<!--QuoteBegin-CForrester+Jan 20 2005, 08:43 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CForrester @ Jan 20 2005, 08:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-pjofsky+Jan 19 2005, 08:55 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (pjofsky @ Jan 19 2005, 08:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-CForrester+Jan 18 2005, 09:51 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CForrester @ Jan 18 2005, 09:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Think about this before getting ANY tattoo: You're stuck with it, and anyone you have sex with is going to <i>see</i> the tattoo. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Ah, this is of course assuming that Duo will have sex in his lifetime... ZING <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I thought you two were just waiting for the pink dress that he ordered to arrive? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> :X! I THOUGHT DUO SWORE NOT TO TELL
<!--QuoteBegin-UltimaGecko+Jan 21 2005, 07:45 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (UltimaGecko @ Jan 21 2005, 07:45 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-MedHead+Jan 19 2005, 08:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MedHead @ Jan 19 2005, 08:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Tykjen+Jan 19 2005, 05:47 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Tykjen @ Jan 19 2005, 05:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> when all the survivors of ww2 are gone, hopefully the constant reminding will be gone with it <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> You make it sound like it's a bad thing to dislike the history of the Nazi movement in World War II. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I thought he meant that once the WW2 survivors are gone, that we wont need to deal with WW2 history and events anymore.
Or perhaps that the History channel will cease being the "WW2 Channel"? ...Although, I have to admit it has sort of died away recently, sort of like how WW2 games were dieing away, but a resurgence seems to be on the horizon.
Either way, I think it's a pretty poor statement. Once the WW2 survivors are gone we lose a lot of first hand history sources and a view into the past - however dreadful that past may seem. WW2 is also one of the most significant events (if not the most significant) of world history and it is unlikely that it will be so easily discarded - even if the survivors are deceased.
You should be trying to remember as much as you can, not forget it as fast as possible. If I had to pick the worst aspect of human nature, I'd have to go with the fickle and forgetful aspect that focuses on the immediate future.
So, who still has their American flag up from 9/11/2001? [No, I don't, but I never had one to begin with.]
<span style='font-size:3pt;line-height:100%'>NOTE: The last statement was a rhetorical statement, and is not intended to be answered. First, because not everyone here is American and; second, because I don't want to derail the thread. </span><!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I would consider the stupidity and ignorance of "The Great War" to be of more importance that what happened in the second world war.
I wouldn't on some levels^ The Great War may have been horrific, but it was war. WW2 was not just a war, it involved the mass execution of 6 million people, innocent people. Then theres the bombing campaigns against civiliians. I respect that WW1 was the worst war ever, but so few innocents died in it.
ok how about the genocide of natives across all of america? countless millions...and we barely are reminded of that, spite it happend ca 130 years ago.
<!--QuoteBegin-Tykjen+Jan 22 2005, 11:03 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Tykjen @ Jan 22 2005, 11:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> ok how about the genocide of natives across all of america? countless millions...and we barely are reminded of that, spite it happend ca 130 years ago. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Then there's the 12 million people that died as a result of Stalins purges never hear much about that tho either....
Or how about the millions of Irish that starved to death because of the potato famine? The blame for that lies at the feet of Great Britain yet has there ever been so much as a sorry? nope. The population of Ireland has never recovered from that tragedy.
About 2 million Armenians got marched out into the desert by Turkey to die, yet to this day they still deny it.
We never hear anything about these events, yet 6 million Jews get wiped out by Hitler and we never hear the end of it.
I'm not bashing Jews in anyway (although some people might accuse me of doing so) I just think it's unfair that other equally/more so tragic events don't get anywhere near the recognition that the "holocaust" gets.
<!--QuoteBegin-V MAN+Jan 22 2005, 05:15 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (V MAN @ Jan 22 2005, 05:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Tykjen+Jan 22 2005, 11:03 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Tykjen @ Jan 22 2005, 11:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> ok how about the genocide of natives across all of america? countless millions...and we barely are reminded of that, spite it happend ca 130 years ago. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Then there's the 12 million people that died as a result of Stalins purges never hear much about that tho either....
Or how about the millions of Irish that starved to death because of the potato famine? The blame for that lies at the feet of Great Britain yet has there ever been so much as a sorry? nope. The population of Ireland has never recovered from that tragedy.
About 2 million Armenians got marched out into the desert by Turkey to die, yet to this day they still deny it.
We never hear anything about these events, yet 6 million Jews get wiped out by Hitler and we never hear the end of it.
I'm not bashing Jews in anyway (although some people might accuse me of doing so) I just think it's unfair that other equally/more so tragic events don't get anywhere near the recognition that the "holocaust" gets. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> If I remember right, about 3 million of those 6 million people were Jewish. The rest were misc. invalids as dubbed by the nazis.
<!--QuoteBegin-V MAN+Jan 22 2005, 05:15 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (V MAN @ Jan 22 2005, 05:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Or how about the millions of Irish that starved to death because of the potato famine? The blame for that lies at the feet of Great Britain yet has there ever been so much as a sorry? nope. The population of Ireland has never recovered from that tragedy. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> This may be pretty inappropriate, but that reminded me of a quote from a TV show:
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->A million people died in the potato famine. Ireland is an island. An island by definition is surrounded by fish. A million people died because they didn't like fish.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-CForrester+Jan 22 2005, 06:39 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CForrester @ Jan 22 2005, 06:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-V MAN+Jan 22 2005, 05:15 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (V MAN @ Jan 22 2005, 05:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Or how about the millions of Irish that starved to death because of the potato famine? The blame for that lies at the feet of Great Britain yet has there ever been so much as a sorry? nope. The population of Ireland has never recovered from that tragedy. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> This may be pretty inappropriate, but that reminded me of a quote from a TV show:
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->A million people died in the potato famine. Ireland is an island. An island by definition is surrounded by fish. A million people died because they didn't like fish.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> read <a href='http://art-bin.com/art/omodest.html' target='_blank'>Jonathan Swift's "A Modest Proposal"</a>. It'll give you a better idea of how desperate and crippled the Irish were because of Britain. Of course, this was written a century before the actual Potato Famine in 1845, but that just drives home how LONG the Irish were living in hideous conditions. Catch enough fish to feed millions? I think not. Not to mention the cholera and other diseases that swept through Ireland at the same time.
Please not before reading that it is satire, and should be read as such.
<!--QuoteBegin-Sky+Jan 22 2005, 06:51 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sky @ Jan 22 2005, 06:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-CForrester+Jan 22 2005, 06:39 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CForrester @ Jan 22 2005, 06:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-V MAN+Jan 22 2005, 05:15 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (V MAN @ Jan 22 2005, 05:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Or how about the millions of Irish that starved to death because of the potato famine? The blame for that lies at the feet of Great Britain yet has there ever been so much as a sorry? nope. The population of Ireland has never recovered from that tragedy. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> This may be pretty inappropriate, but that reminded me of a quote from a TV show:
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->A million people died in the potato famine. Ireland is an island. An island by definition is surrounded by fish. A million people died because they didn't like fish.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> read <a href='http://art-bin.com/art/omodest.html' target='_blank'>Jonathan Swift's "A Modest Proposal"</a>. It'll give you a better idea of how desperate and crippled the Irish were because of Britain. Of course, this was written a century before the actual Potato Famine in 1845, but that just drives home how LONG the Irish were living in hideous conditions. Catch enough fish to feed millions? I think not. Not to mention the cholera and other diseases that swept through Ireland at the same time.
Please not before reading that it is satire, and should be read as such. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Whoa, they've been making baby-eating jokes for that long? Talk about a dead horse.
Many historians tend to nowadays consider WW1 and WW2 one 'era' of war interrupted by a period of noncombat. Both wars are firmly founded on the same historical developments, the second war emphasizing (or exaggerating) many aspects of the first.
There're a number of reasons for why WW2 is so well remembered nowadays: It was short enough to be easily grasped (which the Cold War, for example, is not), it ended decesively, it defined much of the following history (the end of American isolationism, the rise of the two superpowers, Europe's divide and later reunion, the end of territorial colonialism...), and, most importantly, it is considered an easy matter of good against bad, which is of great appeal in humanity's usually considerably more complicated affairs. The Nazis have such a great 'appeal' because they are easily the most sophisticatedly evil group to ever reach historic significance. Their opponents, though often no saints themselves (Stalin? Dresden? Hiroshima?) became heroes simply by contrast.
<!--QuoteBegin-Nemesis Zero+Jan 22 2005, 07:13 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Jan 22 2005, 07:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Many historians tend to nowadays consider WW1 and WW2 one 'era' of war interrupted by a period of noncombat. Both wars are firmly founded on the same historical developments, the second war emphasizing (or exaggerating) many aspects of the first. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Yeah, my German Cultures teacher was talking about this. He was saying how WW1+WW2 were a "30 years war" of sorts, and much resembled the earlier 30 years war.
<!--QuoteBegin-CForrester+Jan 22 2005, 06:56 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CForrester @ Jan 22 2005, 06:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Sky+Jan 22 2005, 06:51 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sky @ Jan 22 2005, 06:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-CForrester+Jan 22 2005, 06:39 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CForrester @ Jan 22 2005, 06:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-V MAN+Jan 22 2005, 05:15 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (V MAN @ Jan 22 2005, 05:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Or how about the millions of Irish that starved to death because of the potato famine? The blame for that lies at the feet of Great Britain yet has there ever been so much as a sorry? nope. The population of Ireland has never recovered from that tragedy. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> This may be pretty inappropriate, but that reminded me of a quote from a TV show:
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->A million people died in the potato famine. Ireland is an island. An island by definition is surrounded by fish. A million people died because they didn't like fish.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> read <a href='http://art-bin.com/art/omodest.html' target='_blank'>Jonathan Swift's "A Modest Proposal"</a>. It'll give you a better idea of how desperate and crippled the Irish were because of Britain. Of course, this was written a century before the actual Potato Famine in 1845, but that just drives home how LONG the Irish were living in hideous conditions. Catch enough fish to feed millions? I think not. Not to mention the cholera and other diseases that swept through Ireland at the same time.
Please not before reading that it is satire, and should be read as such. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Whoa, they've been making baby-eating jokes for that long? Talk about a dead horse. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Well, that's...one way of looking at it. One very, very disturbed way. <!--emo&::marine::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Eek! Ratonetwothreetwoone, while I understand your point, you could have worded it better.
I have to disagree with you on one point, though. When I see the swastika, I'm concerned because I fear that the person displaying the symbol agrees with the Nazi agenda, not because I feel personally attacked or offended because of past crimes. At least for me, it's not similar to the retribution issue you brought up.
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Ah, this is of course assuming that Duo will have sex in his lifetime... ZING <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I thought you two were just waiting for the pink dress that he ordered to arrive? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
:X! I THOUGHT DUO SWORE NOT TO TELL
You make it sound like it's a bad thing to dislike the history of the Nazi movement in World War II. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I thought he meant that once the WW2 survivors are gone, that we wont need to deal with WW2 history and events anymore.
Or perhaps that the History channel will cease being the "WW2 Channel"? ...Although, I have to admit it has sort of died away recently, sort of like how WW2 games were dieing away, but a resurgence seems to be on the horizon.
Either way, I think it's a pretty poor statement. Once the WW2 survivors are gone we lose a lot of first hand history sources and a view into the past - however dreadful that past may seem. WW2 is also one of the most significant events (if not the most significant) of world history and it is unlikely that it will be so easily discarded - even if the survivors are deceased.
You should be trying to remember as much as you can, not forget it as fast as possible. If I had to pick the worst aspect of human nature, I'd have to go with the fickle and forgetful aspect that focuses on the immediate future.
So, who still has their American flag up from 9/11/2001?
[No, I don't, but I never had one to begin with.]
<span style='font-size:3pt;line-height:100%'>NOTE: The last statement was a rhetorical statement, and is not intended to be answered. First, because not everyone here is American and; second, because I don't want to derail the thread. </span><!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I would consider the stupidity and ignorance of "The Great War" to be of more importance that what happened in the second world war.
Then there's the 12 million people that died as a result of Stalins purges never hear much about that tho either....
Or how about the millions of Irish that starved to death because of the potato famine? The blame for that lies at the feet of Great Britain yet has there ever been so much as a sorry? nope. The population of Ireland has never recovered from that tragedy.
About 2 million Armenians got marched out into the desert by Turkey to die, yet to this day they still deny it.
We never hear anything about these events, yet 6 million Jews get wiped out by Hitler and we never hear the end of it.
I'm not bashing Jews in anyway (although some people might accuse me of doing so) I just think it's unfair that other equally/more so tragic events don't get anywhere near the recognition that the "holocaust" gets.
Then there's the 12 million people that died as a result of Stalins purges never hear much about that tho either....
Or how about the millions of Irish that starved to death because of the potato famine? The blame for that lies at the feet of Great Britain yet has there ever been so much as a sorry? nope. The population of Ireland has never recovered from that tragedy.
About 2 million Armenians got marched out into the desert by Turkey to die, yet to this day they still deny it.
We never hear anything about these events, yet 6 million Jews get wiped out by Hitler and we never hear the end of it.
I'm not bashing Jews in anyway (although some people might accuse me of doing so) I just think it's unfair that other equally/more so tragic events don't get anywhere near the recognition that the "holocaust" gets. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
If I remember right, about 3 million of those 6 million people were Jewish. The rest were misc. invalids as dubbed by the nazis.
This may be pretty inappropriate, but that reminded me of a quote from a TV show:
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->A million people died in the potato famine. Ireland is an island. An island by definition is surrounded by fish. A million people died because they didn't like fish.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This may be pretty inappropriate, but that reminded me of a quote from a TV show:
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->A million people died in the potato famine. Ireland is an island. An island by definition is surrounded by fish. A million people died because they didn't like fish.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
read <a href='http://art-bin.com/art/omodest.html' target='_blank'>Jonathan Swift's "A Modest Proposal"</a>. It'll give you a better idea of how desperate and crippled the Irish were because of Britain. Of course, this was written a century before the actual Potato Famine in 1845, but that just drives home how LONG the Irish were living in hideous conditions. Catch enough fish to feed millions? I think not. Not to mention the cholera and other diseases that swept through Ireland at the same time.
Please not before reading that it is satire, and should be read as such.
This may be pretty inappropriate, but that reminded me of a quote from a TV show:
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->A million people died in the potato famine. Ireland is an island. An island by definition is surrounded by fish. A million people died because they didn't like fish.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
read <a href='http://art-bin.com/art/omodest.html' target='_blank'>Jonathan Swift's "A Modest Proposal"</a>. It'll give you a better idea of how desperate and crippled the Irish were because of Britain. Of course, this was written a century before the actual Potato Famine in 1845, but that just drives home how LONG the Irish were living in hideous conditions. Catch enough fish to feed millions? I think not. Not to mention the cholera and other diseases that swept through Ireland at the same time.
Please not before reading that it is satire, and should be read as such. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Whoa, they've been making baby-eating jokes for that long? Talk about a dead horse.
There're a number of reasons for why WW2 is so well remembered nowadays: It was short enough to be easily grasped (which the Cold War, for example, is not), it ended decesively, it defined much of the following history (the end of American isolationism, the rise of the two superpowers, Europe's divide and later reunion, the end of territorial colonialism...), and, most importantly, it is considered an easy matter of good against bad, which is of great appeal in humanity's usually considerably more complicated affairs. The Nazis have such a great 'appeal' because they are easily the most sophisticatedly evil group to ever reach historic significance. Their opponents, though often no saints themselves (Stalin? Dresden? Hiroshima?) became heroes simply by contrast.
Yeah, my German Cultures teacher was talking about this. He was saying how WW1+WW2 were a "30 years war" of sorts, and much resembled the earlier 30 years war.
This may be pretty inappropriate, but that reminded me of a quote from a TV show:
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->A million people died in the potato famine. Ireland is an island. An island by definition is surrounded by fish. A million people died because they didn't like fish.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
read <a href='http://art-bin.com/art/omodest.html' target='_blank'>Jonathan Swift's "A Modest Proposal"</a>. It'll give you a better idea of how desperate and crippled the Irish were because of Britain. Of course, this was written a century before the actual Potato Famine in 1845, but that just drives home how LONG the Irish were living in hideous conditions. Catch enough fish to feed millions? I think not. Not to mention the cholera and other diseases that swept through Ireland at the same time.
Please not before reading that it is satire, and should be read as such. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Whoa, they've been making baby-eating jokes for that long? Talk about a dead horse. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well, that's...one way of looking at it. One very, very disturbed way. <!--emo&::marine::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif' /><!--endemo-->
it makes me feel better
I have to disagree with you on one point, though. When I see the swastika, I'm concerned because I fear that the person displaying the symbol agrees with the Nazi agenda, not because I feel personally attacked or offended because of past crimes. At least for me, it's not similar to the retribution issue you brought up.