?@ ?¿?Q?Q?Q?¿
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    WTH?
  • AlienCowAlienCow Join Date: 2003-09-20 Member: 21040Members
    HehehehehhhAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. *Ahem*

    People, stop arguing and complaining - this thread is for thanking the boss <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->

    Good work, cant wait. <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::lerk::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/lerk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='lerk.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • Quantum_DuckQuantum_Duck Join Date: 2003-10-21 Member: 21851Members, Constellation
    As a constie, I'd like to say I like this. Just be sure to keep mentioning that it's still beta, so they hopefully won't be expecting a perfect product just yet. 3.0 still has issues, but it's getting to the point where it's very playable and fun, so I'm looking forward to having more people involved. Plus, after playing against so many really good players, it's nice to play against the public at times where I realize how much better I've gotten playing against really good players. I can just never tell cause the really good players still kill me too much. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->

    Anyway, bring 'em on, the more the merrier.
  • TyrainTyrain Join Date: 2003-01-03 Member: 11746Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Diablo_fx+Jan 24 2004, 11:48 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Diablo_fx @ Jan 24 2004, 11:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--I tre merli+Jan 24 2004, 09:47 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (I tre merli @ Jan 24 2004, 09:47 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> ?@?@ ?¿?Q?Q?Q?¿
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    WTH? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    You probably need to install a language packet to read that...
  • BigBullBigBull Join Date: 2003-04-02 Member: 15123Members
    Im really excited about this.

    Because a number things can help the community and my personal community in itself.

    This is great for gameplay attraction and possibly for the investing Flayra is looking for.


    All i can say..

    I cant wait.
  • RabidWeaselRabidWeasel Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 5337Members
    edited January 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Yeah she's definately ready, 3.0g is a treat.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    When someone like CWAG says this, you know it's good! <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • echsechs Join Date: 2002-12-27 Member: 11568Members, Constellation
    It's all good. NS 3.0 is soon to be released to the public anyways. <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/nerd.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • SupernornSupernorn Best. Picture. Ever. Made. Ever. Join Date: 2002-11-07 Member: 7608Members, Constellation
    I'm with Lazer on this one.
  • MrMojoMrMojo Join Date: 2002-11-25 Member: 9882Members, Constellation
    Good. NOW EVERYONE CAN SUFFER BUGS ! AHAHA..H.AHAHA...errr. Carry on.
  • ShockehShockeh If a packet drops on the web and nobody&#39;s near to see it... Join Date: 2002-11-19 Member: 9336NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Well. GG Forums. There will be a wave of nubs coming and complaining. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Yeah, but we'll get over the Veterans returning to the general forum I reckon. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->

    *Chuckle*

    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->This idea should never have been enforced anyway (especially by the senoir NS community members), as, in the end, if consties do loose Beta-ship, then you're going to be **** off alot of people of whom you yourself said you've been living off (well, their donations at least).
    <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Well, they were told it wasn't a Beta entry fee or anything, it was just an added benefit.
  • MrMojoMrMojo Join Date: 2002-11-25 Member: 9882Members, Constellation
    I'm an ungrateful idiot ! I'll ask for my money back since everyone gets to play the beta now and I don't feel nearly as 1337 !
  • Invader_ScootInvader_Scoot Join Date: 2003-10-13 Member: 21669Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    Man... I really won't enjoy playing a game with people mic spamming about how weak onos and fade are now...
  • BigBullBigBull Join Date: 2003-04-02 Member: 15123Members
    Cmon dude


    Glass Half empty or half full....
  • Invader_ScootInvader_Scoot Join Date: 2003-10-13 Member: 21669Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    I'm not against this public beta but I really don't wanna hear any more whining about Onos and Fade.
  • BigBullBigBull Join Date: 2003-04-02 Member: 15123Members
    They will shutup soon.

    Dont worry about it,

    *Mute button muahahah
  • NGENGE Join Date: 2003-11-10 Member: 22443Members
    Quoted from the vet forum:

    <!--QuoteBegin--Absolutionary+Jan 24 2004, 02:25 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Absolutionary @ Jan 24 2004, 02:25 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> not ready... not balanced enough, marines have upper hand even if you dont notice it now
    heres my prediction for the release day

    1. Sensory fetish, everyone will want focus
    2. at least 200 new posts in the general forum about how ns needs to be changed
    3. 500x duplicate bug reports
    4. Aliens getting taken out easily because onos can still be singled by one light marine
    5. People who have never played the game will try it and get a bad impresion <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Which I agree with.
  • BigBullBigBull Join Date: 2003-04-02 Member: 15123Members
    Thats why its BETA
  • OlmyOlmy Join Date: 2003-05-08 Member: 16142Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, NS2 Developer, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Diamond
    Why are the vets and pts so apprehensive about this? Maybe they don't feel as important anymore <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->.
  • surprisesurprise Join Date: 2003-01-16 Member: 12382Members, Constellation
    edited January 2004
    or just find the right servers...

    and remember

    <span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'><span style='color:red'>
    be nice to new player if you meet them, our community needs them !!!
    </span></span>
  • MrMojoMrMojo Join Date: 2002-11-25 Member: 9882Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--Invader Scoot+Jan 24 2004, 08:45 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Invader Scoot @ Jan 24 2004, 08:45 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Man... I really won't enjoy playing a game with people mic spamming about how weak onos and fade are now... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Then don't test this game. Or mute the person. This is better, you have to admit. If you don't like mic spammer and general idiots, join a favorite server that is running the latest 3.0 version and play there, with good admins or whatnot.
  • th0r0nth0r0n Born again n00b Join Date: 2003-06-12 Member: 17313Members
    SCHTOP! THIS GAME ISNT READY YET!
  • NGENGE Join Date: 2003-11-10 Member: 22443Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Edgecrusher+Jan 24 2004, 09:15 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Edgecrusher @ Jan 24 2004, 09:15 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Why are the vets and pts so apprehensive about this? Maybe they don't feel as important anymore <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    It's not that we won't feel as important, but consider most of us really enjoy this game, most of us would hate it to see NS lose it's repuation over something like this.
  • MrMojoMrMojo Join Date: 2002-11-25 Member: 9882Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--BigBull+Jan 24 2004, 09:15 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BigBull @ Jan 24 2004, 09:15 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Thats why its BETA <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    The average player base ( which we want to expand) won't know that, or care.
  • BigBullBigBull Join Date: 2003-04-02 Member: 15123Members
    Well dont start pointing fingers and already bringing a bad vide before 3.0 is actually released.

    no matter what people are gonna complain, its there loss. You can either tell them, or yell or just be upset about it,

    Whining is gonna be there no matter what. Just suck it up and play <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
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