New Hl2 Shots.

DOOManiac

Why can't we all just agree that both are awesome, but in different ways (which is good, cause variety = good)?

EEK

<!--QuoteBegin-Swiftspear+Aug 5 2004, 04:06 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Swiftspear @ Aug 5 2004, 04:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Isn't hl2's MPlayer limit 80? or was that just a hoax? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
o_O

Never heard that before. I had heard 32 from Valve...

Chrono

<!--QuoteBegin-DOOManiac+Aug 5 2004, 02:09 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DOOManiac @ Aug 5 2004, 02:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Why can't we all just agree that both are awesome, but in different ways (which is good, cause variety = good)? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
your right <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> my computer has enough hard drive space for both games and more <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->

Quaunaut

<!--QuoteBegin-EEK+Aug 5 2004, 02:09 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (EEK @ Aug 5 2004, 02:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Swiftspear+Aug 5 2004, 04:06 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Swiftspear @ Aug 5 2004, 04:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Isn't hl2's MPlayer limit 80? or was that just a hoax? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
o_O

Never heard that before. I had heard 32 from Valve... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I haven't heard that from VALVe, even when HL2 was first announced. I remember it being 64. Definately 64.

...my thing is, is think about those screenshots you showed EEK- how old was that? Back during E3 2003. Now sure, we were supposed to have the game by now, whatever, get the hell over it. But honestly, they weren't expecting you to go over there, so why should you care? What we should be paying mind to is the immersion, and especially the gameplay. Otherwise I don't see why anything else. HL1 even for its time wasn't good graphics, or nice architecture. But it was heralded as the best because it was FUN, had a pretty good story(though HL2s is gonna be much bigger), and its modability over time.

...thats why I wait for HL2. I may be more excited for D3 atm, but HL2 still has my attention.

BadKarma

Ok speaking of story. What Steven King book is HL2 supposedly based on?

Jim

<!--QuoteBegin-EEK+Aug 5 2004, 03:41 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (EEK @ Aug 5 2004, 03:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> 2) It has the potential to beat HL2 graphically in every way: There is nothing on HL2 that can't be done on doom 3. High poly models and fruity-colored aliens in both are simply design decisions. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Outdoor areas? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->

Swiftspear

<!--QuoteBegin-BadKarma+Aug 5 2004, 04:15 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BadKarma @ Aug 5 2004, 04:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Ok speaking of story. What Steven King book is HL2 supposedly based on? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Meh? I haven't heard anything about that...

kida

Noooooooo, this thread has gone the way of the dodo; whatever happened to the good ol' days of hl2 is going to roxorz!!@@#!@#!@#

Anyways people, I think it's best we reserve judgement until it comes out.

EEK

<!--QuoteBegin-Swiftspear+Aug 5 2004, 04:19 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Swiftspear @ Aug 5 2004, 04:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-BadKarma+Aug 5 2004, 04:15 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BadKarma @ Aug 5 2004, 04:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Ok speaking of story. What Steven King book is HL2 supposedly based on? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Meh? I haven't heard anything about that... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Wouldn't necessarially be a good thing XD Look at how many Stephen King books have become movies... ugh..

Luukas

Does anyone know if HL2 uses per-poly hit detection, or the now somewhat ancient hitboxes?

That aside, D3 has one problem as an MP platform - id stated it basically requires a broadband connection. Not sure if anyone has tried it with a dial up connection, though.

Wirhe

I'm certain HL2 will have at least a stub of story, unlike Doom3. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->

Looks quite smooth. Now we only need a bazooka to shoot down that helicopter. Someone photoshop that picture a bit. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->

dr_d

<!--QuoteBegin-EEK+Aug 5 2004, 04:46 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (EEK @ Aug 5 2004, 04:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Swiftspear+Aug 5 2004, 04:19 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Swiftspear @ Aug 5 2004, 04:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-BadKarma+Aug 5 2004, 04:15 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BadKarma @ Aug 5 2004, 04:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Ok speaking of story. What Steven King book is HL2 supposedly based on? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Meh? I haven't heard anything about that... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Wouldn't necessarially be a good thing XD Look at how many Stephen King books have become movies... ugh.. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yah like Dreamcatcher. Which starts off with you saying "Wow this is going to be so cool" and ends with you saying "What the hell was that."

Considering King has written what 45 thousand books, I'm sure he's covered every idea concievable by man.

BadKarma

Secret Window was quite good, he wrote that.

MedHead

<!--QuoteBegin-Luukas+Aug 5 2004, 04:47 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Luukas @ Aug 5 2004, 04:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> That aside, D3 has one problem as an MP platform - id stated it basically requires a broadband connection. Not sure if anyone has tried it with a dial up connection, though. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<a href='http://steampowered.com/index.php?area=getsteamnow' target='_blank'>http://steampowered.com/index.php?area=getsteamnow</a>
<b>Broadband Internet connection (recommended but not required)</b>

<a href='http://www.ebgames.com/ebx/product/223988.asp#Specifications' target='_blank'>http://www.ebgames.com/ebx/product/223988.asp#Specifications</a>
<b>Internet play requires broadband connection and latest drivers</b>

Just presenting the differences from both games.

Daza4

Last time I checked HL:2 wasnt about the best graphics around, it was made for mod compatibility and to be able to be run on low end machines, unlike doom3 where you need a pretty damn good computer to run it. Farcry the same, I couldn't even play the demo due to the lag. Now eek be quiet doom 3 looks like plastic. Too much effects and shaders. They went over the top, don't like HL2 dont buy it then.

TychoCelchuuu

Actually Doom 3 can be run well at the minimu requirements, unlike other games where they are unplayable at that level.

TommyVercetti

Meh...

I prefer the look of Doom 3, but it does have some flaws. They both do. Guess I'll have to wait for Unreal 3 if I want photorealism.

Chrono

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doom 3 looks like plastic because of the specular affect its way over done everything is way too shiny

Kouji_San

I think we can all agree on this one -->

hl2 != Doom3 <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->

And I like games so I'm getting them both, I can download hl2 from steam due to me cdkey which came with my 9800XT... I'm just not all excited about the steam download system <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->

Sid

We're all forgetting something here.

In Doom 3, half the AI you see is scripted, like enemies using cover, or Imps dropping from the ceiling. It's all triggers.

Now, what I have read, heard, and seen from various sources of HL2 - it's AI is much more advanced. Less scripting and triggers will probably be used.

TommyVercetti

Even though its graphics aren't as good as the others, the game I'm REALLY looking forward to is STALKER, especially because HL2's story is looking so lame.

Daza4

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Looking? None of the story has been released. All the e3 demos were MADE for demos, minus 2004. As for HL2 A.I I'm telling you now, it is extremely real. Hardly anything is scripted.

BizZy_9mm_Messiah

Can't believe you people have the nerve to criticize BOTH of these masterpieces after all the hard work that was(Doom 3) and is being(Hl2) put into it.

Testament

<!--QuoteBegin-Daza400+Aug 5 2004, 11:24 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Daza400 @ Aug 5 2004, 11:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-TommyVercetti+Aug 6 2004, 09:12 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TommyVercetti @ Aug 6 2004, 09:12 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Even though its graphics aren't as good as the others, the game I'm REALLY looking forward to is STALKER, especially because HL2's story is looking so lame. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Looking? None of the story has been released. All the e3 demos were MADE for demos, minus 2004. As for HL2 A.I I'm telling you now, it is extremely real. Hardly anything is scripted. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Except for the most of things they showed at e3. Like kicking the door open and such.

MedHead

<!--QuoteBegin-Daza400+Aug 5 2004, 06:24 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Daza400 @ Aug 5 2004, 06:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Looking? None of the story has been released. All the e3 demos were MADE for demos, minus 2004. As for HL2 A.I I'm telling you now, it is extremely real. Hardly anything is scripted. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
None of the story has been released?!
<a href='http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0761543627/102-7754782-8447319?v=glance' target='_blank'>http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detai...447319?v=glance</a>

Dynamic AI sounds interesting, but I'm still uncertain if it'll work well. The AI in the original was partially dynamic (I remember being impressed), but it still wasn't that smart. I hope Valve does it right, but I remain skeptical.

Starchy

Meh.

<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->As for HL2 A.I I'm telling you now, it is extremely real. Hardly anything is scripted.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

I've said it before and i'll say it again, bull****.

Daza4

<!--QuoteBegin-Starchy+Aug 6 2004, 10:46 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Starchy @ Aug 6 2004, 10:46 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Meh.

<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->As for HL2 A.I I'm telling you now, it is extremely real. Hardly anything is scripted.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

I've said it before and i'll say it again, bull****. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Really? Even in the leaked beta (Which I removed with in 24 hours) the a.i was the best. For example in the E3 2004 video, the crain. THe Combine literally RUN AWAY from the container when your moving it around. They jump out of the way from the buggy etc. Its really quite amazing.

EEK

People jumped out of the way of cars in GTA1 too...


Your AI arguments are rediculous. You claim something like an Imp falling out of the ceiling is scripted, and compare it to a soldier throwing a grenade back in combat. Think about it: The game engine doesn't MAKE mobs randomly pop out of places. It didn't in Doom 3 and 100% guarenteed it won't in HL2. You're not going to play through HL2 and find three striders in one location because you didn't kill one in level 12. It doesn't work that way.

A combine soldier taking you away for interrogation is scripted. A hell knight smashing out a wall and punching you in the face is scripted. A combine soldier getting killed and falling over the railing like in the E3 demo is scripted (You might not believe it but it is - real ragdolls do NOT behave like that. I guarentee you that if you were on the same platform with the soldier and crowbarred him to death he'd still fall over the edge). An imp teleporting in is scripted.

A combine soldier dropping a grenade on your head because he can't get a clear line of fire ISN'T scripted. An Imp diving out of the way of a stream of gunfire isn't scripted.

The 'AI' in the E3 demo was scripted - the 'wiggling door' and kicking it in. If that was faked, I don't see much reason to still cling to an idea that valve would never lie to us. I can say now that you'll never see that behavior in-game that isn't scripted. If a game company can make an AI that would evaluate the situation, identify the hostiles, determine cover, and act appropriately, they've single handedly blown the entire AI development field open.

I guarentee you that while the AI might not be 100% scripted, it utilizes waypoints and pathnodes.

The AI in call of duty took cover just like the grunts in HL did. The funny thing? The same guys would always take cover behind the same objects. It was scripted with simple waypoints.

To say that HL2 isn't scripted is idiocy. The AI might be good, but so was the AI in Far Cry. So far I haven't seen any behavior in HL2 to suggest that the AI is anything more then a scripted sham, considering valve had to LIE ABOUT THE AI to market the game at E3.

Zig

i would be impressed by these, but STALKER keeps virtually f*ing me so sweetly.. i prefer STALKER <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo-->

EEK

<!--QuoteBegin-Zig+Aug 5 2004, 08:04 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zig @ Aug 5 2004, 08:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> i would be impressed by these, but STALKER keeps virtually f*ing me so sweetly.. i prefer STALKER <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Same. Doom 3 has its own charm in atmosphere, STALKER is photorealistic orgy. Like I said a while back, HL2 looks cartoony. I'd say it's sorta a mix of the two.


What is the latest word on STALKER anyway?