QuaunautThe longest seven days in history...Join Date: 2003-03-21Member: 14759Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
I Bhop just fine(I just learned it a few days back. I'm not perfect, but I can get a ton in a row if I'm not distracted IRL) without scripts. Mwheel ftw! Thanks Titanium!
And one thing I've noticed: Voogru, you realize there are ways around your blockscripts right?
<!--QuoteBegin-Quaunaut+Sep 4 2004, 08:35 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Quaunaut @ Sep 4 2004, 08:35 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I Bhop just fine(I just learned it a few days back. I'm not perfect, but I can get a ton in a row if I'm not distracted IRL) without scripts. Mwheel ftw! Thanks Titanium!
And one thing I've noticed: Voogru, you realize there are ways around your blockscripts right? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> A mousewheel is just like a +3jumps script, in fact it's better because it's easier to time.
<!--QuoteBegin-Yumosis+Sep 4 2004, 08:31 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Yumosis @ Sep 4 2004, 08:31 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Silver Fox+Sep 4 2004, 06:15 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Silver Fox @ Sep 4 2004, 06:15 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-Yumosis+Sep 4 2004, 07:29 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Yumosis @ Sep 4 2004, 07:29 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Silver Fox+Sep 4 2004, 05:04 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Silver Fox @ Sep 4 2004, 05:04 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Theres this thing we used to have back in the early, early NS days called skill.
Where we didn't rely on scripts to do a leap+bite or bunny hop. We just did it with our own reaction times and through lots of practice and fast moving.
Try it that way.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> That's a rather <span style='color:white'>prejudiced</span> statement against someone that just wants to play with a different set of controls. I fail to see how binding my mwheel to jump and using an alias that has jump 3 times are that much different, or how one requires anymore <i>skill</i> than the other. As for me, I haven't really knowticed, I use mousewheel and I can't tell any difference, but I've had people tell me the skulk feels sluggish.
<span style='color:gray'>*edit: racism is a different thing entirely. be careful with that word, some people react to it in bad ways.</span> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> lol, did he actually say raciest?
k then.
www.dictionary.com
Anyway - it requires more skill because you have to press the button 2 more times. You may think .. "oh, wow, big deal, it's only 2 times." But when is enough enough? When you can press one button and do five? ten?
It needed to have an end put to it and it did. I for one, couldn't be happier. And it's not a 'different set of controls'. It's pressing 1 button and having multiple commands executed at the same time. By you're logic, I could create a vast number of scripts, limiting my input into the computer nearly completely to make a nearly bot like gaming environment. Yea, sounds just like NSPlayers control settings here.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Btw raci<b>e</b>st? Dictionary.com pr0 lol
<a href='http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=race' target='_blank'>http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=race</a> <b>4. Humans considered as a group.</b> <a href='http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=racism' target='_blank'>http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=racism</a> <b>2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.</b>
Viewing humans that use scripts, as "scripters" I think places them into one group, and then telling him he's inferior because he "doesn't have as much skill" by using a simple script. I think that sets it up as racism, maybe that's too strong a word, I'm sorry if it is.
While I don't use any kind of bhop script, I just think it was rude to shoot a simple question down with "LOL IM BETTER I DONT USE SCRIPTS". Btw, when did clicking = skill? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> He's got a point. Where do you get off saying any of that? Lets back up argument with cold hard statistics, not "LOL UR LAME, ADN DONT NO TEH ENGLISH"
its only true if you class scripters as a completely distinguishable group, which last I checked no one does. And as such makes the term melodramatic and crappy.
<!--QuoteBegin-NGE+Sep 4 2004, 07:56 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NGE @ Sep 4 2004, 07:56 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Gosh darn now people with good computers can do things they normally can do whilst I sit here and suffer thank you blockscripts.
The timeing gets and feels much different when you're bhopping at 17 fps. Try it without +3jumps or mwheel. Tell me how much fun you're having.
Maybe if I were some rich **** who could afford a computer than gets 10000 fps, then yes, I wouldn't have any problems at all with this, but right now all it does is even the playing field.
I'd better get more skill (ask for a raise)
EDIT:
I'm talking to Forlorn, and he tells me to post this:
Oh and by the way, you can't actually dismiss scripts untill you are a good player.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> scripts for teh loose, enlightenment for the win<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Theres this thing we used to have back in the early, early NS days called skill.
Where we didn't rely on scripts to do a leap+bite or bunny hop. We just did it with our own reaction times and through lots of practice and fast moving.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Anyway - it requires more skill because you have to press the button 2 more times. You may think .. "oh, wow, big deal, it's only 2 times." But when is enough enough? When you can press one button and do five? ten?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> then learn to bhop without a script, or use stealth and teamwork.
You wouldn't know good teamwork if it slapped your face
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I can bhop pretty decenly without +3jump. happy days!<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I wonder how this will effect people like #cri. who are more scripts than person sitting at a computer?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What this last statement is supposd to mean is beyond me.
By the way, wanna see some skill? Let me point you to some high calibur HLTV demo's of the last CAL finals. There we see good aim and good movement skill. Please tell me how scripts played the entire 45 min round for me.
<a href='ftp://ns:ns@cri-hacks.com/' target='_blank'>FTP link.</a> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Nice to see the scripters are posting in fear and retalitaion now. If scripts don't give u skillz, then you have nothing to be worried about. according to you scripts dont make a difference, so u should be as good without them. If they did give you an advantage which you now lose, then its proof that scripts were an unfair advantage.
<!--QuoteBegin-JimBowen+Sep 4 2004, 08:37 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (JimBowen @ Sep 4 2004, 08:37 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-NGE+Sep 4 2004, 07:56 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NGE @ Sep 4 2004, 07:56 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Gosh darn now people with good computers can do things they normally can do whilst I sit here and suffer thank you blockscripts.
The timeing gets and feels much different when you're bhopping at 17 fps. Try it without +3jumps or mwheel. Tell me how much fun you're having.
Maybe if I were some rich **** who could afford a computer than gets 10000 fps, then yes, I wouldn't have any problems at all with this, but right now all it does is even the playing field.
I'd better get more skill (ask for a raise)
EDIT:
I'm talking to Forlorn, and he tells me to post this:
Oh and by the way, you can't actually dismiss scripts untill you are a good player.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> scripts for teh loose, enlightenment for the win<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Theres this thing we used to have back in the early, early NS days called skill.
Where we didn't rely on scripts to do a leap+bite or bunny hop. We just did it with our own reaction times and through lots of practice and fast moving.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Anyway - it requires more skill because you have to press the button 2 more times. You may think .. "oh, wow, big deal, it's only 2 times." But when is enough enough? When you can press one button and do five? ten?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> then learn to bhop without a script, or use stealth and teamwork.
You wouldn't know good teamwork if it slapped your face
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I can bhop pretty decenly without +3jump. happy days!<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I wonder how this will effect people like #cri. who are more scripts than person sitting at a computer?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What this last statement is supposd to mean is beyond me.
By the way, wanna see some skill? Let me point you to some high calibur HLTV demo's of the last CAL finals. There we see good aim and good movement skill. Please tell me how scripts played the entire 45 min round for me.
<a href='ftp://ns:ns@cri-hacks.com/' target='_blank'>FTP link.</a> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Nice to see the scripters are posting in fear and retalitaion now. If scripts don't give u skillz, then you have nothing to be worried about. according to you scripts dont make a difference, so u should be as good without them. If they did give you an advantage which you now lose, then its proof that scripts were an unfair advantage. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> How is a script going to help me lmg you better? Is it an aim script? That's called a hack buddy.
It's not an unfair advantage, is customizeing your controls. I'm very aggrivated that they're takeing away a customization. Imagine if you could only bind certain commands to certain keys. It's the same situation, limiting our factors.
I didn't say they don't make a difference, they help one's prefrence.
::EDIT:: I'd seriously stop with the flames, Jim. You've already been reported. Save yourself now.
QuaunautThe longest seven days in history...Join Date: 2003-03-21Member: 14759Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
<!--QuoteBegin-NGE+Sep 4 2004, 06:36 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NGE @ Sep 4 2004, 06:36 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Quaunaut+Sep 4 2004, 08:35 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Quaunaut @ Sep 4 2004, 08:35 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I Bhop just fine(I just learned it a few days back. I'm not perfect, but I can get a ton in a row if I'm not distracted IRL) without scripts. Mwheel ftw! Thanks Titanium!
And one thing I've noticed: Voogru, you realize there are ways around your blockscripts right? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> A mousewheel is just like a +3jumps script, in fact it's better because it's easier to time. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Yeah. I know. But you know what? Its still not a script. And another thing: I was doing just fine before without BHopping. My skill level hasn't changed much with it(I can't get the really, really wide BHops down, plan on having another session), only the time it takes for me to save a hive(I seem to be really good at saving our team's ****, but can't kill the other team at the appropriate time...psychological?)
I myself think scripts are fine. Now, overt scripting, I think is pretty stupid. I'll definately incline to that. But regular scripting? The average BHop is fine, average lastinv fine, all of those. Frankly- and I've seen people try- its nigh impossible to bhop consistently without a script/mousewheel. Now, if your going to not cap skulk speed(which you can't anyway, thanks to leap), then isn't it kind of pointless to kill scripts?
For me it really doesn't matter. The only real 'script' I used were chatbinds, and they were unaffected(which I find funny, being they do EXACTLY what voogru says is blocked. I'm gonna talk to him later about that).
It's not an unfair advantage, is customizeing your controls. I'm very aggrivated that they're takeing away a customization. Imagine if you could only bind certain commands to certain keys. It's the same situation, limiting our factors.
I didn't say they don't make a difference, they help one's prefrence. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> The words that sum it up for me is, 'even playing field' Everyone being forced to use the same controls, which will only lead to a more fair game. Im not saying scripts are Hacks, im saying they give you an advantage, if only a small one. Pistol script for exsample. You could fire the pistol the same speed. by tapping the mouse really fast. However a pistol script does the mouse tapping for you, and allows you to aim you mouse precisely, whilst not hammering it with your finger. Not huge advantage, but an advantage non the less.
You use the word customization, over the word advantage. People in the NS community are not stupid.
I guess what im trying to say is, now you will have to tap your own damm mouse like everyone else does, rather than letting a line of code do it for you.
yeap, i miss my +3jumps script. now i cant use mouse4 to bhop and have to use mwheel which stop me from beind able to attack since i use my index finger to attack and bhop :/ it feels queer.
BizZy_9mm_MessiahOld School MemberJoin Date: 2003-07-25Member: 18411Members, Constellation
edited September 2004
Complain, complain, complain. If a person wants to use scripts, let them, don't get off on telling them to get skills. It's their deal, if they are more comfortable playing with scripts then shut you (WUH WOH I MADE A SPELLING ERROR, SILVER FOX IS GONNA GET ME!) damn dirty heathen mouth. Don't like scripts? Go run your own damn nazi server with mp_blockscripts enabled. "Scripts give you an unfair advantage." Pfft, thats such a load of **** that it puts Mrs.Cleo to shame. Hell, I use a pistol script and a 3jump script and I still suck. If you have hud_fastswitch enabled, you're a "dirty scripter", if you have a key binded to "last used weapon" you're a "dirty scripter". Honestly, I don't see how you guys can sit here and complain about unfair advantages when these configurations are accessible to everyone.
oh what the hell you can still change sidespeed? Ive been b0ned! <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-BizZy | 9mm Messiah+Sep 4 2004, 02:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BizZy | 9mm Messiah @ Sep 4 2004, 02:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Complain, complain, complain. If a person wants to use scripts, let them, don't get off on telling them to get skills. It's their deal, if they are more comfortable playing with scripts then shut you damn dirty heathen mouth. Don't like scripts? Go run your own damn nazi server with mp_blockscripts enabled. "Scripts give you an unfair advantage." Pfft, thats such a load of **** that it puts Mrs.Cleo to shame. Hell, I use a pistol script and a 3jump script and I still suck. If you have hud_fastswitch enabled, you're a "dirty scripter", if you have a key binded to "last used weapon" you're a "dirty scripter". <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> hes not telling anyone to do anything, he is merely making fun of them if you have a problem with this go form your own nazi cult that makes making fun of people for valid logical reasons illegal <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Leveling the playing feild in a computer game isn't gonna happen. In fact, I'm talking to some players right now that are developing macro's to get around the script bann. They realize it's only a matter of time before all scripts are gone forever, so they are moving forward.
Sad on two things:
1. That they need to resort to this
2. That you think you can level the playing field. What a complete joke.
youre the one that thought you could level the playing field, Id quote you on it but Id pray to god you werent as stupid as that <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
BizZy_9mm_MessiahOld School MemberJoin Date: 2003-07-25Member: 18411Members, Constellation
<!--QuoteBegin-ZiGGY^+Sep 4 2004, 08:54 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ZiGGY^ @ Sep 4 2004, 08:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-BizZy | 9mm Messiah+Sep 4 2004, 02:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BizZy | 9mm Messiah @ Sep 4 2004, 02:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Complain, complain, complain. If a person wants to use scripts, let them, don't get off on telling them to get skills. It's their deal, if they are more comfortable playing with scripts then shut you damn dirty heathen mouth. Don't like scripts? Go run your own damn nazi server with mp_blockscripts enabled. "Scripts give you an unfair advantage." Pfft, thats such a load of **** that it puts Mrs.Cleo to shame. Hell, I use a pistol script and a 3jump script and I still suck. If you have hud_fastswitch enabled, you're a "dirty scripter", if you have a key binded to "last used weapon" you're a "dirty scripter". <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> hes not telling anyone to do anything, he is merely making fun of them if you have a problem with this go form your own nazi cult that makes making fun of people for valid logical reasons illegal <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I wasn't addressing a specific person. I was addressing all the little paranoid whiners.
<!--QuoteBegin-Tink+Sep 4 2004, 09:02 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Tink @ Sep 4 2004, 09:02 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> NGE love or less than three are a european clan and unlikely to be in CAL. Stop. - Tink <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> It's not a good clan. I know what you are talking about now, thanks for helping to remind me.
<!--QuoteBegin-Tink+Sep 4 2004, 03:02 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Tink @ Sep 4 2004, 03:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> NGE love or less than three are a european clan and unlikely to be in CAL. Stop. - Tink <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> no team LOVE is rapacious/moomin/standard etc it isnt team <3 #team.love on qnet
<!--QuoteBegin-NGE+Sep 4 2004, 08:57 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NGE @ Sep 4 2004, 08:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Leveling the playing feild in a computer game isn't gonna happen.
Sad on two things:
1. That they need to resort to this
2. That you think you can level the playing field. What a complete joke. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> So your not striving for a level playing field? I get the impression you wouln't like one. It would be say, to your disadvantage?
<!--QuoteBegin-BizZy | 9mm Messiah+Sep 4 2004, 03:03 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BizZy | 9mm Messiah @ Sep 4 2004, 03:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-ZiGGY^+Sep 4 2004, 08:54 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ZiGGY^ @ Sep 4 2004, 08:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-BizZy | 9mm Messiah+Sep 4 2004, 02:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BizZy | 9mm Messiah @ Sep 4 2004, 02:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Complain, complain, complain. If a person wants to use scripts, let them, don't get off on telling them to get skills. It's their deal, if they are more comfortable playing with scripts then shut you damn dirty heathen mouth. Don't like scripts? Go run your own damn nazi server with mp_blockscripts enabled. "Scripts give you an unfair advantage." Pfft, thats such a load of **** that it puts Mrs.Cleo to shame. Hell, I use a pistol script and a 3jump script and I still suck. If you have hud_fastswitch enabled, you're a "dirty scripter", if you have a key binded to "last used weapon" you're a "dirty scripter". <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> hes not telling anyone to do anything, he is merely making fun of them if you have a problem with this go form your own nazi cult that makes making fun of people for valid logical reasons illegal <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I wasn't addressing a specific person. I was addressing all the little paranoid whiners. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> rant for the win! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I realize this horse has been beaten to death many times but seriously : the only way you can level the playing field is by balancing the game. Balance, not screwing over players.
If you want to remove an exploit from the game such as the detailtextures problems then I can understand that. One the other hand forcing people to use standard binds to be "fair" is a joke. Why don't you just force everyone to use 800x600 software mode to make up for those people that don't have good computer? Why not just make everyone use the arrow keys or even better yet, make them all use keyboard only to make up for those with crappy mice.
Seems dramatic huh? Well right now people that are taking the time to make a config that helps them play a little easier are being penalized because other people deem it to be "unfair". What's unfair about people wanting to play their best?
ANYONE can add the 2 extra lines into their config and do the EXACT SAME THING. The damn aliases get posted on this forum at least once a week with people complaining about them. Why not just use them and make it easier for you?
I'll probably still not use most of them, but I know that if I want to at any point in time I can ask any of the guys that use them and they will gladly help me out. Isn't that what these forums are really for? Getting help and talking about stuff instead of just complaining and whining?
<!--QuoteBegin-BizZy | 9mm Messiah+Sep 4 2004, 08:52 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BizZy | 9mm Messiah @ Sep 4 2004, 08:52 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Complain, complain, complain. If a person wants to use scripts, let them, don't get off on telling them to get skills. It's their deal, if they are more comfortable playing with scripts then shut you (WUH WOH I MADE A SPELLING ERROR, SILVER FOX IS GONNA GET ME!) damn dirty heathen mouth. Don't like scripts? Go run your own damn nazi server with mp_blockscripts enabled. "Scripts give you an unfair advantage." Pfft, thats such a load of **** that it puts Mrs.Cleo to shame. Hell, I use a pistol script and a 3jump script and I still suck. If you have hud_fastswitch enabled, you're a "dirty scripter", if you have a key binded to "last used weapon" you're a "dirty scripter". Honestly, I don't see how you guys can sit here and complain about unfair advantages when these configurations are accessible to everyone. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Lol perhaps you suck because you use scripts, try playing without them and practice without them. Sure it might be hard at first but in the long run you end up a far superior player who doesnt rely on scripts. Scripting isnt lame or hacking, it just strikes me as damn lazy and an admission that you will never be able to be coordinated enough to play without them.
Its like when i play combat i never get focus because it means in the long run ill be a better skulk in ns_ maps as i practice tracking more if im not using focus.
If you always chose the easy way out in life you end up losing.
And i bhop with my mwheel, and i did find it awkward at first cos i use the same finger to press mouse 1 and to scroll my mwheel, but you know what? after some practice i can bhop pretty well and attack whilst bhopping. Why should NS be a game completely devoid of skill, its a pretty damn easy game already anyway.
Lately I've been playing without and I can't hit **** with a pistol. I have to hammer the button to fire as fast as I can with an alias and doing so my aim flys all over the place. Screw that.
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<!--QuoteBegin-sej+Sep 4 2004, 09:28 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (sej @ Sep 4 2004, 09:28 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-BizZy | 9mm Messiah+Sep 4 2004, 08:52 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BizZy | 9mm Messiah @ Sep 4 2004, 08:52 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Complain, complain, complain. If a person wants to use scripts, let them, don't get off on telling them to get skills. It's their deal, if they are more comfortable playing with scripts then shut you (WUH WOH I MADE A SPELLING ERROR, SILVER FOX IS GONNA GET ME!) damn dirty heathen mouth. Don't like scripts? Go run your own damn nazi server with mp_blockscripts enabled. "Scripts give you an unfair advantage." Pfft, thats such a load of **** that it puts Mrs.Cleo to shame. Hell, I use a pistol script and a 3jump script and I still suck. If you have hud_fastswitch enabled, you're a "dirty scripter", if you have a key binded to "last used weapon" you're a "dirty scripter". Honestly, I don't see how you guys can sit here and complain about unfair advantages when these configurations are accessible to everyone. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Lol perhaps you suck because you use scripts, try playing without them and practice without them. Sure it might be hard at first but in the long run you end up a far superior player who doesnt rely on scripts. Scripting isnt lame or hacking, it just strikes me as damn lazy and an admission that you will never be able to be coordinated enough to play without them.
Its like when i play combat i never get focus because it means in the long run ill be a better skulk in ns_ maps as i practice tracking more if im not using focus.
If you always chose the easy way out in life you end up losing.
And i bhop with my mwheel, and i did find it awkward at first cos i use the same finger to press mouse 1 and to scroll my mwheel, but you know what? after some practice i can bhop pretty well and attack whilst bhopping. Why should NS be a game completely devoid of skill, its a pretty damn easy game already anyway. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Give Mosis a script, he'll own, give Chinpo Player a script, he's bound to suck. How good you do with or without a script doesn't have **** to do with the script you idiot. Now, I'm saying I suck compared to the superior players (Mosis, Multi, Sin, and all those other guys) I'm pretty sure I could prove your theory wrong in a lil One on One with or without scripts, but kool, keep telling yourself this buddy. Good Job!
<!--QuoteBegin-NGE+Sep 4 2004, 07:56 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NGE @ Sep 4 2004, 07:56 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The timeing gets and feels much different when you're bhopping at 17 fps. Try it without +3jumps or mwheel. Tell me how much fun you're having.
Maybe if I were some rich **** who could afford a computer than gets 10000 fps, then yes, I wouldn't have any problems at all with this, but right now all it does is even the playing field. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> regardless of what your computer is right now for at most $100 you could upgrade it enough that you'd get constant 60+ fps in NS
<!--QuoteBegin-sej+Sep 4 2004, 09:28 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (sej @ Sep 4 2004, 09:28 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-BizZy | 9mm Messiah+Sep 4 2004, 08:52 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BizZy | 9mm Messiah @ Sep 4 2004, 08:52 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Complain, complain, complain. If a person wants to use scripts, let them, don't get off on telling them to get skills. It's their deal, if they are more comfortable playing with scripts then shut you (WUH WOH I MADE A SPELLING ERROR, SILVER FOX IS GONNA GET ME!) damn dirty heathen mouth. Don't like scripts? Go run your own damn nazi server with mp_blockscripts enabled. "Scripts give you an unfair advantage." Pfft, thats such a load of **** that it puts Mrs.Cleo to shame. Hell, I use a pistol script and a 3jump script and I still suck. If you have hud_fastswitch enabled, you're a "dirty scripter", if you have a key binded to "last used weapon" you're a "dirty scripter". Honestly, I don't see how you guys can sit here and complain about unfair advantages when these configurations are accessible to everyone. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Lol perhaps you suck because you use scripts, try playing without them and practice without them. Sure it might be hard at first but in the long run you end up a far superior player who doesnt rely on scripts. Scripting isnt lame or hacking, it just strikes me as damn lazy and an admission that you will never be able to be coordinated enough to play without them.
Its like when i play combat i never get focus because it means in the long run ill be a better skulk in ns_ maps as i practice tracking more if im not using focus.
If you always chose the easy way out in life you end up losing.
And i bhop with my mwheel, and i did find it awkward at first cos i use the same finger to press mouse 1 and to scroll my mwheel, but you know what? after some practice i can bhop pretty well and attack whilst bhopping. Why should NS be a game completely devoid of skill, its a pretty damn easy game already anyway. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> "Lol perhaps you suck because you use the mouse, try aiming with the keyboard and practice without it. Sure it might be hard at first but in the long run you end up a far superior player who doesn't rely on a mouse. A mouse isn't lame or hacking, it just strikes me as damn lazy and an admission that you will never be able to be coordinated enough to play without one." <img src='http://www.giantninjarobots.net/stuff/rolleyes-big.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
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And one thing I've noticed: Voogru, you realize there are ways around your blockscripts right?
And one thing I've noticed: Voogru, you realize there are ways around your blockscripts right? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
A mousewheel is just like a +3jumps script, in fact it's better because it's easier to time.
Where we didn't rely on scripts to do a leap+bite or bunny hop. We just did it with our own reaction times and through lots of practice and fast moving.
Try it that way.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's a rather <span style='color:white'>prejudiced</span> statement against someone that just wants to play with a different set of controls. I fail to see how binding my mwheel to jump and using an alias that has jump 3 times are that much different, or how one requires anymore <i>skill</i> than the other. As for me, I haven't really knowticed, I use mousewheel and I can't tell any difference, but I've had people tell me the skulk feels sluggish.
<span style='color:gray'>*edit: racism is a different thing entirely. be careful with that word, some people react to it in bad ways.</span> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
lol, did he actually say raciest?
k then.
www.dictionary.com
Anyway - it requires more skill because you have to press the button 2 more times. You may think .. "oh, wow, big deal, it's only 2 times." But when is enough enough? When you can press one button and do five? ten?
It needed to have an end put to it and it did. I for one, couldn't be happier. And it's not a 'different set of controls'. It's pressing 1 button and having multiple commands executed at the same time. By you're logic, I could create a vast number of scripts, limiting my input into the computer nearly completely to make a nearly bot like gaming environment. Yea, sounds just like NSPlayers control settings here.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Btw raci<b>e</b>st? Dictionary.com pr0 lol
<a href='http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=race' target='_blank'>http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=race</a>
<b>4. Humans considered as a group.</b>
<a href='http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=racism' target='_blank'>http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=racism</a>
<b>2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.</b>
Viewing humans that use scripts, as "scripters" I think places them into one group, and then telling him he's inferior because he "doesn't have as much skill" by using a simple script. I think that sets it up as racism, maybe that's too strong a word, I'm sorry if it is.
While I don't use any kind of bhop script, I just think it was rude to shoot a simple question down with "LOL IM BETTER I DONT USE SCRIPTS".
Btw, when did clicking = skill? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
He's got a point. Where do you get off saying any of that? Lets back up argument with cold hard statistics, not "LOL UR LAME, ADN DONT NO TEH ENGLISH"
::EDIT:: makeing good use of a double post.
The timeing gets and feels much different when you're bhopping at 17 fps. Try it without +3jumps or mwheel. Tell me how much fun you're having.
Maybe if I were some rich **** who could afford a computer than gets 10000 fps, then yes, I wouldn't have any problems at all with this, but right now all it does is even the playing field.
I'd better get more skill (ask for a raise)
EDIT:
I'm talking to Forlorn, and he tells me to post this:
Oh and by the way, you can't actually dismiss scripts untill you are a good player.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> scripts for teh loose, enlightenment for the win<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Theres this thing we used to have back in the early, early NS days called skill.
Where we didn't rely on scripts to do a leap+bite or bunny hop. We just did it with our own reaction times and through lots of practice and fast moving.
Try it that way.
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You wanna have a skill debate?
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Anyway - it requires more skill because you have to press the button 2 more times. You may think .. "oh, wow, big deal, it's only 2 times." But when is enough enough? When you can press one button and do five? ten?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> then learn to bhop without a script, or use stealth and teamwork.
Odd, that.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You wouldn't know good teamwork if it slapped your face
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I can bhop pretty decenly without +3jump. happy days!<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I wonder how this will effect people like #cri. who are more scripts than person sitting at a computer?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What this last statement is supposd to mean is beyond me.
By the way, wanna see some skill? Let me point you to some high calibur HLTV demo's of the last CAL finals. There we see good aim and good movement skill. Please tell me how scripts played the entire 45 min round for me.
<a href='ftp://ns:ns@cri-hacks.com/' target='_blank'>FTP link.</a> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Nice to see the scripters are posting in fear and retalitaion now. If scripts don't give u skillz, then you have nothing to be worried about. according to you scripts dont make a difference, so u should be as good without them. If they did give you an advantage which you now lose, then its proof that scripts were an unfair advantage.
The timeing gets and feels much different when you're bhopping at 17 fps. Try it without +3jumps or mwheel. Tell me how much fun you're having.
Maybe if I were some rich **** who could afford a computer than gets 10000 fps, then yes, I wouldn't have any problems at all with this, but right now all it does is even the playing field.
I'd better get more skill (ask for a raise)
EDIT:
I'm talking to Forlorn, and he tells me to post this:
Oh and by the way, you can't actually dismiss scripts untill you are a good player.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> scripts for teh loose, enlightenment for the win<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Theres this thing we used to have back in the early, early NS days called skill.
Where we didn't rely on scripts to do a leap+bite or bunny hop. We just did it with our own reaction times and through lots of practice and fast moving.
Try it that way.
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You wanna have a skill debate?
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Anyway - it requires more skill because you have to press the button 2 more times. You may think .. "oh, wow, big deal, it's only 2 times." But when is enough enough? When you can press one button and do five? ten?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> then learn to bhop without a script, or use stealth and teamwork.
Odd, that.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You wouldn't know good teamwork if it slapped your face
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I can bhop pretty decenly without +3jump. happy days!<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I wonder how this will effect people like #cri. who are more scripts than person sitting at a computer?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What this last statement is supposd to mean is beyond me.
By the way, wanna see some skill? Let me point you to some high calibur HLTV demo's of the last CAL finals. There we see good aim and good movement skill. Please tell me how scripts played the entire 45 min round for me.
<a href='ftp://ns:ns@cri-hacks.com/' target='_blank'>FTP link.</a> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Nice to see the scripters are posting in fear and retalitaion now. If scripts don't give u skillz, then you have nothing to be worried about. according to you scripts dont make a difference, so u should be as good without them. If they did give you an advantage which you now lose, then its proof that scripts were an unfair advantage. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
How is a script going to help me lmg you better? Is it an aim script? That's called a hack buddy.
It's not an unfair advantage, is customizeing your controls. I'm very aggrivated that they're takeing away a customization. Imagine if you could only bind certain commands to certain keys. It's the same situation, limiting our factors.
I didn't say they don't make a difference, they help one's prefrence.
::EDIT:: I'd seriously stop with the flames, Jim. You've already been reported. Save yourself now.
And one thing I've noticed: Voogru, you realize there are ways around your blockscripts right? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
A mousewheel is just like a +3jumps script, in fact it's better because it's easier to time. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah. I know. But you know what? Its still not a script. And another thing: I was doing just fine before without BHopping. My skill level hasn't changed much with it(I can't get the really, really wide BHops down, plan on having another session), only the time it takes for me to save a hive(I seem to be really good at saving our team's ****, but can't kill the other team at the appropriate time...psychological?)
I myself think scripts are fine. Now, overt scripting, I think is pretty stupid. I'll definately incline to that. But regular scripting? The average BHop is fine, average lastinv fine, all of those. Frankly- and I've seen people try- its nigh impossible to bhop consistently without a script/mousewheel. Now, if your going to not cap skulk speed(which you can't anyway, thanks to leap), then isn't it kind of pointless to kill scripts?
For me it really doesn't matter. The only real 'script' I used were chatbinds, and they were unaffected(which I find funny, being they do EXACTLY what voogru says is blocked. I'm gonna talk to him later about that).
It's not an unfair advantage, is customizeing your controls. I'm very aggrivated that they're takeing away a customization. Imagine if you could only bind certain commands to certain keys. It's the same situation, limiting our factors.
I didn't say they don't make a difference, they help one's prefrence. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The words that sum it up for me is, 'even playing field' Everyone being forced to use the same controls, which will only lead to a more fair game. Im not saying scripts are Hacks, im saying they give you an advantage, if only a small one. Pistol script for exsample. You could fire the pistol the same speed. by tapping the mouse really fast. However a pistol script does the mouse tapping for you, and allows you to aim you mouse precisely, whilst not hammering it with your finger. Not huge advantage, but an advantage non the less.
You use the word customization, over the word advantage. People in the NS community are not stupid.
I guess what im trying to say is, now you will have to tap your own damm mouse like everyone else does, rather than letting a line of code do it for you.
now i cant use mouse4 to bhop and have to use mwheel which stop me from beind able to attack since i use my index finger to attack and bhop :/ it feels queer.
hes not telling anyone to do anything, he is merely making fun of them if you have a problem with this go form your own nazi cult that makes making fun of people for valid logical reasons illegal <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Sad on two things:
1. That they need to resort to this
2. That you think you can level the playing field. What a complete joke.
hes not telling anyone to do anything, he is merely making fun of them if you have a problem with this go form your own nazi cult that makes making fun of people for valid logical reasons illegal <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I wasn't addressing a specific person. I was addressing all the little paranoid whiners.
It's not a good clan. I know what you are talking about now, thanks for helping to remind me.
no team LOVE is rapacious/moomin/standard etc it isnt team <3
#team.love on qnet
Sad on two things:
1. That they need to resort to this
2. That you think you can level the playing field. What a complete joke. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
So your not striving for a level playing field? I get the impression you wouln't like one. It would be say, to your disadvantage?
hes not telling anyone to do anything, he is merely making fun of them if you have a problem with this go form your own nazi cult that makes making fun of people for valid logical reasons illegal <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I wasn't addressing a specific person. I was addressing all the little paranoid whiners. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
rant for the win! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
If you want to remove an exploit from the game such as the detailtextures problems then I can understand that. One the other hand forcing people to use standard binds to be "fair" is a joke. Why don't you just force everyone to use 800x600 software mode to make up for those people that don't have good computer? Why not just make everyone use the arrow keys or even better yet, make them all use keyboard only to make up for those with crappy mice.
Seems dramatic huh? Well right now people that are taking the time to make a config that helps them play a little easier are being penalized because other people deem it to be "unfair". What's unfair about people wanting to play their best?
ANYONE can add the 2 extra lines into their config and do the EXACT SAME THING. The damn aliases get posted on this forum at least once a week with people complaining about them. Why not just use them and make it easier for you?
I'll probably still not use most of them, but I know that if I want to at any point in time I can ask any of the guys that use them and they will gladly help me out. Isn't that what these forums are really for? Getting help and talking about stuff instead of just complaining and whining?
Whatever, do what you want.
[edit] I can't type.
Lol perhaps you suck because you use scripts, try playing without them and practice without them. Sure it might be hard at first but in the long run you end up a far superior player who doesnt rely on scripts. Scripting isnt lame or hacking, it just strikes me as damn lazy and an admission that you will never be able to be coordinated enough to play without them.
Its like when i play combat i never get focus because it means in the long run ill be a better skulk in ns_ maps as i practice tracking more if im not using focus.
If you always chose the easy way out in life you end up losing.
And i bhop with my mwheel, and i did find it awkward at first cos i use the same finger to press mouse 1 and to scroll my mwheel, but you know what? after some practice i can bhop pretty well and attack whilst bhopping. Why should NS be a game completely devoid of skill, its a pretty damn easy game already anyway.
Bunnyhop script doesn't work...
I am going to commit suicide!
Lol perhaps you suck because you use scripts, try playing without them and practice without them. Sure it might be hard at first but in the long run you end up a far superior player who doesnt rely on scripts. Scripting isnt lame or hacking, it just strikes me as damn lazy and an admission that you will never be able to be coordinated enough to play without them.
Its like when i play combat i never get focus because it means in the long run ill be a better skulk in ns_ maps as i practice tracking more if im not using focus.
If you always chose the easy way out in life you end up losing.
And i bhop with my mwheel, and i did find it awkward at first cos i use the same finger to press mouse 1 and to scroll my mwheel, but you know what? after some practice i can bhop pretty well and attack whilst bhopping. Why should NS be a game completely devoid of skill, its a pretty damn easy game already anyway. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Give Mosis a script, he'll own, give Chinpo Player a script, he's bound to suck. How good you do with or without a script doesn't have **** to do with the script you idiot. Now, I'm saying I suck compared to the superior players (Mosis, Multi, Sin, and all those other guys) I'm pretty sure I could prove your theory wrong in a lil One on One with or without scripts, but kool, keep telling yourself this buddy. Good Job!
Maybe if I were some rich **** who could afford a computer than gets 10000 fps, then yes, I wouldn't have any problems at all with this, but right now all it does is even the playing field. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
regardless of what your computer is right now for at most $100 you could upgrade it enough that you'd get constant 60+ fps in NS
stop crying and get a job
Lol perhaps you suck because you use scripts, try playing without them and practice without them. Sure it might be hard at first but in the long run you end up a far superior player who doesnt rely on scripts. Scripting isnt lame or hacking, it just strikes me as damn lazy and an admission that you will never be able to be coordinated enough to play without them.
Its like when i play combat i never get focus because it means in the long run ill be a better skulk in ns_ maps as i practice tracking more if im not using focus.
If you always chose the easy way out in life you end up losing.
And i bhop with my mwheel, and i did find it awkward at first cos i use the same finger to press mouse 1 and to scroll my mwheel, but you know what? after some practice i can bhop pretty well and attack whilst bhopping. Why should NS be a game completely devoid of skill, its a pretty damn easy game already anyway. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
"Lol perhaps you suck because you use the mouse, try aiming with the keyboard and practice without it. Sure it might be hard at first but in the long run you end up a far superior player who doesn't rely on a mouse. A mouse isn't lame or hacking, it just strikes me as damn lazy and an admission that you will never be able to be coordinated enough to play without one."
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