Ns_bast_classic Release

MendaspMendasp I touch maps in inappropriate placesValencia, Spain Join Date: 2002-07-05 Member: 884Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Gold, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow, Retired Community Developer
edited January 2005 in NS General Discussion
Imagine being a mapper with two official maps in NS. Now imagine you maintain bast, that sure would funny, eh? You would have to waste a number of hours of your free time maintaining a map that gets this kind of comments:

<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Bast sucks bigass =)<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I vote for the bringing back of 2.01 bast<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Refinery is HUGE and the other two are micro rooms.  I don't really know how to fix it but my suggestion would be a build on 2.01 version and not a redo like 3.0 has done.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Balance = BS. The bad thing about the old bast was it was hard for a higher lifeform to successfully enter MS and leave alive. This new version is like a CO map but with RT and 3 hives. Plus I loved the old challenge, you had to worry about marines comming through the vents like roaches. There were SO many ways to attack a hive... now its down to like 2... add in with how short a time for a marine to get to a hive... and OMG Ref is now almost as big as the whole map! its disapointing...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I'll say well-done to the redesigner on his design work, it's high quality map making. But it's not Bast.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->You know when Child Services takes a kid away from a family for abuse...? Well, you're the parents <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I was always a real fan of Bast - for the atmosphere, more than the 'balence' of it - (and I always felt it was marine biased, anyway). However, the new one justlacksthe feel. My big complain is the way engine hasbeen redone - moving it at 90 degrees to the entaracne, seperating it from main aft and so on. Also, losing the sneaky vent way in is kinda disappointing. The box room also annoys me a lot. The wholepoiunt of bast was its variety and uniqueness. A room full of crates doesnt fit. At all.

So, in summary. Nice job guys, but what was so horribly wrong with the beta 4 bast?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->It's nice changes. But it's not bast any longer.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->It's not really bast, the entire layout was scrapped. 50% of the map remains unchanged.

How the hell is this the same map by any logical standards? Not that I dislike the new bast over the old one (both suck) but I do think the old bast so far was more fun.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->move the map into the recycle bin<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

This is a selection of some of the "feedback" I've received since beta 5 was released... There's a good number of quotes from a thread I made and was supposed to be dedicated for serious feedback, but for some reason, <span style='color:white'>Be nice.</span>

I've read some funny things about sava too, I know there's a good number of intelligent individuals that are totally awesome balancing maps by making simple changes like: "LOL DELETE MAP" or "REMOVE FROM MAPCYCLE".

Anyways, I'll quote myself to say this:

<!--QuoteBegin-Mendasp+Jan 29 2005, 04:25 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mendasp @ Jan 29 2005, 04:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Oh, and if you're wondering, I'm not going to quit maintaining bast (or the community, for that matter) after all the work I've put on this, people like you are ignored, but I enjoy replying to your awesome rants about a map. The only way for me to stop maintaining this map is Relic coming around and wanting to do the work himself (which is improbable) or if Flayra decides to remove the map from the modification...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So there you go, here's a special version of bast for you guys!

<a href='http://mendasp.thezazi.net/mapas/ns_bast_classic.zip' target='_blank'>Download link</a>

PS: I appreciate the REAL feedback (and support) I received from several people, thanks, guys.
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  • NadagastNadagast Join Date: 2002-11-04 Member: 6884Members
    The old bast sucked. I have only played the new version a few times but from what I've seen it's better. GJ. Don't listen to the 'atmosphere' idiots. Gameplay > all.
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  • surprisesurprise Join Date: 2003-01-16 Member: 12382Members, Constellation
    it must be depressing to see that feedback after putting so much work into a map...
    i can really feel with you, the problem is that people that dont like sth. often are the ones with louder voices <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    i personally think the changes are great, even if i dont really like the new enginehive.

    anyhow i think your doing a great job, and its sad that some people dont recognize it <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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  • MendaspMendasp I touch maps in inappropriate places Valencia, Spain Join Date: 2002-07-05 Member: 884Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Gold, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow, Retired Community Developer
    Download the map, seriously, when I said it was "special" I really meant it! <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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  • denzildenzil Join Date: 2002-11-06 Member: 7314Members, Constellation
    edited January 2005
    damn your sexy juan*..

    EDIT: *Mend..
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  • Marik_SteeleMarik_Steele To rule in hell... Join Date: 2002-11-20 Member: 9466Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I'll say well-done to the redesigner on his design work, it's high quality map making. But it's not Bast.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Of the quotes given, this is the one I respect the most, as it's less offensive. It'd be a really great example of feedback if he elaborated by explaining why he doesn't get the same feeling out of it as the original Bast he seems to prefer.

    I'm about to try the map...the Bast of the early NS releases was one of my favorite maps, though I honestly haven't played newer versions enough to say I like/dislike them more.
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  • dPPdPP Join Date: 2003-09-27 Member: 21272Members, Constellation
    gota see this map on a server =)
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  • MendaspMendasp I touch maps in inappropriate places Valencia, Spain Join Date: 2002-07-05 Member: 884Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Gold, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow, Retired Community Developer
    <!--QuoteBegin-Marik Steele+Jan 29 2005, 05:38 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Marik Steele @ Jan 29 2005, 05:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I'll say well-done to the redesigner on his design work, it's high quality map making. But it's not Bast.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Of the quotes given, this is the one I respect the most, as it's less offensive. It'd be a really great example of feedback if he elaborated by explaining why he doesn't get the same feeling out of it as the original Bast he seems to prefer. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Well, don't think explaining would help, I've quoted it because I've read that like seven million times already and when being asked the answers are "the door is gone" or similar (lift is gone is the other one).

    But I hate that kind of comment, specially the "you should rename the map to ns_bast2 or ns_bast_remix" variation... it's horrible.
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  • KazbarKazbar Join Date: 2004-10-20 Member: 32368Members, Constellation
    I downloaded it and it looks great. i recomend others download it.
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  • AlkillerAlkiller Join Date: 2004-05-23 Member: 28847Members
    omg deres no atmoosfere! urnbilanced!!11 WTH U RUINED NS 4 ME i want teh old bsat back!!!1

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  • surprisesurprise Join Date: 2003-01-16 Member: 12382Members, Constellation
    edited January 2005
    now you made me curious <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    edit: now, that map is disturbing *G*
    but i think the gameplay will be great <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/nerd-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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  • MrBenMrBen ns_eclipse, ns_veil caretaker Join Date: 2002-11-14 Member: 8575Members
    Best. Ever.
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  • Marik_SteeleMarik_Steele To rule in hell... Join Date: 2002-11-20 Member: 9466Members
    Mendasp, I must say, it was as funny as it was unexpected <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    I was actually rather surprised by how much of it still looked playable, though decidedly biased towards skulks <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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  • dPPdPP Join Date: 2003-09-27 Member: 21272Members, Constellation
    feedwater owns.
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  • tjosantjosan Join Date: 2003-05-16 Member: 16374Members, Constellation
    GJ on the map, I say keep it this way <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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  • KungFuDiscoMonkeyKungFuDiscoMonkey Creator of ns_altair 日本福岡県 Join Date: 2003-03-15 Member: 14555Members, NS1 Playtester, Reinforced - Onos
    Mendasp I think I cried with laughter. You rock.
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  • HuzeHuze Insightful Join Date: 2003-11-12 Member: 22724Members, NS1 Playtester, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow
    I'm running it on my server, come play!
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  • AaronAaron vroom vroom der party startah Join Date: 2002-11-05 Member: 7020Members
    I guess I must be the only one that liked the original bast (not that I have anything against the "new" bast either). Really, I didn't hate it like everybody else saying "OGM NO NOT BAST SI SUKCS!". The only thing that annoyed me was the unclosable vent above MS in one revision. Maybe it's because my first NS experience was in bast and I still remember how awestruck I was.
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  • SupernornSupernorn Best. Picture. Ever. Made. Ever. Join Date: 2002-11-07 Member: 7608Members, Constellation
    You dont know what you want.
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  • TrakenTraken Join Date: 2004-11-14 Member: 32797Members
    Somethings different...can't quite place my finger on it.....
    <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    1.04 Bast was indeed my first NS experience. While I loved it, I don't care. Memories are there for us to remember, not wish to go back. Besides, I like the new one better.

    And haven't aliens heard of teamwork? In refinery you just get 1 or 2 lerks...it's quite simple.
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  • Al_KaholicAl_Kaholic Join Date: 2004-01-31 Member: 25821Members, Constellation
    I'm trapped in the Inverted Castle.
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  • ThaldarinThaldarin Alonzi&#33; Join Date: 2003-07-15 Member: 18173Members, Constellation
    More hours of fun, courtesy of the paper clip <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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  • gazOzzgazOzz Work&#39;s a ... Join Date: 2003-12-25 Member: 24747Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation
    Best version of bast... <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    I only loved bast in times of 1.04 when I just started playing... and when atmosphere was everything for me...

    Nowadays sorry but neither 1.04 nor the latest version turn me on... Maybe Its time to move on... and build another masterpiece map from scratch...
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  • FaskaliaFaskalia Wechsellichtzeichenanlage Join Date: 2004-09-12 Member: 31651Members, Constellation
    Ahhh.... It really felt good to see "the door" again, although it seemed a little bit upside down <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    Anyways i am positive that most of the people who gave such "nice" replies to the feedback thread have never build a map/model or programmed for a mod.

    Creating atmosphere is hard, balancing is harder, building a balanced and good looking map is hardest.

    Pls dont move bast to the recycle bin, it is a part of NS(a very sexy one if i might say so) and i am hoping that bast will be part of ns final.

    From my side: Thanks for ns_bast and all the fun i had playing this really epic map.
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  • douchebagatrondouchebagatron Custom member title Join Date: 2003-12-20 Member: 24581Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    you can see "the door" in the normal bast too. rotating and everything. you just need to know where to look.
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  • Diablo_fxDiablo_fx Join Date: 2003-02-21 Member: 13793Members
    Very cool.
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  • TheAdjTheAdj He demanded a cool forum title of some type. Join Date: 2004-05-03 Member: 28436Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    Brilliant.
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  • FaskaliaFaskalia Wechsellichtzeichenanlage Join Date: 2004-09-12 Member: 31651Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-6john+Jan 29 2005, 10:02 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (6john @ Jan 29 2005, 10:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> you can see "the door" in the normal bast too. rotating and everything. you just need to know where to look. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    RR <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    But seeing it in the RR is just not the same.
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  • daidalosdaidalos Join Date: 2004-05-23 Member: 28854Members, Constellation
    I <3 ns_bast_classic.
    Never thought that a map can be so brilliant, so awesome, so excellent.
    gj <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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  • DruBoDruBo Back In Beige Join Date: 2002-02-06 Member: 172Members, NS1 Playtester
    edited January 2005
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
    <Mendasp> is there any ways to add cover in engine without raping the hive?
    <Mendasp> :DDDDDDDDD
    <Toothy> yes
    <Mendasp> PIPES
    <Toothy> pipes and crates
    <KungFuDiscoMonkey> format C:
    <Mendasp> CRATES
    <Olmy> HUGE PIPE
    <Olmy> CO_RESURRECTION STYLE
    <TheAdj`> seriously
    <Mendasp> co_resur... what's that
    <Olmy> my crappy co map
    <DruBo|AtWork> make it upside-down
    <Mendasp> YES
    <Mendasp> UPSIDE DOWN ROCKS
    <Mendasp> NEXT VERSION OF BAST WILL BE UPSIDE DOWN
    <KungFuDiscoMonkey> lol
    <Mendasp> then THE WHOLE MAP WILL ROTATE BACK TO THE ORIGINAL POSITION THANKS TO A TRIGGER_RANDOM
    <Olmy> australia will all be like 'WTH'
    <KungFuDiscoMonkey> That would be so hillarious
    <Olmy> WOW
    <DruBo|AtWork> you should just rotate it 180 and compile for a funny build
    <Olmy> A WHOLE MAP MADE OF ONE ENTITY
    <Olmy> I THINK HL CAN HANDLE IT!
    <Mendasp> YES
    <Mendasp> DEFINATLY
    <KungFuDiscoMonkey> HL would fall over and die
    <TheAdj`> mendasp, you should do that (seriously)
    <Mendasp> you know what would be hilarious?
    <Mendasp> I could make an announcement saying: NS_BAST_CLASSIC RELEASED
    <Mendasp> then it would be the beta 4 version upside down
    <Mendasp> mwhahahah
    <Mendasp> I'LL MAKE A POST ABOUT BAST IN GEN DISC
    <Mendasp> (let's hope this compile finishes soon)
    <ari> COMPILE BAST UPSIDE DOWN AND POST IT!
    <Mendasp> I'm on it!<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    So really, you have all of us to thank for this.
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  • BigfonzieBigfonzie Join Date: 2004-03-14 Member: 27328Members
    im sorry that im the only one who is saying this, and i understand and apreciate all the effort u put into bast (in all its forms) BUT, the latest ns_bast simply isnt as good as the old ones. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> if you had such diffrent ideas for bast, why not make a new map?<!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->, the latest bast isnt open enougth and engine hive is in a terrible place aswell as the rooms filled with box's leading up to it which look out of place on the map.

    i hope im thinking of the right map tho, i can never remember there names <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/nerd-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->


    anyway as a die hard ns player, i really do apreciate all the effort u have clearly put into your maps.
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