Yes, and as I've said, been using a 2 button mouse for years <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Cold Nite, I forbid you from EVER speaking... nay, breathing again.
Anyhow, why do you all sound so shocked? Mac OS has supported Two button mice (natively) since version 7, if I recall, and before that you could just install a third party program for it.
Also, those of you who say Macs have no place in game communities, are sadly mistaken. Everything I've tried on my Mac has run BETTER (with lower system specs) then on my PC. Much better, in fact.
Also, Cold Nite, most computer heavy jobs use UNIX or LUNIX, not Windows. Mainly because the way Windows does everything, makes it very very exploitable, Where as, you can never install anything that changes the 'registry' of a mac without giving it your password, so that means, unless the user is a 5 year old crack addict, it's pretty hard to get anything by undetected. Please note I said 'Hard' not impossible. Anything can be cracked.
<!--QuoteBegin-cshank4+Mar 18 2005, 12:16 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (cshank4 @ Mar 18 2005, 12:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Also, those of you who say Macs have no place in game communities, are sadly mistaken. Everything I've tried on my Mac has run BETTER (with lower system specs) then on my PC. Much better, in fact. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Yeah but the only games on mac are minesweeper and hearts. <span style='font-size:2pt;line-height:100%'>exageration, don't cry now</span>
<!--QuoteBegin-panda de malheureux+Mar 17 2005, 07:25 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (panda de malheureux @ Mar 17 2005, 07:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-cshank4+Mar 18 2005, 12:16 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (cshank4 @ Mar 18 2005, 12:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Also, those of you who say Macs have no place in game communities, are sadly mistaken. Everything I've tried on my Mac has run BETTER (with lower system specs) then on my PC. Much better, in fact. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yeah but the only games on mac are minesweeper and hearts. <span style='font-size:2pt;line-height:100%'>exageration, don't cry now</span> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> My hate for you is only rivaled by a million burning small dogs.
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<!--QuoteBegin-cshank4+Mar 17 2005, 05:16 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (cshank4 @ Mar 17 2005, 05:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Also, those of you who say Macs have no place in game communities, are sadly mistaken. Everything I've tried on my Mac has run BETTER (with lower system specs) then on my PC. Much better, in fact. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> How much did your Mac cost compared to your PC?
<!--QuoteBegin-Pulse+Mar 17 2005, 07:31 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Pulse @ Mar 17 2005, 07:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-cshank4+Mar 17 2005, 05:16 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (cshank4 @ Mar 17 2005, 05:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Also, those of you who say Macs have no place in game communities, are sadly mistaken. Everything I've tried on my Mac has run BETTER (with lower system specs) then on my PC. Much better, in fact. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> How much did your Mac cost compared to your PC? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> It was 500 dollars cheaper! (got a mini)
<!--QuoteBegin-Caboose+Mar 16 2005, 06:22 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Caboose @ Mar 16 2005, 06:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Yes they do, the ppc archictecture is much more stable than x86 based CPU's and would be perfect for gaming if more games were made for them.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Out of genuine curiosity, what connotation of "stable" are you using here? I'm sure the newer architecture has better underpinnings than the 8086 did for modern applications (backward compatibility's such a pain sometimes...), but that wouldn't be a word I'd expect to see referring to CPU design.
When I read that Doom3 still takes a 20% performance hit after heavy optimization at the game level, I can't help but wonder if newer architecture isn't necessarily better (granted the hit is likely due to drivers more than hardware, but the need for PPC to push float/int conversion through memory was cited as an example of architecture problems that are contibuting to the slowdown). I personally don't know anything about the PPC instruction set or architecture--I'm not trying to argue from authority here, just asking for specifics.
For reference, I've worked with Macs for years, but only as an end user. I'm strictly a Win32 and occasionally Linux programmer.
GrendelAll that is fear...Join Date: 2002-07-19Member: 970Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, NS2 Playtester
To be honest, Cagey could have just said "Cheese, cheese, cheese, cheese, 32 bit string, operating under a dynamically segregated interactive enviroment, requiring a topographically responsive, context sensitive file allocation algorythm" and we'd have all gone - "dewd, u no te shizzy, 1337".
Realistically, the most compelling reason to not own a macintosh is to avoid people thinking you are an advertising executive or a Guardian reader. Or because you want to borrow some software. Or maybe you just want to right click. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Grendel+Mar 17 2005, 08:46 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Grendel @ Mar 17 2005, 08:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Realistically, the most compelling reason to not own a macintosh is to avoid people thinking you are an advertising executive or a Guardian reader. Or because you want to borrow some software. Or maybe you just want to right click. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Or if you do graphic design of any kind, which is a profession utterly dominated by Macs. I'm not sure why, but that's the way it is. Anyone know what makes a Mac better for that kind of thing?
<!--QuoteBegin-Gadzuko+Mar 17 2005, 09:19 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Gadzuko @ Mar 17 2005, 09:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Grendel+Mar 17 2005, 08:46 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Grendel @ Mar 17 2005, 08:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Realistically, the most compelling reason to not own a macintosh is to avoid people thinking you are an advertising executive or a Guardian reader. Or because you want to borrow some software. Or maybe you just want to right click. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Or if you do graphic design of any kind, which is a profession utterly dominated by Macs. I'm not sure why, but that's the way it is. Anyone know what makes a Mac better for that kind of thing? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> It has to do with the PPC architecture being better for floating point operations and stuff. Also, any two+ button mouse you plug into a mac will be able to right click, and the right-click menu is actually usefull, but anythin in it can be accessed via the normal menus too. This is not nessesarily true of windows or linux applications because they assume the presense of a 2 button mouse, where as the mac of course only assumed 1.
LMAO I was just gonna post "two button mouse" as a joke in this thread, but then I read the threadstarter.
It's taken a while for them to finally see sense, though. I can't remember how long ago it was that the "Windows" button appeared as a blatant clone of the Macintosh equivalent.
[Edit] Also Mac's have been the industry standard for many years in the fields of Advertising, Publishing, Motion GFX and Digital Imagery and now Film, etc.
<!--QuoteBegin-cshank4+Mar 17 2005, 07:16 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (cshank4 @ Mar 17 2005, 07:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Cold Nite, I forbid you from EVER speaking... nay, breathing again.
Anyhow, why do you all sound so shocked? Mac OS has supported Two button mice (natively) since version 7, if I recall, and before that you could just install a third party program for it.
Also, those of you who say Macs have no place in game communities, are sadly mistaken. Everything I've tried on my Mac has run BETTER (with lower system specs) then on my PC. Much better, in fact.
Also, Cold Nite, most computer heavy jobs use UNIX or LUNIX, not Windows. Mainly because the way Windows does everything, makes it very very exploitable, Where as, you can never install anything that changes the 'registry' of a mac without giving it your password, so that means, unless the user is a 5 year old crack addict, it's pretty hard to get anything by undetected. Please note I said 'Hard' not impossible. Anything can be cracked. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Tell me your point. Because I'm not getting it.
I'm not going to buy a macintosh to play games that aren't here yet.
Period.
Full stop.
No really. I'm not buying something <b>now</b>, in the hopes of <b>future</b> development.
----------------- I don't work a computer heavy job, and I probably won't ever have to. So I don't care about that. <u>I play games.</u> I want to <i>continue</i> playing games. Until Macs allow me to play any game on the PC market, it's not in the running for something I am going to buy.
<!--QuoteBegin-Cold NiTe+Mar 18 2005, 05:15 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cold NiTe @ Mar 18 2005, 05:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-cshank4+Mar 17 2005, 07:16 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (cshank4 @ Mar 17 2005, 07:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Cold Nite, I forbid you from EVER speaking... nay, breathing again.
Anyhow, why do you all sound so shocked? Mac OS has supported Two button mice (natively) since version 7, if I recall, and before that you could just install a third party program for it.
Also, those of you who say Macs have no place in game communities, are sadly mistaken. Everything I've tried on my Mac has run BETTER (with lower system specs) then on my PC. Much better, in fact.
Also, Cold Nite, most computer heavy jobs use UNIX or LUNIX, not Windows. Mainly because the way Windows does everything, makes it very very exploitable, Where as, you can never install anything that changes the 'registry' of a mac without giving it your password, so that means, unless the user is a 5 year old crack addict, it's pretty hard to get anything by undetected. Please note I said 'Hard' not impossible. Anything can be cracked. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Tell me your point. Because I'm not getting it.
I'm not going to buy a macintosh to play games that aren't here yet.
Period.
Full stop.
No really. I'm not buying something <b>now</b>, in the hopes of <b>future</b> development.
----------------- I don't work a computer heavy job, and I probably won't ever have to. So I don't care about that. <u>I play games.</u> I want to <i>continue</i> playing games. Until Macs allow me to play any game on the PC market, it's not in the running for something I am going to buy. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I wasn't telling you to buy jack-****. I was telling you to get your damn facts straight.
<!--QuoteBegin-cshank4+Mar 18 2005, 07:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (cshank4 @ Mar 18 2005, 07:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Cold NiTe+Mar 18 2005, 05:15 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cold NiTe @ Mar 18 2005, 05:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-cshank4+Mar 17 2005, 07:16 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (cshank4 @ Mar 17 2005, 07:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I wasn't telling you to buy jack-****. I was telling you to get your damn facts straight. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> What facts? Everything I said was based purely on opinion. You can't dispute my opinions, I'm sorry to say.
One button mice are great for the ones amongst us, that dont have fingers... And dont forget the dolphins. Poor fellows, they only have fins <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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Anyhow, why do you all sound so shocked? Mac OS has supported Two button mice (natively) since version 7, if I recall, and before that you could just install a third party program for it.
Also, those of you who say Macs have no place in game communities, are sadly mistaken. Everything I've tried on my Mac has run BETTER (with lower system specs) then on my PC. Much better, in fact.
Also, Cold Nite, most computer heavy jobs use UNIX or LUNIX, not Windows. Mainly because the way Windows does everything, makes it very very exploitable, Where as, you can never install anything that changes the 'registry' of a mac without giving it your password, so that means, unless the user is a 5 year old crack addict, it's pretty hard to get anything by undetected. Please note I said 'Hard' not impossible. Anything can be cracked.
Yeah but the only games on mac are minesweeper and hearts. <span style='font-size:2pt;line-height:100%'>exageration, don't cry now</span>
Yeah but the only games on mac are minesweeper and hearts. <span style='font-size:2pt;line-height:100%'>exageration, don't cry now</span> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
My hate for you is only rivaled by a million burning small dogs.
How much did your Mac cost compared to your PC?
How much did your Mac cost compared to your PC? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
It was 500 dollars cheaper! (got a mini)
Out of genuine curiosity, what connotation of "stable" are you using here? I'm sure the newer architecture has better underpinnings than the 8086 did for modern applications (backward compatibility's such a pain sometimes...), but that wouldn't be a word I'd expect to see referring to CPU design.
When I read that Doom3 still takes a 20% performance hit after heavy optimization at the game level, I can't help but wonder if newer architecture isn't necessarily better (granted the hit is likely due to drivers more than hardware, but the need for PPC to push float/int conversion through memory was cited as an example of architecture problems that are contibuting to the slowdown). I personally don't know anything about the PPC instruction set or architecture--I'm not trying to argue from authority here, just asking for specifics.
For reference, I've worked with Macs for years, but only as an end user. I'm strictly a Win32 and occasionally Linux programmer.
Realistically, the most compelling reason to not own a macintosh is to avoid people thinking you are an advertising executive or a Guardian reader. Or because you want to borrow some software. Or maybe you just want to right click. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Or if you do graphic design of any kind, which is a profession utterly dominated by Macs. I'm not sure why, but that's the way it is. Anyone know what makes a Mac better for that kind of thing?
Or if you do graphic design of any kind, which is a profession utterly dominated by Macs. I'm not sure why, but that's the way it is. Anyone know what makes a Mac better for that kind of thing? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It has to do with the PPC architecture being better for floating point operations and stuff. Also, any two+ button mouse you plug into a mac will be able to right click, and the right-click menu is actually usefull, but anythin in it can be accessed via the normal menus too. This is not nessesarily true of windows or linux applications because they assume the presense of a 2 button mouse, where as the mac of course only assumed 1.
It's taken a while for them to finally see sense, though. I can't remember how long ago it was that the "Windows" button appeared as a blatant clone of the Macintosh equivalent.
[Edit] Also Mac's have been the industry standard for many years in the fields of Advertising, Publishing, Motion GFX and Digital Imagery and now Film, etc.
Anyhow, why do you all sound so shocked? Mac OS has supported Two button mice (natively) since version 7, if I recall, and before that you could just install a third party program for it.
Also, those of you who say Macs have no place in game communities, are sadly mistaken. Everything I've tried on my Mac has run BETTER (with lower system specs) then on my PC. Much better, in fact.
Also, Cold Nite, most computer heavy jobs use UNIX or LUNIX, not Windows. Mainly because the way Windows does everything, makes it very very exploitable, Where as, you can never install anything that changes the 'registry' of a mac without giving it your password, so that means, unless the user is a 5 year old crack addict, it's pretty hard to get anything by undetected. Please note I said 'Hard' not impossible. Anything can be cracked. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Tell me your point. Because I'm not getting it.
I'm not going to buy a macintosh to play games that aren't here yet.
Period.
Full stop.
No really. I'm not buying something <b>now</b>, in the hopes of <b>future</b> development.
-----------------
I don't work a computer heavy job, and I probably won't ever have to. So I don't care about that. <u>I play games.</u> I want to <i>continue</i> playing games. Until Macs allow me to play any game on the PC market, it's not in the running for something I am going to buy.
Anyhow, why do you all sound so shocked? Mac OS has supported Two button mice (natively) since version 7, if I recall, and before that you could just install a third party program for it.
Also, those of you who say Macs have no place in game communities, are sadly mistaken. Everything I've tried on my Mac has run BETTER (with lower system specs) then on my PC. Much better, in fact.
Also, Cold Nite, most computer heavy jobs use UNIX or LUNIX, not Windows. Mainly because the way Windows does everything, makes it very very exploitable, Where as, you can never install anything that changes the 'registry' of a mac without giving it your password, so that means, unless the user is a 5 year old crack addict, it's pretty hard to get anything by undetected. Please note I said 'Hard' not impossible. Anything can be cracked. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Tell me your point. Because I'm not getting it.
I'm not going to buy a macintosh to play games that aren't here yet.
Period.
Full stop.
No really. I'm not buying something <b>now</b>, in the hopes of <b>future</b> development.
-----------------
I don't work a computer heavy job, and I probably won't ever have to. So I don't care about that. <u>I play games.</u> I want to <i>continue</i> playing games. Until Macs allow me to play any game on the PC market, it's not in the running for something I am going to buy. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I wasn't telling you to buy jack-****. I was telling you to get your damn facts straight.
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I wasn't telling you to buy jack-****. I was telling you to get your damn facts straight. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
What facts? Everything I said was based purely on opinion. You can't dispute my opinions, I'm sorry to say.
I don't FEEL there are enough games for macs.
One button mice are great for the ones amongst us, that dont have fingers...
And dont forget the dolphins. Poor fellows, they only have fins <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->