AbraWould you kindlyJoin Date: 2003-08-17Member: 19870Members
Grandpa', when will old ignorant people die? <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" />
QuaunautThe longest seven days in history...Join Date: 2003-03-21Member: 14759Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
<!--quoteo(post=1586291:date=Dec 9 2006, 10:51 AM:name=lolfighter)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(lolfighter @ Dec 9 2006, 10:51 AM) [snapback]1586291[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Quaunaut, with all due respect, you have no clue what you are talking about. The swastika ban has nothing to do with denial of the past. Denying the past is exactly what the german people has NOT done, and you demean yourself and us by postulating this when you have obviously not made the slightest effort to actually research the matter. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I haven't gone out and researched the matter, no, but then again, banning something because of a bad history with it just seems like an ignorant strategy to me. I'll take down the comment if it offends you that much, but free speech isn't free speech when censorship rules(and I've heard way more than one German complain about their own country's censorship rules).
<!--quoteo(post=1586293:date=Dec 9 2006, 10:54 AM:name=TychoCelchuuu)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TychoCelchuuu @ Dec 9 2006, 10:54 AM) [snapback]1586293[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> This is going to be a very long thread if you get indignant every time an American is ignorant about another country. In fact it's going to be a very long decade. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Along with Germany's very strict rules concerning video game violence, now there is a movement to put violent game developers, publishers, and <i>players</i> in jail. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Take my word: It will never make it into a law. The whole debate has been created by politicians who are trying to become popular for the next election. Every expert I have seen on TV, heard on the radio during the last 2 weeks stated pretty much the same things:
-A ban of violent games is not enforceable, nor controllable. -Playing a violent game makes you as much a killer, as reading a "crime novel". -The persons that went amok, loved guns and violent games to such an extreme extent, because they were psychopaths. Games did not make them psychotic, they already were.
As for my personal statement: -It has been stated by some politicians, that the last amok used counter-strike for training his aim. -Yet, he only managed to wound 1 heavily and 4 lightly. So CS is really really great for improving your aim with a real weapon... who would have guessed <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/confused-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="???" border="0" alt="confused-fix.gif" />
From my personal experience: -The way you aim a USP in CS, has nothing to do with with the way you aim the p8 in reality.
(The p8 is the standard side-arm of the bundeswehr (German army) and is a USP with the trigger-group on the left side. So they are comparable.)
To sum it up:
Politicians are trying to ride the "ban video games" wave till after the next election. Expert state, that violence in computer games and reality are not related. A game cant be used to learn aiming with a real gun. There wont be any ban.
post scriptum: 380 germans die every day, because of smoking. Thats over 100.000 a year. Compare this to overall less than 1000 murder victims each year. And now compare this to 5 victims a year, killed in amoks, that were linked to computer games by politicians and certain media.
<!--quoteo(post=1585598:date=Dec 8 2006, 05:43 AM:name=Shzar)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Shzar @ Dec 8 2006, 05:43 AM) [snapback]1585598[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> I feel as if Godwin's Law is in effect.
I'm most concerned about about the "similar to humans" bit from Tyrain's post. I know that Germany always had strict video game laws, but people always worked around that by making the baddies zombies, or aliens, or robots. Does this new ban mean that even those games are implicated? <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Uncut versions were never forbidden.
We just have a rather strict "youth protection" law, meaning the a company is not allowed to make advertisement for for violent game or even sell it in places, open to people under 18. But because germany is a rather big market for computer games, most companies just release their german versions cut, so they can still advertise them or sell them to minors.
There are quite a number of shops, specializing in selling uncut versions of video/pc games to adults. www.okaysoft.de would be an example.
<!--quoteo(post=1585917:date=Dec 9 2006, 01:12 AM:name=Gwahir)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Gwahir @ Dec 9 2006, 01:12 AM) [snapback]1585917[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Small note: it was the minister of the interior... <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Small note: It was NOT Schuble.
Germany is a country, divided into 16 counties. Every county has its own government, but they are lead by the country government.
So we actually have 17 ministers of interior.
It was not the "Bundesinnenminister Wolfgang Schuble". It was "Kurt Beckstein, Bayrischer Innenminister". And let me tell you "Beckstein" is usually among the first to make a quick move and also among the last to regret it. He is a pretty stubborn persona.
More freedom than in these other countries. Even if the pureblood brits here are nearly dead, and the native population are being made the minority by all these bloody immigrants.
But enough of me, and my slightly xenophobic tendency...
Someone tried this in the UK, and they'd be hung to dry.
<!--quoteo(post=1586355:date=Dec 9 2006, 01:58 PM:name=Faskalia)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Faskalia @ Dec 9 2006, 01:58 PM) [snapback]1586355[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> As for my personal statement: -It has been stated by some politicians, that the last amok used counter-strike for training his aim. -Yet, he only managed to wound 1 heavily and 4 lightly. So CS is really really great for improving your aim with a real weapon... who would have guessed <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/confused-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="???" border="0" alt="confused-fix.gif" /> <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
My gorge, playing CS helps you aim better IRL is like someone who wants to study how the Green Packers play and beat them, by playing/practicing against the Green Packers(controlled by the computer) in a video game of football.
For one thing, you cannot aim accurately without using the iron sight in most cases, in CS there is only hip shooting.
Real life does not have a cross hair that tells you where the gun is pointing at either.
Also, guns are heavy, and playing computer just contributes to weaker arm muscles. If you can barely hold the gun up, let alone steady, you're going to have trouble hitting stuff.
Oh my god, why are you clowns discussing reasons why counter-strike is not an effective way to train for real gun use? It's so idiotic and infantile it's not even worth mentioning. Stop trying to look smart by beating a dead horse with blatantly obvious observations.
To the keen eyed observer, you are upset about something.
what else is the internet for than making obvious statements in forums <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
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Feeling good about the fact, that someone quoted your post.
Cause we all know: If it gets quoted it has to be important!
Kouji_SanSr. Hινε UÏкεεÏεг - EUPT DeputyThe NetherlandsJoin Date: 2003-05-13Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
edited December 2006
Stupid ideas never get into the lawbooks, but they are still annoying.
Besides most of the media is only after the bad side of things. yknow why? Because they discovered that the bad side of things sells better then the positive stuff about the same thing, even though the bad side is usually only a very small part of the subject... It's no longer about truth anymore but cold hard cash.
<!--quoteo(post=1585965:date=Dec 9 2006, 02:38 AM:name=TychoCelchuuu)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TychoCelchuuu @ Dec 9 2006, 02:38 AM) [snapback]1585965[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Uh, nobody died because of violent video games. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Somebody once crossed a street, expecting to buy a copy of Counter-Strike (retail). He was overjoyed because he saved up enough money to finally get it and thus start pwning noobs, to a point he didn't notice the truck before it was too late...
<!--quoteo(post=1587164:date=Dec 11 2006, 02:01 PM:name=Cereal_KillR)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Cereal_KillR @ Dec 11 2006, 02:01 PM) [snapback]1587164[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Somebody once crossed a street, expecting to buy a copy of Counter-Strike (retail). He was overjoyed because he saved up enough money to finally get it and thus start pwning noobs, to a point he didn't notice the truck before it was too late... <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No he died because of FUN video games. If Counterstrike hadn't of been violent he still would have bit the dust.
Well technically, he died because he didn't check the road before crossing, but it was meant to be a sarcastic take at the way how some always find a link between murderers and violent games.
Kouji_SanSr. Hινε UÏкεεÏεг - EUPT DeputyThe NetherlandsJoin Date: 2003-05-13Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
Key word is "FUN" I think, you also failed at sarcasm in this case <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
I'm a slow learner. Then again, seeing "fun" and "Counter-Strike" so close to each other makes my eyes bleed, so I'd rather fail at sarcasm <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink-fix.gif" />
Kouji_SanSr. Hινε UÏкεεÏεг - EUPT DeputyThe NetherlandsJoin Date: 2003-05-13Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
Fair enuf ^^
If those two words were any closer together though it would result in one big Xplosion, which will eradicate the entire interweb. Can you imagin the horror if they were next to each other and the poster forgot to put a space in between them <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/asrifle.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="::asrifle::" border="0" alt="asrifle.gif" /> <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/pudgy.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="::gorge::" border="0" alt="pudgy.gif" />
interestingly enough, there was actually much blame shifted upon German Industrial Metal Music (Not too sure what that is). Bands like Rammstein and KMFDM were blamed. The media placed blame upon <b>both</b> film and video games also. However, this would seem to be pseudo accurate proof that the media needs to find something to demonize. Today, the blame is shifted exclusively onto games unlike the Columbine Shootings. Honestly, I don't think it is possible to place definite blame upon a certain stimuli that would cause a teenager to begin shooting people. I would have to say parenting, but that's my opinion. What I'm more concerned about is where people get these guns.
One time, I remember playing multiplayer Doom, and someone brought in these maps. I didn't realize they were the exact ones made by Eric Harris until after a little later...
<!--quoteo(post=1587801:date=Dec 13 2006, 02:54 AM:name=Crotalus)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Crotalus @ Dec 13 2006, 02:54 AM) [snapback]1587801[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Oh man, this reminds me of the the reports and aftermath of the Columbine Shootings.
interestingly enough, there was actually much blame shifted upon German Industrial Metal Music (Not too sure what that is). Bands like Rammstein and KMFDM were blamed. The media placed blame upon <b>both</b> film and video games also. However, this would seem to be pseudo accurate proof that the media needs to find something to demonize. Today, the blame is shifted exclusively onto games unlike the Columbine Shootings. Honestly, I don't think it is possible to place definite blame upon a certain stimuli that would cause a teenager to begin shooting people. I would have to say parenting, but that's my opinion. What I'm more concerned about is where people get these guns.
One time, I remember playing multiplayer Doom, and someone brought in these maps. I didn't realize they were the exact ones made by Eric Harris until after a little later... <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I blame everything on music... really... Popstars and American Idol have ruined my life!
<!--quoteo(post=1587801:date=Dec 12 2006, 05:54 PM:name=Crotalus)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Crotalus @ Dec 12 2006, 05:54 PM) [snapback]1587801[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Oh man, this reminds me of the the reports and aftermath of the Columbine Shootings.
interestingly enough, there was actually much blame shifted upon German Industrial Metal Music (Not too sure what that is). Bands like Rammstein and KMFDM were blamed. The media placed blame upon <b>both</b> film and video games also. However, this would seem to be pseudo accurate proof that the media needs to find something to demonize. Today, the blame is shifted exclusively onto games unlike the Columbine Shootings. Honestly, I don't think it is possible to place definite blame upon a certain stimuli that would cause a teenager to begin shooting people. I would have to say parenting, but that's my opinion. What I'm more concerned about is where people get these guns.
One time, I remember playing multiplayer Doom, and someone brought in these maps. I didn't realize they were the exact ones made by Eric Harris until after a little later... <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster" target="_blank">Bath School disaster</a>, if violent video games were made back then, I'd think people would blame that.
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Who/What did they blame then?
Anyone here old enough to remember? . . . . . Depot ? <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />
Why all the hate on Counterstrike? Seriously I know you guys like to think you are better then other computer gamers because of your choice of game, but to say one of the most played video game EVER isn't FUN is idiotic.
QuaunautThe longest seven days in history...Join Date: 2003-03-21Member: 14759Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
<!--quoteo(post=1587980:date=Dec 13 2006, 07:10 AM:name=Testament)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Testament @ Dec 13 2006, 07:10 AM) [snapback]1587980[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> The rise of Christianity as Paganism fell out of favour? <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
To be honest I used to be quite a counterstrike player. These days I don't bother anymore though and I totally understand why CS is so abused. Reasons include...
1) It's popular. lots of people like to bash popular things. It's the popular thing to do! :D 2) Its community. Seriously. Back in ye olde days CS had lots of nice people in it. It still does have lots of nice people, it's just they're vastly outnumbered by the illiterate, the hateful and the ADD sufferers now :/ Hence the reason you hear the term 'counterstrike kiddy' so often these days. 3) It's old. Really old now. It may have revamped graphics and a few small features tacked on but it's not really changed a heck of a lot for a good long while and some people are just tired of it.
I don't really bash CS personally but if I was I'd probably hit number 2 for my reason to be :3
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Quaunaut, with all due respect, you have no clue what you are talking about. The swastika ban has nothing to do with denial of the past. Denying the past is exactly what the german people has NOT done, and you demean yourself and us by postulating this when you have obviously not made the slightest effort to actually research the matter.
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I haven't gone out and researched the matter, no, but then again, banning something because of a bad history with it just seems like an ignorant strategy to me. I'll take down the comment if it offends you that much, but free speech isn't free speech when censorship rules(and I've heard way more than one German complain about their own country's censorship rules).
This is going to be a very long thread if you get indignant every time an American is ignorant about another country. In fact it's going to be a very long decade.
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Century and/or millennium.
<a href="http://gamepolitics.com/2006/12/06/in-wake-of-rampage-german-minister-wants-jail-time-for-violent-game-creators-and-distributors/" target="_blank">Article</a>
Along with Germany's very strict rules concerning video game violence, now there is a movement to put violent game developers, publishers, and <i>players</i> in jail.
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Take my word: It will never make it into a law.
The whole debate has been created by politicians who are trying to become popular for the next election.
Every expert I have seen on TV, heard on the radio during the last 2 weeks stated pretty much the same things:
-A ban of violent games is not enforceable, nor controllable.
-Playing a violent game makes you as much a killer, as reading a "crime novel".
-The persons that went amok, loved guns and violent games to such an extreme extent, because they were psychopaths. Games did not make them psychotic, they already were.
As for my personal statement:
-It has been stated by some politicians, that the last amok used counter-strike for training his aim.
-Yet, he only managed to wound 1 heavily and 4 lightly. So CS is really really great for improving your aim with a real weapon... who would have guessed <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/confused-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="???" border="0" alt="confused-fix.gif" />
From my personal experience:
-The way you aim a USP in CS, has nothing to do with with the way you aim the p8 in reality.
(The p8 is the standard side-arm of the bundeswehr (German army) and is a USP with the trigger-group on the left side. So they are comparable.)
To sum it up:
Politicians are trying to ride the "ban video games" wave till after the next election.
Expert state, that violence in computer games and reality are not related.
A game cant be used to learn aiming with a real gun.
There wont be any ban.
post scriptum: 380 germans die every day, because of smoking. Thats over 100.000 a year.
Compare this to overall less than 1000 murder victims each year. And now compare this to 5 victims a year, killed in amoks, that were linked to computer games by politicians and certain media.
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I feel as if Godwin's Law is in effect.
I'm most concerned about about the "similar to humans" bit from Tyrain's post. I know that Germany always had strict video game laws, but people always worked around that by making the baddies zombies, or aliens, or robots. Does this new ban mean that even those games are implicated?
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Uncut versions were never forbidden.
We just have a rather strict "youth protection" law, meaning the a company is not allowed to make advertisement for for violent game or even sell it in places, open to people under 18.
But because germany is a rather big market for computer games, most companies just release their german versions cut, so they can still advertise them or sell them to minors.
There are quite a number of shops, specializing in selling uncut versions of video/pc games to adults.
www.okaysoft.de would be an example.
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Small note: it was the minister of the interior...
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Small note: It was NOT Schuble.
Germany is a country, divided into 16 counties. Every county has its own government, but they are lead by the country government.
So we actually have 17 ministers of interior.
It was not the "Bundesinnenminister Wolfgang Schuble".
It was "Kurt Beckstein, Bayrischer Innenminister".
And let me tell you "Beckstein" is usually among the first to make a quick move and also among the last to regret it. He is a pretty stubborn persona.
More freedom than in these other countries. Even if the pureblood brits here are nearly dead, and the native population are being made the minority by all these bloody immigrants.
But enough of me, and my slightly xenophobic tendency...
Someone tried this in the UK, and they'd be hung to dry.
As for my personal statement:
-It has been stated by some politicians, that the last amok used counter-strike for training his aim.
-Yet, he only managed to wound 1 heavily and 4 lightly. So CS is really really great for improving your aim with a real weapon... who would have guessed <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/confused-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="???" border="0" alt="confused-fix.gif" />
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My gorge, playing CS helps you aim better IRL is like someone who wants to study how the Green Packers play and beat them, by playing/practicing against the Green Packers(controlled by the computer) in a video game of football.
For one thing, you cannot aim accurately without using the iron sight in most cases, in CS there is only hip shooting.
Real life does not have a cross hair that tells you where the gun is pointing at either.
what else is the internet for than making obvious statements in forums <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
what else is the internet for than making obvious statements in forums <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
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Feeling good about the fact, that someone quoted your post.
Cause we all know: If it gets quoted it has to be important!
Besides most of the media is only after the bad side of things. yknow why? Because they discovered that the bad side of things sells better then the positive stuff about the same thing, even though the bad side is usually only a very small part of the subject... It's no longer about truth anymore but cold hard cash.
Uh, nobody died because of violent video games.
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Somebody once crossed a street, expecting to buy a copy of Counter-Strike (retail). He was overjoyed because he saved up enough money to finally get it and thus start pwning noobs, to a point he didn't notice the truck before it was too late...
Somebody once crossed a street, expecting to buy a copy of Counter-Strike (retail). He was overjoyed because he saved up enough money to finally get it and thus start pwning noobs, to a point he didn't notice the truck before it was too late...
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No he died because of FUN video games. If Counterstrike hadn't of been violent he still would have bit the dust.
If those two words were any closer together though it would result in one big Xplosion, which will eradicate the entire interweb. Can you imagin the horror if they were next to each other and the poster forgot to put a space in between them <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/asrifle.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="::asrifle::" border="0" alt="asrifle.gif" /> <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/pudgy.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="::gorge::" border="0" alt="pudgy.gif" />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbine_High_School_massacre" target="_blank">Wikipedia: Columbine Massacre</a>
interestingly enough, there was actually much blame shifted upon German Industrial Metal Music (Not too sure what that is). Bands like Rammstein and KMFDM were blamed. The media placed blame upon <b>both</b> film and video games also. However, this would seem to be pseudo accurate proof that the media needs to find something to demonize. Today, the blame is shifted exclusively onto games unlike the Columbine Shootings. Honestly, I don't think it is possible to place definite blame upon a certain stimuli that would cause a teenager to begin shooting people. I would have to say parenting, but that's my opinion. What I'm more concerned about is where people get these guns.
One time, I remember playing multiplayer Doom, and someone brought in these maps. I didn't realize they were the exact ones made by Eric Harris until after a little later...
Oh man, this reminds me of the the reports and aftermath of the Columbine Shootings.
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbine_High_School_massacre" target="_blank">Wikipedia: Columbine Massacre</a>
interestingly enough, there was actually much blame shifted upon German Industrial Metal Music (Not too sure what that is). Bands like Rammstein and KMFDM were blamed. The media placed blame upon <b>both</b> film and video games also. However, this would seem to be pseudo accurate proof that the media needs to find something to demonize. Today, the blame is shifted exclusively onto games unlike the Columbine Shootings. Honestly, I don't think it is possible to place definite blame upon a certain stimuli that would cause a teenager to begin shooting people. I would have to say parenting, but that's my opinion. What I'm more concerned about is where people get these guns.
One time, I remember playing multiplayer Doom, and someone brought in these maps. I didn't realize they were the exact ones made by Eric Harris until after a little later...
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I blame everything on music... really... Popstars and American Idol have ruined my life!
Oh man, this reminds me of the the reports and aftermath of the Columbine Shootings.
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbine_High_School_massacre" target="_blank">Wikipedia: Columbine Massacre</a>
interestingly enough, there was actually much blame shifted upon German Industrial Metal Music (Not too sure what that is). Bands like Rammstein and KMFDM were blamed. The media placed blame upon <b>both</b> film and video games also. However, this would seem to be pseudo accurate proof that the media needs to find something to demonize. Today, the blame is shifted exclusively onto games unlike the Columbine Shootings. Honestly, I don't think it is possible to place definite blame upon a certain stimuli that would cause a teenager to begin shooting people. I would have to say parenting, but that's my opinion. What I'm more concerned about is where people get these guns.
One time, I remember playing multiplayer Doom, and someone brought in these maps. I didn't realize they were the exact ones made by Eric Harris until after a little later...
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<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster" target="_blank">Bath School disaster</a>, if violent video games were made back then, I'd think people would blame that.
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster" target="_blank">Bath School disaster</a>, if violent video games were made back then, I'd think people would blame that.
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Who/What did they blame then?
Anyone here old enough to remember?
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Depot ? <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />
Rock music. Damn, still earlier.
Hell, I dunno.
Television. Wait, it happened before that.
Rock music. Damn, still earlier.
Hell, I dunno.
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The rise of Christianity as Paganism fell out of favour?
The rise of Christianity as Paganism fell out of favour?
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You stole my fun-lady! Krug beat you now!
1) It's popular. lots of people like to bash popular things. It's the popular thing to do! :D
2) Its community. Seriously. Back in ye olde days CS had lots of nice people in it. It still does have lots of nice people, it's just they're vastly outnumbered by the illiterate, the hateful and the ADD sufferers now :/
Hence the reason you hear the term 'counterstrike kiddy' so often these days.
3) It's old. Really old now. It may have revamped graphics and a few small features tacked on but it's not really changed a heck of a lot for a good long while and some people are just tired of it.
I don't really bash CS personally but if I was I'd probably hit number 2 for my reason to be :3