The NSGuide training sessions are going to be starting in the next week or so, I will show you how to bhop without scripts. Its probably easier doing it manualy than using a script ^^
<!--QuoteBegin-titanium+Sep 4 2004, 09:45 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (titanium @ Sep 4 2004, 09:45 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-NGE+Sep 4 2004, 07:56 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NGE @ Sep 4 2004, 07:56 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The timeing gets and feels much different when you're bhopping at 17 fps. Try it without +3jumps or mwheel. Tell me how much fun you're having.
Maybe if I were some rich **** who could afford a computer than gets 10000 fps, then yes, I wouldn't have any problems at all with this, but right now all it does is even the playing field. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> regardless of what your computer is right now for at most $100 you could upgrade it enough that you'd get constant 60+ fps in NS
stop crying and get a job <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> 60 isn't enough, typically you want 90+ to bhop without scripts.
And the tough thing about computers is that I have a life outside of them. I just spent 2000 bucks on band related stuff. Mind telling me where I should come up with the other 1000 for a nice, good computer? Hate to break it to you, buddy, but my 6 year old dell is as upgraded as it's going to get. It takes time, and scripts help me compete against things beyond my control. A fast fps means a lot of better things in NS. Scripts enable me to preform consistantly, not better.
<!--QuoteBegin-NGE+Sep 4 2004, 10:55 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NGE @ Sep 4 2004, 10:55 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-titanium+Sep 4 2004, 09:45 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (titanium @ Sep 4 2004, 09:45 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-NGE+Sep 4 2004, 07:56 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NGE @ Sep 4 2004, 07:56 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The timeing gets and feels much different when you're bhopping at 17 fps. Try it without +3jumps or mwheel. Tell me how much fun you're having.
Maybe if I were some rich **** who could afford a computer than gets 10000 fps, then yes, I wouldn't have any problems at all with this, but right now all it does is even the playing field. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> regardless of what your computer is right now for at most $100 you could upgrade it enough that you'd get constant 60+ fps in NS
stop crying and get a job <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> 60 isn't enough, typically you want 90+ to bhop without scripts.
And the tough thing about computers is that I have a life outside of them. I just spent 2000 bucks on band related stuff. Mind telling me where I should come up with the other 1000 for a nice, good computer? Hate to break it to you, buddy, but my 6 year old dell is as upgraded as it's going to get. It takes time, and scripts help me compete against things beyond my control. A fast fps means a lot of better things in NS. Scripts enable me to preform consistantly, not better. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> If your so busy with life, why bother playing silly games? Really now.
No one forces you to play NS, if your not enjoying it because of a crap system, you dont need to play it.
As for "lets make it so people can only play with keyboards", thats a quite stupid. If something can be overly abused, it will be disabled or at least give server admins the option of disabling it or not.
Bleh.... likening the banning of scripts to the banning of the mouse... there is a difference between passing your input into the game and literally DOING the input for you...
plus it is assumed that everyone has a mouse. It is not assumed that everyone has scripts set up when they set up and start playing NS.
(sigh).... not that I´m a very competetive player, but I hate scripts anyway... scripts that replace the players input at least. Though I´m not a fan of console FPS gaming, I at least now see one advantage they have over us... no scripts, no hacks, and no game ruining console tweaks like uber brightness og glowing enemy models.
There is at least one consolidation in all this madness.... that Id Software has started a movement against these things. They made a decision NOT to allow nearly as much tweaking in Doom3 as there is in Quake3... They said that it really sucked to go to gaming tournaments and see everyone having to play with butt-ugly graphics in general to keep up with those that started it to gain an advantage... they also said it made their art department VERY SAD... which I understand perfectly.
Death to hacking, scripting, tweaking. Those damn console tweaks were made for devs and modmakers, not players. They should never have been allowed on servers in the first place.
<!--QuoteBegin-Yumosis+Sep 4 2004, 09:48 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Yumosis @ Sep 4 2004, 09:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-sej+Sep 4 2004, 09:28 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (sej @ Sep 4 2004, 09:28 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-BizZy | 9mm Messiah+Sep 4 2004, 08:52 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BizZy | 9mm Messiah @ Sep 4 2004, 08:52 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Complain, complain, complain. If a person wants to use scripts, let them, don't get off on telling them to get skills. It's their deal, if they are more comfortable playing with scripts then shut you (WUH WOH I MADE A SPELLING ERROR, SILVER FOX IS GONNA GET ME!) damn dirty heathen mouth. Don't like scripts? Go run your own damn nazi server with mp_blockscripts enabled. "Scripts give you an unfair advantage." Pfft, thats such a load of **** that it puts Mrs.Cleo to shame. Hell, I use a pistol script and a 3jump script and I still suck. If you have hud_fastswitch enabled, you're a "dirty scripter", if you have a key binded to "last used weapon" you're a "dirty scripter". Honestly, I don't see how you guys can sit here and complain about unfair advantages when these configurations are accessible to everyone. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Lol perhaps you suck because you use scripts, try playing without them and practice without them. Sure it might be hard at first but in the long run you end up a far superior player who doesnt rely on scripts. Scripting isnt lame or hacking, it just strikes me as damn lazy and an admission that you will never be able to be coordinated enough to play without them.
Its like when i play combat i never get focus because it means in the long run ill be a better skulk in ns_ maps as i practice tracking more if im not using focus.
If you always chose the easy way out in life you end up losing.
And i bhop with my mwheel, and i did find it awkward at first cos i use the same finger to press mouse 1 and to scroll my mwheel, but you know what? after some practice i can bhop pretty well and attack whilst bhopping. Why should NS be a game completely devoid of skill, its a pretty damn easy game already anyway. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> "Lol perhaps you suck because you use the mouse, try aiming with the keyboard and practice without it. Sure it might be hard at first but in the long run you end up a far superior player who doesn't rely on a mouse. A mouse isn't lame or hacking, it just strikes me as damn lazy and an admission that you will never be able to be coordinated enough to play without one." <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> As for "lets make it so people can only play with keyboards", thats a quite stupid. If something can be overly abused, it will be disabled or at least give server admins the option of disabling it or not. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Wow Mr.Voogru please share with us more of your supreme knowledge and intellect , because its not like you missed the entire point Mr.Yumosis was trying to make in his post.
THISH SUCKS IW ANT TO SCIRU:T IS T ON>LYT WAY THAT ALIEN GAN TIWN THEN GAWEM CUZ BUNNYH OP ING THE THINGZ MARIENT NOT KILL WIHT AMBUSH NO HOPS UNSINTSALL TEH GAEM CUZ U ETKE ATEH SCIRPTS AWAY!
Uhm, the script block stopped the whiners from screaming at scripters, and the "noobs" cannot bhop anymore...just MAKE bhop please devs, just when the jump button is tapped in a certain way, you start to gain speed fast.
<!--QuoteBegin-OBhave+Sep 4 2004, 10:04 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (OBhave @ Sep 4 2004, 10:04 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Bleh.... likening the banning of scripts to the banning of the mouse... there is a difference between passing your input into the game and literally DOING the input for you...
plus it is assumed that everyone has a mouse. It is not assumed that everyone has scripts set up when they set up and start playing NS.
(sigh).... not that I´m a very competetive player, but I hate scripts anyway... scripts that replace the players input at least. Though I´m not a fan of console FPS gaming, I at least now see one advantage they have over us... no scripts, no hacks, and no game ruining console tweaks like uber brightness og glowing enemy models.
There is at least one consolidation in all this madness.... that Id Software has started a movement against these things. They made a decision NOT to allow nearly as much tweaking in Doom3 as there is in Quake3... They said that it really sucked to go to gaming tournaments and see everyone having to play with butt-ugly graphics in general to keep up with those that started it to gain an advantage... they also said it made their art department VERY SAD... which I understand perfectly.
Death to hacking, scripting, tweaking. Those damn console tweaks were made for devs and modmakers, not players. They should never have been allowed on servers in the first place.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> How is it assumed that everyone has a mouse? You can play half life with just the keyboard (q1 with the keyboard rocked <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> even back then some people thought +mlook was an exploit amazing how little things have changed with silly exploits isn't it?). Everyone has the ability to use a script, just because the ignorance of the few that can't use a mouse or don't want to doesn't mean everyone should have to suffer. Scripts don't do all the input for you, they only do execution of commands. Bhop scripts cannot bunny hop for you, pistol scripts cannot aim for you. If there are scripts that are exploitable, stop the root of the exploit, not the scripts.
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<!--QuoteBegin-mishterhaz+Sep 4 2004, 10:52 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (mishterhaz @ Sep 4 2004, 10:52 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> This has turned into such a flame war, and it REALLY is upsetting. I shoudla known better.
Far too many immature players on these forums to hold a simple board conversation about the good and bad of this new patch. Remember? The topic of this discussion is about BETA5, not about how you think about scripters.
I just hope this doesn't get locked, and that some people will actually start posting information relevant to the b5 patch. And do I have to say it again, it's a BETA patch. Yes beta. As in not final. As in the devs are going to continue tweaking.
So can we all just please drop the flaming about scripters, clans, "OMGZ MY SKILLZ ARE 1337edrrr THEN YOUS", and just post about whats good and bad with b5?
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tbh, I think a lot more could have been done to fix a few minor buggy issues, but the cosmetic fixes the dev team put in will do fine. I don't really care for the new sounds, even tho the JP DOES sound like a mixer and a vaccum :-p Overall, good patch, nice changes. Definitely on the way to a final now <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Wrong thread.
<!--QuoteBegin-BizZy | 9mm Messiah+Sep 4 2004, 10:59 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BizZy | 9mm Messiah @ Sep 4 2004, 10:59 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-mishterhaz+Sep 4 2004, 10:52 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (mishterhaz @ Sep 4 2004, 10:52 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> This has turned into such a flame war, and it REALLY is upsetting. I shoudla known better.
Far too many immature players on these forums to hold a simple board conversation about the good and bad of this new patch. Remember? The topic of this discussion is about BETA5, not about how you think about scripters.
I just hope this doesn't get locked, and that some people will actually start posting information relevant to the b5 patch. And do I have to say it again, it's a BETA patch. Yes beta. As in not final. As in the devs are going to continue tweaking.
So can we all just please drop the flaming about scripters, clans, "OMGZ MY SKILLZ ARE 1337edrrr THEN YOUS", and just post about whats good and bad with b5?
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tbh, I think a lot more could have been done to fix a few minor buggy issues, but the cosmetic fixes the dev team put in will do fine. I don't really care for the new sounds, even tho the JP DOES sound like a mixer and a vaccum :-p Overall, good patch, nice changes. Definitely on the way to a final now <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Wrong thread. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> DOH.
that's what i get for going on the forums when i wake up.
damn do i feel stupid <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I´m not getting into a friggin´ rhetoric about whether or not assuming everyone ,aims with a mouse is "philosophically correct", or "discriminatory".... it´s just an old standard that the NS devs decided to follow (like every other FPS game since.... )
maybe it isn´t even right to assume that everyone has a HAND to aim with, eh? ... "omg we r discriminating teh physically challenged!!!111!!one!!" <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
At least things are moving in the right direction with these latest changes in NS and the example that Doom3 has given that hopefully other game engines will follow.
Let's get down to the facts. First things first we're talking about bhop scripts and not scripting in general.
1. It's official that bunny hopping is part of NS and it's here to stay.
What is the +3jump script?
2. The +3jump script simulates pressing the spacebar 3 times.
So why is that useful? Well any time spent in contact with the floor causes the HL engine to apply friction to the player which slows them down. The whole point of bunny hopping is to *maintain* your speed. The +3jump ensures that one of the jumps fire the instant you touch the ground.
Why can't I just hit jump at the right time?
3. You can hit jump at the right time but it's affected by things like latency and framerate.
So you need a pretty decent connection and framerate to do it.
How long does it take to learn how to bunny hop? Well it depends but it took me about 1 hour to start getting the knack of it and with constant practice I can keep my speed fairly well without a script but more easily with a script.
Solutions:
Well regarding fact 1 why not just increase the time for friction to apply to the player so that it can be done more easily without a script.
To all those against bunny hopping:
It's not hard to kill a bunnyhopping script, admitedly it's harder, and you just need more practice and possibly a change of tactics.
<!--QuoteBegin-NGE+Sep 4 2004, 12:56 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NGE @ Sep 4 2004, 12:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> By the way, wanna see some skill? Let me point you to some high calibur HLTV demo's of the last CAL finals. There we see good aim and good movement skill. Please tell me how scripts played the entire 45 min round for me. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> What, you don't know about <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=74467&st=0&#entry1133303' target='_blank'>aim scripts</a> and <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=75844&view=findpost&p=1156560' target='_blank'>automatic jump scripts</a>? <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<span style='font-size:5pt;line-height:100%'>and did I just see someone practically implying that +3jumps makes you jump 3 times perfectly? Go ignorance</span>
<!--QuoteBegin-titanium+Sep 4 2004, 09:45 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (titanium @ Sep 4 2004, 09:45 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-NGE+Sep 4 2004, 07:56 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NGE @ Sep 4 2004, 07:56 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The timeing gets and feels much different when you're bhopping at 17 fps. Try it without +3jumps or mwheel. Tell me how much fun you're having.
Maybe if I were some rich **** who could afford a computer than gets 10000 fps, then yes, I wouldn't have any problems at all with this, but right now all it does is even the playing field. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> regardless of what your computer is right now for at most $100 you could upgrade it enough that you'd get constant 60+ fps in NS
stop crying and get a job <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> ^^^^
Just to reiterate - had tite not said this earlier, it would have been my reply - except I would replace the $100 with $20, because that's really all it takes to get the HL engine running at 100 fps nowadays...
<!--QuoteBegin-Hobojoe+Sep 4 2004, 05:47 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Hobojoe @ Sep 4 2004, 05:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-voogru+Sep 4 2004, 05:13 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (voogru @ Sep 4 2004, 05:13 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Block scripts is a server option, which is OFF by default.
If scripts don't work, the server admin purposly enabled it. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> which is good because server admins are intelligent <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Correct.
2 funny facts:
- Of all the servers running mp_blockscripts, none have consistency on "1" - All of the server admins that choosed to turn on blockscripts are members of really bad clans. I'm yet to see a server by a medium skilled or better clan with blockscripts enabled.
<!--QuoteBegin-Tekish+Sep 4 2004, 05:54 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Tekish @ Sep 4 2004, 05:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> But it's their servers, let them do what they want. As a player you have two options:
Play without scripts Play somewhere else
Someone please inform me as to what the problem is... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Giving server ops the ability to choose for themselves is clearly unbalancing for scripters. Isn't it obvious?
<!--QuoteBegin-Tekish+Sep 4 2004, 05:54 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Tekish @ Sep 4 2004, 05:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> But it's their servers, let them do what they want. As a player you have two options:
Play without scripts Play somewhere else
Someone please inform me as to what the problem is... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Did I say I've got a problem with it?
The leagues in europe decided not to use blockscripts, nothing else matters to me <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
But what's your problem with people discussing blockscripts?
Blocking scripts is the best thing... Scripts are simply not needed and it is cheating imo. I found it funny to see some claners on my local servers having a cry about it. It was funny cause the context of their argument was "I am leet so I should be able to script". To which my response was "well if your so leet why can u no longer bhop"?
The only ppl a feel a little sorry for are ppl with no mouse wheels, who will have a very hard time bhoping well now ;(
<!--QuoteBegin-gopher+Sep 4 2004, 11:57 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (gopher @ Sep 4 2004, 11:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Tekish+Sep 4 2004, 05:54 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Tekish @ Sep 4 2004, 05:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> But it's their servers, let them do what they want. As a player you have two options:
Play without scripts Play somewhere else
Someone please inform me as to what the problem is... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Did I say I've got a problem with it?
The leagues in europe decided not to use blockscripts, nothing else matters to me <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
But what's your problem with people discussing blockscripts? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Firstly, my post wasn't really meant towards you - it was more of a general comment.
I have no problems with discussion - it's the whole purpose of these forums. It's just that some people are whining like this change is going to drammatically impact their life in some profound way, for a change that really isn't all that drastic.
It really is as simple as finding a server that is set to your style of play, and just playing on it. If admins really want blockscripts enabled, then all of the of bitching and moaning in the world won't do a thing to change that. It's just something to accept, and move on.
<!--QuoteBegin-Hobojoe+Sep 4 2004, 05:53 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Hobojoe @ Sep 4 2004, 05:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> hahaha i know, there some clan that bans vets on sight because they're all scripters, i can't remeber the guys name now though, maybe ziggy, i think he quit <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> wth you on about woman?
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Few servers allow scripting now. How mysterious. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Doesn't really matter unless they lock the mouse wheel, all the people using triple jump scripts or what not will just learn to use their mouse wheel, which is way better then a triple jump script is, but is located right next to the left mouse button which is awkward.
<!--QuoteBegin-ZiGGY^+Sep 4 2004, 06:59 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ZiGGY^ @ Sep 4 2004, 06:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> dont know what rock you guys been living under to be frank, got clue? :X
from what people tell me in irc... all the scripts work? :/ so whats the problem? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Certain "scripts" like alias oh_nos "jointeamone; exec h4x.cfg" work, but the really useful one like 3jump doesn't work. Even though bunnyhop is officialy here to stay, they pretty much block it for 95% of the users :>
<!--QuoteBegin-voogru+Sep 4 2004, 06:24 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (voogru @ Sep 4 2004, 06:24 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Palmaneen+Sep 4 2004, 07:23 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Palmaneen @ Sep 4 2004, 07:23 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Why not just remove the wait command entirely? That way usefull binds will still be useable while jump scripts and such wont work at all. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Its an engine command, cant be removed. Not sure how to block it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Good 'ol voogru.
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Maybe if I were some rich **** who could afford a computer than gets 10000 fps, then yes, I wouldn't have any problems at all with this, but right now all it does is even the playing field. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
regardless of what your computer is right now for at most $100 you could upgrade it enough that you'd get constant 60+ fps in NS
stop crying and get a job <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
60 isn't enough, typically you want 90+ to bhop without scripts.
And the tough thing about computers is that I have a life outside of them. I just spent 2000 bucks on band related stuff. Mind telling me where I should come up with the other 1000 for a nice, good computer? Hate to break it to you, buddy, but my 6 year old dell is as upgraded as it's going to get. It takes time, and scripts help me compete against things beyond my control. A fast fps means a lot of better things in NS. Scripts enable me to preform consistantly, not better.
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regardless of what your computer is right now for at most $100 you could upgrade it enough that you'd get constant 60+ fps in NS
stop crying and get a job <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
60 isn't enough, typically you want 90+ to bhop without scripts.
And the tough thing about computers is that I have a life outside of them. I just spent 2000 bucks on band related stuff. Mind telling me where I should come up with the other 1000 for a nice, good computer? Hate to break it to you, buddy, but my 6 year old dell is as upgraded as it's going to get. It takes time, and scripts help me compete against things beyond my control. A fast fps means a lot of better things in NS. Scripts enable me to preform consistantly, not better. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
If your so busy with life, why bother playing silly games? Really now.
No one forces you to play NS, if your not enjoying it because of a crap system, you dont need to play it.
As for "lets make it so people can only play with keyboards", thats a quite stupid. If something can be overly abused, it will be disabled or at least give server admins the option of disabling it or not.
plus it is assumed that everyone has a mouse. It is not assumed that everyone has scripts set up when they set up and start playing NS.
(sigh).... not that I´m a very competetive player, but I hate scripts anyway... scripts that replace the players input at least. Though I´m not a fan of console FPS gaming, I at least now see one advantage they have over us... no scripts, no hacks, and no game ruining console tweaks like uber brightness og glowing enemy models.
There is at least one consolidation in all this madness.... that Id Software has started a movement against these things. They made a decision NOT to allow nearly as much tweaking in Doom3 as there is in Quake3... They said that it really sucked to go to gaming tournaments and see everyone having to play with butt-ugly graphics in general to keep up with those that started it to gain an advantage... they also said it made their art department VERY SAD... which I understand perfectly.
Death to hacking, scripting, tweaking. Those damn console tweaks were made for devs and modmakers, not players. They should never have been allowed on servers in the first place.
Lol perhaps you suck because you use scripts, try playing without them and practice without them. Sure it might be hard at first but in the long run you end up a far superior player who doesnt rely on scripts. Scripting isnt lame or hacking, it just strikes me as damn lazy and an admission that you will never be able to be coordinated enough to play without them.
Its like when i play combat i never get focus because it means in the long run ill be a better skulk in ns_ maps as i practice tracking more if im not using focus.
If you always chose the easy way out in life you end up losing.
And i bhop with my mwheel, and i did find it awkward at first cos i use the same finger to press mouse 1 and to scroll my mwheel, but you know what? after some practice i can bhop pretty well and attack whilst bhopping. Why should NS be a game completely devoid of skill, its a pretty damn easy game already anyway. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
"Lol perhaps you suck because you use the mouse, try aiming with the keyboard and practice without it. Sure it might be hard at first but in the long run you end up a far superior player who doesn't rely on a mouse. A mouse isn't lame or hacking, it just strikes me as damn lazy and an admission that you will never be able to be coordinated enough to play without one."
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As for "lets make it so people can only play with keyboards", thats a quite stupid. If something can be overly abused, it will be disabled or at least give server admins the option of disabling it or not.
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Wow Mr.Voogru please share with us more of your supreme knowledge and intellect , because its not like you missed the entire point Mr.Yumosis was trying to make in his post.
plus it is assumed that everyone has a mouse. It is not assumed that everyone has scripts set up when they set up and start playing NS.
(sigh).... not that I´m a very competetive player, but I hate scripts anyway... scripts that replace the players input at least. Though I´m not a fan of console FPS gaming, I at least now see one advantage they have over us... no scripts, no hacks, and no game ruining console tweaks like uber brightness og glowing enemy models.
There is at least one consolidation in all this madness.... that Id Software has started a movement against these things. They made a decision NOT to allow nearly as much tweaking in Doom3 as there is in Quake3... They said that it really sucked to go to gaming tournaments and see everyone having to play with butt-ugly graphics in general to keep up with those that started it to gain an advantage... they also said it made their art department VERY SAD... which I understand perfectly.
Death to hacking, scripting, tweaking. Those damn console tweaks were made for devs and modmakers, not players. They should never have been allowed on servers in the first place.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
How is it assumed that everyone has a mouse? You can play half life with just the keyboard (q1 with the keyboard rocked <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> even back then some people thought +mlook was an exploit amazing how little things have changed with silly exploits isn't it?). Everyone has the ability to use a script, just because the ignorance of the few that can't use a mouse or don't want to doesn't mean everyone should have to suffer. Scripts don't do all the input for you, they only do execution of commands. Bhop scripts cannot bunny hop for you, pistol scripts cannot aim for you. If there are scripts that are exploitable, stop the root of the exploit, not the scripts.
Far too many immature players on these forums to hold a simple board conversation about the good and bad of this new patch. Remember? The topic of this discussion is about BETA5, not about how you think about scripters.
I just hope this doesn't get locked, and that some people will actually start posting information relevant to the b5 patch. And do I have to say it again, it's a BETA patch. Yes beta. As in not final. As in the devs are going to continue tweaking.
So can we all just please drop the flaming about scripters, clans, "OMGZ MY SKILLZ ARE 1337edrrr THEN YOUS", and just post about whats good and bad with b5?
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tbh, I think a lot more could have been done to fix a few minor buggy issues, but the cosmetic fixes the dev team put in will do fine. I don't really care for the new sounds, even tho the JP DOES sound like a mixer and a vaccum :-p Overall, good patch, nice changes. Definitely on the way to a final now <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Wrong thread.
Far too many immature players on these forums to hold a simple board conversation about the good and bad of this new patch. Remember? The topic of this discussion is about BETA5, not about how you think about scripters.
I just hope this doesn't get locked, and that some people will actually start posting information relevant to the b5 patch. And do I have to say it again, it's a BETA patch. Yes beta. As in not final. As in the devs are going to continue tweaking.
So can we all just please drop the flaming about scripters, clans, "OMGZ MY SKILLZ ARE 1337edrrr THEN YOUS", and just post about whats good and bad with b5?
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tbh, I think a lot more could have been done to fix a few minor buggy issues, but the cosmetic fixes the dev team put in will do fine. I don't really care for the new sounds, even tho the JP DOES sound like a mixer and a vaccum :-p Overall, good patch, nice changes. Definitely on the way to a final now <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Wrong thread. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
DOH.
that's what i get for going on the forums when i wake up.
damn do i feel stupid <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
my bad lol.
maybe it isn´t even right to assume that everyone has a HAND to aim with, eh? ... "omg we r discriminating teh physically challenged!!!111!!one!!" <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
At least things are moving in the right direction with these latest changes in NS and the example that Doom3 has given that hopefully other game engines will follow.
So long, happy flaming
1. It's official that bunny hopping is part of NS and it's here to stay.
What is the +3jump script?
2. The +3jump script simulates pressing the spacebar 3 times.
So why is that useful? Well any time spent in contact with the floor causes the HL engine to apply friction to the player which slows them down. The whole point of bunny hopping is to *maintain* your speed. The +3jump ensures that one of the jumps fire the instant you touch the ground.
Why can't I just hit jump at the right time?
3. You can hit jump at the right time but it's affected by things like latency and framerate.
So you need a pretty decent connection and framerate to do it.
How long does it take to learn how to bunny hop? Well it depends but it took me about 1 hour to start getting the knack of it and with constant practice I can keep my speed fairly well without a script but more easily with a script.
Solutions:
Well regarding fact 1 why not just increase the time for friction to apply to the player so that it can be done more easily without a script.
To all those against bunny hopping:
It's not hard to kill a bunnyhopping script, admitedly it's harder, and you just need more practice and possibly a change of tactics.
What, you don't know about <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=74467&st=0&#entry1133303' target='_blank'>aim scripts</a> and <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=75844&view=findpost&p=1156560' target='_blank'>automatic jump scripts</a>? <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<span style='font-size:5pt;line-height:100%'>and did I just see someone practically implying that +3jumps makes you jump 3 times perfectly? Go ignorance</span>
Maybe if I were some rich **** who could afford a computer than gets 10000 fps, then yes, I wouldn't have any problems at all with this, but right now all it does is even the playing field. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
regardless of what your computer is right now for at most $100 you could upgrade it enough that you'd get constant 60+ fps in NS
stop crying and get a job <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
^^^^
Just to reiterate - had tite not said this earlier, it would have been my reply - except I would replace the $100 with $20, because that's really all it takes to get the HL engine running at 100 fps nowadays...
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Correct.
2 funny facts:
- Of all the servers running mp_blockscripts, none have consistency on "1"
- All of the server admins that choosed to turn on blockscripts are members of really bad clans. I'm yet to see a server by a medium skilled or better clan with blockscripts enabled.
:>
Play without scripts
Play somewhere else
Someone please inform me as to what the problem is...
Play without scripts
Play somewhere else
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Giving server ops the ability to choose for themselves is clearly unbalancing for scripters. Isn't it obvious?
Play without scripts
Play somewhere else
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Did I say I've got a problem with it?
The leagues in europe decided not to use blockscripts, nothing else matters to me <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
But what's your problem with people discussing blockscripts?
The only ppl a feel a little sorry for are ppl with no mouse wheels, who will have a very hard time bhoping well now ;(
Play without scripts
Play somewhere else
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Did I say I've got a problem with it?
The leagues in europe decided not to use blockscripts, nothing else matters to me <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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Firstly, my post wasn't really meant towards you - it was more of a general comment.
I have no problems with discussion - it's the whole purpose of these forums. It's just that some people are whining like this change is going to drammatically impact their life in some profound way, for a change that really isn't all that drastic.
It really is as simple as finding a server that is set to your style of play, and just playing on it. If admins really want blockscripts enabled, then all of the of bitching and moaning in the world won't do a thing to change that. It's just something to accept, and move on.
wth you on about woman?
Doesn't really matter unless they lock the mouse wheel, all the people using triple jump scripts or what not will just learn to use their mouse wheel, which is way better then a triple jump script is, but is located right next to the left mouse button which is awkward.
from what people tell me in irc... all the scripts work? :/ so whats the problem?
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Certain "scripts" like alias oh_nos "jointeamone; exec h4x.cfg" work, but the really useful one like 3jump doesn't work. Even though bunnyhop is officialy here to stay, they pretty much block it for 95% of the users :>
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Good 'ol voogru.
Irrelevent but true.