maybe but they usually have some goal. In madrid it effected several things including various country's stance on 'the war vs terror' and the elections. The IRA bombed to try and force talks over uniting ireland again.
I can't think of anything the terrorists would get from tony blair being missing at the G8 summit :/
Kouji_SanSr. Hινε UÏкεεÏεг - EUPT DeputyThe NetherlandsJoin Date: 2003-05-13Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
Does it matter what they want to boast about. The fact is that it is the ultimate dead of a coward. I mean comeon attacking innocent civilians!!!
WEAK!!! LAME!!! ... man even the internet slang doesn't have a word for this cowardly deed <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Also my condolances go out to the people who lost someone today <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
snidely, england has been getting bombed for years without it changing anyone in the UK's mind about issues; why would anyone in their right mind think that bombing it some more would make a difference? :p
<b>edit:</b> re-reading that, I think I should add that anyone getting hurt or killed by these blasts is still horrific and we do care, but part of the UK spirit is being utterly stubborn and so blowing any part of it up won't really sway anyone. For years the IRA had a campaign of terror and it didn't really make much difference to the political side of things.
It sucks yes but on the other hand, its nothing the UK hasn't had before. We were under the threat of terrorist bombings for many years thanks to the IRA. I can even recall there was a time when my Dad had to look underneath the car and bonnet every time he went to go to work. Just to see if there was any "devices" attached to the car before he drove off.
<!--QuoteBegin-Geminosity+Jul 7 2005, 07:17 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Geminosity @ Jul 7 2005, 07:17 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> just to point out the g8 is entirely at the other side of the country from london so it won't have anything to do with the G8 probably outside of the lower level of security down south caused by reinforcing bonny Scotland... Unless of course the terrorists think scotland is part of england and the G8 was even remotely near London which doesn't say much for their geography skills ¬.¬ <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Well, they <i>were</i> supposedly going to kidnap Russel Crowe, thinking he was an American Icon...
Private_ColemanPhD in Video GamesJoin Date: 2002-11-07Member: 7510Members
edited July 2005
Wikipedia Rapid-Response page: <a href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_July_2005_London_bombing' target='_blank'>GO ... !</a>
My mum's current conspiracy theories: Al Quaeda is a US controlled organisation that still has ties to the CIA. Bush arranged the attacks to hold up the G8 meeting.
That's the thing... compared to most other countries the UK is rather 'battlehardened' about being under attack. We're used to it.
Things like the twin towers and madrid have big impacts not just because of the number of casualties (which was horrendous) but because they've taken place in countries that find the idea of being under attack in this modern age almost alien. Terrorism in the UK is really an act of futility; all you can ever hope to cause is casualties and anger, it'll never change our minds :3
<!--QuoteBegin-Snidely+Jul 7 2005, 07:42 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Snidely @ Jul 7 2005, 07:42 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Why would anyone in their right mind do it in the first place? Or maybe, after Madrid, they thought it might work here, too? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> because terrorists er naturally stupid?
<!--QuoteBegin-Metalcat+Jul 7 2005, 07:46 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Metalcat @ Jul 7 2005, 07:46 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Snidely+Jul 7 2005, 07:42 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Snidely @ Jul 7 2005, 07:42 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Why would anyone in their right mind do it in the first place? Or maybe, after Madrid, they thought it might work here, too? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> because terrorists er naturally stupid? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> So stupid many of their leaders have avoided capture for many, many years?
ThansalThe New ScumJoin Date: 2002-08-22Member: 1215Members, Constellation
<!--QuoteBegin-Snidely+Jul 7 2005, 07:42 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Snidely @ Jul 7 2005, 07:42 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Why would anyone in their right mind do it in the first place? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> that would be the point.
I don't understand what they're even trying to achieve here...
We've been bombed countless times before and it's never made us change our minds about anything (unlike Spain, way to go on that one...), so that's clearly not going to achieve anything.
But besides that, there was obviously a lot of planning gone into this; why else would they have waited until the day of the G8 summit? It would take roughly 10,000 attacks like this to put a significant dent in the population of London, more in fact if you consider todays events were actually 6/7 seperate attacks. So what are they ever going to acheive... ever?
Couldn't believe this when I woke up with my hangover, now I'm frickin' peed off with this bloody terrorist crap. My dad and bro are working up there at the moment but they're both ok, don't think they were especially close to any of the targets.
I was listening to Radio 2 earlier, I only caught the end of an eyewitness account of the bus bombing, but I'm fairly sure the story teller said that he was on the bus that blew up. The bus was stuck in traffic so he couldn't be bothered to wait and got off. He got <b>10 yards away </b>and the bus went up.
BBC just said someone else was in a similar situation, a woman got off the bus and saw it go up at the other end of the street. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> Supposedly a suicide bomber too...
They are so lucky, and I feel so sorry for anyone who's lost anyone.
100s of casualties in the hospitals :/
This was inevitable I think, sadly. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I think that the terrorists planned to perform this attack on this date because of the G8 summit. not for the political intereference, but because they knew focus would not be on London, leaving it open ot attack. It's simply waiting for an opportunity. London has been on the hit list for a long time, and today was the chance for the terrorists to strike off the list one more major target.
My prayers and heart go out to all our British board members, their families, and the rest of the people affected by this tragedy.
This is only conjecture, so do as you will with it, but I don't thnk the perpetrators are using this attack for any political message or signifigance. i think they're just saying "You are not safe. We can get to you". They want fear and insecurity. They want our economic and political environment to change out of that fear. That's it. This isn't PETA or some treehugger organization trying to get their message across, or some country fighting for liberation. This is a small group of men and women bent on destroying the "evil empires" they've made the West out to be. And there's not really much you can do to change their minds.
on a weird note, I seem to be the jinx of london town :o
Every time I'm involved in something that would even theoretically take me near london (even if it doesn't) something happens there that's bad and on a massive scale.
I planned to go to london with friends the first time and there was an IRA bomb threat near the place we'd planned to stay so we didn't bother. I was flying to florida and we were supposed to fly out from near london and there was a massive trainstrike so we flew from somewhere else :o I planned later to go to london and the IRA blew up one of the stores we'd planned on visiting so we kinda put that off.
This time? I'm going to florida again! Luckily we're flying from glasgow this time but guess where we would've normally flown from? :p
We've had a couple of bomb scares here in portsmouth. Town centre was closed for a little while and the naval base has been put on alert, a lot of choppers have been put up in the air as well.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Rather Ironically, after an hour and a half trying to get hold of my Dad by mobile/email/carrier pigeon to make sure he was ok, I managed to establish his safety when he popped up on News 24 and gave an interview (he is one of their regular talking heads on disaster management stuff).
I don’t know about the rest of London, but in our office the chief worry has been how do get home tonight. Many people have decided that the best course of action would be to hold up for the time being somewhere safe, with a good supply of food and drink, and a telly for the afternoon.
I haven’t seen the pub that busy on a Thursday for ages <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You've got to love the British attitude: "We've been attacked by terrorists, all transport links are down, what the hell do we do?" "Pub?" "Sounds good"
<!--QuoteBegin-Nil IQ+Jul 7 2005, 02:27 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nil IQ @ Jul 7 2005, 02:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> A quote from another board:
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Rather Ironically, after an hour and a half trying to get hold of my Dad by mobile/email/carrier pigeon to make sure he was ok, I managed to establish his safety when he popped up on News 24 and gave an interview (he is one of their regular talking heads on disaster management stuff).
I don’t know about the rest of London, but in our office the chief worry has been how do get home tonight. Many people have decided that the best course of action would be to hold up for the time being somewhere safe, with a good supply of food and drink, and a telly for the afternoon.
I haven’t seen the pub that busy on a Thursday for ages <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You've got to love the British attitude: "We've been attacked by terrorists, all transport links are down, what the hell do we do?" "Pub?" "Sounds good" <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> ROFL! Priceless <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
ThansalThe New ScumJoin Date: 2002-08-22Member: 1215Members, Constellation
<!--QuoteBegin-Nil IQ+Jul 7 2005, 08:27 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nil IQ @ Jul 7 2005, 08:27 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You've got to love the British attitude: "We've been attacked by terrorists, all transport links are down, what the hell do we do?" "Pub?" "Sounds good" <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> bombs and beer......
btw, watching CNN I see:
"US Officals told by British authorities atleast 40 dead"
ThansalThe New ScumJoin Date: 2002-08-22Member: 1215Members, Constellation
<!--QuoteBegin-Metalcat+Jul 7 2005, 08:33 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Metalcat @ Jul 7 2005, 08:33 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> well at least they arent lying anymore :/ <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> who was lying about what?
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The IRA bombed to try and force talks over uniting ireland again.
I can't think of anything the terrorists would get from tony blair being missing at the G8 summit :/
WEAK!!! LAME!!! ... man even the internet slang doesn't have a word for this cowardly deed <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Also my condolances go out to the people who lost someone today <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<b>edit:</b> re-reading that, I think I should add that anyone getting hurt or killed by these blasts is still horrific and we do care, but part of the UK spirit is being utterly stubborn and so blowing any part of it up won't really sway anyone. For years the IRA had a campaign of terror and it didn't really make much difference to the political side of things.
But yeah, this sucks.
Well, they <i>were</i> supposedly going to kidnap Russel Crowe, thinking he was an American Icon...
My mum's current conspiracy theories:
Al Quaeda is a US controlled organisation that still has ties to the CIA.
Bush arranged the attacks to hold up the G8 meeting.
Things like the twin towers and madrid have big impacts not just because of the number of casualties (which was horrendous) but because they've taken place in countries that find the idea of being under attack in this modern age almost alien.
Terrorism in the UK is really an act of futility; all you can ever hope to cause is casualties and anger, it'll never change our minds :3
because terrorists er naturally stupid?
Fixed <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
because terrorists er naturally stupid? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
So stupid many of their leaders have avoided capture for many, many years?
that would be the point.
they are NOT in their right mind.
to steal a leg on doomeh.
;(
We've been bombed countless times before and it's never made us change our minds about anything (unlike Spain, way to go on that one...), so that's clearly not going to achieve anything.
But besides that, there was obviously a lot of planning gone into this; why else would they have waited until the day of the G8 summit? It would take roughly 10,000 attacks like this to put a significant dent in the population of London, more in fact if you consider todays events were actually 6/7 seperate attacks. So what are they ever going to acheive... ever?
I was listening to Radio 2 earlier, I only caught the end of an eyewitness account of the bus bombing, but I'm fairly sure the story teller said that he was on the bus that blew up. The bus was stuck in traffic so he couldn't be bothered to wait and got off. He got <b>10 yards away </b>and the bus went up.
BBC just said someone else was in a similar situation, a woman got off the bus and saw it go up at the other end of the street. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> Supposedly a suicide bomber too...
They are so lucky, and I feel so sorry for anyone who's lost anyone.
100s of casualties in the hospitals :/
This was inevitable I think, sadly. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
My prayers and heart go out to all our British board members, their families, and the rest of the people affected by this tragedy.
This is only conjecture, so do as you will with it, but I don't thnk the perpetrators are using this attack for any political message or signifigance. i think they're just saying "You are not safe. We can get to you". They want fear and insecurity. They want our economic and political environment to change out of that fear. That's it. This isn't PETA or some treehugger organization trying to get their message across, or some country fighting for liberation. This is a small group of men and women bent on destroying the "evil empires" they've made the West out to be. And there's not really much you can do to change their minds.
they are not sane (sane people don't kill random people).
Their goals are terror, death, destruction.
they have succeded in these respects.
what they THINK these events could achieve, I don't know, and it dosn't matter b/c their goals will NOT make sense to any of us.
b/c we are all sane and rational humans.
Every time I'm involved in something that would even theoretically take me near london (even if it doesn't) something happens there that's bad and on a massive scale.
I planned to go to london with friends the first time and there was an IRA bomb threat near the place we'd planned to stay so we didn't bother.
I was flying to florida and we were supposed to fly out from near london and there was a massive trainstrike so we flew from somewhere else :o
I planned later to go to london and the IRA blew up one of the stores we'd planned on visiting so we kinda put that off.
This time? I'm going to florida again! Luckily we're flying from glasgow this time but guess where we would've normally flown from? :p
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Rather Ironically, after an hour and a half trying to get hold of my Dad by mobile/email/carrier pigeon to make sure he was ok, I managed to establish his safety when he popped up on News 24 and gave an interview (he is one of their regular talking heads on disaster management stuff).
I don’t know about the rest of London, but in our office the chief worry has been how do get home tonight. Many people have decided that the best course of action would be to hold up for the time being somewhere safe, with a good supply of food and drink, and a telly for the afternoon.
I haven’t seen the pub that busy on a Thursday for ages <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You've got to love the British attitude:
"We've been attacked by terrorists, all transport links are down, what the hell do we do?"
"Pub?"
"Sounds good"
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Rather Ironically, after an hour and a half trying to get hold of my Dad by mobile/email/carrier pigeon to make sure he was ok, I managed to establish his safety when he popped up on News 24 and gave an interview (he is one of their regular talking heads on disaster management stuff).
I don’t know about the rest of London, but in our office the chief worry has been how do get home tonight. Many people have decided that the best course of action would be to hold up for the time being somewhere safe, with a good supply of food and drink, and a telly for the afternoon.
I haven’t seen the pub that busy on a Thursday for ages <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You've got to love the British attitude:
"We've been attacked by terrorists, all transport links are down, what the hell do we do?"
"Pub?"
"Sounds good" <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
ROFL! Priceless <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
"We've been attacked by terrorists, all transport links are down, what the hell do we do?"
"Pub?"
"Sounds good" <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
bombs and beer......
btw, watching CNN I see:
"US Officals told by British authorities atleast 40 dead"
who was lying about what?
who was lying about what? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
casulties