No ziggy. What he means is the dev team are slowly attempting to take away that what he had to learn himself. Most players use bunnyhop for transportation but how many can accelerate fast enough to use it as a ambushing tool? Not many and thats a fact, and even less know how to bunnyhop ambush properly. But Hobojoe here has a good acceleration from what i seen and knows how to ambush with it. Now if you figured this out then, you realize that Hobojoe not only learned to ambush properly long ago, but now knows how to combine bunnyhopping with ambushing to make him even better. Now this is a skill he aquired, which makes him above other bunnyhoppers and players, yet now you are slowly taking it away or so he would assume with such steps as these from the dev team.
More importantly, this just divides the community more. Look Cal won't take bunnyhop script away, yet many servers will. And when you say use the Mouse wheel. Well in my opinion the mouse wheel has a much greater use then for bunnyhopping. And what that is i won't tell you. I do not even use the mouse to shoot...
Yet you all assume to use the mouse wheel. Well here is a question for you. What difference does it make if one uses the mouse wheel from the script beside preference? None, just ignorance of others.
Edit: and don't forget how helpful the bunnyhop script is for a lerk. Because you don't have to waste your fingers on clicking to many times.
<span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'><span style='color:red'>FOR THE LOVE OF GOD AND ALL THAT IS HOLY PLEASE IMPLEMENT A QUAKE-STYLE JUMPING SYSTEM SO I DON'T HAVE TO LISTEN TO ALL OF THESE WHINERS COMPLAIN ABOUT SCRIPTS</span></span>
lol, I think I remember why I stopped posting here.
sigh
I said raciest because, well, quite frankly I didn't know what the hell you said, because it was edited when I came back. I made an educated guess and it would appear I was close. So, excuse me for not repeating what you said verbatim.
I don't have a problem with what I refer to as 'normal scripting'. Which is where things such as reporting in scripts, team selection scripts and status scripts are used. I like them and quite frankly, if there was a way to keep them and still block other kinds of scripts, I'd be all for it. But you can't. Things like a leap+bite script, bhop script and pistol fire script <b>need to go</b>. Apparently, I'm not the only who thought so, seeing as how it was removed.
You can sit there and show how awesome you are at games and make fun of people who say using scripts requires no skill all you want. Doesn't matter that you don't provide any proof to back up your claim, just call them lots of names, that'll keep them quiet.
The simple fact is if you can do more commands with less button presses - less skill is required. That is a simple <b>fact</b>. whether or not you want to acknowledge it or not is irrelevant. It takes more skill to press the mouse button multiple times with a pistol and keep you're crosshair on target, then it does to just point your crosshair there and press 1 button. It's a simple fact and its irrefutable.
<!--QuoteBegin-gopher+Sep 4 2004, 06:57 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (gopher @ Sep 4 2004, 06:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The leagues in europe decided not to use blockscripts, nothing else matters to me ;) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Uh... From Clanbase OpenCup (the current one): mp_blockscripts 1 mp_consistency 1
Don't know what your league references are though :)
<!--QuoteBegin-obuh+Sep 4 2004, 04:02 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (obuh @ Sep 4 2004, 04:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> LOL SCRIPTS ARE CHEATING THEY NEED TO GO. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> lol, are you actually trying to start a 'if you prevent me from having an advantage, you're a commie' campaign or something?
<!--QuoteBegin-Yumosis+Sep 4 2004, 05:29 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Yumosis @ Sep 4 2004, 05:29 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> That's a rather <span style='color:white'>prejudiced</span> statement against someone that just wants to play with a different set of controls. I fail to see how binding my mwheel to jump and using an alias that has jump 3 times are that much different, or how one requires anymore <i>skill</i> than the other. As for me, I haven't really knowticed, I use mousewheel and I can't tell any difference, but I've had people tell me the skulk feels sluggish. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> First of all, why are you using mwheel to jump and using a script if you can't notice a difference?
Second of all, a script isn't a "set of controls".
Third, if you can't notice that one requires more skill then the other, then theres seriously something wrong with you. Using a 3-jump script makes bhopping much easier and succesful much more often.
I'm not against 3-jump scripts. Just don't deny that they make up for a lack of skill.
<!--QuoteBegin-Hobojoe+Sep 4 2004, 04:13 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Hobojoe @ Sep 4 2004, 04:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> i can do more actions faster if i use a mousewheel
BAN MOUSEWHEELS <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> If you need to use the mouse wheel as a crutch for your lack of skill, then that's your problem.
I'd prefer to play the game how Flayra intended and I guarantee he didn't have in mind people using the mouse wheel to do any actions faster then would normaly be allowed. Such as firing a pistol or jumping.
obuhNot Quite Smart at NSJoin Date: 2003-03-31Member: 15072Members, Constellation
edited September 2004
<!--QuoteBegin-Silver Fox+Sep 4 2004, 02:13 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Silver Fox @ Sep 4 2004, 02:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-obuh+Sep 4 2004, 04:02 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (obuh @ Sep 4 2004, 04:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> LOL SCRIPTS ARE CHEATING THEY NEED TO GO. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> lol, are you actually trying to start a 'if you prevent me from having an advantage, you're a commie' campaign or something? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> If customization is an advantage, then yes. Let's remove all forms of customization, it's evil !
EDIT: More proof that scripts are evil :
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><Swirl> ive got a script that lets my **** glow blue in the dark<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
As you can see, scripting = cheating. Case closed.
<!--QuoteBegin-obuh+Sep 4 2004, 04:18 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (obuh @ Sep 4 2004, 04:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If customization is an advantage, then yes. Let's remove all forms of customization, it's evil ! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> You seem to be missing the point.
I know Flayra doesn't mind a model replacement. He'd probably prefer you just used the one that came with his game, but hes not against lets say, an alien model instead of a skulk (unless its bigger and would give an advantage someone who's using a default model wouldn't have, but that's another story.)
What he is against is people <b>exploiting</b> the opportunity to use custom things. Such as removing the view model of the skulk - so the mouth doesn't close and block their screen. I assume you think that's ok? To have one player be able to see fine while bitting away while another has to deal with the view model?
That's why things like this happen. Not because Flayra doesn't want you to customize the game to fit you. It's because there are a few **** out there that like to exploit any advantage they can get. And unfortunately the only way to prevent those people, is to remove the capability all together.
obuhNot Quite Smart at NSJoin Date: 2003-03-31Member: 15072Members, Constellation
<!--QuoteBegin-Silver Fox+Sep 4 2004, 02:24 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Silver Fox @ Sep 4 2004, 02:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-obuh+Sep 4 2004, 04:18 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (obuh @ Sep 4 2004, 04:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If customization is an advantage, then yes. Let's remove all forms of customization, it's evil ! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> You seem to be missing the point.
I know Flayra doesn't mind a model replacement. He'd probably prefer you just used the one that came with his game, but hes not against lets say, an alien model instead of a skulk (unless its bigger and would give an advantage someone who's using a default model wouldn't have, but that's another story.)
What he is against is people <b>exploiting</b> the opportunity to use custom things. Such as removing the view model of the skulk - so the mouth doesn't close and block their screen. I assume you think that's ok? To have one player be able to see fine while bitting away while another has to deal with the view model?
That's why things like this happen. Not because Flayra doesn't want you to customize the game to fit you. It's because there are a few **** out there that like to exploit any advantage they can get. And unfortunately the only way to prevent those people, is to remove the capability all together.
I'm sorry you fail to see that. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> So because I use scripts, you assume I must like to remove the skulk teeth while biting ?
Can you name <b>exploitive</b> scripts (besides the leap script which sucks, and the thing you call a bhop script) ?
By the way, there are no scripts that bunnyhop for you. There is something called a jump script that repeats the jump command quickly several times to help you time your jumps.
And I'm sorry I fail to understand your superior and flawless logic.
Nice, call them ignorant for trying to stop people exploiting rather then just letting anyone have what ever they wanted. Lord knows they wouldn't want to be called stupid, that's sure to make them change it back.
And new players <b>don't</b> <i>have</i> to switch their mouse wheel to +jump. I've been playing NS since before you even heard about it and not once have I ever used any script or mwheel for anything other then nextinv and previnv.
You can play the game <b>just fine</b> without the use of any scripts at all.
<!--QuoteBegin-obuh+Sep 4 2004, 04:32 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (obuh @ Sep 4 2004, 04:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> So because I use scripts, you assume I must like to remove the skulk teeth while biting ?
Can you name <b>exploitive</b> scripts (besides the leap script which sucks, and the thing you call a bhop script) ?
By the way, there are no scripts that bunnyhop for you. There is something called a jump script that repeats the jump command quickly several times to help you time your jumps.
And I'm sorry I fail to understand your superior and flawless logic. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I wasn't saying that you remove the skulks teeth because you use scripts. You missed the point of my post completely.
The point was - people exploit the options Flayra decided to leave in to let people customize their game. So, to prevent the exploits, he removes the option.
I can name three right off the top of my head. Pistol fire script, Leap+bite script and the bhop 'timing' script.
I don't know why you say "besides" those scripts - they are perfect examples of why it was needed to change. Because you don't want to acknowledge them doesn't make them any less substantial.
And it doesn't matter if the script will bhop for you or not - its spamming jump with the press of one key, instead of you relying on a script for timing, you should actually practice jumping till you get it right.
<!--QuoteBegin-Jmmsbnd007+Sep 4 2004, 06:23 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Jmmsbnd007 @ Sep 4 2004, 06:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'><span style='color:red'>FOR THE LOVE OF GOD AND ALL THAT IS HOLY PLEASE IMPLEMENT A QUAKE-STYLE JUMPING SYSTEM SO I DON'T HAVE TO LISTEN TO ALL OF THESE WHINERS COMPLAIN ABOUT SCRIPTS</span></span> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I don't think they're listening, this has been suggested too many times by too many people to be simply overlooked <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
p.s. as soon as I see someone mention leap/bite scripts in the context of gaining an advantage their credability takes an impressive fall. They are completely useless unless you have some kind of crazy keyboard setup where you can't reach the slot1 and slot3 buttons (or if you're too stupid to put on fastswitch).
<!--QuoteBegin-Hobojoe+Sep 4 2004, 04:39 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Hobojoe @ Sep 4 2004, 04:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> do you bunnyhop, it sure sounds like you don't.
note that you have to be holding crouch and strafe while you jump.
you've played since before i've heard about it, so i'm sure you're very good at this game! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I do and I do it without the use of any scripts.
Perhaps it's not perfect all the time and perhaps it's not as fast as if I used a script, but the fact is, I can still do it.
Holding crouch and strafing isn't hard .. I guess I don't understand the point you are trying to make there.
And I never said I was the best, but I am proof that anyone can play the game without any script use what so ever.
<!--QuoteBegin-Silver Fox+Sep 4 2004, 12:16 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Silver Fox @ Sep 4 2004, 12:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Hobojoe+Sep 4 2004, 04:13 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Hobojoe @ Sep 4 2004, 04:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> i can do more actions faster if i use a mousewheel
BAN MOUSEWHEELS <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> If you need to use the mouse wheel as a crutch for your lack of skill, then that's your problem.
I'd prefer to play the game how Flayra intended and I guarantee he didn't have in mind people using the mouse wheel to do any actions faster then would normaly be allowed. Such as firing a pistol or jumping. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> rofl this guy is a PT... sad.
<!--QuoteBegin-voogru+Sep 4 2004, 05:13 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (voogru @ Sep 4 2004, 05:13 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Block scripts is a server option, which is OFF by default.
If scripts don't work, the server admin purposly enabled it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Care to explain my mwheel still works with it on?
<!--QuoteBegin-Nadagast+Sep 4 2004, 04:47 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nadagast @ Sep 4 2004, 04:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> rofl this guy is a PT... sad.
learn to play before you make judgements maybe? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> learn to play ..? lol.
again, I've been playing longer then you've even heard of the game and I have contributed more to NS's growth then you could ever hope to accomplish.
What about anything I said insinuates I don't know how to play?
<!--QuoteBegin-Silver Fox+Sep 4 2004, 12:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Silver Fox @ Sep 4 2004, 12:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I can name three right off the top of my head. Pistol fire script, Leap+bite script and the bhop 'timing' script. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> AHAHAHAHHAHA HAHAHA
leap/bite is the worst script EVER, and anyone who uses it is the biggest newbie. PERIOD. WHY DO PEOPLE STILL THINK THIS?
pistol script sucks.
The only useful script that people (who are much better and more experienced than you) are complaining about is 3jump. All it does is HELP you time your jumps while bhopping... it's not a bhop script. All it does is make it possible to bhop w/o using the mwheel.
tankefuglOne Script To Rule Them All...Trondheim, NorwayJoin Date: 2002-11-14Member: 8641Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
Scripting is a way of to improve the user interface of this game. The jumping feature is obviously flawed, so people invented scripts to compencate for it.
Don't tell me that the officla "bhop is ok" goes well with making jumps harder to time. It doesn't really make bhop available to the regular player, which is exactly what oh so many people in this very forum complained about half a year ago.
if that is the only script that you claim is adding any advantage and even then, its so minor that it shouldn't matter - why are they limiting the use of scripts?
<!--QuoteBegin-Silver Fox+Sep 4 2004, 12:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Silver Fox @ Sep 4 2004, 12:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Nadagast+Sep 4 2004, 04:47 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nadagast @ Sep 4 2004, 04:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> rofl this guy is a PT... sad.
learn to play before you make judgements maybe? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> learn to play ..? lol.
again, I've been playing longer then you've even heard of the game and I have contributed more to NS's growth then you could ever hope to accomplish.
What about anything I said insinuates I don't know how to play? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> What insinuates that you don't know how to play is that you reject a script that TFC used (a game with bhop!) in THE OFFICIAL CPL GUI WHILE PLAYING FOR TEN THOUSAND DOLLARS ON A LAN.
<!--QuoteBegin-FireBorn+Sep 4 2004, 02:15 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (FireBorn @ Sep 4 2004, 02:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Third, if you can't notice that one requires more skill then the other, then theres seriously something wrong with you. Using a 3-jump script makes bhopping much easier and succesful much more often. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Huh, so going into windows settings and having my mwheel spam 3 zillion commands a move, plus getting a mouse whose wheel works smoothly is more skillful than binding a key to triplejump - although it spams less commands over a shorter period of time.
I also love the babbling of "OGM GET SOME SKILL", mostly by people that with or without triplejump couldn't keep up with most of the people that are annoyed by the mp_blockscripts implementation. Yes, lets get some skill and suck like you.
<!--QuoteBegin-Silver Fox+Sep 4 2004, 02:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Silver Fox @ Sep 4 2004, 02:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Nadagast+Sep 4 2004, 04:47 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nadagast @ Sep 4 2004, 04:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> rofl this guy is a PT... sad.
learn to play before you make judgements maybe? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> learn to play ..? lol.
again, I've been playing longer then you've even heard of the game and I have contributed more to NS's growth then you could ever hope to accomplish.
What about anything I said insinuates I don't know how to play? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Do you even know who nadagast is?
obuhNot Quite Smart at NSJoin Date: 2003-03-31Member: 15072Members, Constellation
edited September 2004
<!--QuoteBegin-Silver Fox+Sep 4 2004, 02:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Silver Fox @ Sep 4 2004, 02:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-obuh+Sep 4 2004, 04:32 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (obuh @ Sep 4 2004, 04:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> So because I use scripts, you assume I must like to remove the skulk teeth while biting ?
Can you name <b>exploitive</b> scripts (besides the leap script which sucks, and the thing you call a bhop script) ?
By the way, there are no scripts that bunnyhop for you. There is something called a jump script that repeats the jump command quickly several times to help you time your jumps.
And I'm sorry I fail to understand your superior and flawless logic. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I wasn't saying that you remove the skulks teeth because you use scripts. You missed the point of my post completely.
The point was - people exploit the options Flayra decided to leave in to let people customize their game. So, to prevent the exploits, he removes the option.
I can name three right off the top of my head. Pistol fire script, Leap+bite script and the bhop 'timing' script.
I don't know why you say "besides" those scripts - they are perfect examples of why it was needed to change. Because you don't want to acknowledge them doesn't make them any less substantial.
And it doesn't matter if the script will bhop for you or not - its spamming jump with the press of one key, instead of you relying on a script for timing, you should actually practice jumping till you get it right. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>Such as removing the view model of the skulk - so the mouth doesn't close and block their screen. I assume you think that's ok?</span><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Then why do you assume I think it's ok ? Do you know me ?
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I can name three right off the top of my head. Pistol fire script, Leap+bite script and the bhop 'timing' script.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
1. Pistol fire : ok now shooting fast with your pistol is an exploit. I could bind +attack to mousewheel but I prefer having +jump bound to my mousewheel.
2. Leap+bite : stupid thing . It doesn't give any advantage, it's a big disadvantage. It leaps and makes you bite immediately. For this to work your the distance between you and your target must always be the same. You're better off using hud_fastswitch 1 and the weapon slot keys (1-2-3-4).
3. bhop 'timing' : why do you put timing between brackets ? It is indeed a timing script. It doesn't jump several times for you.
<!--QuoteBegin-Jmmsbnd007+Sep 4 2004, 04:55 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Jmmsbnd007 @ Sep 4 2004, 04:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Do you even know who nadagast is? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I fail to see why knowing the name of one player over the thousand that play this game has any relevance what so ever.
I know a lot of names of old play testers and contributers to NS that you've never heard of. What's your point?
<!--QuoteBegin-Silver Fox+Sep 4 2004, 02:59 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Silver Fox @ Sep 4 2004, 02:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Jmmsbnd007+Sep 4 2004, 04:55 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Jmmsbnd007 @ Sep 4 2004, 04:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Do you even know who nadagast is? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I fail to see why knowing the name of one player over the thousand that play this game has any relevance what so ever.
I know a lot of names of old play testers and contributers to NS that you've never heard of. What's your point? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> No, I asked the question because if you really knew anything about NS you'd know right away who nadagast is.
<!--QuoteBegin-Hobojoe+Sep 4 2004, 04:55 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Hobojoe @ Sep 4 2004, 04:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> hahahah who the **** do you think you are fox <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I am someone who gave a lot of their time to NS and being told I don't know how to play or that what I think or suggest will make NS worse, makes me defensive.
The fact that I am pointing out how long I've been playing is simply to prove that I know how to play.
You seem to insinuate I don't, so I tell you how long I've been playing. And now I'm arrogant?
The irony of it is you're discussing bunnyhopping with Nadagast, who together with tribaldaniel and maybe oits probably has (although I haven't seen him play in a few weeks, maybe he suddenly sucks) one of the meanest bunnyhops around. Hop on a scriptblocking enabled server, and Skulkrace in the pregame - 5 bucks says you'll still be in the Hive by the time any of these people you're arguing against have toured the whole map.
Not just is your argument "Get skill" futile, hypocritical and pretty amusing - but it also doesn't even begin to address why blockscripts in its current form is supposed to make any sense, how mwheel is different from a triplejump and why adding the requirement to know how to configure your mouse and windows to bunnyhop is a good addition to NS, a game in which bunnyhopping is an intentional feature.
<!--QuoteBegin-Silver Fox+Sep 4 2004, 01:05 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Silver Fox @ Sep 4 2004, 01:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Hobojoe+Sep 4 2004, 04:55 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Hobojoe @ Sep 4 2004, 04:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> hahahah who the **** do you think you are fox <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I am someone who gave a lot of their time to NS and being told I don't know how to play or that what I think or suggest will make NS worse, makes me defensive.
The fact that I am pointing out how long I've been playing is simply to prove that I know how to play.
You seem to insinuate I don't, so I tell you how long I've been playing. And now I'm arrogant? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> No, this makes you look arrogant. <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->again, I've been playing longer then you've even heard of the game and I have contributed more to NS's growth then you could ever hope to accomplish.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Plus you still havent responded to the fact that a 3jumps was included in the GUI when TFC was played at the CPL for $10,000 on LAN.
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More importantly, this just divides the community more. Look Cal won't take bunnyhop script away, yet many servers will. And when you say use the Mouse wheel. Well in my opinion the mouse wheel has a much greater use then for bunnyhopping. And what that is i won't tell you. I do not even use the mouse to shoot...
Yet you all assume to use the mouse wheel. Well here is a question for you. What difference does it make if one uses the mouse wheel from the script beside preference? None, just ignorance of others.
Edit: and don't forget how helpful the bunnyhop script is for a lerk. Because you don't have to waste your fingers on clicking to many times.
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I said raciest because, well, quite frankly I didn't know what the hell you said, because it was edited when I came back. I made an educated guess and it would appear I was close. So, excuse me for not repeating what you said verbatim.
I don't have a problem with what I refer to as 'normal scripting'. Which is where things such as reporting in scripts, team selection scripts and status scripts are used. I like them and quite frankly, if there was a way to keep them and still block other kinds of scripts, I'd be all for it. But you can't. Things like a leap+bite script, bhop script and pistol fire script <b>need to go</b>. Apparently, I'm not the only who thought so, seeing as how it was removed.
You can sit there and show how awesome you are at games and make fun of people who say using scripts requires no skill all you want. Doesn't matter that you don't provide any proof to back up your claim, just call them lots of names, that'll keep them quiet.
The simple fact is if you can do more commands with less button presses - less skill is required. That is a simple <b>fact</b>. whether or not you want to acknowledge it or not is irrelevant. It takes more skill to press the mouse button multiple times with a pistol and keep you're crosshair on target, then it does to just point your crosshair there and press 1 button. It's a simple fact and its irrefutable.
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Uh...
From Clanbase OpenCup (the current one):
mp_blockscripts 1
mp_consistency 1
Don't know what your league references are though :)
lol, are you actually trying to start a 'if you prevent me from having an advantage, you're a commie' campaign or something?
First of all, why are you using mwheel to jump and using a script if you can't notice a difference?
Second of all, a script isn't a "set of controls".
Third, if you can't notice that one requires more skill then the other, then theres seriously something wrong with you. Using a 3-jump script makes bhopping much easier and succesful much more often.
I'm not against 3-jump scripts. Just don't deny that they make up for a lack of skill.
BAN MOUSEWHEELS <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
If you need to use the mouse wheel as a crutch for your lack of skill, then that's your problem.
I'd prefer to play the game how Flayra intended and I guarantee he didn't have in mind people using the mouse wheel to do any actions faster then would normaly be allowed. Such as firing a pistol or jumping.
lol, are you actually trying to start a 'if you prevent me from having an advantage, you're a commie' campaign or something? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If customization is an advantage, then yes. Let's remove all forms of customization, it's evil !
EDIT: More proof that scripts are evil :
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><Swirl> ive got a script that lets my **** glow blue in the dark<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
As you can see, scripting = cheating. Case closed.
You seem to be missing the point.
I know Flayra doesn't mind a model replacement. He'd probably prefer you just used the one that came with his game, but hes not against lets say, an alien model instead of a skulk (unless its bigger and would give an advantage someone who's using a default model wouldn't have, but that's another story.)
What he is against is people <b>exploiting</b> the opportunity to use custom things. Such as removing the view model of the skulk - so the mouth doesn't close and block their screen. I assume you think that's ok? To have one player be able to see fine while bitting away while another has to deal with the view model?
That's why things like this happen. Not because Flayra doesn't want you to customize the game to fit you. It's because there are a few **** out there that like to exploit any advantage they can get. And unfortunately the only way to prevent those people, is to remove the capability all together.
I'm sorry you fail to see that.
You seem to be missing the point.
I know Flayra doesn't mind a model replacement. He'd probably prefer you just used the one that came with his game, but hes not against lets say, an alien model instead of a skulk (unless its bigger and would give an advantage someone who's using a default model wouldn't have, but that's another story.)
What he is against is people <b>exploiting</b> the opportunity to use custom things. Such as removing the view model of the skulk - so the mouth doesn't close and block their screen. I assume you think that's ok? To have one player be able to see fine while bitting away while another has to deal with the view model?
That's why things like this happen. Not because Flayra doesn't want you to customize the game to fit you. It's because there are a few **** out there that like to exploit any advantage they can get. And unfortunately the only way to prevent those people, is to remove the capability all together.
I'm sorry you fail to see that. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
So because I use scripts, you assume I must like to remove the skulk teeth while biting ?
Can you name <b>exploitive</b> scripts (besides the leap script which sucks, and the thing you call a bhop script) ?
By the way, there are no scripts that bunnyhop for you. There is something called a jump script that repeats the jump command quickly several times to help you time your jumps.
And I'm sorry I fail to understand your superior and flawless logic.
Nice, call them ignorant for trying to stop people exploiting rather then just letting anyone have what ever they wanted. Lord knows they wouldn't want to be called stupid, that's sure to make them change it back.
And new players <b>don't</b> <i>have</i> to switch their mouse wheel to +jump. I've been playing NS since before you even heard about it and not once have I ever used any script or mwheel for anything other then nextinv and previnv.
You can play the game <b>just fine</b> without the use of any scripts at all.
Can you name <b>exploitive</b> scripts (besides the leap script which sucks, and the thing you call a bhop script) ?
By the way, there are no scripts that bunnyhop for you. There is something called a jump script that repeats the jump command quickly several times to help you time your jumps.
And I'm sorry I fail to understand your superior and flawless logic. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I wasn't saying that you remove the skulks teeth because you use scripts. You missed the point of my post completely.
The point was - people exploit the options Flayra decided to leave in to let people customize their game. So, to prevent the exploits, he removes the option.
I can name three right off the top of my head. Pistol fire script, Leap+bite script and the bhop 'timing' script.
I don't know why you say "besides" those scripts - they are perfect examples of why it was needed to change. Because you don't want to acknowledge them doesn't make them any less substantial.
And it doesn't matter if the script will bhop for you or not - its spamming jump with the press of one key, instead of you relying on a script for timing, you should actually practice jumping till you get it right.
I don't think they're listening, this has been suggested too many times by too many people to be simply overlooked <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
p.s. as soon as I see someone mention leap/bite scripts in the context of gaining an advantage their credability takes an impressive fall. They are completely useless unless you have some kind of crazy keyboard setup where you can't reach the slot1 and slot3 buttons (or if you're too stupid to put on fastswitch).
note that you have to be holding crouch and strafe while you jump.
you've played since before i've heard about it, so i'm sure you're very good at this game! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I do and I do it without the use of any scripts.
Perhaps it's not perfect all the time and perhaps it's not as fast as if I used a script, but the fact is, I can still do it.
Holding crouch and strafing isn't hard .. I guess I don't understand the point you are trying to make there.
And I never said I was the best, but I am proof that anyone can play the game without any script use what so ever.
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If you need to use the mouse wheel as a crutch for your lack of skill, then that's your problem.
I'd prefer to play the game how Flayra intended and I guarantee he didn't have in mind people using the mouse wheel to do any actions faster then would normaly be allowed. Such as firing a pistol or jumping. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
rofl this guy is a PT... sad.
learn to play before you make judgements maybe?
If scripts don't work, the server admin purposly enabled it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Care to explain my mwheel still works with it on?
learn to play before you make judgements maybe? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
learn to play ..? lol.
again, I've been playing longer then you've even heard of the game and I have contributed more to NS's growth then you could ever hope to accomplish.
What about anything I said insinuates I don't know how to play?
AHAHAHAHHAHA HAHAHA
leap/bite is the worst script EVER, and anyone who uses it is the biggest newbie. PERIOD. WHY DO PEOPLE STILL THINK THIS?
pistol script sucks.
The only useful script that people (who are much better and more experienced than you) are complaining about is 3jump. All it does is HELP you time your jumps while bhopping... it's not a bhop script. All it does is make it possible to bhop w/o using the mwheel.
Don't tell me that the officla "bhop is ok" goes well with making jumps harder to time. It doesn't really make bhop available to the regular player, which is exactly what oh so many people in this very forum complained about half a year ago.
Just .. cause they thought it would be funny?
learn to play before you make judgements maybe? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
learn to play ..? lol.
again, I've been playing longer then you've even heard of the game and I have contributed more to NS's growth then you could ever hope to accomplish.
What about anything I said insinuates I don't know how to play? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
What insinuates that you don't know how to play is that you reject a script that TFC used (a game with bhop!) in THE OFFICIAL CPL GUI WHILE PLAYING FOR TEN THOUSAND DOLLARS ON A LAN.
Also, you are arrogant.
Third, if you can't notice that one requires more skill then the other, then theres seriously something wrong with you. Using a 3-jump script makes bhopping much easier and succesful much more often. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Huh, so going into windows settings and having my mwheel spam 3 zillion commands a move, plus getting a mouse whose wheel works smoothly is more skillful than binding a key to triplejump - although it spams less commands over a shorter period of time.
I also love the babbling of "OGM GET SOME SKILL", mostly by people that with or without triplejump couldn't keep up with most of the people that are annoyed by the mp_blockscripts implementation. Yes, lets get some skill and suck like you.
learn to play before you make judgements maybe? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
learn to play ..? lol.
again, I've been playing longer then you've even heard of the game and I have contributed more to NS's growth then you could ever hope to accomplish.
What about anything I said insinuates I don't know how to play? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Do you even know who nadagast is?
Can you name <b>exploitive</b> scripts (besides the leap script which sucks, and the thing you call a bhop script) ?
By the way, there are no scripts that bunnyhop for you. There is something called a jump script that repeats the jump command quickly several times to help you time your jumps.
And I'm sorry I fail to understand your superior and flawless logic. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I wasn't saying that you remove the skulks teeth because you use scripts. You missed the point of my post completely.
The point was - people exploit the options Flayra decided to leave in to let people customize their game. So, to prevent the exploits, he removes the option.
I can name three right off the top of my head. Pistol fire script, Leap+bite script and the bhop 'timing' script.
I don't know why you say "besides" those scripts - they are perfect examples of why it was needed to change. Because you don't want to acknowledge them doesn't make them any less substantial.
And it doesn't matter if the script will bhop for you or not - its spamming jump with the press of one key, instead of you relying on a script for timing, you should actually practice jumping till you get it right. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>Such as removing the view model of the skulk - so the mouth doesn't close and block their screen. I assume you think that's ok?</span><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Then why do you assume I think it's ok ? Do you know me ?
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I can name three right off the top of my head. Pistol fire script, Leap+bite script and the bhop 'timing' script.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
1. Pistol fire : ok now shooting fast with your pistol is an exploit. I could bind +attack to mousewheel but I prefer having +jump bound to my mousewheel.
2. Leap+bite : stupid thing . It doesn't give any advantage, it's a big disadvantage. It leaps and makes you bite immediately. For this to work your the distance between you and your target must always be the same. You're better off using hud_fastswitch 1 and the weapon slot keys (1-2-3-4).
3. bhop 'timing' : why do you put timing between brackets ? It is indeed a timing script. It doesn't jump several times for you.
<!--c1--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>CODE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='CODE'><!--ec1-->alias +hop "+jump;wait;-jump;wait;+jump;wait;-jump;wait;+jump"
alias -hop "-jump"<!--c2--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--ec2-->
This is a jump timing script. It doesn't jump for you 3 times btw.
And if some things are exploitive, why not block the actual exploits instead of all the scripts at the same time ?
I'm sorry if I fail to see how these scripts are exploitive and should be blocked.
EDIT : Ooops we are all wrong because MR. is a PT and 'played the game before we even heard of it'. Sorry Silver Fox.
I fail to see why knowing the name of one player over the thousand that play this game has any relevance what so ever.
I know a lot of names of old play testers and contributers to NS that you've never heard of. What's your point?
I fail to see why knowing the name of one player over the thousand that play this game has any relevance what so ever.
I know a lot of names of old play testers and contributers to NS that you've never heard of. What's your point? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
No, I asked the question because if you really knew anything about NS you'd know right away who nadagast is.
I am someone who gave a lot of their time to NS and being told I don't know how to play or that what I think or suggest will make NS worse, makes me defensive.
The fact that I am pointing out how long I've been playing is simply to prove that I know how to play.
You seem to insinuate I don't, so I tell you how long I've been playing. And now I'm arrogant?
Not just is your argument "Get skill" futile, hypocritical and pretty amusing - but it also doesn't even begin to address why blockscripts in its current form is supposed to make any sense, how mwheel is different from a triplejump and why adding the requirement to know how to configure your mouse and windows to bunnyhop is a good addition to NS, a game in which bunnyhopping is an intentional feature.
I am someone who gave a lot of their time to NS and being told I don't know how to play or that what I think or suggest will make NS worse, makes me defensive.
The fact that I am pointing out how long I've been playing is simply to prove that I know how to play.
You seem to insinuate I don't, so I tell you how long I've been playing. And now I'm arrogant? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
No, this makes you look arrogant.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->again, I've been playing longer then you've even heard of the game and I have contributed more to NS's growth then you could ever hope to accomplish.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Plus you still havent responded to the fact that a 3jumps was included in the GUI when TFC was played at the CPL for $10,000 on LAN.