Question About Self Defence
<div class="IPBDescription">of which...</div> 1) Stun baton
2) Stun gun
3) Pepper spray
4) Knife
5) Gun
6) Martial arts
Supose that a possible killer were to confront you in said scenario pertaining to any situation, of which do you think would be the most useful?
Any input would be nice.
2) Stun gun
3) Pepper spray
4) Knife
5) Gun
6) Martial arts
Supose that a possible killer were to confront you in said scenario pertaining to any situation, of which do you think would be the most useful?
Any input would be nice.
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2) probably best choice
3)again not very long range
4)killer can easily get it from you and use it on you
5)same as 4
6)if all else fails this he cant take away from you
a gun if you know how to use it is very effective, if you don't then it is worthless
pepper spray is next to worthless against a truly determined assault
stun baton/gun/airtazer are all of the same level of efficency once contact is made (aka they will knock the sucker out). A Baton is easier to conect with then a contact stun gun, an air tazer gives you range.
Knife is worthless unless you know how to use it
Martial Arts are only usefull if the person is coming at you with a melee weapon.
If some one is intent on killing you I suggest run like a mofo
cuss remember:
Scared As Heck Runs Faster Then Mad As Hell.
AND WHY THE HECK DO YOU WANT TO KNOW?
You gots your self a stalker?
you try and go for self defense (especialy if you are ASKING US!) your gona get squishied.
2) Stun gun
3) Pepper spray
4) Knife
5) Gun
6) Martial arts
Supose that a possible killer were to confront you in said scenario pertaining to any situation, of which do you think would be the most useful?
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Where do you live?
Depending on where you live, everyone of those you listed are either illegal to non law enforcment personel or you need a concealed carry permit.
Also depending on the characteristics of what types of knives you carry and for what specific purpose you are carrying it for, they too can be illegal.
Id go with martial arts.
It takes A LOT of time, money, practice and dedication but unlike the others,
you can take it anywhere.
1) Stun baton---Illegal and big to carry
2) Stun gun---- Also illegal in many places and hard to conceal.
3) Pepper spray---- Illegal in several places, or restricted to certain types, also note that when you spray an attacker you WILL feel the affects of it as well. Trust me I know from on several occasions when I or someone I have assisted as had to spray someone.
4) Knife-- Be very careful of what you carry and its "legal" purpose for carrying it. Also "How and Where" you carry it is also very important.
5) Gun-- Know how to use it first of all, be 21 yrs of age (if u live in US) many states make you qualify with it just like law enforcment personel if you want to carry it with you. If you you do have a carry permit know the limits of where you can carry it. Many cities have non carry laws etc. Unless you have training in how to defesivly shoot avoid this.
6) Martial arts See what i said earlier.
In anycase never fight unless you have ABSOLUTLY NO OTHER CHOICE, or else you can find yourself in just as much trouble as the guy you shoot, spray, stun etc.
If you do opt for peppersray/mace, or stun weapon see if there are any defensive classes that will let you use it yourself. Especially pepper spray, Like I said earlier, it is VERY easy to get blasted with it your self, from the splatter, wind etc when you use it.
What ever you carry (short of gun/knife obviously) you should at least expirience it for yourself. Trust me Pepper spray (even the weakest % concentration) hurts big time
Oh yea, NEVER EVER get into a knife fight if you can avoid it, VERY DANGEROUS, and if the guy u are fighting sticks around, thats usualy a big indicator he has some expiriene which is more than you wil most likley have.
Get away if you are confronted to a public area or yell and make a big scene to attract peoples attention. Fighting back is really asking for more trouble though.
EDIT: cleared up some things.
Have you ever come into contact with him before?
Ever been in a conflcit with him before? Have you done something to him?
Has he threatened you before? etc
talk to your family,
If you really do think it is that serious by all mean call the police and at least explain the situation and talk to somoene for advice/input. Its their job lol.
it is good for the body mind and soul
pluss it gives you an advantage in any situation.
2) Stun gun
3) Pepper spray
4) Knife
5) Gun
6) Martial arts
Supose that a possible killer were to confront you in said scenario pertaining to any situation, of which do you think would be the most useful?
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Where do you live?
Depending on where you live, everyone of those you listed are either illegal to non law enforcment personel or you need a concealed carry permit.
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i live in LA all of that is legal <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
The thing is I don't do narcotics and the only times where I have met up with this so to speak stalker I am talking about is when I tag along with my friend. Most of the times when my friend is doing his business I try to remain placid and laid-back. Keep in mind though, don't think of me as your typical stereotyped person you would see in this situation. Well the thing is that my friend's neighborhood dealer got ripped and beat up by this guy over certain substances and since he was my friend's trusted dealer, my friend thought it be nice to go over to chat with this guy. What turned out to be a normal conversation had the so called stalker go all out on my friend. I came in and tried to stop things, and when he was about to pull out a knife to my friend's throat, I took his arm and pushed him away, and my friend who is much bigger than I am then beat the crap out of him. I have seen him around my area at nighttime every once in a while, which would be once or more every week since it happened (a month and a half ago). I would assume he got the information on my whereabout from another guy I know. Anyways, I'm in a tight situation if you know what I mean, and around here there are certain aspects of loyalty people keep, especially with your friends, but if this is getting way out of hand I might have to act accordingly. I just wanted to see if anyone here was knowledgeable on the law and what forms of self defence I could easily acquire. The thing is I don't want to do an act where it could lead to a requital of my own dentriment.
Personally, having taken a few years of martial arts training... I'd say that for an in-close fight, the knife would be best to have. It's ****ing HARD to get a knife away from someone without getting slashed or stabbed, if they know what they're doing. Forget the crappy movies you've watched. In a knife fight, one person is going to the emergency room, the other is going to the morgue.
Mid to long range, a gun is probably a better bet. In close, a gun is nearly worthless. Only one part of a gun can really hurt you, and if you know how to be somewhere else, or direct it somewhere else, you're golden. Obviously you want to prevent a conflict from happening at all, but of those listed, the gun is probably the worst close-range weapon of the bunch.
Er, excepting maybe the stun gun. Those things are bloody worthless.
For personal defense, I can't help but love a three-foot dowel. It's incredibly useful, far more concealable than a full staff, and fully legal to conceal and carry.
If you don't know anything about aikido, you should read up on it - it's apparently the one undefeatable method of self-defense. If you don't beleive me, just read up on it.
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Get an ASP. They are portable and they do alot of damage, great for dogs and just all round beating things.
But your best defense is a good old firearm.
and if you do get a firearm, I recommend the Springfield Armory XD in .40 s&w.
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Personally, having taken a few years of martial arts training... I'd say that for an in-close fight, the knife would be best to have. It's ****ing HARD to get a knife away from someone without getting slashed or stabbed, if they know what they're doing. Forget the crappy movies you've watched. In a knife fight, one person is going to the emergency room, the other is going to the morgue.
Mid to long range, a gun is probably a better bet. In close, a gun is nearly worthless. Only one part of a gun can really hurt you, and if you know how to be somewhere else, or direct it somewhere else, you're golden. Obviously you want to prevent a conflict from happening at all, but of those listed, the gun is probably the worst close-range weapon of the bunch.
Er, excepting maybe the stun gun. Those things are bloody worthless.
For personal defense, I can't help but love a three-foot dowel. It's incredibly useful, far more concealable than a full staff, and fully legal to conceal and carry. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I disagree, you can learn to use a pistol in close proximity as long as you know what your doing.
If you don't know anything about aikido, you should read up on it - it's apparently the one undefeatable method of self-defense. If you don't beleive me, just read up on it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
/me points at the gun
nothing is unbeatable, simple enugh, everything has a counter.
If you don't know anything about aikido, you should read up on it - it's apparently the one undefeatable method of self-defense. If you don't beleive me, just read up on it. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
/me points at the gun
nothing is unbeatable, simple enugh, everything has a counter. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
"My dad once catch a bullet with his bare hand!"
If you don't know anything about aikido, you should read up on it - it's apparently the one undefeatable method of self-defense. If you don't beleive me, just read up on it. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
/me points at the gun
nothing is unbeatable, simple enugh, everything has a counter. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well, considering that a thug isn't going to be holding you up from more than a foot or three away...(because he still needs to grab the wallet/purse/whatever)
Put it this way: I can guarantee you that someone well-trained in aikido could disarm someone standing in front of them without breaking a sweat. It's really much easier than you think - and is only helped by the fact that not even a thug really wants to shoot you.
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*points sniper rifle from 300 yards away and yells and dubbilex to drop his wallet and run in the exact oposite direction*
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and arent most random assaults performed by a crazy person or a crackhead?
Also, stupid muggers (with a gun) will get within arm's reach. Intelligent ones will stay about twenty or thirty feet away, and tell you to drop your wallet and walk away, and not to look back. Prevents powderburns, reduces the risk of a mark fighting back successfully.
Remark still stands, I prefer a three-foot dowel to either, where close combat is concerned. Don't have to kill, but it just as deadly if it has to be. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
If you don't know anything about aikido, you should read up on it - it's apparently the one undefeatable method of self-defense. If you don't beleive me, just read up on it. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
/me points at the gun
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Well, considering that a thug isn't going to be holding you up from more than a foot or three away...(because he still needs to grab the wallet/purse/whatever)
Put it this way: I can guarantee you that someone well-trained in aikido could disarm someone standing in front of them without breaking a sweat. It's really much easier than you think - and is only helped by the fact that not even a thug really wants to shoot you. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
and If I am properly trained in sometihng else I can disable the akido person before I can break a sweat.
nothing in unbeatable, everything has a counter.
If you want a MA form that is as close to unbeatable as is possible:
Jeet Kune Do (JKD)
simply put:
Take what works,
reject what does not,
and add what is specificly your own.
However even JKD is not unbeatable, because some one elses style could trounce mine.
Oh, and I wasn't refering to a mugging, I was refering to a guy with a gun, who wants you DEE EE DEE DEAD! (hehe <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->)
Edit:
*grabs Kali stick sitting in bedroom corner*
yup, thats about 3 feet, here yah go Tale. (god I love those)
hmmm, if you are trained in stick fighting, you might find this group interesting (compleatly off topic, but I like the guys I have met from here <a href='http://www.dogbrothers.com/' target='_blank'>Dog Brothers</a>, they are sorta nuts though. Trained under a few though, was un <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->)
Anyways, on a more realistic note, I think you should inform the proper authorities. Unless you cannot afford to incriminate your friend.
if that was sarcasm it was OVERLY subtle <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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that's why you carry a gun AND a knife, like Solid Snake. <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo-->
but in all seriousness, they have classes for firearm handling too, specifically combat handgunning in this case. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> "martial art" does not mean "hand-to-hand".
<!--QuoteBegin-UnderDOG+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (UnderDOG)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->If the guy really wants to hurt you (and it sounds like under these conditions he might) peper spray wont help. To use it, you have to be withen 3 feet, and at that close, he can just lunge at you, even if sparyed and then hold/punch you. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
my Sgt. is an MP in the US Marines.. at the Recruiting Station, on his desk, he keeps a military-grade (what other grade would it be in the military? ^^) bottle of pepper-spray.. the range is in the <b>yards</b> (not feet), and he says it's QUITE high volume, more of a really strong squirt than a spray. it also has a dye marker that lasts for a few days. this would be the best kind to get ^___^
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Knives suck for self-defense though. Lots of people expect it to be like the movies where the target just stands their wide eyed and you get to stab him in the soft belly. With all the bones in the human body and the tendency to use arms for defense, thats doesn't happen unless you surprise them though. Not to mention, as you said, a knife on knife fight doesn't have much in the way of a winner if its not a really, really quick decision.
Uh okay, drifted off topic. What I actually wanted to say :
No matter what anyone says, <b>don't carry a gun</b>. Its too much hassle for too little use. All the permit issues, having to find a good spot to conceal it and carry it with you at most times (which can be pretty annoying), and the fact that most people show them around sooner or later which just leads to trouble. Then comes the extensive and expensive training required to wield one effectively, and although I'm not sure how applicable it is with todays firearms : Operating one frequently isn't terribly healthy either.
In bang for your buck, you're probably best off the way Talesin suggested - with either a blunt weapon, or any type of hand-to-hand training (including endurance training to run away or last in a prolonged encounter).
Now, just to be practical for a moment. An old hobo is stalking you? As long as you're not more fragile than a stick in the wind, the few things you remember about fighting as a kid should work fine. Knock the air out of him in any way and/or hit the ****. Avoid hitting bones like the face (!), you'll injure yourself more than you do him.
2) Stun gun
3) Pepper spray
4) Knife
5) Gun
6) Martial arts
Supose that a possible killer were to confront you in said scenario pertaining to any situation, of which do you think would be the most useful?
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You have a serious problem if you are consulting people on the internet.
I'd suggest talking to local law enforcement, or some authority. Following the advice on this forum can potentially get you killed.
If this is a joke you are sick ****.
If not, this is THE wrong place to ask for advice.
2) Stun gun - restricted weapon
3) Pepper spray - People are immune to this
4) Knife
5) Gun
6) Martial arts
Places that have restrictions on stun guns -
Hawaii
Massachusetts
Michigan
New Jersey
New York
Rhode Island
Wisconsin
Annapolis, MD
Baltimore, MD
Baltimore County, MD
Chicago, IL
Denison, IA / Crawford County
District Of Columbia
Philadelphia
And after that, pretty much every developed country.
Knifes are also fraught with legalities, as are guns, and then you need a permit for both of these as concealed weapons.
Finally, you've to consider whether or not you would actually strike said person with a gun or knife. Both stand a good chance of killing or crippling, making most civilized people unwilling to USE them. And this happens to trained soldiers, so don't delude yourself into thinking you'll actually shoot him. Knife fights tend to revolve around two people running at each other and cutting until one person falls down. Its not pretty. If you've a gun, you've more chance of shooting in the air as a warning or using it to threaten... which in most cases only serves to freak out whoever you're threatening.
Additionally, if it comes out in court that you bought said weapons with the express purpose of harming this individual then you will not be looked on favourably. And yes that IS the angle prosecutors would go for.
Martial arts is a grey area. You need to practice, and practice HARD, to be any good at REAL self defence. In which case you probably want to go for a martial art like Krav maga, which relies on training you to counter realworld situations.
So at the end of it I'd consider paying a visit to your local law enforcement agency, and talking it out like a mature adult with them. They'll be able to best advise you. After that, try and find a decent Krav maga group and train with them in order to build your selfconfidence so you don't feel as easily threatened about people following you.