Can A Marine Win Against Fade?

PorkStarPorkStar Join Date: 2004-05-28 Member: 28964Members
<div class="IPBDescription">1 vs 1 i mean</div> Marine with shotty vs Basic Fade

I find my self in this place often i find it very difficult to kill a fade with a shotty. I do get very clean shots on the fade but with its blink/metabolize it seems as though it cannot i be done...funny thing is i have gotten more pistol fade kills than shotty fade kills
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  • BOBDololBOBDolol Join Date: 2003-10-04 Member: 21431Members
    it's possible

    but usually it doesn't happen
  • ekentekent Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7801Members
    It takes luck, or mistakes on the fade's part. Also the marine needs to use every oppurtunity his environment provides. It is way easier to kill a fade if you have a buddy along, and even more so if the buddy has a different weapon. HMGs are lethal enough by themselves and if you get a shotgun with it the fade will either die instantly in battle or stay just outside range so you can do whatever you want. The lmg will substitute in a pinch, esp with weapon upgrades. It seems over 50% of the fade kills I see are while the fade is fleeing, and gets lmg'd or pistoled in the back at distance, which isn't really possible with the shotty.
  • ApocalypseApocalypse Join Date: 2003-12-23 Member: 24700Members
    You really have to trick the fade. A single lmg + pistol with somewhat decent accuracy will severly damage a fade, so if you manage to get a shotgun blast in as the fade is hammering your teammate, you can easily kill the fade. However, I find that the deciding factor is usually the comm. If he drops meds, it can really throw off the fade.
  • h4x_baseballh4x_baseball Join Date: 2004-05-27 Member: 28959Banned
    Is lvl3 weapons present? If so then yes.
  • jamespsxjamespsx Join Date: 2003-10-16 Member: 21708Members
    edited May 2004
    iv done it a few times, but u need A LOT of space like canyon_warz map or seomthing like that... lvl 3 hmg and gud tracking ability are needed

    fades can own u in small tight corridors, but if u are whacking them hard and ur buddy is blocking the exit, then he will be owned so fast its rofl-able

    edit: plus the word teamwork comes into mind... y take on a fade without someone else for fade to kill? (teamwork for some ppl means someone else for aliens to kill)
  • SaltzBadSaltzBad Join Date: 2004-02-23 Member: 26833Members
    Meh, depends how bad a decision the Fade is willing to make, and how many meds you get.
  • ShesekShesek Join Date: 2003-06-22 Member: 17617Members
    one vs one is pretty tough for a marine, and the marine would win only if the fade is too stupid not to blink away when his armor is getting low
    though the more marines and fades there are, the bigger the chance the marines will win (for example 6 shotgunners/hmgers against 6 fades) since it's much easier for marines to focus fire on one fade, and quickly finish him off than for fades to focus fire on a marine
  • ekentekent Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7801Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Apocalypse+May 27 2004, 09:23 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Apocalypse @ May 27 2004, 09:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You really have to trick the fade. A single lmg + pistol with somewhat decent accuracy will severly damage a fade, so if you manage to get a shotgun blast in as the fade is hammering your teammate, you can easily kill the fade. However, I find that the deciding factor is usually the comm. If he drops meds, it can really throw off the fade. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Even so, if a fade sees meds he should make the decision to back off. It's really up to him whether he hands you the oppurtunity to kill him or not.

    A well oiled marine team can always make a fade useless, by putting themselves in a dominant position, damaging the fade enough that he has to back off, then moving forward to another dominant position, but to kill him? I think that's the fade's decision. I guess I mean I haven't seen any tricks that aren't blatantly obvious to an alien's point of view (one that's looking for them, anyway).
  • e_Nadagaste_Nadagast Join Date: 2003-10-30 Member: 22149Members
    A well oiled marine team can make a lone fade useless but a well oiled alien team can make a marine team useless as well <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> (If they have fades heh)
  • ANdreW1ANdreW1 Join Date: 2003-11-18 Member: 23125Members
    How does this sound? 8 on 8, aliens were traveling in a group with 3 onos, 2 lerks with umbra (normal NS) a gorge, a fade, and a skulk. I was the comm when they did that. They had lvl 2 weps and armor. No HA or JP. I beaconed them back alive since they got raped by the aliens when they tried to kill a hive with siege support. I gave them all HMGs. I went for another hive. The lerks got scared when they saw HMGs I guess, the onos didn't get umbra. ALL OF THE ALIENS DIED IN A ROW. They all fired at the first onos, died in 3 seconds and kept shooting since the 2nd was right behind, killed him. The third tried to runaway but died. The fade got frantic, ran away, ran into a stray marine that fell behind a bit and got killed. The lerks came back to no avail since they had no power. The skulk ran off somewhere. The gorge tried to build an MC to block shots, heh.
  • ShesekShesek Join Date: 2003-06-22 Member: 17617Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Hobojoe+May 28 2004, 03:34 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Hobojoe @ May 28 2004, 03:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> if he misses a blink you can <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    doh. if a terrorist breaks into the house of the player who plays the fade, and shoots him, then the marine will win aswell
    but i'm refering to realistic situations with decent players
    decent players don't miss blinks
  • ANdreW1ANdreW1 Join Date: 2003-11-18 Member: 23125Members
    edited May 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-Shesek+May 28 2004, 05:59 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Shesek @ May 28 2004, 05:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> doh. if a terrorist breaks into the house of the player who plays the fade, and shoots him, then the marine will win aswell <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    ahahah, thats great, but it can happen <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • Mr_ChuckletrousersMr_Chuckletrousers Join Date: 2004-05-20 Member: 28799Members
    I agree with jamespsx about the teamwork part. Once, while travelling in a pair, I managed to get 2 fade kills within a minute of each other with a shotgun. However, my partner who was walking with me got slashed up. The fades were competent players though, and their deaths would have set the alien team back pretty far.

    In another case, I also managed to pistol 2 fades in the back while they were fleeing.

    In both cases, I had at least lvl 1 weapons (it was a long time ago, can't remember). I think that a decent accuracy, combined with a little luck and teamwork will take down most fades. Also, a distracted fade is a dead fade.
  • ClashenClashen Join Date: 2003-08-22 Member: 20087Members
    If there is any door near you try to get infront of the door, strafe around the Fade and when he tries to escape just block the entrance and blast him to meatballs!
  • ekentekent Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7801Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-e.Nadagast+May 28 2004, 02:34 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (e.Nadagast @ May 28 2004, 02:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> A well oiled marine team can make a lone fade useless but a well oiled alien team can make a marine team useless as well <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> (If they have fades heh) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Ya that's what i was trying to get at.
  • MavericMaveric Join Date: 2002-08-07 Member: 1101Members
    Shotgun, Armor 1, and me getting the drop on him = winnar!
  • spetznatzspetznatz Join Date: 2003-11-11 Member: 22472Members
    I've taken a fade with lvl1/lvl1 and an lmg with 1 medpack, but I think it was the fact he knew I was so close to the end and didn't expect the well placed health boost that allowed me to finish him off with a second clip as he blinked away.

    As for with a shotgun, it's fairly possible with high levels and a bit of dodging... I'd say that 25% of all my encounters in this fashion end with them dead, which isn't terrible when you consider how much they cost vs how much you're worth.
  • MistenTHMistenTH Join Date: 2003-01-01 Member: 11706Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    edited May 2004
    There are some considerations, and now that I've played and countered fades for so long, they really are easy to beat.

    Terrain> In fact, tighter places are better for marines. Open places, ironically are good for fades and terrible for marines. Example: In co_kestrel, the MS is a big place. Fades can blink around freely. The most damaging weapons are shotgun and HMG, but they are pathetic at medium-long range. However, in a corridor, the same fade that massacres 5 marines in MS dies before killing 1 marine.

    Tight corridors also allow the blockage of exit points. However, in NS you never get those kinds of concentrated marines in normal rt capping - destroying mode, so that's when many marines lose the game. This leads to point #2...

    Team-presence (not -work...) > Give up on teamwork for a while. Sometimes it's just too hard or too quick for it to happen. But if there is at least 1 marine with you the following will ALWAYS happen. [1] 1 marine can get hit but the 2nd marine onwards is untouched. [2] 2 marines and above are shooting at the target.
    2 LMGs dish weak constant damage a fade can monitor and scram. 1 shotgun and 1 LMG can hurt a close in fade and the LMG takes it out while running and moving in. 2 shotguns can kill a fade so fast it isn't funny.

    Likewise, the best ways I've found to kill fades and even onos are in sieges. Camp outside a hive. You can siege the hive with impunity. Marines are at their best defending. Fades and onos throw themselves at marines to try and stop them. The massed marines, and with heavy weapons, own the fades and onos. Sentries or mines add extra, even over-kill firepower. Onos stomp can be evaded by being on a turret, TF, or just terrain. And this leads to 3rd point...

    Firepower> Let's get this straight. Res-costing heavy weapons are always > L3 LMGs. If you can get L3 Heavy weapons, the game's no challenge anyway. L3 LMGs hurt fades but don't kill them typically, whereas even L0 heavy weapons can kill a fade. Throw in 2 marines with L0 heavy weapons vs 2 marines with L3 LMG and the difference is there.

    But to your original question, the idea is to survive long enough to kill the fade. You survive either via meds or by dodging, or by having high armour (not HA... a fade seeing 1 HA will instinctively hit and fade to slowly wear a HA down. With a LA, fades usually try to get you in 1 run). A L3 LMG will never give you enough FP to kill a fade, unless you're assuming an impossible 100% hit-rate. Shotguns are kewl, but a fade should know to run when it's been hit twice by shotgunners. But sometimes I find myself chasing a marine for the last hit when he kills me, as I've taken 4 shotgun hits in a row but didn't realise it. That said, HMG is probably the most reliable. Fade moves in, you get some rounds off. It tries to chase you and it gets hit more times. It runs away, you get more rounds off. Chances are it will die.

    If the terrain is tight you can aim more easily, or rather you don't need to aim as much. In short, IMO for 1 marine vs 1 fade, best chance for win is L3 armour and HMG in a tight corridor or space.
  • RushakraRushakra Join Date: 2004-03-25 Member: 27523Members
    I have solo'd a Fade with level 0 weps / armor and an LMG.

    So, yes, it is possible for a lone Marine to kill a Fade. This is not always true and the likelihood of this happening against anything other than a complete n00b Fade who spends his time swiping at the wall is extremely slim.. but it is possible.
  • MintmanMintman Join Date: 2003-05-30 Member: 16866Members
    Only if you are a much better player than the fade.
  • ScottehScotteh Join Date: 2004-04-27 Member: 28251Members
    The key to killing a fade is knowing when they are weak, a blink in - swipe - blink out fade, is going to be a tough cookie 1 on 1 as there is very little you can do, marines being that slow they arent gonna get to reasonable cover.

    but a fade who likes to blink in - swipe a few times- blink out. is going to get a few shotty hits, fades armour (if you are a big fade player) is relativly low, its blink/meta that makes ppl think fades are god like. anyway back to the point, u get a few shotty shells in, say 3 maybe 4, u know the fade has **** all armour, now heres the key, works alot for me, spark out your knife, the fade comes in hoping to hit you being cocky shi1ts <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> quick switch to shotgun, get that vital shot in, fade gets scared. blinks out, but as hes blinking whip out the pistol, and due to nice laggy hitboxes, u will 9/10 times kill them round the corner they are blinking round.

    favourite spot to do this: waste handling nice open space, fade blinking to central access he has a much reduced chance 1 on 1 with a marine with semi-decent aim.
  • StewieStewie Join Date: 2003-08-03 Member: 18795Members
    With a bit of luck and some stupidity on your opponents side everything is possible ...

    I can't believe how many fades have trouble with a marine that ducks <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • NecrosisNecrosis The Loquacious Sage Join Date: 2003-08-03 Member: 18828Members, Constellation
    It all depends on the upgrades, number of hives on the alien side, medspam on the marine side, and player skill.

    Noob fades can be fairly efficiently shotgunned. Anything other than noob and you will very likely die. An expert fade player will be able to take out a 3/3 shotty LA with little to no effort.

    Thats sort of why the Fade is the premier assault unit in the Kharaa lineup. If it couldn't beat a single rine with no backup then it'd be a pretty crappy "higher evolution".
  • EpidemicEpidemic Dark Force Gorge Join Date: 2003-06-29 Member: 17781Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Rushakra+May 29 2004, 01:20 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Rushakra @ May 29 2004, 01:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I have solo'd a Fade with level 0 weps / armor and an LMG.

    So, yes, it is possible for a lone Marine to kill a Fade. This is not always true and the likelihood of this happening against anything other than a complete n00b Fade who spends his time swiping at the wall is extremely slim.. but it is possible. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Yeah, he probably lagged out..
  • Asal_The_UnforgivingAsal_The_Unforgiving Join Date: 2003-03-26 Member: 14903Members
    Give me lvl 3 guns, and I can do it. Unless the fade is high quality, as you see in some of the top clans. You just have to be one step ahead of him the whole time, and not give him the chance to run away. Don't empty your pistol until he tries to blink away, then put those 10 shots in his back. Most fades don't keep enough life to survive that when fighting only one marine. It's tricky, and mostly suicidal, but it works. Just be patient, jump, and occasionally duck away from those fade's attacks, and you'll eventually pull off a win.
  • WirheWirhe Join Date: 2003-06-22 Member: 17610Members
    1 v 1:

    If only one hive and at least lv2 weapons, yeah; it can be done with a bit of luck and crazy hopping -even if you have just a LMG. But with a sg, it's easy. The fade just needs to get stuck/blink to a wrong spot so you get a clear aim, BOOM says the granny-gun and down goes the fade.

    At two hives I would say it's very, very unlikely; even if the fade gets stuck. He has enough armor then to survive a few blasts and thus enough time to find a way out. If it is a open area, I'd say the marine is 99% dead. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • TranquilChaosTranquilChaos Join Date: 2003-07-25 Member: 18425Members
    Well-placed cat packs are amazing things.
  • RecoupRecoup Join Date: 2004-04-25 Member: 28195Members
    It happens for me! I almost always kick a fades **** with a shotty when its toe to toe!
  • taboofirestaboofires Join Date: 2002-11-24 Member: 9853Members
    You should only be able to solo a fade if he makes a mistake, and if you have enough equipment. The fade will have to suck to solo him with an lmg, regardless of upgrades, because you don't do damage fast enough to keep him from escaping.

    Here's the other part of the equation: why are you solo if you have a shotty/hmg? If you're playing NS, then you are a waste of res. If you're playing classic, you're just feeding the kharaa. You should never try to take anything solo.
  • e_Nadagaste_Nadagast Join Date: 2003-10-30 Member: 22149Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Necrosis+May 29 2004, 04:16 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Necrosis @ May 29 2004, 04:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> An expert fade player will be able to take out a 3/3 shotty LA with little to no effort. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo-->?? Not if the marine is an expert too... especially if the aliens only have 1 hive. Lots of clans don't even get a proto, they just use LA/Weapon to win.
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