<!--QuoteBegin-MedHead+Jan 18 2005, 05:26 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MedHead @ Jan 18 2005, 05:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-CForrester+Jan 18 2005, 05:23 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CForrester @ Jan 18 2005, 05:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'm referring to public places, mostly. If I'm walking on the sidewalk, in a school, in a mall, etc... and people are offended, I won't care. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I would like clarification; does this sentiment only cover the swastika, or is this true for everything you do in public? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Pretty much everything, as long as I'm not breaking the law. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> Though I don't generally do things that tend to offend people. I'm mostly quiet, really.
Presonally it does not offend me< hough onto another off potic i must admit prince harry kinda chose a bad out fit thought he does have the right to be a normaly lad but he still has a duty to be a prince ? so which is it or are we not meant to respect our moneerqcy - sorry for spelling
Some people <i>will</i> be offended by it and others won't. You have to use your...good...judgment when dealing with things like this. You can't blame someone who has lived through WWII or who likes Arnold for being offended by that picture, it basically comes down to knowing the person who your dealing with and how they will react to certain things.
I'm not going to run up to Catholic priest and show him a picture of Jesus and Hitler holding hands and expect him not to be offended.
<!--QuoteBegin-Shockwave+Jan 18 2005, 06:16 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Shockwave @ Jan 18 2005, 06:16 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I only find it offensive that people jump onto the bandwagon of getting offended any time they see a swastika, anywhere.
1. It's a f***ing geometric shape, get over it. (Remember when DOOM got itself banned in Germany for having a floor pattern of one?)
2. The swastika actually has a long & noble history prior to it's use by nazi Germany. It's a common heraldric emblem for many houses who were forced to dispense with it in the wave of anti-nazi sentiment that has occupied the 20th century.
- Shockwave <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> That's because in Germany I think it's the law that Nazi symbols are NOT allowed. It may have been a condition of surrender, I'm not sure.
It's not the shape itself, HE'S CALLING ARNIE A NAZI. There are no two bits about it. How could you NOT think that's politically incorrect? (which, by the way, is different from good taste, i'd say)
It sounds like CForrester is using the swastika as a shock image and a way to be a ****. Someone sees it, assumes what it is commonly associated with in our societies, and gets shocked. He then smugly explains that no, they're wrong and he's right, it's actually an obscure reference to another culture's innocent symbology. You mentioned before that you use it because of personal reasons, but I feel that you didn't emphasise that excuse enough for me to believe that it's the entire truth. Besides, there's about a 90% chance that you found the symbol's real meaning through the nazi's association with it, not the other way around. You're sounding too arrogant for me to honestly think that you're sincere about it being purely for personal meaning.
Back to the original topic [before it went on a wide tangent]:
The image and reference will be offensive to the people who were affected by whatever it is you're referring to. Here's a hypothetical scenario for you:
You know two people. One is just a normal teenager, visits SA.com, has 2 gigs of porn and listens to metallica for some strange reason.
Another is a 30 year old mother who has recently lost both her children in a house fire.
You get the great idea to draw a comic about setting someone's house on fire so that you could have a barbeque and eat the occupants. Then you show it to both your friends.
Pop quiz:
Will anyone get offended? Who will it be? Do they have the right to be offended?
NeonSpyder"Das est NTLDR?"Join Date: 2003-07-03Member: 17913Members
i am sorry if i offended you lieutenant realness, the whole point of this thread was to gauge everyone's reactions to the image, if you want me to take it down and burn it i will, <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> but keep in mind that this is designed as a bit of fun, and not to be taken seriously, take it that way if you must but... just look at arnie's face, isn't he comical? let's all just sit down, grab a pint and relax a little... and chuckle with each other about the funny governer.
NeonSpyder"Das est NTLDR?"Join Date: 2003-07-03Member: 17913Members
oh maaaaan, that is awful hahahahahah... yeah, that bill gates picture is just awesome. awful and awesome at the same time <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
hehe that's exactly what I thought <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I think it all comes down to the context the symbol is used in. In some cases, someone could, yes, be offended. Its quite obvious that the picture above is refering to Nazism, and someone that was effected, holocaust or otherwise, would not take it lightly or as a joke. But in other context its not offensive, like Shockwave is pointing out, the swasticka is still in use in some places, and is not considered offensive.
What this is boiling down to is not the swasticka itself, but if a symbol can still be offensive even though its past image was different from what it may mean today. The answer is yes and no, and it depends on who views it. Your both right, pipe down before you lose some friends over a silly photoshop.
I've had a few people question me why I will have drawn a Swastika. I just give them a smile, send them packing to ManWomens main website and they tend to understand very quickly why. Im just hoping NemesisZero or Flayra respond to my PM's again so I can actually get this Hindu Swastika as my avatar.
Ex <a href='http://www.babadbali.com/image/bullet/swastika150.gif' target='_blank'>http://www.babadbali.com/image/bullet/swastika150.gif</a> (Bigger than what it would be but just so I can give a clear presentation)
I just hope some day people will stop viewing it as 'evil' unless of course you have it on a white circle, red background flag its obvious your using it as a NeoNazi cause. Or spray painting it on a Jewish Temple, I think you get the picture. Its a good luck symbol until you start using it for bad causes. Im sure you get the picture ^.^ Im in a rush typing this <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-emperor awesome+Jan 18 2005, 06:26 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (emperor awesome @ Jan 18 2005, 06:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It sounds like CForrester is using the swastika as a shock image and a way to be a ****. Someone sees it, assumes what it is commonly associated with in our societies, and gets shocked. He then smugly explains that no, they're wrong and he's right, it's actually an obscure reference to another culture's innocent symbology. You mentioned before that you use it because of personal reasons, but I feel that you didn't emphasise that excuse enough for me to believe that it's the entire truth. Besides, there's about a 90% chance that you found the symbol's real meaning through the nazi's association with it, not the other way around. You're sounding too arrogant for me to honestly think that you're sincere about it being purely for personal meaning. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> You can think that if you like. I don't really care. I came here and simply stated the facts and, as I said before, your opinion doesn't effect me in any way. I know the truth and that's what matters to me.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Like CForrester I draw Swastika's all the time. Plan on possibly getting a small tatoo in black in white.
Like this <a href='http://www.manwoman.net/manny/backtattoo.jpg' target='_blank'>http://www.manwoman.net/manny/backtattoo.jpg</a>
Aka 'Gentle Swastika'<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Are you really sure that you want doves on your back? <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> Think about this before getting ANY tattoo: You're stuck with it, and anyone you have sex with is going to <i>see</i> the tattoo. Personally, I'd rather stick with temporary tattoos or drawing on my arm with Sharpies. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Duo, could you send me a PM with their response, please?
<!--QuoteBegin-Phur Instinkt+Jan 18 2005, 03:55 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Phur Instinkt @ Jan 18 2005, 03:55 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> racism= banned im waiting for this thread to be locked. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Only thing offensive in this entire thread.
<!--QuoteBegin-CForrester+Jan 19 2005, 06:51 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CForrester @ Jan 19 2005, 06:51 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> your opinion doesn't effect me in any way. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> This is the whole problem for me. At least you have the common decency to respect the owner of a place though.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Are you really sure that you want doves on your back? Think about this before getting ANY tattoo: You're stuck with it, and anyone you have sex with is going to see the tattoo. Personally, I'd rather stick with temporary tattoos or drawing on my arm with Sharpies.
Duo, could you send me a PM with their response, please? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well as ManWomen said it. Its the best representation he could think of without anyone thinking the Swastika is evil. As we all know Doves are pretty much used as a sign of peace in some way. (Even in Mars Attacks haha) Plus Im wasn't planning on having a gigantic huge Swastika tatoo. Maybe a small one say only a few inches by few inches. Not the size he has thats way to big for me.
"My back bears the Gentle Swastika full of doves. I wanted to gain sympathy for this endangered symbol. I wanted to create a swastika that even a Jew could love." -Manwoman (Manny)
Would be his exact quote.
And onto the sex thing. If you love someone so much and they care about your feelings. Understand your visions and lifestyle and you explain to them why you like X symbol. I don't think they would care but embrace you. So if they arent willing to accept your symbol of peace and whatnot than I guess you weren't ment for each other.
For the pm's your asking, are you talking about the ones I sent to Nem/Flayra?Because only Nem has replied. Although he hasnt replied to my latest one (WHERE ARE YOU) I wish he would :/
<!--QuoteBegin-DuoGodOfDeath+Jan 19 2005, 01:59 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DuoGodOfDeath @ Jan 19 2005, 01:59 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> And onto the sex thing. If you love someone so much and they care about your feelings. Understand your visions and lifestyle and you explain to them why you like X symbol. I don't think they would care but embrace you. So if they arent willing to accept your symbol of peace and whatnot than I guess you weren't ment for each other. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> *grins* That's true, although I don't think that there can <i>only</i> be sex with love.
<!--QuoteBegin-Align+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Align)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->QUOTE (CForrester @ Jan 19 2005, 06:51 AM) your opinion doesn't effect me in any way.
This is the whole problem for me. At least you have the common decency to respect the owner of a place though. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I do respect people and their property and would most likely stop something, at least temporarily, if they asked me politely. (For example, if an old person came up to me and asked me not to wear a swastika pin around them, I would explain my usage of it to them. If they were still bothered by it, I would remove it until one of us has left.)
But still... The current style (at least around here) is to wear your pants like... halfway down your legs, with shorts on under. Should they have to pull their pants up all the way if someone is offended or annoyed? I don't see why. They're not hurting anyone and neither am I.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->A symbol has no power to mean anything unless you give it that power- in and such you can also strip it of such power...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Right. I'd say that it's about time that we stripped the swastika of its association with evil in some countries. The swastika hasn't, however, lost the power of its original meaning. It's still in use in most of the world. (Asia being a good example. Throughout Asia, the swastika is not a symbol of hate, fear and evil. And Asia is <i>huge</i>. Even in Japan, a country directly involved in the war, it isn't. It's a Buddhist symbol. It has even been on Pokémon cards.)
<!--QuoteBegin-Spacer+Jan 18 2005, 06:25 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Spacer @ Jan 18 2005, 06:25 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> That's nothing, this is way more offensive:
<img src='http://www.another-world.org.uk/spacer/lolnoled.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> haha that picture is genius <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I do respect people and their property and would most likely stop something, at least temporarily, if they asked me politely. (For example, if an old person came up to me and asked me not to wear a swastika pin around them, I would explain my usage of it to them. If they were still bothered by it, I would remove it until one of us has left.)<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Then I am content.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->But still... The current style (at least around here) is to wear your pants like... halfway down your legs, with shorts on under. Should they have to pull their pants up all the way if someone is offended or annoyed? I don't see why. They're not hurting anyone and neither am I.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->Ah, but it's not as serious if someone is nonsensically offended by something. The swastika is directly linked to the "OMG NAZI" center in our brains, because of history, but I doubt theres any immediate link to badness for pance. Or most anything else. In fact, the only other symbols that come to mind, is genitalia. That would make people stare.
I didn't find it offensive but I know what it represents when used in that context.
I do however get a little annoyed when people jump on the band wagon and start flaming when ever something like this crops up be it in the paper (prince harry) on a forum like this. Yes the holocaust was a bad thing but there have been other events in the past that have happened and been just as bad or sometimes worse yet we never hear anywhere near as much about them as we do about the "holocaust".
<!--QuoteBegin-Tykjen+Jan 19 2005, 05:47 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Tykjen @ Jan 19 2005, 05:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> when all the survivors of ww2 are gone, hopefully the constant reminding will be gone with it <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> You make it sound like it's a bad thing to dislike the history of the Nazi movement in World War II.
<!--QuoteBegin-CForrester+Jan 18 2005, 09:51 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CForrester @ Jan 18 2005, 09:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Think about this before getting ANY tattoo: You're stuck with it, and anyone you have sex with is going to <i>see</i> the tattoo. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Ah, this is of course assuming that Duo will have sex in his lifetime... ZING
<!--QuoteBegin-pjofsky+Jan 19 2005, 08:55 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (pjofsky @ Jan 19 2005, 08:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-CForrester+Jan 18 2005, 09:51 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CForrester @ Jan 18 2005, 09:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Think about this before getting ANY tattoo: You're stuck with it, and anyone you have sex with is going to <i>see</i> the tattoo. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Ah, this is of course assuming that Duo will have sex in his lifetime... ZING <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I thought you two were just waiting for the pink dress that he ordered to arrive?
<!--QuoteBegin-MedHead+Jan 19 2005, 08:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MedHead @ Jan 19 2005, 08:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Tykjen+Jan 19 2005, 05:47 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Tykjen @ Jan 19 2005, 05:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> when all the survivors of ww2 are gone, hopefully the constant reminding will be gone with it <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> You make it sound like it's a bad thing to dislike the history of the Nazi movement in World War II. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I thought he meant that once the WW2 survivors are gone, that we wont need to deal with WW2 history and events anymore.
Or perhaps that the History channel will cease being the "WW2 Channel"? ...Although, I have to admit it has sort of died away recently, sort of like how WW2 games were dieing away, but a resurgence seems to be on the horizon.
Either way, I think it's a pretty poor statement. Once the WW2 survivors are gone we lose a lot of first hand history sources and a view into the past - however dreadful that past may seem. WW2 is also one of the most significant events (if not the most significant) of world history and it is unlikely that it will be so easily discarded - even if the survivors are deceased.
You should be trying to remember as much as you can, not forget it as fast as possible. If I had to pick the worst aspect of human nature, I'd have to go with the fickle and forgetful aspect that focuses on the immediate future.
So, who still has their American flag up from 9/11/2001? [No, I don't, but I never had one to begin with.]
<span style='font-size:3pt;line-height:100%'>NOTE: The last statement was a rhetorical statement, and is not intended to be answered. First, because not everyone here is American and; second, because I don't want to derail the thread. </span><!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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I would like clarification; does this sentiment only cover the swastika, or is this true for everything you do in public? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Pretty much everything, as long as I'm not breaking the law. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> Though I don't generally do things that tend to offend people. I'm mostly quiet, really.
You have to use your...good...judgment when dealing with things like this.
You can't blame someone who has lived through WWII or who likes Arnold for being offended by that picture, it basically comes down to knowing the person who your dealing with and how they will react to certain things.
I'm not going to run up to Catholic priest and show him a picture of Jesus and Hitler holding hands and expect him not to be offended.
but yeah, common sense is the obvious preference here
1. It's a f***ing geometric shape, get over it. (Remember when DOOM got itself banned in Germany for having a floor pattern of one?)
2. The swastika actually has a long & noble history prior to it's use by nazi Germany. It's a common heraldric emblem for many houses who were forced to dispense with it in the wave of anti-nazi sentiment that has occupied the 20th century.
- Shockwave <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's because in Germany I think it's the law that Nazi symbols are NOT allowed. It may have been a condition of surrender, I'm not sure.
It's not the shape itself, HE'S CALLING ARNIE A NAZI. There are no two bits about it. How could you NOT think that's politically incorrect? (which, by the way, is different from good taste, i'd say)
Back to the original topic [before it went on a wide tangent]:
The image and reference will be offensive to the people who were affected by whatever it is you're referring to. Here's a hypothetical scenario for you:
You know two people. One is just a normal teenager, visits SA.com, has 2 gigs of porn and listens to metallica for some strange reason.
Another is a 30 year old mother who has recently lost both her children in a house fire.
You get the great idea to draw a comic about setting someone's house on fire so that you could have a barbeque and eat the occupants. Then you show it to both your friends.
Pop quiz:
Will anyone get offended? Who will it be? Do they have the right to be offended?
I'll let you answer that in your own time.
I'm a german myself and I can't really laugh about that pic
I definitely don't think that it's good...
maybe I'm not in the mood to laugh about it..and by the way ..you didn't offend me. I have to admit that I laughed about this pic here too ...
What this is boiling down to is not the swasticka itself, but if a symbol can still be offensive even though its past image was different from what it may mean today. The answer is yes and no, and it depends on who views it. Your both right, pipe down before you lose some friends over a silly photoshop.
Like this
<a href='http://www.manwoman.net/manny/backtattoo.jpg' target='_blank'>http://www.manwoman.net/manny/backtattoo.jpg</a>
Cooler representation
<a href='http://www.flashback.se/arkiv/pics/swastika/gentle.gif' target='_blank'>http://www.flashback.se/arkiv/pics/swastika/gentle.gif</a>
Aka 'Gentle Swastika'
I've had a few people question me why I will have drawn a Swastika. I just give them a smile, send them packing to ManWomens main website and they tend to understand very quickly why. Im just hoping NemesisZero or Flayra respond to my PM's again so I can actually get this Hindu Swastika as my avatar.
Ex
<a href='http://www.babadbali.com/image/bullet/swastika150.gif' target='_blank'>http://www.babadbali.com/image/bullet/swastika150.gif</a>
(Bigger than what it would be but just so I can give a clear presentation)
I just hope some day people will stop viewing it as 'evil' unless of course you have it on a white circle, red background flag its obvious your using it as a NeoNazi cause. Or spray painting it on a Jewish Temple, I think you get the picture. Its a good luck symbol until you start using it for bad causes. Im sure you get the picture ^.^ Im in a rush typing this <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
You can think that if you like. I don't really care. I came here and simply stated the facts and, as I said before, your opinion doesn't effect me in any way. I know the truth and that's what matters to me.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Like CForrester I draw Swastika's all the time. Plan on possibly getting a small tatoo in black in white.
Like this
<a href='http://www.manwoman.net/manny/backtattoo.jpg' target='_blank'>http://www.manwoman.net/manny/backtattoo.jpg</a>
Cooler representation
<a href='http://www.flashback.se/arkiv/pics/swastika/gentle.gif' target='_blank'>http://www.flashback.se/arkiv/pics/swastika/gentle.gif</a>
Aka 'Gentle Swastika'<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Are you really sure that you want doves on your back? <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> Think about this before getting ANY tattoo: You're stuck with it, and anyone you have sex with is going to <i>see</i> the tattoo. Personally, I'd rather stick with temporary tattoos or drawing on my arm with Sharpies. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Duo, could you send me a PM with their response, please?
im waiting for this thread to be locked. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Only thing offensive in this entire thread.
This is the whole problem for me.
At least you have the common decency to respect the owner of a place though.
Duo, could you send me a PM with their response, please? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well as ManWomen said it. Its the best representation he could think of without anyone thinking the Swastika is evil. As we all know Doves are pretty much used as a sign of peace in some way. (Even in Mars Attacks haha) Plus Im wasn't planning on having a gigantic huge Swastika tatoo. Maybe a small one say only a few inches by few inches. Not the size he has thats way to big for me.
"My back bears the Gentle Swastika full of doves. I wanted to gain sympathy for this endangered symbol. I wanted to create a swastika that even a Jew could love." -Manwoman (Manny)
Would be his exact quote.
And onto the sex thing. If you love someone so much and they care about your feelings. Understand your visions and lifestyle and you explain to them why you like X symbol. I don't think they would care but embrace you. So if they arent willing to accept your symbol of peace and whatnot than I guess you weren't ment for each other.
For the pm's your asking, are you talking about the ones I sent to Nem/Flayra?Because only Nem has replied. Although he hasnt replied to my latest one (WHERE ARE YOU) I wish he would :/
*grins* That's true, although I don't think that there can <i>only</i> be sex with love.
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your opinion doesn't effect me in any way.
This is the whole problem for me.
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I do respect people and their property and would most likely stop something, at least temporarily, if they asked me politely. (For example, if an old person came up to me and asked me not to wear a swastika pin around them, I would explain my usage of it to them. If they were still bothered by it, I would remove it until one of us has left.)
But still... The current style (at least around here) is to wear your pants like... halfway down your legs, with shorts on under. Should they have to pull their pants up all the way if someone is offended or annoyed? I don't see why. They're not hurting anyone and neither am I.
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Right. I'd say that it's about time that we stripped the swastika of its association with evil in some countries. The swastika hasn't, however, lost the power of its original meaning. It's still in use in most of the world. (Asia being a good example. Throughout Asia, the swastika is not a symbol of hate, fear and evil. And Asia is <i>huge</i>. Even in Japan, a country directly involved in the war, it isn't. It's a Buddhist symbol. It has even been on Pokémon cards.)
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haha that picture is genius <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
there's no 'o' in genius
Then I am content.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->But still... The current style (at least around here) is to wear your pants like... halfway down your legs, with shorts on under. Should they have to pull their pants up all the way if someone is offended or annoyed? I don't see why. They're not hurting anyone and neither am I.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->Ah, but it's not as serious if someone is nonsensically offended by something. The swastika is directly linked to the "OMG NAZI" center in our brains, because of history, but I doubt theres any immediate link to badness for pance. Or most anything else. In fact, the only other symbols that come to mind, is genitalia.
That would make people stare.
I do however get a little annoyed when people jump on the band wagon and start flaming when ever something like this crops up be it in the paper (prince harry) on a forum like this. Yes the holocaust was a bad thing but there have been other events in the past that have happened and been just as bad or sometimes worse yet we never hear anywhere near as much about them as we do about the "holocaust".
You make it sound like it's a bad thing to dislike the history of the Nazi movement in World War II.
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MEIN EYES! THE GOOGLES! ZEY DO NOTING!!!!!
(OLO Simpsons version of Schwazenager(sp)'s comment used to comment on RL Schwarzy!)
Ah, this is of course assuming that Duo will have sex in his lifetime... ZING
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I thought you two were just waiting for the pink dress that he ordered to arrive?
You make it sound like it's a bad thing to dislike the history of the Nazi movement in World War II. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I thought he meant that once the WW2 survivors are gone, that we wont need to deal with WW2 history and events anymore.
Or perhaps that the History channel will cease being the "WW2 Channel"? ...Although, I have to admit it has sort of died away recently, sort of like how WW2 games were dieing away, but a resurgence seems to be on the horizon.
Either way, I think it's a pretty poor statement. Once the WW2 survivors are gone we lose a lot of first hand history sources and a view into the past - however dreadful that past may seem. WW2 is also one of the most significant events (if not the most significant) of world history and it is unlikely that it will be so easily discarded - even if the survivors are deceased.
You should be trying to remember as much as you can, not forget it as fast as possible. If I had to pick the worst aspect of human nature, I'd have to go with the fickle and forgetful aspect that focuses on the immediate future.
So, who still has their American flag up from 9/11/2001?
[No, I don't, but I never had one to begin with.]
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