nad, yet again you come across as arogant. I never said that you could not do this other ways.
your wow that should be illegal was not needed as a comment. When you take that kind of tone it will put some people on the defense, and in the end doesnt help you cause. this is why the thread was locked.
I asked you a very simple question and you decided to make a **** comment.
<!--QuoteBegin-lightingmonkey+Nov 11 2004, 09:59 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (lightingmonkey @ Nov 11 2004, 09:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> nad, yet again you come across as arogant. I never said that you could not do this other ways.
your wow that should be illegal was not needed as a comment. When you take that kind of tone it will put some people on the defense, and in the end doesnt help you cause. this is why the thread was locked.
I asked you a very simple question and you decided to make a **** comment. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> When you decide for yourself that these things are bad without actually knowing what they do, (this is basically rebinding a key) IN a 30 page thread ON HOW WHAT YOU JUST DID IS BAD... then I think you deserve a sarcastic remark (that wasn't arrogance btw, sarcasm)
<!--QuoteBegin-lightingmonkey+Nov 11 2004, 09:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (lightingmonkey @ Nov 11 2004, 09:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> so nad you dont see this as an unfair script. He even admits it <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I'd say that this implies it pretty clearly.
Plus you locked a thread about scripting just because it contained the word 'script.' You had no indication that it would turn into a flamewar (not to mention: HOW would it turn into a flamewar?). I don't see how it could've.
Nad please read. I said this script, not all and you cant say why we locked a thread. You can guess if you like. You can even maje it look like we did, beacuse we are anti scripts, but the truth has nothing to do with our views on scripts. It has to do with 3 other threads debating the mp setting, and we didnt want this to turn into another agruement. Please read my posts again. I stated when we feel a thread about scripts can stya up with personal comment and flames we might pin one.
<!--QuoteBegin-lightingmonkey+Nov 11 2004, 10:05 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (lightingmonkey @ Nov 11 2004, 10:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Nad please read. I said this script, not all <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yep, and I replied: you decided that this script was bad without even actually knowing what it does...
Also I love how you call me arrogant then say "please read." That really supports your point.
What needs to happen is for me to resurrect Xzianthia so it'll start a movement of gammers who follow the Xzianthian honor code. Just like it was in the good old days except this time any gammer anywhere in any clan can be feared or loved and respected when others hear that they are Xzianthian. They may not be the best player by skill but they are the most honorable. That's what I think needs to happen, but I'm waiting patiently, quitely until the time is right.
wel im sorry if you feel that my please was a form of arrogance, if you did it was not meant to be. I try to be polite as i can when talking to people and i use please alot.
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Yeah, this is too good a convo to end this way.
I myself think scripts rock. Why? They don't necessarily increase skill as they truly customize experience. There is NOTHING with a script that you can't do without. Nothing. Just requires more skill or a nice bind.
Also as far as I'm concerned you are either totally for scripting or totally against it. There is no such thing as "bad scripts". Claiming a leap/bite is okay but a 2shot script isn't is kind of silly considering they are both just aliased commands. Same goes for 3jump, blink/meta and various other sorts of scripts. Either play on blockscripts servers or not. I personally play on both, but I think that the command itself is stupid.
<!--QuoteBegin-MrGunner+Nov 11 2004, 11:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MrGunner @ Nov 11 2004, 11:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Also as far as I'm concerned you are either totally for scripting or totally against it. There is no such thing as "bad scripts". Claiming a leap/bite is okay but a 2shot script isn't is kind of silly considering they are both just aliased commands. Same goes for 3jump, blink/meta and various other sorts of scripts. Either play on blockscripts servers or not. I personally play on both, but I think that the command itself is stupid. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> NOOOOOO....this thread has digressed to just another scripts/mp_bs good/bad thread <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Can someone explain why some servers that insist on blockscripts 1 dont enforce server side models.... it means to me that (if someone was wanting to be cheep like this) you can't use a simple key bind that asks commander for a med while writing "health please commander" at the same time, BUT they allow people to use a model that maybe has a fullbright target with arrows pointing at the hit location <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
The best part is when we get to play pcws (scrims) on servers with mp_blockscripts 1 as the ones we play compares scripts to aimbots, all the while consistency is off and CD is not in required mode.
I don't see how you can honestly argue scripts don't help you. I use scripts and I love using 3jump and pscript, but without it I wouldn't be able to bunnyhop anwhere that good and I wouldn't be able to shoot that fast.
Just admit that scripts do help, and you do better with scripts than without. If you didn't, why would people whine so much about mp_bs 1?
<!--QuoteBegin-MrMojo+Nov 12 2004, 07:53 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MrMojo @ Nov 12 2004, 07:53 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I don't see how you can honestly argue scripts don't help you. I use scripts and I love using 3jump and pscript, but without it I wouldn't be able to bunnyhop anwhere that good and I wouldn't be able to shoot that fast.
Just admit that scripts do help, and you do better with scripts than without. If you didn't, why would people whine so much about mp_bs 1? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Scripts of course help you streamline and customize your control. It's just like using hud_fastswitch 1, it helps you customize your control. It is also like using the mousewheel to shoot your pistol or bunnyhop.
<!--QuoteBegin-TOmekki Posted on Nov 12 2004+ 09:00 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TOmekki Posted on Nov 12 2004 @ 09:00 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->of course they help, has anyone ever claimed that they dont?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I think it's a different question that is being debated. The emphasis on the question has been, "Is it an unfair assistance?" No, simply because scripts, like hud_fastswitch and mousewheel binds, is available to anyone who makes an effort if they choose to discover how to script. Many players who hate scripts hate them because they see it as other players having unfair advantages over them. That is just not true, they choose not to see how easy it is to get access to this streamlining process because I believe if they learn how easy it is to use a script, then they have nothing else to blame for when a more skilled player kills them next time.
Bottomline, do scripts help? Yes. Do scripts help increase your skill? No. Is it easy to learn about scripting? Yes if you make a conscious effort. Is using a script the same as using an aimbot? No.
But this thread isn't suppose to be focused on scripting. As for Necrosis's comment about server bashing or a "Name and Shame" Thread. It's your comments and replies that makes it seem like that. The servers were posted as an example, so it's easier for some people to relate to and see what we are talking about. We could've said, Server A, B, or C, but then people would have no clue what A, B, C servers are really like. It's much easier to work with hard evidence than make believe stuff. It isn't a personal attack on those servers, we just use it to state a point. Your posts however makes them see it as an attack on them, especially when you change it to a 'Their money, their rules' subject, which is what we're not talking about. This discussion once again is focused on the strained relationship and information exchange between the two communities that are at odds with each other. The pipeline between the two has deteriorated drastically, threatening to just break under the strain. If it breaks, then the NS Community will be in a heap of trouble, I just wish more people would be open enough to see it.
Also, I believe this long thread, though it has strayed from its purpose at times because other subjects were brought in and addressed, has definately taken a step forward despite what a few think. The problem has been there for quite a while and it was festering in the darkness. Past attempts to try to fix the problem was either attempted in the wrong fashion or just ineffective. This thread seems to have been somewhat effective since we've done a couple of things. We've clearly identified the problem so that a lot of people see that it truly exists and sees how big of a problem it really is. Now the second and most crucial phase is in the works, we are discussing how to fix the problem. Attitude between each community has been identified and still being discussed. I'm sure there are more ways to help patch up this problem as well.
Suicidal Tendencies still not coming back to this thread apparently....
How did this die so quickly <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-dafox+Nov 12 2004, 03:39 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (dafox @ Nov 12 2004, 03:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> cos the basis of the thread was retarded <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> how so
If you sit down every admin in the world and explain scripts to them, and they understand their function, then decide to keep bs_1 on, would you be happy?
Effectively thats whats happening in for the bulk of the community. Yet still people feel the need to "educate" them about how scripts work. They probably already know. They made their decision knowing that. There are people who realise how scripts work and at the same time just don't care, because keeping blockscripts on stops a lot of hassle.
Good players will cope with this and not complain. Bad players will complain, joining servers and deliberately ignoring the rules.
This is what the intolerance is about. Accept that a server with blockscripts (or other rules) is run that way for a reason, and if the server is always full then there is obviously a community that prefers that. Hating on them won't help. I don't see how anyone can justify griefing a server. Griefing it because you don't like the rules.. won't help anyone. You wouldn't join a specific game forum just to grief the game, would you? Lets say that I didn't like FF games, I thought they were all dumb and 2D. Do I grief the FF forums? Do I buy an online FF game and proceed to annoy other players (and then claim that I am educating them that their game is dumb)?
No, I stick to the games I like, and if I meet someone in IRC/etc. then I tell them about the games I play. Free flow of information.
What needs to happen is that players respect how people will want different things and instead encourage integration by being decent members on forums, irc, servers, etc so that people will be interested in what they do.
Barging into people's houses and roughing them up with the alleged aim of "showing them how dumb their rules are" would get you arrested IRL and online would make people suspect you were the new myg0t.
Integration, by respecting the other guy's view to do his own thing on his own server, is the way to go. If the problem really is that there are no bs_0 servers then people need to make them, not steal them.
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your wow that should be illegal was not needed as a comment. When you take that kind of tone it will put some people on the defense, and in the end doesnt help you cause.
this is why the thread was locked.
I asked you a very simple question and you decided to make a **** comment.
your wow that should be illegal was not needed as a comment. When you take that kind of tone it will put some people on the defense, and in the end doesnt help you cause.
this is why the thread was locked.
I asked you a very simple question and you decided to make a **** comment. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
When you decide for yourself that these things are bad without actually knowing what they do, (this is basically rebinding a key) IN a 30 page thread ON HOW WHAT YOU JUST DID IS BAD... then I think you deserve a sarcastic remark (that wasn't arrogance btw, sarcasm)
I'd say that this implies it pretty clearly.
Plus you locked a thread about scripting just because it contained the word 'script.' You had no indication that it would turn into a flamewar (not to mention: HOW would it turn into a flamewar?). I don't see how it could've.
Yep, and I replied: you decided that this script was bad without even actually knowing what it does...
Also I love how you call me arrogant then say "please read." That really supports your point.
wel im sorry if you feel that my please was a form of arrogance, if you did it was not meant to be. I try to be polite as i can when talking to people and i use please alot.
Don't get me wrong, I'd rather drop it altogether.
I myself think scripts rock. Why? They don't necessarily increase skill as they truly customize experience. There is NOTHING with a script that you can't do without. Nothing. Just requires more skill or a nice bind.
NOOOOOO....this thread has digressed to just another scripts/mp_bs good/bad thread <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
alias med "impulse 10; say_team med comm"
bind "z" "med"
oh yeah, and consistency rocks, mp_bs doesn't.
It has happened.
Just admit that scripts do help, and you do better with scripts than without. If you didn't, why would people whine so much about mp_bs 1?
Just admit that scripts do help, and you do better with scripts than without. If you didn't, why would people whine so much about mp_bs 1? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Scripts of course help you streamline and customize your control. It's just like using hud_fastswitch 1, it helps you customize your control. It is also like using the mousewheel to shoot your pistol or bunnyhop.
<!--QuoteBegin-TOmekki Posted on Nov 12 2004+ 09:00 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TOmekki Posted on Nov 12 2004 @ 09:00 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->of course they help, has anyone ever claimed that they dont?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think it's a different question that is being debated. The emphasis on the question has been, "Is it an unfair assistance?" No, simply because scripts, like hud_fastswitch and mousewheel binds, is available to anyone who makes an effort if they choose to discover how to script. Many players who hate scripts hate them because they see it as other players having unfair advantages over them. That is just not true, they choose not to see how easy it is to get access to this streamlining process because I believe if they learn how easy it is to use a script, then they have nothing else to blame for when a more skilled player kills them next time.
Bottomline, do scripts help? Yes. Do scripts help increase your skill? No. Is it easy to learn about scripting? Yes if you make a conscious effort. Is using a script the same as using an aimbot? No.
But this thread isn't suppose to be focused on scripting. As for Necrosis's comment about server bashing or a "Name and Shame" Thread. It's your comments and replies that makes it seem like that. The servers were posted as an example, so it's easier for some people to relate to and see what we are talking about. We could've said, Server A, B, or C, but then people would have no clue what A, B, C servers are really like. It's much easier to work with hard evidence than make believe stuff. It isn't a personal attack on those servers, we just use it to state a point. Your posts however makes them see it as an attack on them, especially when you change it to a 'Their money, their rules' subject, which is what we're not talking about. This discussion once again is focused on the strained relationship and information exchange between the two communities that are at odds with each other. The pipeline between the two has deteriorated drastically, threatening to just break under the strain. If it breaks, then the NS Community will be in a heap of trouble, I just wish more people would be open enough to see it.
Also, I believe this long thread, though it has strayed from its purpose at times because other subjects were brought in and addressed, has definately taken a step forward despite what a few think. The problem has been there for quite a while and it was festering in the darkness. Past attempts to try to fix the problem was either attempted in the wrong fashion or just ineffective. This thread seems to have been somewhat effective since we've done a couple of things. We've clearly identified the problem so that a lot of people see that it truly exists and sees how big of a problem it really is. Now the second and most crucial phase is in the works, we are discussing how to fix the problem. Attitude between each community has been identified and still being discussed. I'm sure there are more ways to help patch up this problem as well.
How did this die so quickly <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
how so
If you sit down every admin in the world and explain scripts to them, and they understand their function, then decide to keep bs_1 on, would you be happy?
Effectively thats whats happening in for the bulk of the community. Yet still people feel the need to "educate" them about how scripts work. They probably already know. They made their decision knowing that. There are people who realise how scripts work and at the same time just don't care, because keeping blockscripts on stops a lot of hassle.
Good players will cope with this and not complain.
Bad players will complain, joining servers and deliberately ignoring the rules.
This is what the intolerance is about. Accept that a server with blockscripts (or other rules) is run that way for a reason, and if the server is always full then there is obviously a community that prefers that. Hating on them won't help. I don't see how anyone can justify griefing a server. Griefing it because you don't like the rules.. won't help anyone. You wouldn't join a specific game forum just to grief the game, would you? Lets say that I didn't like FF games, I thought they were all dumb and 2D. Do I grief the FF forums? Do I buy an online FF game and proceed to annoy other players (and then claim that I am educating them that their game is dumb)?
No, I stick to the games I like, and if I meet someone in IRC/etc. then I tell them about the games I play. Free flow of information.
What needs to happen is that players respect how people will want different things and instead encourage integration by being decent members on forums, irc, servers, etc so that people will be interested in what they do.
Barging into people's houses and roughing them up with the alleged aim of "showing them how dumb their rules are" would get you arrested IRL and online would make people suspect you were the new myg0t.
Integration, by respecting the other guy's view to do his own thing on his own server, is the way to go. If the problem really is that there are no bs_0 servers then people need to make them, not steal them.