Bush Wins

NeonSpyder · November 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (version91x @ Nov 3 2004, 02:52 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> NeonSpyder I just didn't understand about the whole metaphorical cookie thing, and then I had a little rant.
edit: the sandwich/desert explaination didn't help really. Terrorists would rather steal then do the work for themselves? Or is it that terrorists would rather die than see someone with more than they have?  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
it's a little of both, due to the unattainable nature of what america (or anyone else for that matter) has it is a combination of resentment and envy that escalates to hatred and eventually to extreme vehemence that spurs their irrational desire to deliver their message of hate.

yeah well, one of the easiest ways for me to explain things is in metaphors <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' />

UltimaGecko · November 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NeonSpyder @ Nov 3 2004, 02:55 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> alright, it has become clear to me that using the term "freedom" was a bad choice, from here on i will be using the term "incomprehensible value of physical and moral qualities"  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Well, it's good those aren't intangible, self-attainable things aswell...oh wait.

My theory: They're extremists of their religion who don't even follow its teachings properly, enthralled by a charismatic leader who is in search of martyrdom and fame - while shielding themselves under the guise of 'fighting the machine' that's out to manipulate the world.

...well, something like that...I need to sleep.

Commander_JAG · November 2004

SO your statement about America surrounding the (Cookie) with barbed wire tanks isnt true.

They do envy how we are and instead of making themselves like us, they want to take steal it from us?

moultano · November 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Commander JAG @ Nov 3 2004, 02:41 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> When did we kill all the terrorists children?

I dont understand.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Learn some ***king history.

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mullet @ Nov 3 2004, 02:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TommyVercetti @ Nov 3 2004, 12:17 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (xioutlawix @ Nov 3 2004, 02:10 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I'm still waiting for my personal apology along the lines of,

"Ok, so maybe there weren't any WMD's." </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
I'm still waiting for the apology and resignation for losing the lives of over a thousand American soldiers for no legit reason. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
You know....your right! I hate when we go to war and people <i>DIE</i>! Jeez I thought war and death had nothing in common!</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Notice the "legit reason" component of the statement.

Rellix · November 2004

Unfortunitly I think Bush will win. Personaly i dont agree with 2 party politics since both parties seem to have forgoten their roots and moved to what voters want making them almost identical.

That and the president affects the whole world.

NeonSpyder · November 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Commander JAG @ Nov 3 2004, 03:01 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> SO your statement about America surrounding the (Cookie) with barbed wire tanks isnt true.

They do envy how we are and instead of making themselves like us, they want to take steal it from us?  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
gah! i was using exaggeration about the tanks and barbed wire, i meant to exaggerate the "unattainable" aspect of how impossible it is to take what it is america has, due to the amount of protection they have in place and stringent immigration laws, though that doesn't seem to stop them anyway.

in any case, it is still impossible for them to take "incomprehensible value of physical and moral qualities" in any real way.

they do not want to be like you, they simply want what you have, ("incomprehensible value of physical and moral qualities") also due to environmental, economic and social differences it is difficult for them to "make it themselves".

it really all just comes down to people being insane, with a combination of what Ultimate Gecko said

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>My theory: They're extremists of their religion who don't even follow its teachings properly, enthralled by a charismatic leader who is in search of martyrdom and fame - while shielding themselves under the guise of 'fighting the machine' that's out to manipulate the world.
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it's all a rich tapestry of problems within humanity <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' />

Commander_JAG · November 2004

Ok I would like to learn some history.

I know there are casualties in war, some of them civilian, sometimes children. War is hell.

However I would like to know where we killed mass amounts of children (accident or otherwise) and tick off the world. Maybe its obvious to you but I haven't even heard of this where did you get your information?

Jim_has_Skillz · November 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Commander JAG @ Nov 2 2004, 11:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> When did we kill all the terrorists children?

When did we bother them when they decided to attack on 9/11 and murder 3000 people?

I dont understand.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Just so you know, Iraq didn't attack us on 9/11, that was Osama bin Laden. In fact there was no relation to 9/11 and Iraq and that has been proven.

Plus, killing anywhere from 10,000 - 100,000 innocent civilians is not a great way of returning the favor in any sense. But the fact that they weren't a part of 9/11 only makes that worse.

Also for whoever said that the 'terrorists' are going to attack us no matter what; they want us to leave the Middle East basically. They want us to remove ourselves from that area and remove any ties that we have(like Israel). If we did that, I am damn sure we wouldn't be attacked by anymore 'terrorists'.

NeonSpyder · November 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Rellix @ Nov 3 2004, 03:12 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Unfortunitly I think Bush will win. Personaly i dont agree with 2 party politics since both parties seem to have forgoten their roots and moved to what voters want making them almost identical.

That and the president affects the whole world.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Election 2004 -- America Flips a Coin

and yes, sadly the president of america does affect the whole world, and that is even more of a reason that the world will end up disliking america as much as it already despises its president.

I don't have the exact figures or the source on me, but official state regulated elections are taking place in various countries around the world and the results were showing that the majority favoured kerry at 48%, 36% nader and 6% bush (or some where around those figures)

don't quote me on that, but the results were similar to that.

NeonSpyder · November 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Jim has Skillz @ Nov 3 2004, 03:16 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Also for whoever said that the 'terrorists' are going to attack us no matter what; they want us to leave the Middle East basically. They want us to remove ourselves from that area and remove any ties that we have(like Israel). If we did that, I am damn sure we wouldn't be attacked by anymore 'terrorists'.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
i agree completely, more so everyday i see more terrorits blowing their idiot selves up and i think to myself "fine! **** you too!" and wishing that everyone would just get their butts out of iraw and isreal and everywhere and then say to them "this is what you wanted? huh? is it? we're gone now, blow yourselves up until the cows come home freaking retards"

its a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. i've been seeing a lot of those lately

Redford · November 2004

249/242. If bush takes every state except Iowa and Ohio, it will be 269/242, and you need 270 to win. So you might not get your results today. Or tomorrow. Or for a while.

panda_de_malheureux · November 2004

Lots of world polls have shown Kerry in the lead if the world had the vote.

<a href='http://www.theworldvotes.org/images/finalpoll_q2.gif' target='_blank'>http://www.theworldvotes.org/images/finalpoll_q2.gif</a>

First result on google.

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>i agree completely, more so everyday i see more terrorits blowing their idiot selves up and i think to myself "fine! **** you too!" and wishing that everyone would just get their butts out of iraw and isreal and everywhere and then say to them "this is what you wanted? huh? is it? we're gone now, blow yourselves up until the cows come home freaking retards"</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

If you seriously think that if you drop a middle eastern terrorist in a US playground with an ak that he will open fire, you must watch a lot of Fox News.

TommyVercetti · November 2004

Yes, but of course they don't want to take the "global test." Oh no, seeking approval from the rest of the Earth's inhabitants won't making anything easier, it'll just hand over the keys to America to some strange foreigners.

But wait... doesn't Saudi Arabia own the US?

NeonSpyder · November 2004

and those people who've been saying "a vote for nader is a vote for bush" or something along those lines aren't exactly correct but the idea is sound. right now voting for nader is a precious vote away from kerry because right now it is too dangerous to not vote for kerry, nowhere near enough people will vote for nader because he's third party, and the race between kerry and bush is so close that kerry needs all the votes he can get because as has been stated before if bush wins america is going to get bonsai raped.

TommyVercetti · November 2004

Well at least I know I did my part. I convinced my neighbor to vote for Kerry by simply stating that "This is New York. Republicans don't count.'

Commander_JAG · November 2004

Ok neon so from what i understand from what you say.

The Terrorists are envious and want what we have and will kill us to get it.

Same thing as I want the dollar my brother has so instead of getting a job and making my own dollar, i'll just kill my brother and take his?

Seems the only way to save ourselves is to kill them first from what you seem to point to.

TommyVercetti · November 2004

I think there are two kinds of terrorists. The leaders, people like Bin Laden, are trying to get the US and everything involved with the US out of the Middle East completely. That means no ties to Israel or Saudia Arabia. The second type is the fanatic. These are the Islamic extremists who regularly plant bombs and such. Sometimes they are independant, but they are easily manipulable by groups such as Al Qaeda to be used as completely loyal and very determined agents.

This is just my analysis based on what I've read and seen on the news, it may not be completely accurate but I hope it helps.

NeonSpyder · November 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (version91x @ Nov 3 2004, 03:23 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> If you seriously think that if you drop a middle eastern terrorist in a US playground with an ak that he will open fire, you must watch a lot of Fox News.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
no thats not what i think at all, these people do this for reasons, very twisted reasons, but reasons nonetheless, besides i have no idea how you got that idea from what i've posted. or... maybe you weren't talking to me.

Commander_JAG · November 2004

So there it is. Israel.

They hate Israel, We support Israel, therefore terrorists hate us. This is mostlikely one of the biggest reasons they hate us, apart from what we have.

So should we leave Israel (a democracy) or stand with our ally and fight these morons off?

NeonSpyder · November 2004

and commander jag you are taking what i say very litteraly and not reading anything other then at face value, please for the sake of letting me go watch some tv pretend you understand what i'm saying, people kill other people for the change in their wallet or the VCR in their house, it all depends on the psychology of the person! rational people won't kill or injure another person to acquire wealth or other things of value, however anti-social or deranged people, or anyone else who is not able to think rationally will do irrational things if told to do it by someone who according to their ingrained beliefs are a prominant or important person or if it serves that persons thoughts of self preservation or greed. people did it during the crusades, and people are doing it now.

**edited to clear a few things up

Commander_JAG · November 2004

Well neon I believe I understand, I dont know how to take it any other way currently call me stupid <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' />.

Anyway I just gona say I believe IRAQ harbored terrorists and that it aided them. Maybe not in 9/11, maybe not Osama's terrorists, but it aided some, there is proof of this. And this isnt a war against Osama is a war against All terrorists.

Anyway thats what I think and how I look at it.

Its been fun debating (really it has) but im tired and going to bed.

Epidemic · November 2004

Well, I think bush is gonna win! So I think I should give my thanks to those who helped vote anti-bush by doing <i>stuff</i> <--- Totally non-subliminal

Javert · November 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (moultano @ Nov 2 2004, 10:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (funbags @ Nov 3 2004, 01:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I don't care what you guys think of Bush. You're going to have to get over it when Bush wins. Sorry. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
If he wins, I'm rioting at his inauguration.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
I shall join you.

Marine0I · November 2004

Hi. I'm a Christian, Bush loving fundamentalist. I dislike his financial handling of your singularily excellent country, and I regret he chose WMD as the major plank for Iraq rather than liberation - but I cant get enough of his moral beliefs, his definition of marriage between a man and a woman, his opposition to abortion, and his belief in the living God. The presence of a spine demonstrated in flipping the world the bird when attacking Iraq still makes me sing inside when I think of it.

I am not a graceful winner. In. Your. Face. Liberals.

If a miracle occurs and Bush loses, you may feel free to hound me ceaselessly. You may now proceed to hate. I dont care. I won.

NeonSpyder · November 2004

well i can't wait for america to go up in flames, it'll warm us canadians up nice and toasty while global warming causes the ice caps to melt which will cause a chain reaction catapulting oceanic currents into wayward flows or ceasing altogether, sending the world into another ice age.

but us canadians (and the more glowing among you americans) will be toasted nicely by the nuclear fallout.

UZi · November 2004

This is one victory, but the war isn't over.

We can rest assured there won't be a draft. Unlike Kerry who signaled it.

Congradulations Bush,

To the anti-Bush crowd, well, you had it coming. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />

NeonSpyder · November 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Marine01 @ Nov 3 2004, 04:01 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Hi. I'm a Christian, Bush loving fundamentalist. I dislike his financial handling of your singularily excellent country, and I regret he chose WMD as the major plank for Iraq rather than liberation - but I cant get enough of his moral beliefs, his definition of marriage between a man and a woman, his opposition to abortion, and his belief in the living God. The presence of a spine demonstrated in flipping the world the bird when attacking Iraq still makes me sing inside when I think of it.

I am not a graceful winner. In. Your. Face. Liberals.

If a miracle occurs and Bush loses, you may feel free to hound me ceaselessly. You may now proceed to hate. I dont care. I won. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
... if any of that was serious i am going to be physically ill.

**edit i just realized that <i>all</i> of that was serious and i am now going to have to vomit most violantly.

Epidemic · November 2004

Gracefully, oh war. It's just a matter of conviction, no hard toil that must be paid. Nub decision made by gg commandors.

EDIT: Please dont take another dump, my liberal face is full of conservative wrinkels.

Scribbles · November 2004

75% of the world population out of the US is rooting for Kerry.

Offcourse, the only reason they want Kerry in the white house is because Bush screwed things up internationally. AKA they could care less about Kerry's plan for the US, they just want Bush out.

Truth is, the problems Bush has created for the US are of such a magnitude, that even if Kerry gets elected, he wouldn't be able to fix them in the 4 years he would have. In that sense, it doesn't matter who gets elected, because the problems wont get fixed anyway.

I didn't pay too much mind to the election campaigns, since lets be honest, does the elected president ever actually fullfill his promises he makes before the elections? Not really...

If Kerry wins, that would be great. Though it wouldn't be as important as everyone seems to think.
If Bush wins, that'd be great too, since he will then be able to fix his mistakes and show the world that he isn't such a badguy afterall.

50/50 for me at the moment. No real favorite.
I'm content with either candidate winning.

antifreeze · November 2004

Its quite a disturbing thought that he's getting in again. Don't know if you american's can get it but try get a hold of Dead Ringers the Election special. Very funny! Might be on whatever bbc station you get over there.

<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /> <span style='color:red'>Bush</span> | <span style='color:blue'>Kerry</span> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' />

Bush Wins

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