<!--QuoteBegin-jumpingjoda+Oct 20 2004, 10:30 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (jumpingjoda @ Oct 20 2004, 10:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Steam will burn that day, it'll just burn, <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Just like it went down the day CS:Source came out and a million fanbois downloaded it.
Oh, no, wait. All they did was log in and unlock it because the encrypted files were already on their computer. That sounds oddly like Steam NOT burning to me.
NEO_PhyteWe need shirtgons!Join Date: 2003-12-16Member: 24453Members, Constellation
<!--QuoteBegin-esuna+Oct 20 2004, 07:24 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (esuna @ Oct 20 2004, 07:24 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Mantrid+Oct 20 2004, 01:48 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mantrid @ Oct 20 2004, 01:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> And when the nerds are scrambling at Best Buy, and on the 16th when there are a hundred posts about people being annoyed that the store was out of copies of HL2, those of us who advocated and trusted Steam from the beginning will be laughing. We will have our day! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I'm willing to bet money on the fact that Steam will go down and nobody will be able to play HL2 on November 16th.
Also, when all the nerds who trusted Steam from the beginning are complaining about Steam being down and they can't pre-load that last 200mb, those of us who advocated not taking it up the arse will be laughing. We will have our day! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> god forbid we let the people that actually MAKE THE GAMES WE PLAY make some money, rather than some guys who slap CDs in boxes
<!--QuoteBegin-NEO_Phyte+Oct 20 2004, 01:37 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NEO_Phyte @ Oct 20 2004, 01:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-esuna+Oct 20 2004, 07:24 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (esuna @ Oct 20 2004, 07:24 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Mantrid+Oct 20 2004, 01:48 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mantrid @ Oct 20 2004, 01:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> And when the nerds are scrambling at Best Buy, and on the 16th when there are a hundred posts about people being annoyed that the store was out of copies of HL2, those of us who advocated and trusted Steam from the beginning will be laughing. We will have our day! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I'm willing to bet money on the fact that Steam will go down and nobody will be able to play HL2 on November 16th.
Also, when all the nerds who trusted Steam from the beginning are complaining about Steam being down and they can't pre-load that last 200mb, those of us who advocated not taking it up the arse will be laughing. We will have our day! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> god forbid we let the people that actually MAKE THE GAMES WE PLAY make some money, rather than some guys who slap CDs in boxes <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> God forbid Valve being under contract so they're earning just as much from a retail copy as they are from a Steam sale due to obligations to their publisher.
DY357LXPlaying since day 1. Still can't Comm.EnglandJoin Date: 2002-10-27Member: 1651Members, Constellation
Try to remember the pre-loading we've done for Half-Life 2. (Some of those were big-*** files!) This <i>should</i> reduce the strain on the network a fair bit. If not.... well I don't care because i'm having the day off on my birthday (HL2 release day) so I can just go buy a copy. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
1. Valve makes gets about 2.5 times the money from Steam sales than retail sales. There is no such contract prohibiting them from taking the money they are earning off Steam. <i>Evidence can be found in <a href='http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1298' target='_blank'>this</a> thread on the HL2.net forums, where a member asked a Valve employee about this. I can't be bothered to look for the exact post, but as always search is your friend.</i>
2. Everyone will need to activate Half-Life2 via Steam before he can play. That includes Steam preloaders as well as retail buyers. <i> Evidence can be found in one of the last posts in the above mentioned thread as well as <a href='http://www.steampowered.com/Steam/Messages/minimum_req/index.php?l=english' target='_blank'>here</a>, a site showing the minimum requirements for HL2, where it states Internet Connection.</i>
Of course everything may be subject to change, although i doubt it as they propably already begun pressing the discs.
1. Valve makes gets about 2.5 times the money from Steam sales than retail sales. There is no such contract prohibiting them from taking the money they are earning off Steam. <i>Evidence can be found in <a href='http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1298' target='_blank'>this</a> thread on the HL2.net forums, where a member asked a Valve employee about this. I can't be bothered to look for the exact post, but as always search is your friend.</i><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Wow, they're earing 250% profit and no saving is passed on to the customer, that's fantastic business sense but i guess another way of seeing it is they're greedy bastards.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->2. Everyone will need to activate Half-Life2 via Steam before he can play. That includes Steam preloaders as well as retail buyers. <i> Evidence can be found in one of the last posts in the above mentioned thread as well as <a href='http://www.steampowered.com/Steam/Messages/minimum_req/index.php?l=english' target='_blank'>here</a>, a site showing the minimum requirements for HL2, where is states Internet Connection.</i>
Of course everything may be subject to change, although i doubt it as they propably already begun pressing the discs.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> This is why i said in an earlier post that when november 16th, nobody will be able to play. Also as i said earlier, i'm willing to bet money on the fact that Steam will go down. This is such a ridiculous idea, i can understand making sure the game is legally bought, but stopping people from playing it until they connect and validate it is ridiculous. There's a lot of people that don't have internet connections still, and a lot of people that just want to play the damn game and not faff about.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Wow, they're earing 250% profit and no saving is passed on to the customer, that's fantastic business sense but i guess another way of seeing it is they're greedy bastards.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> As far as i know there is actually a contract between Valve and Vivendi stating, that Valve isn't allowed to offer HL2 at a significantly lower price on Steam than Vivendi is on retail, thus resulting in the nice profit for Valve. But I think it's ok. It's their game and they should get most of the money out of it.
And for Steam dieing on Nov. 16th... definately. Let's hope they still got some secret bandwith available somewhere, else there will be a huge chaos when no one is able to play at all.
<!--QuoteBegin-Venmoch+Oct 20 2004, 04:12 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Venmoch @ Oct 20 2004, 04:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If Valve treat HL2 like they've treated HL1 there will be a load of free cool stuff released over the years.... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Most likely DOD:S, CS:S, HL:S and TFC:S (If they make that).
I'm interested to see if HL2 will have the same life that HL1 has had. HL1 is pretty extraordinary in lasting 6 years, dispite massive leaps in technology and games.
<!--QuoteBegin-UKchaos+Oct 20 2004, 12:34 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (UKchaos @ Oct 20 2004, 12:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Esuna, their profits will be invested in their next games (read: HL3). Thats exactly what happened after HL1's success.
If thats being 'greedy' then all power to them! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Didn't you follow HL at all?
All profits from the game go to making Gabe Newell fatter for the first 2 years after a release, and THEN they start making a new game.
Sometimes I wonder about you guys <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Well he did invest millions of his own cash to set up Valve in the first place <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<span style='color:gray'><b>S</b></span>o, there is there something wrong with companies wanting to make money? God forbid people capitalize on something successful.
<!--QuoteBegin-UKchaos+Oct 20 2004, 01:44 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (UKchaos @ Oct 20 2004, 01:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Well he did invest millions of his own cash to set up Valve in the first place <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Any investment in increasing his fattness seems like a logical Gabe Newell investment to me <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Swiftspear+Oct 20 2004, 08:50 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Swiftspear @ Oct 20 2004, 08:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-UKchaos+Oct 20 2004, 01:44 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (UKchaos @ Oct 20 2004, 01:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Well he did invest millions of his own cash to set up Valve in the first place <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Any investment in increasing his fattness seems like a logical Gabe Newell investment to me <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> The joke stopped being funny last year, mate.
<!--QuoteBegin-Paladin+Oct 20 2004, 12:01 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Paladin @ Oct 20 2004, 12:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Wow, they're earing 250% profit and no saving is passed on to the customer, that's fantastic business sense but i guess another way of seeing it is they're greedy bastards.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> As far as i know there is actually a contract between Valve and Vivendi stating, that Valve isn't allowed to offer HL2 at a significantly lower price on Steam than Vivendi is on retail, thus resulting in the nice profit for Valve. But I think it's ok. It's their game and they should get most of the money out of it.
And for Steam dieing on Nov. 16th... definately. Let's hope they still got some secret bandwith available somewhere, else there will be a huge chaos when no one is able to play at all. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Listen to the man! Valve would be more than happy to charge less for Steam games if they were allowed to, but as it is they're stuck in a contract so all they can do is hope lots of people buy it even though it costs the same, and make more money when people do. And remember, Valve doesn't want your money because they hate you: they want it because every night they have to go home to their families and if they didn't make any money then their little children will starve to death.
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I think you may be very right there....
it would be a shame to get this far(release) and then have something else to
worry about....
but still ,i would certainly imagine a hell of a lot of "Platform Pressure"
<i>no pun intended..haha</i>
Just like it went down the day CS:Source came out and a million fanbois downloaded it.
Oh, no, wait. All they did was log in and unlock it because the encrypted files were already on their computer. That sounds oddly like Steam NOT burning to me.
I'm willing to bet money on the fact that Steam will go down and nobody will be able to play HL2 on November 16th.
Also, when all the nerds who trusted Steam from the beginning are complaining about Steam being down and they can't pre-load that last 200mb, those of us who advocated not taking it up the arse will be laughing. We will have our day! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
god forbid we let the people that actually MAKE THE GAMES WE PLAY make some money, rather than some guys who slap CDs in boxes
I'm willing to bet money on the fact that Steam will go down and nobody will be able to play HL2 on November 16th.
Also, when all the nerds who trusted Steam from the beginning are complaining about Steam being down and they can't pre-load that last 200mb, those of us who advocated not taking it up the arse will be laughing. We will have our day! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
god forbid we let the people that actually MAKE THE GAMES WE PLAY make some money, rather than some guys who slap CDs in boxes <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
God forbid Valve being under contract so they're earning just as much from a retail copy as they are from a Steam sale due to obligations to their publisher.
(Some of those were big-*** files!)
This <i>should</i> reduce the strain on the network a fair bit.
If not.... well I don't care because i'm having the day off
on my birthday (HL2 release day) so I can just go buy a copy. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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Just to correct some things stated above.
1. Valve makes gets about 2.5 times the money from Steam sales than retail sales. There is no such contract prohibiting them from taking the money they are earning off Steam.
<i>Evidence can be found in <a href='http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1298' target='_blank'>this</a> thread on the HL2.net forums, where a member asked a Valve employee about this. I can't be bothered to look for the exact post, but as always search is your friend.</i>
2. Everyone will need to activate Half-Life2 via Steam before he can play. That includes Steam preloaders as well as retail buyers.
<i> Evidence can be found in one of the last posts in the above mentioned thread as well as <a href='http://www.steampowered.com/Steam/Messages/minimum_req/index.php?l=english' target='_blank'>here</a>, a site showing the minimum requirements for HL2, where it states Internet Connection.</i>
Of course everything may be subject to change, although i doubt it as they propably already begun pressing the discs.
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Just to correct some things stated above.
1. Valve makes gets about 2.5 times the money from Steam sales than retail sales. There is no such contract prohibiting them from taking the money they are earning off Steam.
<i>Evidence can be found in <a href='http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1298' target='_blank'>this</a> thread on the HL2.net forums, where a member asked a Valve employee about this. I can't be bothered to look for the exact post, but as always search is your friend.</i><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Wow, they're earing 250% profit and no saving is passed on to the customer, that's fantastic business sense but i guess another way of seeing it is they're greedy bastards.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->2. Everyone will need to activate Half-Life2 via Steam before he can play. That includes Steam preloaders as well as retail buyers.
<i> Evidence can be found in one of the last posts in the above mentioned thread as well as <a href='http://www.steampowered.com/Steam/Messages/minimum_req/index.php?l=english' target='_blank'>here</a>, a site showing the minimum requirements for HL2, where is states Internet Connection.</i>
Of course everything may be subject to change, although i doubt it as they propably already begun pressing the discs.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This is why i said in an earlier post that when november 16th, nobody will be able to play. Also as i said earlier, i'm willing to bet money on the fact that Steam will go down. This is such a ridiculous idea, i can understand making sure the game is legally bought, but stopping people from playing it until they connect and validate it is ridiculous. There's a lot of people that don't have internet connections still, and a lot of people that just want to play the damn game and not faff about.
Wow, they're earing 250% profit and no saving is passed on to the customer, that's fantastic business sense but i guess another way of seeing it is they're greedy bastards.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
As far as i know there is actually a contract between Valve and Vivendi stating, that Valve isn't allowed to offer HL2 at a significantly lower price on Steam than Vivendi is on retail, thus resulting in the nice profit for Valve.
But I think it's ok. It's their game and they should get most of the money out of it.
And for Steam dieing on Nov. 16th... definately. Let's hope they still got some secret bandwith available somewhere, else there will be a huge chaos when no one is able to play at all.
Most likely DOD:S, CS:S, HL:S and TFC:S (If they make that).
I'm interested to see if HL2 will have the same life that HL1 has had. HL1 is pretty extraordinary in lasting 6 years, dispite massive leaps in technology and games.
If thats being 'greedy' then all power to them!
If thats being 'greedy' then all power to them! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Didn't you follow HL at all?
All profits from the game go to making Gabe Newell fatter for the first 2 years after a release, and THEN they start making a new game.
Sometimes I wonder about you guys <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Any investment in increasing his fattness seems like a logical Gabe Newell investment to me <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Any investment in increasing his fattness seems like a logical Gabe Newell investment to me <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
The joke stopped being funny last year, mate.
Wow, they're earing 250% profit and no saving is passed on to the customer, that's fantastic business sense but i guess another way of seeing it is they're greedy bastards.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
As far as i know there is actually a contract between Valve and Vivendi stating, that Valve isn't allowed to offer HL2 at a significantly lower price on Steam than Vivendi is on retail, thus resulting in the nice profit for Valve.
But I think it's ok. It's their game and they should get most of the money out of it.
And for Steam dieing on Nov. 16th... definately. Let's hope they still got some secret bandwith available somewhere, else there will be a huge chaos when no one is able to play at all. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Listen to the man! Valve would be more than happy to charge less for Steam games if they were allowed to, but as it is they're stuck in a contract so all they can do is hope lots of people buy it even though it costs the same, and make more money when people do. And remember, Valve doesn't want your money because they hate you: they want it because every night they have to go home to their families and if they didn't make any money then their little children will starve to death.