<!--QuoteBegin-TommyVercetti+Apr 30 2005, 09:17 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TommyVercetti @ Apr 30 2005, 09:17 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I think someone else said they liked RE4 and some other console game better than HL2 or Doom 3. I don't mean to offend, but how is that possible? I own RE4 and it's just... nevermind, that's off-topic. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Off topic or not, and I don't know who the other person was, but shooting a zombie in the leg and then suplexing it never gets old.
<!--QuoteBegin-Quantum Moose+Apr 30 2005, 10:43 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Quantum Moose @ Apr 30 2005, 10:43 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Speaking of RE4, that is one of the best games I have ever played in my entire life, easily better then Halo 2, Half-Life 2, or Doom 3.
Best console game at that. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I agree so much that I bleed all over.
/me takes some of his 5000 Tribes 2 CDs, makes them into ninja stars, and throws them at everyone in this thread.
Tribes2 > You. In fact, God himself -1 is just about equal to Tribes 2.
Don't get me started on that new 'Vengeance' crap. When someone makes a Tribes 2 remake on a sweet engine, without all the UI errors that plagued the first release with the same pace, flavor, dynamics, learning curve, and depth; there WILL be peace, love, and joy on this earth. Until the end of mother****ing time.
The combine AI wasn't that bad; but it rarely got a place to shine (you basically shot them in the head, and they die...so they don't <i>do</i> anything). There are a couple places where you can actually see that they act sort of intelligently. After the mine, past the sniper in the trainyard, some of the building along the highway, and on the bridge.
[those are the 3 spots I remember, anyway]
...they actually took cover/didn't come right at you, for once.
Still more fun that Doom 3's 'surprise' enemies...Far Cry...sort of annoyed me with the whole 'sometimes they see you when you're hidden, sometimes they don't when you're in the open.
<!--QuoteBegin-Snidely+Apr 30 2005, 10:45 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Snidely @ Apr 30 2005, 10:45 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Quantum Moose+Apr 30 2005, 10:43 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Quantum Moose @ Apr 30 2005, 10:43 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Speaking of RE4, that is one of the best games I have ever played in my entire life, easily better then Halo 2, Half-Life 2, or Doom 3.
Best console game at that. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I agree so much that I bleed all over. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> /me dies
I feel compelled to speak a bit more on the awesome that re 4 was and still filled with. While the graphics weren't as advanced or elaborate as those in hl2 or doom 3 they certainly got the job done and looked amazing the entire time. The way locational damage actually affected the enemies was great. In most games you just do more damage for hitting certain targets. In RE 4 you make them stagger, make them fall down, cause them to drop their weapons, fall off a ladder, fall off a drop. The final boss was a bit of a pushover but the krauser fight more than makes up for that. And RE 4 had unlockables... I didnt stop playing until I unlocked everything. Going through HL 2 or Doom 3 again would give me no joy but I played RE 4 all the way through at least 3 times and then finished all the unlockable portions. Never did I feel like I was doing the same thing twice. Nonstop fun.
yup...completely off topic... but I feel that since this game was so good that it is my duty to spread the word.
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<!--QuoteBegin-Pulse+Apr 30 2005, 06:15 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Pulse @ Apr 30 2005, 06:15 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Snidely+Apr 30 2005, 05:17 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Snidely @ Apr 30 2005, 05:17 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Not much to discuss. I agree with you there. ;P <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Well ok then. =/
Could one of you HL2 fanboys/Far Cry haters take over? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Come on, guys. I know some of you think that Far Cry was one of the worst games ever made and is nothing compared to HL2. I'm dieing to see somebody try to make a rebuttal to this. Renegade? CForrester? Anybody?
<!--QuoteBegin-Pulse+May 1 2005, 03:36 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Pulse @ May 1 2005, 03:36 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Pulse+Apr 30 2005, 06:15 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Pulse @ Apr 30 2005, 06:15 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Snidely+Apr 30 2005, 05:17 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Snidely @ Apr 30 2005, 05:17 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Not much to discuss. I agree with you there. ;P <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Well ok then. =/
Could one of you HL2 fanboys/Far Cry haters take over? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Come on, guys. I know some of you think that Far Cry was one of the worst games ever made and is nothing compared to HL2. I'm dieing to see somebody try to make a rebuttal to this. Renegade? CForrester? Anybody? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Sucks to be me since I haven't played it. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
My brother bought me Thief 3 and said "Beat this game while I watch". He hates playing the Thief series but he loves watching me play it, since all the stress is mine and mine alone.
:: EDIT :: Before you scream "What the hell has that got to do with anything??" I'll just say that he did that <i>in response</i> to me suggesting he buy far cry and play while I watched him.
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I really want to play Thief 3, but I don't play games out of order and the original Thief, while have some excellent level design in some places, had some absolutely horrible levels (like the lost city) that I simply can't bring myself to go through. Then I forget to back up my saves when I reformat or something and the cycle begins anew.
<span style='font-size:5pt;line-height:100%'>I personally believe that the off topic forums would be a better place if, should the creator of the thread allow it, a conversation could go beyond the thread's original topic to something that might have little to do with the original post without the thread getting locked</span>
<!--QuoteBegin-Pulse+May 1 2005, 03:54 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Pulse @ May 1 2005, 03:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I really want to play Thief 3, but I don't play games out of order and the original Thief, while have some excellent level design in some places, had some absolutely horrible levels (like the lost city) that I simply can't bring myself to go through. Then I forget to back up my saves when I reformat or something and the cycle begins anew. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Well personally, the thing about the thief series is, I have some hellacious memories of it. Especially theif 2...
You see my copy was borked. So I played the entire game though with random ****ty bugs that did weird things to my saves. Like if I saved to the point where I had knocked out a guy, sometimes when I loaded, he would be concious again, and looking for me, and super **** off. I am also an EXTREMELY Obsessive Compulsive player. This means that I insist on knocking EVERYONE out, stealing EVERYTHING, and getting ALL secrets. So I had a hell of a time.
Then suddenly, as fate would have it, I got to the end of the game. I had the mission completely finished. After I was certain of it myself, I went a game faq and checked off everything to make sure... Then I headed out of the mission zone to get my reward... The game ended. There was no ending cutscene. Not explanation. Nothing. Just credits, which I could not see because my vision had gotten mysteriously blurry and I was babbling random things. I checked again and again, no ending. No next level. Just credits, then menu screen.
This "no ending for Cold NiTe" scenario has happened twice now. Once with Thief 2, and once with Anachronox where some malevolent bug corrupted my saves right before the final boss.
------------------------------- All in all the Thief series is an EXCELLENT series, so long as it functions properly. So do give it a try. Old or not, play it all before Thief 3 gets old.
<!--QuoteBegin-Legionnaired+Apr 30 2005, 07:06 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Legionnaired @ Apr 30 2005, 07:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> /me takes some of his 5000 Tribes 2 CDs, makes them into ninja stars, and throws them at everyone in this thread.
Tribes2 > You. In fact, God himself -1 is just about equal to Tribes 2.
Don't get me started on that new 'Vengeance' crap. When someone makes a Tribes 2 remake on a sweet engine, without all the UI errors that plagued the first release with the same pace, flavor, dynamics, learning curve, and depth; there WILL be peace, love, and joy on this earth. Until the end of mother****ing time.
That is all. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Legionnaired wins the thread.
<!--QuoteBegin-Sub zer0+May 1 2005, 06:19 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sub zer0 @ May 1 2005, 06:19 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Half life 2 had no story to it <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I missed the part where you defended this as a coherant and logical statement.
Just because you don't see every aspect of the city 17 world in a ten hour game doesn't mean it had "no story". If Valve tied up all the lose ends how would they make money selling all the expansions the way they did with HL?
<!--QuoteBegin-Swiftspear+May 1 2005, 07:06 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Swiftspear @ May 1 2005, 07:06 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-Sub zer0+May 1 2005, 06:19 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sub zer0 @ May 1 2005, 06:19 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Half life 2 had no story to it <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I missed the part where you defended this as a coherant and logical statement.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <img src='http://www.tucsonweekly.com/binary/43879-273-2/book-5099.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
He's kind of right; HL2 had no coherent plot. Sure, you could pick up stuff about the origin of the Combine, the Seven Hour war, and the portal storms. In fact, if you listened carefully the first time through you'd learn pretty much everything about the HL2 universe. And it still lacked a coherent story because the one provided as a backdrop for the action was kind of lame, and secondarily because none of these major plot twists occur while you're playing. Mossman as a double agent wasn't even surprising. Basically, you start, you kill cops, you kill zombies, you kill cops, you kill soldiers, Mossman is bad, you save Eli, you kill soldiers, you save Alyx, you save Eli, Mossman is good, you kill Breen, the game ends. Halo had a far better story, and so did Halo 2 (if you can excuse the extremely stupid bits they added for the lowest common demoninator console players).
Far Cry's story and atmosphere are unique; they resemble an over-the-top action movie because they choose to rather than because of poor design. It's not my favorite, but it makes Far Cry even more unique and is a nice touch to go with the psuedo-realistic gameplay. By the end of the game I was sure I was playing the lead role in an action movie. I also thought Jack's desire to just get the hell out of Micronesia was great; certainly a lot more realistic for some guy who's just been pushed into a battle against an army of mercenaries, Trigens, and their mad scientist creator. It was almost like one of the Jurassic Park movies, probably the worst one (2) - only the story isn't that bad for a game.
Doom 3's story was also better than HL2s, but it's execution was poor in my opinion. The PDA system didn't have to be a bunch of scared sounding guys saying either a) mundane security/maintenance/science report or b) weird stuff is happening. To make things worse, they made listening to some of this boring crap mandatory, rather than simply giving you the number when you picked it up. If they had used just one more element from System Shock 2 (there are tons in Doom 3, and very few of them work right) they would've had logs from the same characters over and over, tracking their progress across the base and telling a story. Might've been worth listening to them then. The idea of humans originally being Martians is not an original idea, but I think Doom 3 got the later parts of the game right, from the return from Hell on.
Most storys have a start middle and a end half life had a start you walk of train and start test a middle where you get captures and a end where you kill the bad guy half lfie 2 has a start you walk of train look around kick some crap a middle you get a gravity gun and a end you get blown up not knowin WTH just happend
A good story tells you the bits inbtween the start middle and end Like i half life you learn how much dammage that little test did and what others have in half life you had a great game which also had good expantion pakcs
Half life 2 you walk around looking at the loverly gfx the little bit here and there of newpaper cutouts etc. but tehre isnt any real story not like there should have been
It is just a tech demo nothing more nothing less i was not insipres take away the title and what do you really have? take away all the hype the fact it is a sequal to a truly ground breaking game and what do you have some havok physics and some nice bump mapping, now in the other case of half life 2 yes it does have some revalutionary things in it but the game alone is not any good the hardware it has may be
<!--QuoteBegin-Sub zer0+May 1 2005, 09:09 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sub zer0 @ May 1 2005, 09:09 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Most storys have a start middle and a end half life had a start you walk of train and start test a middle where you get captures and a end where you kill the bad guy half lfie 2 has a start you walk of train look around kick some crap a middle you get a gravity gun and a end you get blown up not knowin WTH just happend
A good story tells you the bits inbtween the start middle and end Like i half life you learn how much dammage that little test did and what others have in half life you had a great game which also had good expantion pakcs
Half life 2 you walk around looking at the loverly gfx the little bit here and there of newpaper cutouts etc. but tehre isnt any real story not like there should have been
It is just a tech demo nothing more nothing less i was not insipres take away the title and what do you really have? take away all the hype the fact it is a sequal to a truly ground breaking game and what do you have some havok physics and some nice bump mapping, now in the other case of half life 2 yes it does have some revalutionary things in it but the game alone is not any good the hardware it has may be
*edit* i agree with TommyVercetti <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I do not endorse this post. They aren't bad games, just not as good as Far Cry in my opinion.
<!--QuoteBegin-Sub zer0+May 1 2005, 09:09 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sub zer0 @ May 1 2005, 09:09 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Most storys have a start middle and a end half life had a start you walk of train and start test a middle where you get captures and a end where you kill the bad guy half lfie 2 has a start you walk of train look around kick some crap a middle you get a gravity gun and a end you get blown up not knowin WTH just happend
A good story tells you the bits inbtween the start middle and end Like i half life you learn how much dammage that little test did and what others have in half life you had a great game which also had good expantion pakcs
Half life 2 you walk around looking at the loverly gfx the little bit here and there of newpaper cutouts etc. but tehre isnt any real story not like there should have been
It is just a tech demo nothing more nothing less i was not insipres take away the title and what do you really have? take away all the hype the fact it is a sequal to a truly ground breaking game and what do you have some havok physics and some nice bump mapping, now in the other case of half life 2 yes it does have some revalutionary things in it but the game alone is not any good the hardware it has may be
*edit* i agree with TommyVercetti <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Punctuation is good (bit funny how the only period in that entire post comes after an 'et cetera').
Half-Life 2 does have a semblance of plot...the problem is that it tried too hard to be "OMG, you don't know what's going on - do you!?" The fact that you play as Gordon seems to inherently mean that "You're a mute - so you can't ask people what the hell is going on." Which is really retarded. There does seem to be an interesting sub-plot in the history of Earth (which is actually nigh impossible to get with lower texture settings).
If you think about it, HL1 didn't have much internal plot, either (although, it might help if they had you climbing in a vent over some combine and they talk about something). However, they told you what you should be doing, "Get to the surface, Gordon!", "The military's trying to cover up the project!", etc. All of which HL2 has nothing like this (maybe the assault on the ...mortar thing...but that seemed arbitrarily forced on you, unlike the smoothness of the first game).
<!--QuoteBegin-TommyVercetti+May 1 2005, 08:07 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TommyVercetti @ May 1 2005, 08:07 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Far Cry's story and atmosphere are unique; they resemble an over-the-top action movie because they choose to rather than because of poor design. It's not my favorite, but it makes Far Cry even more unique and is a nice touch to go with the psuedo-realistic gameplay. By the end of the game I was sure I was playing the lead role in an action movie. I also thought Jack's desire to just get the hell out of Micronesia was great; certainly a lot more realistic for some guy who's just been pushed into a battle against an army of mercenaries, Trigens, and their mad scientist creator. It was almost like one of the Jurassic Park movies, probably the worst one (2) - only the story isn't that bad for a game. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Actually, copyright reasons made Crytek make Far Cry instead of game they wanted to make, <i>X-Isle</i>, which was basically a Jurassic Park rip-off.
Think back about how much story HL1 actually had in it: You're late for work, you blow something up, get topside for help, oops the help is killing us, go back down, launch this satellite, get to Lambda labs, go to Xen, kill a giant space baby. Not much.
HL1's story has been fleshed out mainly outside of the game, just as HL2's is, however we've also had 5 and a half years now to discuss its story...
well I do think halo beats most in the story department but that's just because of the cool characters :3 (why the frig do bungie insist in throwing frigging flood at people for two games in a row? NOBODY LIKES THEM FOR HECKSAKE ><)
HL2? Story... it felt like it had story to me :o I felt like I was going somewhere to do something for the majority of the game and at no point did I find myself thinking "that's a naff reason" or "what am I doing?". I was usually curious to see what was around the next corner and what I'd learn about the world at my next 'stop'. Worked fine story-wise for me :3
Doom3? Dunno... it started off good but I got so bored of unavoidable imp traps (open door; IMP!, grab item; IMP!, breathe; IMP!) that I just stopped playing. There's nothing fun about having health arbitrailarly stripped from you just because they think it might be scary. In a straight fight imps weren't annoying because you could dodge them and stuff but half the imp encounters were just scripted in such a way that even if you did know they were coming they'd auto-hit you regardless of what you do to try and activate whatever triggers them (especially opening doors).
Far Cry? I really dunno... I played the demo and didn't like it. That's all I know :p
---------- To answer your question "Where does it go from here?" all I have to say is that where ever we are headed, we will NOT be getting there anytime soon, at least not till we get a flood of games with pretty faces and no plots. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> This quote sums up my inital reaction to this thread almost word for word. At first I thought it was an acnient HL2 vs. Doom3 thread from many months ago that had been resurrected... Why create a new thread? Why man why?
The visuals were truely stunning -- for those that could afford to add a total PC hardware upgrade into their budget that is. But I'd love to see more investment in plot, non-linear gameplay, more in-depth gameplay, and music & others sounds.
<!--QuoteBegin-Maus+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Maus)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Actually, copyright reasons made Crytek make Far Cry instead of game they wanted to make, X-Isle, which was basically a Jurassic Park rip-off. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> That's what I heard too. Tis a shame though. It would be nice to have a good Jurassic Park game, especially if you could play as a velociraptor...
<!--QuoteBegin-the x5+May 1 2005, 02:23 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (the x5 @ May 1 2005, 02:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It would be nice to have a good Jurassic Park game, especially if you could play as a velociraptor...
rawr. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Squad combat FTW! And you could have voice commands with distinctive shreiks and growls and such. It would be great fun snacking on tourists and scientists until the hunters/Marines show up with .50 cals. I still don't know how that guy in Jurassic Park IIImanaged to miss a T-rex with a full magazine from an M82.
<!--QuoteBegin-TommyVercetti+May 1 2005, 02:30 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TommyVercetti @ May 1 2005, 02:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-the x5+May 1 2005, 02:23 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (the x5 @ May 1 2005, 02:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It would be nice to have a good Jurassic Park game, especially if you could play as a velociraptor...
rawr. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Squad combat FTW! And you could have voice commands with distinctive shreiks and growls and such. It would be great fun snacking on tourists and scientists until the hunters/Marines show up with .50 cals. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Hell yeah!
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I still don't know how that guy in Jurassic Park III managed to miss a T-rex with a full magazine from an M82.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Good question. Pff Hollywood, SG-1 is one of the few things that has ever done justice to the military. The three biggest mistakes often made are when they make the military people stupidly innacurate, go full tilt (instead of burst), and ignore the whole recoil thing. Why in the hell do you think they make you practice so much at riflemanship? Even many non-military people are quite good shots. (ie: most people who go hunting, though there are some *cough* exceptions) If you've never fired a Desert Eagle, Magnum, shotgun, or similar then you truely can't have any appreciation for recoil, at least in my opinion.
PS: A pet peeve of mine is when people in the gamming world call magazines "clips." *shudder* They are very different.
<!--QuoteBegin-Seph Kimara+May 1 2005, 02:34 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Seph Kimara @ May 1 2005, 02:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Play as a raptor? I'm reminded of the old SNES/Genesis JP game :s <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Oh my god. Was that the one where you floated down the river as Grant, shooting the T-Rex?
OMG I loved that game, but unfortunately I played it so long ago all I can remember is that part when you're playing as a raptor on a cargo ship of some sort... I think I got to the very end of the game when I had to return it to Blockbuster.
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Off topic or not, and I don't know who the other person was, but shooting a zombie in the leg and then suplexing it never gets old.
<b>Never.</b>
Best console game at that.
Best console game at that. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I agree so much that I bleed all over.
Tribes2 > You. In fact, God himself -1 is just about equal to Tribes 2.
Don't get me started on that new 'Vengeance' crap. When someone makes a Tribes 2 remake on a sweet engine, without all the UI errors that plagued the first release with the same pace, flavor, dynamics, learning curve, and depth; there WILL be peace, love, and joy on this earth. Until the end of mother****ing time.
That is all.
[those are the 3 spots I remember, anyway]
...they actually took cover/didn't come right at you, for once.
Still more fun that Doom 3's 'surprise' enemies...Far Cry...sort of annoyed me with the whole 'sometimes they see you when you're hidden, sometimes they don't when you're in the open.
Best console game at that. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I agree so much that I bleed all over. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
/me dies
yup...completely off topic... but I feel that since this game was so good that it is my duty to spread the word.
Well ok then. =/
Could one of you HL2 fanboys/Far Cry haters take over? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Come on, guys. I know some of you think that Far Cry was one of the worst games ever made and is nothing compared to HL2. I'm dieing to see somebody try to make a rebuttal to this. Renegade? CForrester? Anybody?
Well ok then. =/
Could one of you HL2 fanboys/Far Cry haters take over? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Come on, guys. I know some of you think that Far Cry was one of the worst games ever made and is nothing compared to HL2. I'm dieing to see somebody try to make a rebuttal to this. Renegade? CForrester? Anybody? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Sucks to be me since I haven't played it. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
My brother bought me Thief 3 and said "Beat this game while I watch". He hates playing the Thief series but he loves watching me play it, since all the stress is mine and mine alone.
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Before you scream "What the hell has that got to do with anything??" I'll just say that he did that <i>in response</i> to me suggesting he buy far cry and play while I watched him.
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Well personally, the thing about the thief series is, I have some hellacious memories of it. Especially theif 2...
You see my copy was borked. So I played the entire game though with random ****ty bugs that did weird things to my saves. Like if I saved to the point where I had knocked out a guy, sometimes when I loaded, he would be concious again, and looking for me, and super **** off. I am also an EXTREMELY Obsessive Compulsive player. This means that I insist on knocking EVERYONE out, stealing EVERYTHING, and getting ALL secrets. So I had a hell of a time.
Then suddenly, as fate would have it, I got to the end of the game. I had the mission completely finished. After I was certain of it myself, I went a game faq and checked off everything to make sure... Then I headed out of the mission zone to get my reward... The game ended. There was no ending cutscene. Not explanation. Nothing. Just credits, which I could not see because my vision had gotten mysteriously blurry and I was babbling random things. I checked again and again, no ending. No next level. Just credits, then menu screen.
This "no ending for Cold NiTe" scenario has happened twice now. Once with Thief 2, and once with Anachronox where some malevolent bug corrupted my saves right before the final boss.
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All in all the Thief series is an EXCELLENT series, so long as it functions properly. So do give it a try. Old or not, play it all before Thief 3 gets old.
Half life 2 had no story to it
doom 3 barly had a story to it
Tribes2 > You. In fact, God himself -1 is just about equal to Tribes 2.
Don't get me started on that new 'Vengeance' crap. When someone makes a Tribes 2 remake on a sweet engine, without all the UI errors that plagued the first release with the same pace, flavor, dynamics, learning curve, and depth; there WILL be peace, love, and joy on this earth. Until the end of mother****ing time.
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Legionnaired wins the thread.
I missed the part where you defended this as a coherant and logical statement.
Just because you don't see every aspect of the city 17 world in a ten hour game doesn't mean it had "no story". If Valve tied up all the lose ends how would they make money selling all the expansions the way they did with HL?
I missed the part where you defended this as a coherant and logical statement.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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Far Cry's story and atmosphere are unique; they resemble an over-the-top action movie because they choose to rather than because of poor design. It's not my favorite, but it makes Far Cry even more unique and is a nice touch to go with the psuedo-realistic gameplay. By the end of the game I was sure I was playing the lead role in an action movie. I also thought Jack's desire to just get the hell out of Micronesia was great; certainly a lot more realistic for some guy who's just been pushed into a battle against an army of mercenaries, Trigens, and their mad scientist creator. It was almost like one of the Jurassic Park movies, probably the worst one (2) - only the story isn't that bad for a game.
Doom 3's story was also better than HL2s, but it's execution was poor in my opinion. The PDA system didn't have to be a bunch of scared sounding guys saying either a) mundane security/maintenance/science report or b) weird stuff is happening. To make things worse, they made listening to some of this boring crap mandatory, rather than simply giving you the number when you picked it up. If they had used just one more element from System Shock 2 (there are tons in Doom 3, and very few of them work right) they would've had logs from the same characters over and over, tracking their progress across the base and telling a story. Might've been worth listening to them then. The idea of humans originally being Martians is not an original idea, but I think Doom 3 got the later parts of the game right, from the return from Hell on.
half life had a start you walk of train and start test a middle where you get captures and a end where you kill the bad guy
half lfie 2 has a start you walk of train look around kick some crap a middle you get a gravity gun and a end you get blown up not knowin WTH just happend
A good story tells you the bits inbtween the start middle and end Like i half life you learn how much dammage that little test did and what others have in half life you had a great game which also had good expantion pakcs
Half life 2 you walk around looking at the loverly gfx the little bit here and there of newpaper cutouts etc. but tehre isnt any real story not like there should have been
It is just a tech demo nothing more nothing less i was not insipres take away the title and what do you really have? take away all the hype the fact it is a sequal to a truly ground breaking game and what do you have some havok physics and some nice bump mapping, now in the other case of half life 2 yes it does have some revalutionary things in it but the game alone is not any good the hardware it has may be
*edit* i agree with TommyVercetti
half life had a start you walk of train and start test a middle where you get captures and a end where you kill the bad guy
half lfie 2 has a start you walk of train look around kick some crap a middle you get a gravity gun and a end you get blown up not knowin WTH just happend
A good story tells you the bits inbtween the start middle and end Like i half life you learn how much dammage that little test did and what others have in half life you had a great game which also had good expantion pakcs
Half life 2 you walk around looking at the loverly gfx the little bit here and there of newpaper cutouts etc. but tehre isnt any real story not like there should have been
It is just a tech demo nothing more nothing less i was not insipres take away the title and what do you really have? take away all the hype the fact it is a sequal to a truly ground breaking game and what do you have some havok physics and some nice bump mapping, now in the other case of half life 2 yes it does have some revalutionary things in it but the game alone is not any good the hardware it has may be
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I do not endorse this post. They aren't bad games, just not as good as Far Cry in my opinion.
half life had a start you walk of train and start test a middle where you get captures and a end where you kill the bad guy
half lfie 2 has a start you walk of train look around kick some crap a middle you get a gravity gun and a end you get blown up not knowin WTH just happend
A good story tells you the bits inbtween the start middle and end Like i half life you learn how much dammage that little test did and what others have in half life you had a great game which also had good expantion pakcs
Half life 2 you walk around looking at the loverly gfx the little bit here and there of newpaper cutouts etc. but tehre isnt any real story not like there should have been
It is just a tech demo nothing more nothing less i was not insipres take away the title and what do you really have? take away all the hype the fact it is a sequal to a truly ground breaking game and what do you have some havok physics and some nice bump mapping, now in the other case of half life 2 yes it does have some revalutionary things in it but the game alone is not any good the hardware it has may be
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Punctuation is good (bit funny how the only period in that entire post comes after an 'et cetera').
Half-Life 2 does have a semblance of plot...the problem is that it tried too hard to be "OMG, you don't know what's going on - do you!?" The fact that you play as Gordon seems to inherently mean that "You're a mute - so you can't ask people what the hell is going on." Which is really retarded. There does seem to be an interesting sub-plot in the history of Earth (which is actually nigh impossible to get with lower texture settings).
If you think about it, HL1 didn't have much internal plot, either (although, it might help if they had you climbing in a vent over some combine and they talk about something). However, they told you what you should be doing, "Get to the surface, Gordon!", "The military's trying to cover up the project!", etc. All of which HL2 has nothing like this (maybe the assault on the ...mortar thing...but that seemed arbitrarily forced on you, unlike the smoothness of the first game).
Actually, copyright reasons made Crytek make Far Cry instead of game they wanted to make, <i>X-Isle</i>, which was basically a Jurassic Park rip-off.
Think back about how much story HL1 actually had in it: You're late for work, you blow something up, get topside for help, oops the help is killing us, go back down, launch this satellite, get to Lambda labs, go to Xen, kill a giant space baby. Not much.
HL1's story has been fleshed out mainly outside of the game, just as HL2's is, however we've also had 5 and a half years now to discuss its story...
(why the frig do bungie insist in throwing frigging flood at people for two games in a row? NOBODY LIKES THEM FOR HECKSAKE ><)
HL2? Story... it felt like it had story to me :o
I felt like I was going somewhere to do something for the majority of the game and at no point did I find myself thinking "that's a naff reason" or "what am I doing?". I was usually curious to see what was around the next corner and what I'd learn about the world at my next 'stop'. Worked fine story-wise for me :3
Doom3? Dunno... it started off good but I got so bored of unavoidable imp traps (open door; IMP!, grab item; IMP!, breathe; IMP!) that I just stopped playing.
There's nothing fun about having health arbitrailarly stripped from you just because they think it might be scary. In a straight fight imps weren't annoying because you could dodge them and stuff but half the imp encounters were just scripted in such a way that even if you did know they were coming they'd auto-hit you regardless of what you do to try and activate whatever triggers them (especially opening doors).
Far Cry? I really dunno... I played the demo and didn't like it. That's all I know :p
What have you done?
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To answer your question "Where does it go from here?" all I have to say is that where ever we are headed, we will NOT be getting there anytime soon, at least not till we get a flood of games with pretty faces and no plots. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
This quote sums up my inital reaction to this thread almost word for word. At first I thought it was an acnient HL2 vs. Doom3 thread from many months ago that had been resurrected... Why create a new thread? Why man why?
The visuals were truely stunning -- for those that could afford to add a total PC hardware upgrade into their budget that is. But I'd love to see more investment in plot, non-linear gameplay, more in-depth gameplay, and music & others sounds.
<!--QuoteBegin-Maus+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Maus)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Actually, copyright reasons made Crytek make Far Cry instead of game they wanted to make, X-Isle, which was basically a Jurassic Park rip-off. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's what I heard too. Tis a shame though. It would be nice to have a good Jurassic Park game, especially if you could play as a velociraptor...
rawr.
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Squad combat FTW! And you could have voice commands with distinctive shreiks and growls and such. It would be great fun snacking on tourists and scientists until the hunters/Marines show up with .50 cals. I still don't know how that guy in Jurassic Park IIImanaged to miss a T-rex with a full magazine from an M82.
rawr. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Squad combat FTW! And you could have voice commands with distinctive shreiks and growls and such. It would be great fun snacking on tourists and scientists until the hunters/Marines show up with .50 cals. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hell yeah!
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I still don't know how that guy in Jurassic Park III managed to miss a T-rex with a full magazine from an M82.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Good question. Pff Hollywood, SG-1 is one of the few things that has ever done justice to the military. The three biggest mistakes often made are when they make the military people stupidly innacurate, go full tilt (instead of burst), and ignore the whole recoil thing. Why in the hell do you think they make you practice so much at riflemanship? Even many non-military people are quite good shots. (ie: most people who go hunting, though there are some *cough* exceptions) If you've never fired a Desert Eagle, Magnum, shotgun, or similar then you truely can't have any appreciation for recoil, at least in my opinion.
PS: A pet peeve of mine is when people in the gamming world call magazines "clips." *shudder* They are very different.
Oh my god. Was that the one where you floated down the river as Grant, shooting the T-Rex?