remiremedy [blu.knight]Join Date: 2003-11-18Member: 23112Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester
genius, pure genius. -.-'
The point is we are giving suggestions. I am not saying they MUST do what i say, I even said they are free to disregard everything I said. I was merely throwing my thoughts into the ring, to make them think and to try to make sure that this pack is the best it can be.
If I could help, I would. But I have no clue how to model or skin, and so the best help I can give is merely my mind.
If this topic is locked that would be horrible. Please stop fighting about things. Let the pack just go the way its going right now, it's already very nice.
no more fighting what i meant was ya you guys can give suggestions but if some one from the "team" says other wise its probably out <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Ahhh christ. Look - Natural Selection is not Mario - the same goes for the opposite.
Being such, <i>there will be no Mario reference that will be a perfect match for anything in the Natural selection Universe</i>; artistic license has been used IN ORDER to get rid of that problem.
So just take a step back, chill, and let the people who are working on such a fine set of models do what they do best.
remiremedy [blu.knight]Join Date: 2003-11-18Member: 23112Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester
<!--QuoteBegin-Invader Scoot+May 11 2004, 07:04 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Invader Scoot @ May 11 2004, 07:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If this topic is locked that would be horrible. Please stop fighting about things. Let the pack just go the way its going right now, it's already very nice. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I was thinking the same thing... I don't think they would lock it... I mean it's 43 pages long! I at least think they would give us a warning before actually locking it.
Now on to the replying...
Dubbilex, just because they are different games, and there may not be a perfect match, I still think they should try to fit to the theme of the thing... Unless you are talking about the koopas walking on walls arguement...
Yes, they have artistic licsence(sp)... and seeing as they are artists, I suggested they make modifications based on the superscope and light pistol for the other weapons to help keep a theme going with the guns.
A gamecube GL and a vaccum just don't seem to fit with a superscope and light pistol.
Anyways, actual progress report: did the acidrocket, compiled it, tested it. It works. I've got an IG screenie (the rocked was compiled additive because it's a magic spell type doodad). And btw... theres over 120K epolies in that screenie. The whole tanith hallway was filled with elec tfacs, ccs and a chunk was filled with seiges.
<!--QuoteBegin-Dorian Gray+May 11 2004, 08:44 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Dorian Gray @ May 11 2004, 08:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> And btw... theres over 120K epolies in that screenie. The whole tanith hallway was filled with elec tfacs, ccs and a chunk was filled with seiges. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo--> what was your fps? did hl crash?
Why do the tfs and stuff even matter? But oh well, I guess that's a pretty good acid rocket replacement, even though I would like an egg a little more.
Sorry bout earlier just didn't want any more fighting <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> Anyway I would like a decision made by the whole team if possible (and I am sure many people would too) on everything ,but since CoolCookieCooks is the guy who came up with it then we should wait for his response to this things and anyway we should do a poll on who think what for the models and (of course) pick the models most voted for as the Models for the Pack. But since it is not my pack I am merely suggesting.
FPS was 33 as opposed to the usual 100. And HL was fine <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->. And as for the choice of model, this one goes with magikoopa.
cool acid rocket model. anyways heres a bullet bill for whatever use. ill probably make the shooter thing hollow and add a bullet thing sticking out later.
[edit] sry for rude remark back there, ehh lets just forget that ever happened.
[edit2] there was another bulletbill out there which was a box and a hand throwing bullets, but that didnt work considering those were for underwater
eww, thats so disgusting =(, plz keep your inappropiate thoughts to yourself =)
[edit] anything i could do to make it better, in terms of modeling it.
[edit2] back view of it, don't know whether which side of the launcher is hollow so i didnt make it hollow yet. if someone can tell me which side to make hollow or confirm with me that the thing is not even hollow, that would be great.
<!--QuoteBegin-zwing+May 12 2004, 01:14 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (zwing @ May 12 2004, 01:14 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> top view <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> stop this pron, zwing, eww!
Aww just kidding <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Well, both sides r supposed to be hollow, straight through, since the bullets can come out from both sides <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
The tip of bullet bills are shorter than the one you modelled. Try making it shorter and making the straight section of the bullet longer. Right now, it looks more like a real bullet rather than a bullet bill.
Also, as Cookie said, you should mess around with the smoothing groups in your model. Right now, it looks like the whole model is set to one smoothing group.
The thing about "renders" from Ms3d is that you cant actually see how the model really looks like with details etc and thats why you need 3dsmax to render.
EDIT: Also the models from the "renders" from ms3d looks ugly because they aint really rendered but its a good tool to model.
remiremedy [blu.knight]Join Date: 2003-11-18Member: 23112Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester
edited May 2004
<!--QuoteBegin-zwing+May 12 2004, 01:01 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (zwing @ May 12 2004, 01:01 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> eww, thats so disgusting =(, plz keep your inappropiate thoughts to yourself =)
[edit] anything i could do to make it better, in terms of modeling it.
[edit2] back view of it, don't know whether which side of the launcher is hollow so i didnt make it hollow yet. if someone can tell me which side to make hollow or confirm with me that the thing is not even hollow, that would be great. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> You should connect the two legs of the bullet bill launcher thing.
in game that part looks way solider then how your model appears, and i tend to think that the legs are connected.
(just add ina box right below where after where it slants out a bit and gets larger, the flat part)
edit: In fact, right where the plane is would be a great place for the top of the box, and about exactly where I mean.
remiremedy [blu.knight]Join Date: 2003-11-18Member: 23112Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester
<!--QuoteBegin-Dorian Gray+May 11 2004, 08:44 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Dorian Gray @ May 11 2004, 08:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Anyways, actual progress report: did the acidrocket, compiled it, tested it. It works. I've got an IG screenie (the rocked was compiled additive because it's a magic spell type doodad). And btw... theres over 120K epolies in that screenie. The whole tanith hallway was filled with elec tfacs, ccs and a chunk was filled with seiges.
<img src='http://dorian.carpe-noctem.ca/mario/acidrocket.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> <img src='http://dorian.carpe-noctem.ca/mario/acidrocket2.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Do bile bomb and acid rocket still use the same model?
And isn't majikoopa's magic thing supposed to have the shapes overlapping and spinning?
And if you're a fade, can you tell the shape of the stuff, or does it just look like a couple lines due to the angle?
Not that it really matters, but the bullet is supposed to have arms, just fyi <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I think the bullet bill and launcher look nice to me. Who cares if it doesn't have arms, because you don't even see the siege shooting a bullet out anyway.
Actually.. the bullet bills firing out of the cannon could be made to be part of the firing animations. They could come out of the cannon really fast and dissapear somewhere along the firing line.
<!--QuoteBegin-6john6doe6+May 11 2004, 03:11 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (6john6doe6 @ May 11 2004, 03:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-CoolCookieCooks+May 11 2004, 01:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CoolCookieCooks @ May 11 2004, 01:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Advance King+May 11 2004, 03:56 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Advance King @ May 11 2004, 03:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> A Koopa wouldnt make a good Skulk. Koopsa cant walk up walls etc. To get a good Charector for the part, use Buzzy Beetle. It walks on the ceiling, and trys to fall on marios head all the time. Its perfect.
images.google.com/images?q=tbn:QYhVis0DVkUJ:somefolder.undonet.com/art/01/bbeetle.gif <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> ever seen buzzy beetle leap? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> ever seen a koopa walk on the ceiling? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Nope, and ... well ... nope!
But did you ever see either bunnyhop across a long hallway and maul Mario to death, disembowel him, and use his flesh as experience and resources? ... NO! That's why we're here.
Yes, BB and AR use the same model (magical gorges too i guess). And yes, that thing should spin, but the AR model doesn't have a sequence (unless you can animate the idle sequence, in which case I will).
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The point is we are giving suggestions. I am not saying they MUST do what i say, I even said they are free to disregard everything I said. I was merely throwing my thoughts into the ring, to make them think and to try to make sure that this pack is the best it can be.
If I could help, I would. But I have no clue how to model or skin, and so the best help I can give is merely my mind.
So you sit down and shut up, why don't ya?
what i meant was ya you guys can give suggestions but if some one from the "team" says other wise its probably out <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->
NO MORE FIGHTING AFTER THIS
Being such, <i>there will be no Mario reference that will be a perfect match for anything in the Natural selection Universe</i>; artistic license has been used IN ORDER to get rid of that problem.
So just take a step back, chill, and let the people who are working on such a fine set of models do what they do best.
I was thinking the same thing... I don't think they would lock it... I mean it's 43 pages long!
I at least think they would give us a warning before actually locking it.
Now on to the replying...
Dubbilex, just because they are different games, and there may not be a perfect match, I still think they should try to fit to the theme of the thing... Unless you are talking about the koopas walking on walls arguement...
Yes, they have artistic licsence(sp)... and seeing as they are artists, I suggested they make modifications based on the superscope and light pistol for the other weapons to help keep a theme going with the guns.
A gamecube GL and a vaccum just don't seem to fit with a superscope and light pistol.
<img src='http://dorian.carpe-noctem.ca/mario/acidrocket.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
<img src='http://dorian.carpe-noctem.ca/mario/acidrocket2.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
<!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo--> what was your fps? did hl crash?
Anyway I would like a decision made by the whole team if possible (and I am sure many people would too) on everything ,but since CoolCookieCooks is the guy who came up with it then we should wait for his response to this things and anyway we should do a poll on who think what for the models and (of course) pick the models most voted for as the Models for the Pack. But since it is not my pack I am merely suggesting.
Sorry sudden Outburst... 0 ) ( <----- that = the Garg Smiling)
[edit]
sry for rude remark back there, ehh lets just forget that ever happened.
[edit2]
there was another bulletbill out there which was a box and a hand throwing bullets, but that didnt work considering those were for underwater
[edit] anything i could do to make it better, in terms of modeling it.
[edit2] back view of it, don't know whether which side of the launcher is hollow so i didnt make it hollow yet. if someone can tell me which side to make hollow or confirm with me that the thing is not even hollow, that would be great.
stop this pron, zwing, eww!
Aww just kidding <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Well, both sides r supposed to be hollow, straight through, since the bullets can come out from both sides <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Also, as Cookie said, you should mess around with the smoothing groups in your model. Right now, it looks like the whole model is set to one smoothing group.
EDIT: Also the models from the "renders" from ms3d looks ugly because they aint really rendered but its a good tool to model.
[edit] anything i could do to make it better, in terms of modeling it.
[edit2] back view of it, don't know whether which side of the launcher is hollow so i didnt make it hollow yet. if someone can tell me which side to make hollow or confirm with me that the thing is not even hollow, that would be great. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You should connect the two legs of the bullet bill launcher thing.
in game that part looks way solider then how your model appears, and i tend to think that the legs are connected.
(just add ina box right below where after where it slants out a bit and gets larger, the flat part)
edit: In fact, right where the plane is would be a great place for the top of the box, and about exactly where I mean.
<img src='http://dorian.carpe-noctem.ca/mario/acidrocket.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
<img src='http://dorian.carpe-noctem.ca/mario/acidrocket2.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Do bile bomb and acid rocket still use the same model?
And isn't majikoopa's magic thing supposed to have the shapes overlapping and spinning?
And if you're a fade, can you tell the shape of the stuff, or does it just look like a couple lines due to the angle?
images.google.com/images?q=tbn:QYhVis0DVkUJ:somefolder.undonet.com/art/01/bbeetle.gif <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
ever seen buzzy beetle leap? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
ever seen a koopa walk on the ceiling? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Nope, and ... well ... nope!
But did you ever see either bunnyhop across a long hallway and maul Mario to death, disembowel him, and use his flesh as experience and resources? ... NO! That's why we're here.