Omegaman, I don't understand your "random" vote going to someone that already has votes against them. Usually random votes go to people that don't already have any votes. It <i>could</i> be explained by inexperience or simply not noticing, I guess.
Also, the two people that haven't voted yet are Hellfire3k and ZeroByte. Hellfire3k hasn't posted once in this thread (he isn't inactive, he has been on IRC enough).
Well, lost, my vote on you was just a return for yours on me, and you haven't done anything suspicious yet, at least as far as I've noticed. So if another "random" vote falls on you, and I spot it before night falls, I'll switch.
But for now, I guess I'll just stay put. I have my suspicions, but nothing worth mentioning or committing a vote to yet.
(By the way... I give H2G2 an 8 out of 10... The plot was alright, but it got a bit off track and some of the funniest bits of dialog were shredded beyond repair)
<!--QuoteBegin-Isamil+May 4 2005, 06:59 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Isamil @ May 4 2005, 06:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Since the day is ending so soon, I'm voting for <b>Snidely</b>. This is a semi-random vote; he raised a bit of a suspicion with me, and this is day one so he's the best suspect I have. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Just curious; what makes me suspicious?
I would change my vote from Q, but he's in no danger anyway, and I don't have any leads. No offense, pal.
Ah, I get it now. You're saying you can't predict the probability of B when A HAS ALREADY HAPPENED. This makes sense, but is slightly odd, as I'm sure you'll agree with me in saying that being (for example) guardian 5 times in a row is pretty unlikely. I'm willing to accept that I'm going about the wrong way of working it out, but are you telling me that if you flipped a coin and got 10 heads in a row you wouldn't expect tails to come up soon?
Anyhow, I'm going to shut up about probability now, it wasn't worth making this big a deal about anyway, but at least it got some people talking a bit, eh?
<!--QuoteBegin-Planetkiller+May 4 2005, 11:47 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Planetkiller @ May 4 2005, 11:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> This makes sense, but is slightly odd, as I'm sure you'll agree with me in saying that being (for example) guardian 5 times in a row is pretty unlikely. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> After four times in a row of the person being guardian, I wouldn't think anything different on the fifth game of their odds of being guardian. Since you're actually in a stat class, it's good that you understand this now, rather than when you get test results back, plus it will probably keep you from coming to bad conclusions without real reasons while playing this game.
Eh, since there's nothing strong enough for me to base my vote on, I'm voting for <b>Im_lost</b> to even him up with Omega. A two way random is more interesting than a straight lynch <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> My vote could have just as easily been for Snidely but eh, whatever. I choose Im_lost.
I feel the need to intervene on the behalf of Omegaman here, if only because I feel he is becoming the victim of a witch-hunt (which I know this game is. I KNOW, alright? Shut up).
Omegaman wasn't voting for Snidely randomly the way I see it. When he cast his vote, he was leading the field in votes. If he wants to survive, he will have to either get people to take their votes off him, or get somebody else to receive more votes than him. By voting for Snidely, he was working towards the second goal.
Now, Sky says that voting to lynch someone just to save yourself is bad. I'm sorry, but I couldn't disagree more. Let's see: If Omegaman is a wolf, he would of course vote to save himself - his goal, after all, is to stay alive for as long as possible. If Omegaman is a human special role, he'll vote to save himself, because the other guy is most likely a vanilla human or wolf. Killing a wolf would be a success, killing a vanilla human is still better than killing a special role. If he is a vanilla human, he is most likely the only one he is sure of. Everyone else is a mystery to him. He's the only one he can trust, he has no allies. If he sacrifices himself right now, it's completely in vain. Furthermore, I don't know about you guys, but I am in this game to PLAY the game, and to survive and win if possible. I am not willing to die just because a few of you have arbitrarily decided so, and I can well understand if Omegaman thinks likewise.
I'm sorry, but I won't be joining your sordid little scheme.
Well, I said I'd switch if another "random" vote dropped onto lost, so let's see... New random vote... <b>PlanetKiller</b> doesn't have any votes yet... Nothing personal, man, just making ya feel at home <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Oh, and this whole thing with Omega's little slip-up... Maybe he forgot the no-edit rule and was just correcting a typo... Did anyone catch the post before he changed it?
<!--QuoteBegin-lolfighter+May 5 2005, 06:03 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (lolfighter @ May 5 2005, 06:03 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Now, Sky says that voting to lynch someone just to save yourself is bad. I'm sorry, but I couldn't disagree more. Let's see: If Omegaman is a wolf, he would of course vote to save himself - his goal, after all, is to stay alive for as long as possible. If Omegaman is a human special role, he'll vote to save himself, because the other guy is most likely a vanilla human or wolf. Killing a wolf would be a success, killing a vanilla human is still better than killing a special role. If he is a vanilla human, he is most likely the only one he is sure of. Everyone else is a mystery to him. He's the only one he can trust, he has no allies. If he sacrifices himself right now, it's completely in vain. Furthermore, I don't know about you guys, but I am in this game to PLAY the game, and to survive and win if possible. I am not willing to die just because a few of you have arbitrarily decided so, and I can well understand if Omegaman thinks likewise. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Oh sure, it makes sense to Omegaman, but it shouldn't make sense to anyone else. Snidely, Omega, and now im lost all have equal chances of being wolves, because we have nothing on any of them, so I personally would rather keep an experienced player in the game than a new player in the hopes that the experienced player turns out to be a human. When I said that voting to save yourself was a bad move, I meant for the humans in general, not individually. Of course it's the proper move to make individually, but this <i>is</i> a team game. A rather selfish team game, but we are still on a team.
Well, you said it yourself: A team game, but a rather selfish one. Until we can identify our team members, we are very much alone. The fact is that of the seventeen people remaining, there's only thirteen good boys. The rest are NOT on the team. Taking one for the team only works when you know who that team is. You're expecting Omegaman to just let himself get killed. Better him than you, right? Well, he's thinking the very same thing, and I don't see a reason to favour either of you. And voting off inexperienced players because they're inexperienced? Sounds like elitism to me. If they're just voted off right away, they never really get experienced, do they? And then we have been talking probabilities. Let me offer another statistic: The chance for an experienced player to have a vital role is the same as the chance for an unexperienced player to have one.
Soul_RiderMod BeanJoin Date: 2004-06-19Member: 29388Members, Constellation, Squad Five Blue
My vote for sky was a random vote because he voted for me.
Now he has a second vote i will move my vote.
I don't have any people under suspicion, so i am going to move my vote to another player without any votes.
As <b>Pithlit</b> has taken my slot by voting on sky, and he has no votes against him, i will add my name to him.
Again, if any information crops up, i will change my vote, i will still have plenty of time <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
ByekaName changed from Freak83TorontoJoin Date: 2003-03-13Member: 14484Members, Constellation
I really don't like how three people jumped onto Omegaman! after I voted for him. Humans or wolves perhaps but I voted for him because of an ironic mistake in his post. At the time it was the best reason I saw to vote for someone but I don't like how it looks as if he's going to get lynched right now on such a small statement.
Giving him a chance to save himself, I'm changing my vote to <b>lolfighter</b>, someone with no votes against him.
Given that I'm going to be in school when the day ends, this will most likly be my last post for day one.
One last thing, for the Seer. If you're still alive, I urge you to come forwards to me tonight. If you don't trust me then just make a fake email and contact me with it. This is important. freak83 @ gmail . com
Soul_RiderMod BeanJoin Date: 2004-06-19Member: 29388Members, Constellation, Squad Five Blue
Actually it ends in 2 hours and 4 mins from now <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
But i can understand the confusion.
Just to make it clear, most of the world in now in Summertime +1 DST.
Even here in the UK we are BST which is GMT +1.
So when it gets to 1900 GMT, it will actually be 2000 in Greenwich!!
This is really confusing people, so as a rough guide, when you recall what your normal relationship to GMT is say +8 for example, if you are in DST (daylight savings time) You are an extra hour ahead of GMT (+9).
If you are normally GMT -8, and you are in DST, you are now GMT -7.
By the way...I'm not sure if Sky was implying that I'm inexperienced, but I'm not. I've played at least 3 other TWG games, and Freak83 can back me up on this statement.
In case I do die, consider these my last words: Please take my piece of advise seriously. And I won't feel too bad about dying. After all, the chances of lynching a wolf on day one are extremely slim. I'm just a little surprised that I'm the person that dies (if I do).
Anyway, Soul is right about the timezones... I've been saying that since signup... Most or all of those GMT-5's are actually -4's (East coast US), etc.
<!--QuoteBegin-Pithlit+May 5 2005, 01:02 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Pithlit @ May 5 2005, 01:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> could someone post a clock then, wich represents the current daytime in TWG? with wich i mean the real GMT <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Current time in TWG/GMT is 17:10 (5:10pm)
I believe that's 18:10 (6:10pm) in the UK, 1:10pm here in New York, 10:10am over in California.
<!--QuoteBegin-lolfighter+May 5 2005, 09:32 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (lolfighter @ May 5 2005, 09:32 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Well, you said it yourself: A team game, but a rather selfish one. Until we can identify our team members, we are very much alone. The fact is that of the seventeen people remaining, there's only thirteen good boys. The rest are NOT on the team. Taking one for the team only works when you know who that team is. You're expecting Omegaman to just let himself get killed. Better him than you, right? Well, he's thinking the very same thing, and I don't see a reason to favour either of you. And voting off inexperienced players because they're inexperienced? Sounds like elitism to me. If they're just voted off right away, they never really get experienced, do they? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I suppose it is understandable to vote to defend yourself, but that doesn't mean I like it. I've said it before and I'll say it again: I'd rather keep in an experienced player rather than an inexperienced player, especially in the beginning of the game where we need the experienced players to sniff out wolves as quickly as possible. I don't particularly like <i>anyone</i> getting lynched when there's no - or extremely scanty - evidence against anyone in particular, but that's the way the game flows. I just have to favor lynching Omega over im lost or Snidely. Then again, notice that I haven't changed my vote to Omegaman, because I just don't think that "slip" is enough to warrant a lynch.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->And then we have been talking probabilities. Let me offer another statistic: The chance for an experienced player to have a vital role is the same as the chance for an unexperienced player to have one.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Well actually, considering there are fewer experienced players in this game than new-ish players, I'd say that chances are more special roles are being filled by newer players.
Soul_RiderMod BeanJoin Date: 2004-06-19Member: 29388Members, Constellation, Squad Five Blue
<!--QuoteBegin-Sky+May 5 2005, 06:44 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sky @ May 5 2005, 06:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'd rather keep in an experienced player rather than an inexperienced player, especially in the beginning of the game where we need the experienced players to sniff out wolves as quickly as possible.
Well actually, considering there are fewer experienced players in this game than new-ish players, I'd say that chances are more special roles are being filled by newer players. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Sky, your post there puts me in a quandry. First you are saying lets get rid of the newbs, we need the experienced players. Then you follow it by saying that the likelihood is that the newer players have the roles.
Which way do you want it? you can't have both. If you vote out all the newbs, you risk losing the special roles, if you vote out the experienced players, you risk losing the game.
According to your philosphy, either idea is a bad one.
I know with nothing else to go on, there is little else to do, but this is like using all the stats we were working on and using them to make your decision on, it just can't be relied on.
I don't think we should base our opinions on whether a player is experienced or not, but on what their behaviour is.
<!--QuoteBegin-SaltzBad+May 5 2005, 11:35 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SaltzBad @ May 5 2005, 11:35 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <b>Snidely</b>, to prevent instead execution of Omegaman in another 15 minutes. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> You realise that there's still a 50-50 chance of him dying, right?
In case I do snuff it, I'll wish you all good luck now. I don't mind being taken out, since you all have nothing to go on...I'll just have to hope that I can get a sig by surviving the next game. ;P
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Also, the two people that haven't voted yet are Hellfire3k and ZeroByte. Hellfire3k hasn't posted once in this thread (he isn't inactive, he has been on IRC enough).
But for now, I guess I'll just stay put. I have my suspicions, but nothing worth mentioning or committing a vote to yet.
(By the way... I give H2G2 an 8 out of 10... The plot was alright, but it got a bit off track and some of the funniest bits of dialog were shredded beyond repair)
Just curious; what makes me suspicious?
I would change my vote from Q, but he's in no danger anyway, and I don't have any leads. No offense, pal.
Anyhow, I'm going to shut up about probability now, it wasn't worth making this big a deal about anyway, but at least it got some people talking a bit, eh?
After four times in a row of the person being guardian, I wouldn't think anything different on the fifth game of their odds of being guardian. Since you're actually in a stat class, it's good that you understand this now, rather than when you get test results back, plus it will probably keep you from coming to bad conclusions without real reasons while playing this game.
This puts the votes at:
Xentor - 1 (im lost)
Soul Rider - 1 (Sky)
Quaunaut - 1 (Snidely)
Isamil - 1 (Saltzbad)
Hellfire3k - 1 (PlanetKiller)
Sky - 1 (Soul Rider)
im lost - 3 (Xentor, Omegaman!, ZeroByte)
Freak83 - 1 (Pithlit)
Snidely - 2 (Kerotan, Isamil)
Omegaman! - 3 (Freak83, badkarma, Quaunaut)
ZeroByte - 1 (lolfighter)
Now all we need is for Hellfire to vote.
Omegaman wasn't voting for Snidely randomly the way I see it. When he cast his vote, he was leading the field in votes. If he wants to survive, he will have to either get people to take their votes off him, or get somebody else to receive more votes than him. By voting for Snidely, he was working towards the second goal.
Now, Sky says that voting to lynch someone just to save yourself is bad. I'm sorry, but I couldn't disagree more. Let's see:
If Omegaman is a wolf, he would of course vote to save himself - his goal, after all, is to stay alive for as long as possible.
If Omegaman is a human special role, he'll vote to save himself, because the other guy is most likely a vanilla human or wolf. Killing a wolf would be a success, killing a vanilla human is still better than killing a special role.
If he is a vanilla human, he is most likely the only one he is sure of. Everyone else is a mystery to him. He's the only one he can trust, he has no allies. If he sacrifices himself right now, it's completely in vain. Furthermore, I don't know about you guys, but I am in this game to PLAY the game, and to survive and win if possible. I am not willing to die just because a few of you have arbitrarily decided so, and I can well understand if Omegaman thinks likewise.
I'm sorry, but I won't be joining your sordid little scheme.
i think <b>Sky</b> is da man!
Oh, and this whole thing with Omega's little slip-up... Maybe he forgot the no-edit rule and was just correcting a typo... Did anyone catch the post before he changed it?
If Omegaman is a wolf, he would of course vote to save himself - his goal, after all, is to stay alive for as long as possible.
If Omegaman is a human special role, he'll vote to save himself, because the other guy is most likely a vanilla human or wolf. Killing a wolf would be a success, killing a vanilla human is still better than killing a special role.
If he is a vanilla human, he is most likely the only one he is sure of. Everyone else is a mystery to him. He's the only one he can trust, he has no allies. If he sacrifices himself right now, it's completely in vain. Furthermore, I don't know about you guys, but I am in this game to PLAY the game, and to survive and win if possible. I am not willing to die just because a few of you have arbitrarily decided so, and I can well understand if Omegaman thinks likewise. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Oh sure, it makes sense to Omegaman, but it shouldn't make sense to anyone else. Snidely, Omega, and now im lost all have equal chances of being wolves, because we have nothing on any of them, so I personally would rather keep an experienced player in the game than a new player in the hopes that the experienced player turns out to be a human. When I said that voting to save yourself was a bad move, I meant for the humans in general, not individually. Of course it's the proper move to make individually, but this <i>is</i> a team game. A rather selfish team game, but we are still on a team.
Xentor - 1 (im lost)
Soul Rider - 1 (Sky)
Quaunaut - 1 (Snidely)
Isamil - 1 (Saltzbad)
Hellfire3k - 1 (PlanetKiller)
Sky - 2 (Soul Rider, Pithlit)
im lost - 2 (Omegaman!, ZeroByte)
Snidely - 2 (Kerotan, Isamil)
Omegaman! - 4 (Freak83, badkarma, Quaunaut, Hellfire3k)
ZeroByte - 1 (lolfighter)
Planetkiller - (Xentor)
And voting off inexperienced players because they're inexperienced? Sounds like elitism to me. If they're just voted off right away, they never really get experienced, do they?
And then we have been talking probabilities. Let me offer another statistic: The chance for an experienced player to have a vital role is the same as the chance for an unexperienced player to have one.
Now he has a second vote i will move my vote.
I don't have any people under suspicion, so i am going to move my vote to another player without any votes.
As <b>Pithlit</b> has taken my slot by voting on sky, and he has no votes against him, i will add my name to him.
Again, if any information crops up, i will change my vote, i will still have plenty of time <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Xentor - 1 (im lost)
Soul Rider - 1 (Sky)
Quaunaut - 1 (Snidely)
Isamil - 1 (Saltzbad)
Hellfire3k - 1 (PlanetKiller)
Sky - 1 ( Pithlit)
im lost - 2 (Omegaman!, ZeroByte)
Snidely - 2 (Kerotan, Isamil)
Omegaman! - 4 (Freak83, badkarma, Quaunaut, Hellfire3k)
ZeroByte - 1 (lolfighter)
Planetkiller - (Xentor)
Pithlit - 1 (Soul Rider)
Giving him a chance to save himself, I'm changing my vote to <b>lolfighter</b>, someone with no votes against him.
Given that I'm going to be in school when the day ends, this will most likly be my last post for day one.
One last thing, for the Seer. If you're still alive, I urge you to come forwards to me tonight. If you don't trust me then just make a fake email and contact me with it. This is important. freak83 @ gmail . com
But i can understand the confusion.
Just to make it clear, most of the world in now in Summertime +1 DST.
Even here in the UK we are BST which is GMT +1.
So when it gets to 1900 GMT, it will actually be 2000 in Greenwich!!
This is really confusing people, so as a rough guide, when you recall what your normal relationship to GMT is say +8 for example, if you are in DST (daylight savings time) You are an extra hour ahead of GMT (+9).
If you are normally GMT -8, and you are in DST, you are now GMT -7.
Hope that clears it up a bit.
with wich i mean the real GMT
In case I do die, consider these my last words:
Please take my piece of advise seriously. And I won't feel too bad about dying. After all, the chances of lynching a wolf on day one are extremely slim. I'm just a little surprised that I'm the person that dies (if I do).
Xentor - 1 (im lost)
Soul Rider - 1 (Sky)
Quaunaut - 1 (Snidely)
Hellfire3k - 1 (PlanetKiller)
Sky - 1 (Pithlit)
im lost - 2 (Omegaman!, ZeroByte)
Snidely - 3 (Kerotan, Isamil, Saltzbad)
Omegaman! - 3 (badkarma, Quaunaut, Hellfire3k)
ZeroByte - 1 (lolfighter)
Planetkiller - 1 (Xentor)
Pithlit - 1 (Soul Rider)
lolfighter - 1 (Freak83)
Anyway, Soul is right about the timezones... I've been saying that since signup... Most or all of those GMT-5's are actually -4's (East coast US), etc.
(At work, so no IRC)
with wich i mean the real GMT <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Current time in TWG/GMT is 17:10 (5:10pm)
I believe that's 18:10 (6:10pm) in the UK, 1:10pm here in New York, 10:10am over in California.
Muffin posted that sometime ago in the IRC channel.
And voting off inexperienced players because they're inexperienced? Sounds like elitism to me. If they're just voted off right away, they never really get experienced, do they? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I suppose it is understandable to vote to defend yourself, but that doesn't mean I like it. I've said it before and I'll say it again: I'd rather keep in an experienced player rather than an inexperienced player, especially in the beginning of the game where we need the experienced players to sniff out wolves as quickly as possible. I don't particularly like <i>anyone</i> getting lynched when there's no - or extremely scanty - evidence against anyone in particular, but that's the way the game flows. I just have to favor lynching Omega over im lost or Snidely. Then again, notice that I haven't changed my vote to Omegaman, because I just don't think that "slip" is enough to warrant a lynch.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->And then we have been talking probabilities. Let me offer another statistic: The chance for an experienced player to have a vital role is the same as the chance for an unexperienced player to have one.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well actually, considering there are fewer experienced players in this game than new-ish players, I'd say that chances are more special roles are being filled by newer players.
Well actually, considering there are fewer experienced players in this game than new-ish players, I'd say that chances are more special roles are being filled by newer players. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Sky, your post there puts me in a quandry. First you are saying lets get rid of the newbs, we need the experienced players. Then you follow it by saying that the likelihood is that the newer players have the roles.
Which way do you want it? you can't have both. If you vote out all the newbs, you risk losing the special roles, if you vote out the experienced players, you risk losing the game.
According to your philosphy, either idea is a bad one.
I know with nothing else to go on, there is little else to do, but this is like using all the stats we were working on and using them to make your decision on, it just can't be relied on.
I don't think we should base our opinions on whether a player is experienced or not, but on what their behaviour is.
You realise that there's still a 50-50 chance of him dying, right?
In case I do snuff it, I'll wish you all good luck now. I don't mind being taken out, since you all have nothing to go on...I'll just have to hope that I can get a sig by surviving the next game. ;P