<!--QuoteBegin-shanks+Apr 30 2004, 11:20 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (shanks @ Apr 30 2004, 11:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->...It took me until 2.0 to figure out what bhopping was and how to actually do it...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->...I have known about bunnyhopping just before 2.0, and I still can't find anything that tells me a good way to do it. So I'm stuck as an alien, going normal speed, using the stock abilities to get the job done...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
heh. in reply to the second quote; bunnyhopping really isn't the be-all-end-all of this game - I've seen plenty of players who can't bunnyhop for smeg but still dominate most games as alien.
lets have a quick look shall we: (results taken from www.google.com - search for "bunnyhopping tutorial")
hmm. taking a total of about 30 seconds (including time taken to copy+paste the links into here + check the pages briefly to see what they were), i managed to find 3 bunnyhop tutorials on the first page of google results...
how is it you claim that you "still can't find anything that tells me how to do it"...................
[nb - i have no idea if the tutorials are any good or not - didn't bother reading them - just that they are infact bhop tutorials. there is average of 100+ people in NS chan, about 50% of which can bhop (at a VERY rough estimate of numbers) - most of them would probably try to explain it if you bothered to ask] [nb2 - there are infact some amazingly good tutorials out there for bunnyhopping - i've seen a fair when looking to save me time of explaining to some one...] <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> These toturials are for quake..
Turret farming, in 1.0, before taking down the farm deactivated the turrets..
As far as bunnyhopping goes, Why do people whine about it so much? Because its hard? Becasue they can't do it? Because they would rather whine then ask somone to help them with it?
I have been bunnyhopping since TFC 1.5, its fun. Learn how to do it and you might have some fun too. Why should Flayra take an extra level of mastery out of the game because you are to lazy to learn it? Bunny hopping isn't just something you script then rule the game at. Here is what I have been doing since TFC
The reason you have two -jump's in there is because if you don't some times it messes up and locks jump up from being usable.
Unbind mwheel down, or make it something uncritical. I myself have it invlast. If you keep it invprev then it will mess you up, alot.
Now, practice this. Run forward an jump, let go of forward in mid air and scroll up on your mousewheel before you hit the ground. If you did it right you should still be going forward. continue pressing mwheelup before you land. This is the basic to bunnyhopping, by doing this you will limit your decelloration.
Now comes the bunnyhopping. It is important to not be holding forward after then initial jump. While in air, hold moveleft and move your mouse left(look left). You should be about 25 to 35 degrees from center, 45 is acceptable but far to disorenting. Before you land do as you did before and press the mousewheel up, causing you to jump. While in the air again hold right arrow and move your mouse right (look right) and once again hit mousewheel up before you land. now repeat. You don't have to alternate between left and right, but that will keep you going strait. Some people do donuts to get acceleration, left, left, right, right. Or if you need to turn say left you go left, left, right. Remember to use ramps to your advantage. You can easily get above 100% speed in your first jump on a ramp.
Normally I would tell you to change your FOV to help BHing, but NS doesn't support FOV changes. Also due to NS being different, as a skulk you must hold down the crouch key or you will stick to the walls and objects. Some people think only skulks need to be able to BH. I actually find it most usefull as gorge.
A good alternitive to BHing is strafe jumping. It doesn't get you near the ammount of speed, but it is a boost. Basicly you BH but you keep pressing forward instead of releasing it after the initial jump.
Another way to boost speed is Wall strafing. I am not sure if it actually works in this game, but the walls don't seem to be sticky like in other games. Basicly run up against a wall and hold moveleft if the wall is to your left, or right if to your right. As a skulk I am betting you have to hold crouch while you do this so you don't stick to the wall.
I am defiantly going to miss BHing in HL2. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Bob the Alien+May 1 2004, 10:58 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Bob the Alien @ May 1 2004, 10:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> As far as bunnyhopping goes, Why do people whine about it so much? Because its hard? Becasue they can't do it? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> 3 reasons:
1. Most people that can do it use scripts or mwheel binds which only work for some mince, i.e. there is already an inherent block in the system to stop some people from being able to BH well.
2. It looks retarded. Very, very retarded.
3. It's totally undocumented and bunnyhopping makes skulk balance tricky because it gives such a big speed boost.
<!--QuoteBegin-version91x+Apr 30 2004, 11:16 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (version91x @ Apr 30 2004, 11:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->BUT it is flarya's game and its his 'pet' so we have to live with it. DAMN YOU FLAYRA D:<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> ......erm...is he allowed to say that?
i kid of course.
The most stupid thing in NS has to be people who whine about something, but don't offer any suggestions on how to fix it / make it better.
1. Most people that can do it use scripts or mwheel binds which only work for some mince, i.e. there is already an inherent block in the system to stop some people from being able to BH well.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You have +attack bound to mouse1, cheater. Man all those cheaters using mouse one instead of enter. I still use the numpad! <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
As far as scripts go, BHing with a script sounds about as usless as conc jumping in TFC with one. Do you have any idea how poorly a script would BH? If you made the script BH for you, it would be over complicated to the point manually doing it would be better.
Yes, you do have to have a mouse with a wheel. You have to have a mic to communicate and command decently. You have to have a good video card to play decently. A big moniter would also help alot. Those new 5.1 Stereo headphones would help probably more then a mousewheel and bunny hopping ever would.
Actually now that I think about it, The bind I posted wold work PEFRECTLY fine with Space bar. I just tried it myself.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> 2. It looks retarded. Very, very retarded. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The reason Flayra made marines unable to do it. Aliens on the other hand are supposed to look, well alien. I believe that was the reasoning back from pre 1.0. Yes, also because Aliens where meant to be there for the Deathmatchers who where very good at BHing allready. Marines on the other hand where meant for team players. I allways thought it looked awsome anyways.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> 3. It's totally undocumented and bunnyhopping makes skulk balance tricky because it gives such a big speed boost.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
CrouchJumping is undocumented, but vital.
The game is being balanced for BH. You know what is even harder to balance, an FPRTS. I say we get rid of commander mode completely.
Once again, BHing makes you FAR from invincible. Do you have anyidea how hard it is to be able to fight and BH? Anyone who can has some superiour hand eye cordination, not to mention tracking. Most people who rape with BH would probably be just as good without.
This is a very good example of two different people. Those who can't do something, and instead of learning how to do it call it unfair, and those who can't do something and relize they have the abbility to do it too. Instead of learning how they blame it for everything that goes wrong, "if only that person didn't BH right now I would be winning!" "That kill was so unfair, no way He would of got me without BHing."
I could write paragraph after paragraph of arguments to why BHing is fine and never convince some people, and they could write paragraphs back and never convince me. I could go on rationalizing this all day. So I am just going to leave it at this. If anyone tells me on a pub that BHing is lame, fine, it will not do any good. Ban me, fine I probably would not want to play on a server with that kind of person anyways. If anyone asks me on a pub how to BH, I will help them to the best of my abbility.
Well, the most stupid thing I have ever done, was when I still was a noob. I played NS for like 2 weeks and just started out. Anyways, I went gorge and saved for the hive right away when the game started. <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::gorge::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/pudgy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='pudgy.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-.OrganoX.+May 1 2004, 07:03 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (.OrganoX. @ May 1 2004, 07:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Well, the most stupid thing I have ever done, was when I still was a noob. I played NS for like 2 weeks and just started out. Anyways, I went gorge and saved for the hive right away when the game started. <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::gorge::--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/pudgy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='pudgy.gif' /><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> That's the dumbest thing you've ever done? I have to say you're smarter than most of us then <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> . Sure it wasn't smart, but after playing for only 2 weeks you decided you would save for hive? That's something most n00bs wouldn't do imo.
<!--QuoteBegin-.OrganoX.+May 1 2004, 09:03 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (.OrganoX. @ May 1 2004, 09:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Well, the most stupid thing I have ever done, was when I still was a noob. I played NS for like 2 weeks and just started out. Anyways, I went gorge and saved for the hive right away when the game started. <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::gorge::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/pudgy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='pudgy.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> When did you start playing? On release that was a pretty easily pulled off strategy. Not to mention having 2 hives meant Fades with acid rockets. In early builds you could only go fade with two hives, and early enough it was a game winner.
<!--QuoteBegin-[SiD]Squishy+May 1 2004, 08:30 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ([SiD]Squishy @ May 1 2004, 08:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Most pubbers and just about all of admins. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Elitist trash.
Not really Rennex its pretty true. Over 50 percent of pubbers have no idea how to play the game this isn't to say to say people who've only pubbed can't be good but only that most of them aren't. It's mearly and observation. As for the admins they are generally the same skill level except that they can ban people randomly for "hacking".
<!--QuoteBegin-5kyh16h91+May 1 2004, 07:15 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (5kyh16h91 @ May 1 2004, 07:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-.OrganoX.+May 1 2004, 07:03 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (.OrganoX. @ May 1 2004, 07:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Well, the most stupid thing I have ever done, was when I still was a noob. I played NS for like 2 weeks and just started out. Anyways, I went gorge and saved for the hive right away when the game started. <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::gorge::--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/pudgy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='pudgy.gif' /><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> That's the dumbest thing you've ever done? I have to say you're smarter than most of us then <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> . Sure it wasn't smart, but after playing for only 2 weeks you decided you would save for hive? That's something most n00bs wouldn't do imo. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> your my hero now....
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> As far as scripts go, BHing with a script sounds about as usless as ... Do you have any idea how poorly a script would BH? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The script itself doesn't bhop, it tripple jumps or double jumps as your script does, cheater.
It is so much more easier to hold down space and tripple jump than have to time the jump perfectly, it allows for the perfect bhop.
As for your TFC background, NS is nothing like TFC, even though things fall out of the sky and there are aliens, it tends to be realistic. Explain how a certain jumping technique would speed up your movement, please do, i have the olympic track and field association on the line.
Marines can still bhop, just they are limited to 1 per 1.x seconds. With a good bhopper he can bhop backwards while shooting aliens, pretty much exploiting the backwards walking speed limit.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->CrouchJumping is undocumented, but vital. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> It is documented in the half-life manual.. the game that NS is modded from.
Also there are 3 kinds of people, not 2. -those who cant do it and call it unfair. -those who can do it and call it fair. -those who can do it and call it unfair.
i personally can bhop perfectly with and without scrips but i choose not to because it is satan himself. go away now.
Stupidest thing ive done... well i still do this, is hide in the vents when the hives died. I'd block off all the entrances into it, with Ocs then I'd put Dcs everywhere. It was fun hearing the rines outside with them welding and building seiges. Longest ive lasted was about 30 minutes hiding. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-JEBUS+May 1 2004, 09:12 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (JEBUS @ May 1 2004, 09:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Stupidest thing ive done... well i still do this, is hide in the vents when the hives died. I'd block off all the entrances into it, with Ocs then I'd put Dcs everywhere. It was fun hearing the rines outside with them welding and building seiges. Longest ive lasted was about 30 minutes hiding. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> How fun, How original. People who do that just waste other peoples' gaming time.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The script itself doesn't bhop, it tripple jumps or double jumps as your script does, cheater.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Its a script? I seem to be missing the the exec or alias... Unless you are calling all binds scripts, which technicaly they are.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->As for your TFC background, NS is nothing like TFC, even though things fall out of the sky and there are aliens, it tends to be realistic. Explain how a certain jumping technique would speed up your movement, please do, i have the olympic track and field association on the line.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes, please refer to my NS background. Thanks.
As far as relism goes, I rember a little thing when the game was still in design. I beleive it was "Fun>Realism". Aliens don't even have multi damage zones! The damage levels in this game are rediculous for a realistic game.
As far as me explaining how a jump technique speeds up your movment. You see these aliens do weird stuff. They eat people, they can change into different species within seconds, they can shoot crap, they can climb on walls, they can cloak, they can even see through walls. Yes, they can jump a special way to go faster. Flayra specifically said He left it in for aliens because it seemed right.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Marines can still bhop, just they are limited to 1 per 1.x seconds. With a good bhopper he can bhop backwards while shooting aliens, pretty much exploiting the backwards walking speed limit. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I will let you argue that, but how does that make alien bhopping an exploit?
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->i personally can bhop perfectly with and without scrips but i choose not to because it is satan himself. go away now.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Cool, now why did you bother learning it if you equate it to witch craft? As for me going away, no thank you. I was here first.
"script blocking" blcoks the use of ;, so yes, technically it is a script.
"Fun>Realism" yes ok, but it RUINS the fun when a noobie is getting attacked by superfast skulks and he doesn't know why they move so fast.
the aliens themselves are not weird, their movement is quite logical - that is except for bunnyhopping - they can jump quite high, yes sure why not, they can leap when they learn how to with 2 hives, they can walk, they can charge, all characteristic of animals. however there aren't many animals that i know of that can bunnyhop. there is no logic behind the skulk being able to move faster by jumping from side to side.
<span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'>Maybe alien bunnyhopping works like the way ppl on skis go down a hill back and forth. :o Except for more speed instead of less. Think about how your center of gravity shifts when you rollerskate. Left, right, left, right, push push push, speedy.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->"script blocking" blcoks the use of ;, so yes, technically it is a script.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
First of all, technically any bind is a script, so please get past the "Technically" stuff. I don't consider it scripting. You do. In my opinion its not a script with out an exec, but I am sensible enough to realize we both have our own definitions and arguing over them is completely pointless. I don't even see a problem with scripting anyways, every league I have been in allowed it unless it was an exploit (something that was clearly not supposed to be in the game, unlike bunnyhopping in this situation, like being invisable to sentrys by adjusting your cl_lookup)
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->"Fun>Realism" yes ok, but it RUINS the fun when a noobie is getting attacked by superfast skulks and he doesn't know why they move so fast.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If it ruins the game for them to get beat by an obviously higher skilled player, I would hope they leave instead of whinning about it. I would rather have the kind of people playing this game that would ask for help instead of throwing a fit. What makes this any different then a super skilled at blinking Fade blinking in to kill them then blink out? Oh right, blinking is easy to learn. God forbid we have something hard to master in a usually instant gratification platform (FPS). I also believe this was one of Flayras long term goal, and the reason I love NS. To have things in the game that where hard to master.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->the aliens themselves are not weird, their movement is quite logical - that is except for bunnyhopping - they can jump quite high, yes sure why not, they can leap when they learn how to with 2 hives, they can walk, they can charge, all characteristic of animals. however there aren't many animals that i know of that can bunnyhop. there is no logic behind the skulk being able to move faster by jumping from side to side. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes, because walking on smoothe surfaces upside down with claws and blinking through the air(from 1.0 mostly, but still applicable now) make perfect sense in the real world. Oh and so do movement chambers. I mean I touch a mushroom in real life all the time and get transported half way across the map. you know what else makes sense? Those phase gates and infantry portals. I mean we totally can do that right now, I havn't driven my cars in months thanks to TSA inc.!!!
I know I said I was going to leave it at before, but your first response seemed like an attack.
<!--QuoteBegin-Align+May 2 2004, 03:44 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Align @ May 2 2004, 03:44 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Technically, a bind is a bind, and a script is multiple binds on the same key. Exec or Alias aren't needed to make it a script. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I really have no problems with custom binds. 99% of my keymap is custom, anyway, as I'm sure most everbody else's is. Tilde to B is bound (Like, draw a rectangle around them), as well as all the Fkeys, and the entire numpad. Sure, I could get away with WASD, use, reload, lastinv, showmap, fire, slot1-5 and popupmenu, but it wouldn't be as fun that way. For me, at least.
Jumping up and down at the exit to base with a yellow icon over my head saying "hay, two people, follow me" with the marine saying "Follow Me.." helps the nubcaeks as much as possible. Which is a good thing™.
I even have most impulses (at least for the alien side) aliased out. Like, instead of impulse x, it's "gorge" or "fade" or "Celerity" or "Regeneration" or whatever.
<!--QuoteBegin-Align+May 2 2004, 05:44 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Align @ May 2 2004, 05:44 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Technically, a bind is a bind, and a script is multiple binds on the same key. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Oh, so its a script when you put multiple actions on one key, but when a developer does it and gives it a neat hardcoded alias its not. Got ya.
Hell, the entire game is a script technically running in an ever repeated loop untill certain conditions are met. I bet those evil **** at valve even used an if, then, else statment somewhere in there.
<!--QuoteBegin-Align+May 2 2004, 5:33 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Align @ May 2 2004, 5:33 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Exec or Alias aren't needed to make it a script. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Now this part of your post was trying to clump everything I said together out of context. No They are not needed to make a script as I allready stated that. Stop changing what I said. On a technical level all binds are script, get off the technical level I could care less about it.
I don't appericiate stunts like that.
Now, on a non technical level, I have a different opinion of what a script is as my previous post said. I also said it is usless to debate on definitions from the non technical level as everyone from different communites will have different opinions.
Besides there isn't anything wrong with using scripts if you don't change how the game is played.
I used to use a toggle script because I played with the arrow keys. Yes an evil, hacking, cheating, evil toggle scrip! I could press Ins and switch between slot1 and slot2! Oh and even worst, <b>I used a comm script once because I didn't have a mic</b>. After I realized how evil it was I got that **** off my computer as fast as possible. I mean what kind of sick **** would would get a comm script to make up for not having a mic, or a multi jump script because he <b>didn't have a mouse with a wheel.</b>
The only reason I am still posting at this point is so new players will get correct information. Very few people will actualy aknowledge they are wrong in an argument, probably the same people who don't whine about bunnyhopping. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
And lastly, why the hell are we talking about scripts? I hate it when somone can't counter a point so they try and find a irrelivent weakness, or what they perceive as one, to distract themselves from whats really going on. I could of said "And Elephants are blue" at the end of my post and be debating how they are really grey right now. Next somone is going to find a gramical error in my post and tell me how I should of gone through high school or some bull.
even though your 'everyday adventures with my friend mr script' stories are entertaining, they are still scripts. ie can be blocked with that variable that stops scripts.
and on that note i stop reading. have fun in natural-selection-hell cheater <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-version91x+May 2 2004, 07:23 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (version91x @ May 2 2004, 07:23 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> even though your 'everyday adventures with my friend mr script' stories are entertaining, they are still scripts. ie can be blocked with that variable that stops scripts.
and on that note i stop reading. have fun in natural-selection-hell cheater <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Anything but a CO map, PLEASE!
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<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->...I have known about bunnyhopping just before 2.0, and I still can't find anything that tells me a good way to do it. So I'm stuck as an alien, going normal speed, using the stock abilities to get the job done...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
heh. in reply to the second quote; bunnyhopping really isn't the be-all-end-all of this game - I've seen plenty of players who can't bunnyhop for smeg but still dominate most games as alien.
lets have a quick look shall we: (results taken from www.google.com - search for "bunnyhopping tutorial")
<a href='http://www.trickingq3.com/Tutorials/Strafing_Tutorial.html' target='_blank'>number one</a>
<a href='http://www.planetquake.com/rtr/tutes_q2_trick_strafejump.html' target='_blank'>number two</a>
<a href='http://www.planetfortress.com/tfdone_easy/tf/strategy/tactics_bunnyhop.html' target='_blank'>number three</a>
hmm. taking a total of about 30 seconds (including time taken to copy+paste the links into here + check the pages briefly to see what they were), i managed to find 3 bunnyhop tutorials on the first page of google results...
how is it you claim that you "still can't find anything that tells me how to do it"...................
[nb - i have no idea if the tutorials are any good or not - didn't bother reading them - just that they are infact bhop tutorials. there is average of 100+ people in NS chan, about 50% of which can bhop (at a VERY rough estimate of numbers) - most of them would probably try to explain it if you bothered to ask]
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These toturials are for quake..
As far as bunnyhopping goes, Why do people whine about it so much? Because its hard? Becasue they can't do it? Because they would rather whine then ask somone to help them with it?
I have been bunnyhopping since TFC 1.5, its fun. Learn how to do it and you might have some fun too. Why should Flayra take an extra level of mastery out of the game because you are to lazy to learn it? Bunny hopping isn't just something you script then rule the game at. Here is what I have been doing since TFC
bind mwheelup "+jump;wait;-jump;wait;+jump;wait;-jump;-jump"
The reason you have two -jump's in there is because if you don't some times it messes up and locks jump up from being usable.
Unbind mwheel down, or make it something uncritical. I myself have it invlast. If you keep it invprev then it will mess you up, alot.
Now, practice this. Run forward an jump, let go of forward in mid air and scroll up on your mousewheel before you hit the ground. If you did it right you should still be going forward. continue pressing mwheelup before you land. This is the basic to bunnyhopping, by doing this you will limit your decelloration.
Now comes the bunnyhopping. It is important to not be holding forward after then initial jump. While in air, hold moveleft and move your mouse left(look left). You should be about 25 to 35 degrees from center, 45 is acceptable but far to disorenting. Before you land do as you did before and press the mousewheel up, causing you to jump. While in the air again hold right arrow and move your mouse right (look right) and once again hit mousewheel up before you land. now repeat. You don't have to alternate between left and right, but that will keep you going strait. Some people do donuts to get acceleration, left, left, right, right. Or if you need to turn say left you go left, left, right. Remember to use ramps to your advantage. You can easily get above 100% speed in your first jump on a ramp.
Normally I would tell you to change your FOV to help BHing, but NS doesn't support FOV changes. Also due to NS being different, as a skulk you must hold down the crouch key or you will stick to the walls and objects. Some people think only skulks need to be able to BH. I actually find it most usefull as gorge.
A good alternitive to BHing is strafe jumping. It doesn't get you near the ammount of speed, but it is a boost. Basicly you BH but you keep pressing forward instead of releasing it after the initial jump.
Another way to boost speed is Wall strafing. I am not sure if it actually works in this game, but the walls don't seem to be sticky like in other games. Basicly run up against a wall and hold moveleft if the wall is to your left, or right if to your right. As a skulk I am betting you have to hold crouch while you do this so you don't stick to the wall.
I am defiantly going to miss BHing in HL2. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
3 reasons:
1. Most people that can do it use scripts or mwheel binds which only work for some mince, i.e. there is already an inherent block in the system to stop some people from being able to BH well.
2. It looks retarded. Very, very retarded.
3. It's totally undocumented and bunnyhopping makes skulk balance tricky because it gives such a big speed boost.
......erm...is he allowed to say that?
i kid of course.
The most stupid thing in NS has to be people who whine about something, but don't offer any suggestions on how to fix it / make it better.
1. Most people that can do it use scripts or mwheel binds which only work for some mince, i.e. there is already an inherent block in the system to stop some people from being able to BH well.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You have +attack bound to mouse1, cheater. Man all those cheaters using mouse one instead of enter. I still use the numpad! <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
As far as scripts go, BHing with a script sounds about as usless as conc jumping in TFC with one. Do you have any idea how poorly a script would BH? If you made the script BH for you, it would be over complicated to the point manually doing it would be better.
Yes, you do have to have a mouse with a wheel. You have to have a mic to communicate and command decently. You have to have a good video card to play decently. A big moniter would also help alot. Those new 5.1 Stereo headphones would help probably more then a mousewheel and bunny hopping ever would.
Actually now that I think about it, The bind I posted wold work PEFRECTLY fine with Space bar. I just tried it myself.
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2. It looks retarded. Very, very retarded.
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The reason Flayra made marines unable to do it. Aliens on the other hand are supposed to look, well alien. I believe that was the reasoning back from pre 1.0. Yes, also because Aliens where meant to be there for the Deathmatchers who where very good at BHing allready. Marines on the other hand where meant for team players. I allways thought it looked awsome anyways.
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3. It's totally undocumented and bunnyhopping makes skulk balance tricky because it gives such a big speed boost.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
CrouchJumping is undocumented, but vital.
The game is being balanced for BH. You know what is even harder to balance, an FPRTS. I say we get rid of commander mode completely.
Once again, BHing makes you FAR from invincible. Do you have anyidea how hard it is to be able to fight and BH? Anyone who can has some superiour hand eye cordination, not to mention tracking. Most people who rape with BH would probably be just as good without.
This is a very good example of two different people. Those who can't do something, and instead of learning how to do it call it unfair, and those who can't do something and relize they have the abbility to do it too. Instead of learning how they blame it for everything that goes wrong, "if only that person didn't BH right now I would be winning!" "That kill was so unfair, no way He would of got me without BHing."
I could write paragraph after paragraph of arguments to why BHing is fine and never convince some people, and they could write paragraphs back and never convince me. I could go on rationalizing this all day. So I am just going to leave it at this. If anyone tells me on a pub that BHing is lame, fine, it will not do any good. Ban me, fine I probably would not want to play on a server with that kind of person anyways. If anyone asks me on a pub how to BH, I will help them to the best of my abbility.
That's the dumbest thing you've ever done? I have to say you're smarter than most of us then <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> . Sure it wasn't smart, but after playing for only 2 weeks you decided you would save for hive? That's something most n00bs wouldn't do imo.
When did you start playing? On release that was a pretty easily pulled off strategy. Not to mention having 2 hives meant Fades with acid rockets. In early builds you could only go fade with two hives, and early enough it was a game winner.
Elitist trash.
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That's the dumbest thing you've ever done? I have to say you're smarter than most of us then <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> . Sure it wasn't smart, but after playing for only 2 weeks you decided you would save for hive? That's something most n00bs wouldn't do imo. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
your my hero now....
As far as scripts go, BHing with a script sounds about as usless as ... Do you have any idea how poorly a script would BH? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The script itself doesn't bhop, it tripple jumps or double jumps as your script does, cheater.
It is so much more easier to hold down space and tripple jump than have to time the jump perfectly, it allows for the perfect bhop.
As for your TFC background, NS is nothing like TFC, even though things fall out of the sky and there are aliens, it tends to be realistic. Explain how a certain jumping technique would speed up your movement, please do, i have the olympic track and field association on the line.
Marines can still bhop, just they are limited to 1 per 1.x seconds. With a good bhopper he can bhop backwards while shooting aliens, pretty much exploiting the backwards walking speed limit.
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Also there are 3 kinds of people, not 2.
-those who cant do it and call it unfair.
-those who can do it and call it fair.
-those who can do it and call it unfair.
i personally can bhop perfectly with and without scrips but i choose not to because it is satan himself. go away now.
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maybe not worthless but still pretty crappy
How fun, How original. People who do that just waste other peoples' gaming time.
Its a script? I seem to be missing the the exec or alias... Unless you are calling all binds scripts, which technicaly they are.
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Yes, please refer to my NS background. Thanks.
As far as relism goes, I rember a little thing when the game was still in design. I beleive it was "Fun>Realism". Aliens don't even have multi damage zones! The damage levels in this game are rediculous for a realistic game.
As far as me explaining how a jump technique speeds up your movment. You see these aliens do weird stuff. They eat people, they can change into different species within seconds, they can shoot crap, they can climb on walls, they can cloak, they can even see through walls. Yes, they can jump a special way to go faster. Flayra specifically said He left it in for aliens because it seemed right.
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Marines can still bhop, just they are limited to 1 per 1.x seconds. With a good bhopper he can bhop backwards while shooting aliens, pretty much exploiting the backwards walking speed limit.
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I will let you argue that, but how does that make alien bhopping an exploit?
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Cool, now why did you bother learning it if you equate it to witch craft? As for me going away, no thank you. I was here first.
"Fun>Realism"
yes ok, but it RUINS the fun when a noobie is getting attacked by superfast skulks and he doesn't know why they move so fast.
the aliens themselves are not weird, their movement is quite logical - that is except for bunnyhopping - they can jump quite high, yes sure why not, they can leap when they learn how to with 2 hives, they can walk, they can charge, all characteristic of animals. however there aren't many animals that i know of that can bunnyhop. there is no logic behind the skulk being able to move faster by jumping from side to side.
I DONT KNOW PHYSICS BE QUIET. :[ </span>
First of all, technically any bind is a script, so please get past the "Technically" stuff. I don't consider it scripting. You do. In my opinion its not a script with out an exec, but I am sensible enough to realize we both have our own definitions and arguing over them is completely pointless. I don't even see a problem with scripting anyways, every league I have been in allowed it unless it was an exploit (something that was clearly not supposed to be in the game, unlike bunnyhopping in this situation, like being invisable to sentrys by adjusting your cl_lookup)
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yes ok, but it RUINS the fun when a noobie is getting attacked by superfast skulks and he doesn't know why they move so fast.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If it ruins the game for them to get beat by an obviously higher skilled player, I would hope they leave instead of whinning about it. I would rather have the kind of people playing this game that would ask for help instead of throwing a fit. What makes this any different then a super skilled at blinking Fade blinking in to kill them then blink out? Oh right, blinking is easy to learn. God forbid we have something hard to master in a usually instant gratification platform (FPS). I also believe this was one of Flayras long term goal, and the reason I love NS. To have things in the game that where hard to master.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->the aliens themselves are not weird, their movement is quite logical - that is except for bunnyhopping - they can jump quite high, yes sure why not, they can leap when they learn how to with 2 hives, they can walk, they can charge, all characteristic of animals. however there aren't many animals that i know of that can bunnyhop. there is no logic behind the skulk being able to move faster by jumping from side to side.
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Yes, because walking on smoothe surfaces upside down with claws and blinking through the air(from 1.0 mostly, but still applicable now) make perfect sense in the real world. Oh and so do movement chambers. I mean I touch a mushroom in real life all the time and get transported half way across the map. you know what else makes sense? Those phase gates and infantry portals. I mean we totally can do that right now, I havn't driven my cars in months thanks to TSA inc.!!!
I know I said I was going to leave it at before, but your first response seemed like an attack.
I really have no problems with custom binds. 99% of my keymap is custom, anyway, as I'm sure most everbody else's is. Tilde to B is bound (Like, draw a rectangle around them), as well as all the Fkeys, and the entire numpad. Sure, I could get away with WASD, use, reload, lastinv, showmap, fire, slot1-5 and popupmenu, but it wouldn't be as fun that way. For me, at least.
Jumping up and down at the exit to base with a yellow icon over my head saying "hay, two people, follow me" with the marine saying "Follow Me.." helps the nubcaeks as much as possible. Which is a good thing™.
I even have most impulses (at least for the alien side) aliased out. Like, instead of impulse x, it's "gorge" or "fade" or "Celerity" or "Regeneration" or whatever.
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Oh, so its a script when you put multiple actions on one key, but when a developer does it and gives it a neat hardcoded alias its not. Got ya.
Hell, the entire game is a script technically running in an ever repeated loop untill certain conditions are met. I bet those evil **** at valve even used an if, then, else statment somewhere in there.
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Exec or Alias aren't needed to make it a script.
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Now this part of your post was trying to clump everything I said together out of context. No They are not needed to make a script as I allready stated that. Stop changing what I said. On a technical level all binds are script, get off the technical level I could care less about it.
I don't appericiate stunts like that.
Now, on a non technical level, I have a different opinion of what a script is as my previous post said. I also said it is usless to debate on definitions from the non technical level as everyone from different communites will have different opinions.
Besides there isn't anything wrong with using scripts if you don't change how the game is played.
I used to use a toggle script because I played with the arrow keys. Yes an evil, hacking, cheating, evil toggle scrip! I could press Ins and switch between slot1 and slot2! Oh and even worst, <b>I used a comm script once because I didn't have a mic</b>. After I realized how evil it was I got that **** off my computer as fast as possible. I mean what kind of sick **** would would get a comm script to make up for not having a mic, or a multi jump script because he <b>didn't have a mouse with a wheel.</b>
The only reason I am still posting at this point is so new players will get correct information. Very few people will actualy aknowledge they are wrong in an argument, probably the same people who don't whine about bunnyhopping. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
And lastly, why the hell are we talking about scripts? I hate it when somone can't counter a point so they try and find a irrelivent weakness, or what they perceive as one, to distract themselves from whats really going on. I could of said "And Elephants are blue" at the end of my post and be debating how they are really grey right now. Next somone is going to find a gramical error in my post and tell me how I should of gone through high school or some bull.
and on that note i stop reading. have fun in natural-selection-hell cheater <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
and on that note i stop reading. have fun in natural-selection-hell cheater <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Anything but a CO map, PLEASE!