CplDavisI hunt the arctic SnonosJoin Date: 2003-01-09Member: 12097Members
edited June 2005
By reading these posts it would seem that a lot of you dont know anything about firearms past what you see from counterstike.... (which is about as far away from realism as me seeing a real live Onos out on the African plains.) <== but that would be reall cool <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Either that or you copied info from the internet.
Anyways, dont forget people that many manufactorers make their products chambered for different types of ammunition.
If you want to, you can get a different barrel etc for your desert eagle so it shoots .357 magnum, .44 magnum, or the .50AE.
Same for things like GLOCK as i said earlier. GLOCK makes several different models in 9mm, 10mm, .380, .40 cal, .45 cal, and .357
*btw GLOCKS are awsome
Realistically unless you are some super rich collecter etc I have no idea why you would even want to waste your money ($1,249.00) for the base desert eagle .50 AE model) on that. What are you going to do with it? .50 AE ammo is super expensive, concealed carry is next to impossible, and who wants to carry that huge ungainly beast on them anyways? If you shot someone with that even in self defense, get raedy for a lawsuit.
military people use it breach doors. lol
And if you want to debate it (the .50 AE model) being the most powerful handgun out there try the S&W X-frame Model 500. Its a 15 inch long , only costs $987 lol.
Anyways, if you are really truly interested in learning to shoot or buy any type of firearm I would personally go to this forum <a href='http://www.gunandgame.com/' target='_blank'>http://www.gunandgame.com/</a>
No I am not trying to advertise, Im simply pointing you to a resource full of knoweldge and expirienced shooters, hunters, gunowners etc. You can find forums on shooting techniques, gun laws, manufactorer data, and on basically any type of firearm out there.
Im not trying to demean anyones comments here. And I do know that there are a few very expirienced gun owners here.
But if you want more expirienced advice Id look in a good firearms forum than this one which is about a computer game. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Cpl, I am also kind of dissapointed in this community in gun knowledge. I'm not ubar-experianced, but I know a little more than CS guns.
I'd still say that a 9mm semi-auto glock would be a great choice. You don't need an automatic gun in hunting or sharpshooting. Ever. And desert eagles really suck, in my opinion. Average opinion- OMG 1 SHOT IN CS TO TEH HEAD DEAGLES ROX HYEAHZ!
UZiEight inches of C4 between the legs.Join Date: 2003-02-20Member: 13767Members
<!--QuoteBegin-Fatal Error+Jun 18 2005, 12:31 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Fatal Error @ Jun 18 2005, 12:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Cpl, I am also kind of dissapointed in this community in gun knowledge. I'm not ubar-experianced, but I know a little more than CS guns.
I'd still say that a 9mm semi-auto glock would be a great choice. You don't need an automatic gun in hunting or sharpshooting. Ever. And desert eagles really suck, in my opinion. Average opinion- OMG 1 SHOT IN CS TO TEH HEAD DEAGLES ROX HYEAHZ! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> They are a gun you bring to blow stuff up with, the extended barrel varient can be used in hunting I guess. Id prefer a Revolver though in that niche.
UZiEight inches of C4 between the legs.Join Date: 2003-02-20Member: 13767Members
<!--QuoteBegin-Fury+Jun 18 2005, 10:39 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Fury @ Jun 18 2005, 10:39 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> if i ever was able to get a gun (hopefully i can) then id either go for some form of sniper /hunting rifle, and/or a p90. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> You can only get a civilian legal semi automatic varient. That or a superexpensive/rare/taxed varient that's full auto.
The sale of new production full automatics is illegal.
BadKarmaThe Advanced Literature monsters burned my house and gave me a 7Join Date: 2002-11-12Member: 8260Members
Just to post my bit, im a big fan of surplus rifles. Lots of history and personality in these things. I got a Yugo SKS and a mint No.4 Enfield. Ammo and the weapons themselves can be had on the cheap, very economic.
It really does all depend on what you want to use it for. If you want to conceal it or get something small, then go with a handgun like the Glock 22 or Beretta. A USP may be a nice choice for a sidearm as well. If its a rifle you're after, then I suggest trying to get a hold of an AK-47, M4 or AR-15. If you want a sniper rifle let's say, then you could go out and legally buy a Barett 50-caliber rifle. I also reccomend trying to get your hands on a vintage WWII-era gun like a Thompson or a Garand. If you want to have the biggest and baddest gun around, get the OICW. I'm not sure how you're going to get a hold of one, but it would be cool to have one.
CplDavisI hunt the arctic SnonosJoin Date: 2003-01-09Member: 12097Members
<!--QuoteBegin-BaconTheory+Jun 18 2005, 03:49 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BaconTheory @ Jun 18 2005, 03:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If you want a sniper rifle let's say, then you could go out and legally buy a Barett 50-caliber rifle. I also reccomend trying to get your hands on a vintage WWII-era gun like a Thompson or a Garand.
<a href='http://www.barrettrifles.com/rifles.htm' target='_blank'>http://www.barrettrifles.com/rifles.htm</a> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Once again, I wouldnt recommend you buying a barret .50 cal sniper rifle.
As you cant do much with it besides shoot paper. Hunting with it is illegal and do you have any idea who much that weapon costs?!? lol. Several thousands of dollars.
Plus the ammo is hard to find and expensive.
If you want a good rifle look for a good semi auto, breechloader, or bolt action by remmington, windchester, or many others, look around. good qaulity, and a much more reasonable price. Under a thousand.
BadKarmaThe Advanced Literature monsters burned my house and gave me a 7Join Date: 2002-11-12Member: 8260Members
Bacon, that list is friggin crazy. There is no way in hell you'd get an OICW, authentic Thompson SMG (and the repros are pricey). Don't go to Colt for your AR-15 pattern rifles either, they rip you on the price. I reccomend the <a href='http://www.cavalryarms.com/' target='_blank'>Cavalry Arms Guys</a>. I got a cousin that works for them, really high quality rifles.
BadKarmaThe Advanced Literature monsters burned my house and gave me a 7Join Date: 2002-11-12Member: 8260Members
No such thing as an M-16 on the civvie market. The US military bought the design from Eugene Stoner, who patened it as the AR-15. Colt manufactures the AR-15. Like I said, Colt will rip you on the price, find a small time manufacturer who makes similar rifles. Mentioned above, Cavalry Arms makes superb weapons.
<!--QuoteBegin-BadKarma+Jun 18 2005, 06:55 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BadKarma @ Jun 18 2005, 06:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> No such thing as an M-16 on the civvie market. The US military bought the design from Eugene Stoner, who patened it as the AR-15. Colt manufactures the AR-15. Like I said, Colt will rip you on the price, find a small time manufacturer who makes similar rifles. Mentioned above, Cavalry Arms makes superb weapons. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> Really? Because an M16 would be a perfect choice for a semi-auto rifle. Like I said, you only need semi-auto, or if you really want auto, a burst limiter. You don't need a ****ing automatic gun. You don't need to blow the ****ing head off a deer.
QuaunautThe longest seven days in history...Join Date: 2003-03-21Member: 14759Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
<!--QuoteBegin-BadKarma+Jun 18 2005, 03:24 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BadKarma @ Jun 18 2005, 03:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Bacon, that list is friggin crazy. There is no way in hell you'd get an OICW, authentic Thompson SMG (and the repros are pricey). Don't go to Colt for your AR-15 pattern rifles either, they rip you on the price. I reccomend the <a href='http://www.cavalryarms.com/' target='_blank'>Cavalry Arms Guys</a>. I got a cousin that works for them, really high quality rifles. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Don't know about you, but I've got ways of grabbing at least 3 thompsons with no trouble. From what I've noticed, a lot of sellers at the local gun shows are practically giving them away($800-$1200).
CplDavisI hunt the arctic SnonosJoin Date: 2003-01-09Member: 12097Members
<!--QuoteBegin-Fatal Error+Jun 18 2005, 06:06 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Fatal Error @ Jun 18 2005, 06:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> Really? Because an M16 would be a perfect choice for a semi-auto rifle. Like I said, you only need semi-auto, or if you really want auto, a burst limiter. You don't need a ****ing automatic gun. You don't need to blow the ****ing head off a deer. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> You cant hunt with an automatic weapon in the first place... <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
BadKarmaThe Advanced Literature monsters burned my house and gave me a 7Join Date: 2002-11-12Member: 8260Members
edited June 2005
<!--QuoteBegin-CplDavis+Jun 18 2005, 06:28 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CplDavis @ Jun 18 2005, 06:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Fatal Error+Jun 18 2005, 06:06 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Fatal Error @ Jun 18 2005, 06:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> Really? Because an M16 would be a perfect choice for a semi-auto rifle. Like I said, you only need semi-auto, or if you really want auto, a burst limiter. You don't need a ****ing automatic gun. You don't need to blow the ****ing head off a deer. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> You cant hunt with an automatic weapon in the first place... <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> An AR-15 for all intents and purposes is an M-16. Here's the "Rifleman" that Cavalry Arms is selling, 20' barrel. <img src='http://www.cavalryarms.com/rifleman.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
And Quan, are they actual GI issue Thompsons or repros?
EDIT: And Fatal, 3 rnd. burst counts as a "Class 3" weapon in the states, same restrictions as rock n' roll.
Code9Bored and running out of ammunition.Join Date: 2003-11-29Member: 23740Members
edited June 2005
Omega, from your post i'm going to assume you have very little, if any firearms experience. If i am wrong, please disregard the next part of my post:
#1 Buy a .22. for a handgun i'd very highly recommend the browning buckmark, and for a rifle the Ruger 10/22 hands down. It seems wimpy, but you really DO NOT want to develop a flinch that will likely takes you months or years to get yourself out of while taking your first babysteps. The exception to this rule would be shotguns. I'd tell you to go for a 12 bore and not look back. .410s might be smaller, but your shoulder probably won't be able to tell, the .410 is more of an experts shotgun than a beginner. 12 w/ light loads, perhaps 7 1/2 shot for learning, step up to buckshot or slugs later.
#2 Buy some good muffs/plugs and USE THEM. Which one? I prefer muffs. Some people just use both and be done with it. Also, get yourself some shooting glasses. Wear those too. Unburnt powder grains, a hot casing, or god forbid a fragment of a ruptured casing (or, if you ever start reloading casings, the firearm!) in the eye makes for a very unpleasant trip to the eye doctor.
#3 If you have Zero knowledge of shooting, grab Art of the Rifle or something similar.
After you've learned to really use a rifle/pistol/shotgun, a SECOND gun is where you get the big toys...You never stated what purpose the thing would be for, so i'm going to give you some options.
Cheap: Mosin nagants, Enfields, MAS36s (French, but trust me, a 7.5mm hole tends to make things stop laughing.), Yugo M48 maybe. Very cheap, powerfull, more accurate than a fair amount of shooters I see on the firing line.
Versatile: Anything derived from the AK, AK pattern rifles in my experience range from about 300 USD for the SAR-1/2/3 from romania (7.62, 5.45, 5.56mm respectively.) to nearing the 1000 USD mark for Arsenal, Kalashnikov USA, and Krebs Kustom, but if you want a rifle you can depend to put steel on target, go bang every time, and at the same time afford to shoot, these are definately top-tier and worth every penny. The AR15 coming in at about a tie, I honestly would suggest that rather than buying a complete rifle in this case, that you buy parts from say, Bushmaster (Buy barrels here!) Rock River Arms, DPMS, Colt if you have the money, and assemble it yourself. It's about as difficult as putting together legos. It's not really any cheaper than buying one already made, maybe a few hundred less, but just like a computer, you build your own you get EXACTLY what you want as opposed to buying the computer and spending as much again upgrading what you dont like.
EDIT: Forgot about cavalry arms. They make good stuff. Just dont like having the pistol grip and butt permanently attached to the lower reciever even if it is overall lighter.
The M1 Garand is an *EXCELLENT* choice, they're availible in 30-06 (7.62x63 for you metric commies.) And 7.62 NATO/.308, in the latter case, it opens up not only surplus ammo but the nice frangible police type loadings for indoor use (Hornady TAP anyone?) They can most definately reach out and touch someone at 500 meters + with a good man behind the sights, the recoil isn't punishing, but it is noticeable after a long shooting session, ammo is not cheap, but affordable, reloading is very fast, and if you were to ever need it, like most pre-1970 military rifles, it has a large, metal butt plate. This backed up by the 10 pounds of wood and steel in front of it, delivered with great force, tends to make people lose interest in harassing you. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I'd really, Really avoid the Mini-14 as anything but a pure range toy. I have heard very few good comments about the rifle, usually after 400 dollars worth of work has been done to it, if you want something somewhat like it, look at the SU-16. folds in half for storage, AR/M16 mags, about the same cost, and on the whole a better rifle.
M1A/G3/FAL/AR10 - The big three battle rifles. These will do anything. All are in 7.62x51, all have 20-30 round magazines. All are quite accurate when actually aimed and capable of going out to 500m+ just like a garand. The PITA with these three is that as a civillian, in the US, there doesn't seem to be a great many options in getting one thats worth a crap, AND for less than your first born child. Century builds FALs and G3 pattern rifles, but the QC is spotty. H&K doesn't build the HK91 (or the G3 for that matter.) anymore, only options I know of at this time for a really GOOD prebuilt FAL or M1A is DSA for the FAL, Springfield armory or maybe fulton armory for the M1A. Armalite for the AR10. Knights armament if you like kicking yourself in the ****. DPMS now makes a more affordable AR10 *LIKE* rifle, but it is not. Bushmaster also makes a .308 rifle that uses FAL mags, but the 1700 dollar pricetag scares people off. Heck the pricetags on all four of these rifles from a reputable manufacturer scares people off, and makes baby jesus explode into tiny gooey bloody giblets. On the upside magazines (excepting the AR10/SR25, good god.) are extremely cheap.
Pistol caliber: i've got to handle the CX4 storm on a few occasions, and while it does look kinda nice, it feels a bit too flimsy for the 650 pricetag, and i'd simply rather get a pair of AKs. or an AR15 (it can be done with luck and carefull shopping!) On the other hand, if you buy a beretta 92FS, there IS something to be said for a long arm that uses the same mags and ammo as your sidearm. And a pistol caliber carbine will place steel on target light years ahead of a handgun, as a general rule. The Hi point carbine, while ugly as heck, does seem to function well, and it is very accurate. Be warned that it is a pain to take down and clean, the sights seem a little flimsy, and the stock has an annoying tendancy to slap you during recoil. Not hard, but annoying. The Kel tec sub 2000, like the SU-16, folds in half for storage, fairly cheap and can accept beretta mags..(Or glock. some others depending on the rifle.) AR15s can be built/found in pistol calibers, which makes me drool, keep this in mind.
M1 Carbine i'd really pass over for purchase. Ammo is very expensive for what you get, it IS light and handy, but its no target rifle, it's not a great manstopper (Though it does, and has in the past.) it doesn't have the biggest magazine capacity, and at least mine is rather finnicky on functioning. It's not a BAD rifle, you can simply do more with less nowadays.
This just in: Remembered that the 1911 pattern handguns and some glocks have conversion kits to .22 caliber, and other kits that use the frame to turn them into a very, VERY *ugly* rifle.
Accuracy - Erm. I won't even get into this section of uber-accurate-1-hole-group rifles, because that will turn this novel post into a whole volume of novel posts, but a remington 700 or similar with a heavy barrel, and add a leupold (Resist the temptation to buy cheaper glass. As far as rifles go cheaper != worse, but as glass goes, it seems you really DO get what you pay for.). Or build up a heavy barrel AR15 (Noticing a pattern here? The @#(%*@ things can be configured in almost every way imaginable.) and throw the leupold on that, just be sure to feed it good ammo, as match chambers are quick to anger and will cause much annoyance to the firer.
<!--QuoteBegin-Burncycle+Jun 18 2005, 01:20 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Burncycle @ Jun 18 2005, 01:20 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Far as autos go
Deagle- prolly the easiest most powerful one to handle (aka, the most powerful the average person can use without hurting themselves... much) Heavy, Hard hitting, expensive w/ expensive ammo. Pretty. Will put a bowlingball size + hole in someone.
1911 Colt 45 SI- Poweful, Effective, and damn simple. The Apple of Auto's, rivled only by the Ruger and Luger. Will put a baseball sized hole in a person. Lightweightish in comparison.
.45 cal Berette- small, easy to conceal, effective 10 yards max. Puts a fist sized hole in you, but at 20 yards you'll aim for their head and blow off their balls. 3 inch barrel = tiny gun and a good kick but NO accuracy past 5 yards. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You're joking right? Where did you hear it will put a "bowling ball/baseball/fist size hole" in someone? Have you actually fired any of the above?
Omega, again I would handle a variety and see what feels the most comfortable.
You need to ask yourself: 1) What sort of action do you want? Single action only? Double action only? Both Single action and double action? 2) What kind of safety features do you want? "Point and shoot" like glocks and springfield XD's, or do you perfer manual safeties like the 1911's? 3) Are you more concerned with capability or concealability? Some people buy tiny mouseguns, others find a way to carry full sized pistols, even if that means resorting to fanny packs 4) What caliber are you interested in?
In the grand scheme of things, all of the common calibers will do the job, be it 9mm, .357 Sig, 40 S&W, .45 ACP/GAP, or 10mm auto. The most important thing with any firearm is shot placement; there's no point in buying an uber powerful handgun right off the bat only to find out that it's hard to control and hit the target with. This is why I suggested going to the range that lets you rent pistols, or with a friend who owns a variety of them. Find out the most powerful caliber YOU can comfortably control, because hitting the target is more important than how big the boom is, and then find the most comfortable pistol in that caliber.
You are going to hear a ton of people screaming a ton of different brand names and pistols out at you all at once. Keep in mind though that something that is right for them may not be right for you. If ANY of the pistols listed peaked your interest, it doesn't mean you should go out and buy one right away; instead, you should do a google search on that pistol and learn all you can about it first. You'll come across descriptive websites, but also forums with actual user reviews and comments that may make the difference in your decision.
After you finally select one, then comes the long process of getting your permit and finding which ammo is right for you <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yes, I have believe it or not... trust me, a day at the firing range and I go home black and blue in the shoulder (rifle + pistol) and about $200 poorer from ammo useage!
I may be exagerating a little, but it IS a rough comparison of their power.
I should have been more specific-- that's the ammo I use. >_> I'd go check and get the exact type for ya, but as I'm not ABLE to buy it, nor do I keep it here (stays at my Grandparents, out of the reach of my lil bro) I dont' have it on hand
My tip if you have 0 gun experience
Get a nice 9mm Glock. Relatively easy to maintain, and low-ish cost ammo. Good accuracy at medium range, fair power, and medium-low recoil (at least my one is) Also fairly easy to clean and reassemble. And they're relatively resilient.
BadKarmaThe Advanced Literature monsters burned my house and gave me a 7Join Date: 2002-11-12Member: 8260Members
A half inch wide piece of lead coming out of a little pistol cartridge is not going to punch bowling ball or baseball or tennis ball sized holes in folks. Movies and games are putting far too much stock in the power of the big .50 pistols. Even the biggest pistol round dosnt have much on the smallet rifle round. Get out of the Dirty Harry mindset.
BreakthroughTexture Artist (ns_prometheus)Join Date: 2005-03-27Member: 46620Members, Constellation
I have no firearm experience, but I always admired the USP Compact model for some reason - anyone ever use this weapon, and have any thoughts or opinions about it? I'd like to hear it <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
And yeah, people always think bullets are way bigger than they appear to be... Probably because in the movies, the blood spreads really quick and makes a large red spot...
<!--QuoteBegin-BadKarma+Jun 18 2005, 06:32 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BadKarma @ Jun 18 2005, 06:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-CplDavis+Jun 18 2005, 06:28 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CplDavis @ Jun 18 2005, 06:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Fatal Error+Jun 18 2005, 06:06 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Fatal Error @ Jun 18 2005, 06:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> Really? Because an M16 would be a perfect choice for a semi-auto rifle. Like I said, you only need semi-auto, or if you really want auto, a burst limiter. You don't need a ****ing automatic gun. You don't need to blow the ****ing head off a deer. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> You cant hunt with an automatic weapon in the first place... <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> An AR-15 for all intents and purposes is an M-16. Here's the "Rifleman" that Cavalry Arms is selling, 20' barrel. <img src='http://www.cavalryarms.com/rifleman.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
And Quan, are they actual GI issue Thompsons or repros?
EDIT: And Fatal, 3 rnd. burst counts as a "Class 3" weapon in the states, same restrictions as rock n' roll. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Wow a cav arms fan in THIS forum? Speaking of this forum... i believe the Original poster should direct any questions to this forum:
Some of the cav arms guys post there themselves... among (ex)military personal and LEOs. If you have a question about firearms they'd be the best people to ask.
Not this forum... this forum has been filled with gungrabbers and uninformed people expressing their video game preferences as fact for as long as i can remember.
Personally... i think you should pickup a remington 870 and go shoot trap. What a blast, I'd almost rank it funner then plinking at targets. (Granted you'll hone your shooting skills faster with a rifle)
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<!--QuoteBegin-Trevelyan+Jun 18 2005, 08:17 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Trevelyan @ Jun 18 2005, 08:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-BadKarma+Jun 18 2005, 06:32 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BadKarma @ Jun 18 2005, 06:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-CplDavis+Jun 18 2005, 06:28 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CplDavis @ Jun 18 2005, 06:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Fatal Error+Jun 18 2005, 06:06 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Fatal Error @ Jun 18 2005, 06:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> Really? Because an M16 would be a perfect choice for a semi-auto rifle. Like I said, you only need semi-auto, or if you really want auto, a burst limiter. You don't need a ****ing automatic gun. You don't need to blow the ****ing head off a deer. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> You cant hunt with an automatic weapon in the first place... <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> An AR-15 for all intents and purposes is an M-16. Here's the "Rifleman" that Cavalry Arms is selling, 20' barrel. <img src='http://www.cavalryarms.com/rifleman.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
And Quan, are they actual GI issue Thompsons or repros?
EDIT: And Fatal, 3 rnd. burst counts as a "Class 3" weapon in the states, same restrictions as rock n' roll. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Wow a cav arms fan in THIS forum? Speaking of this forum... i believe the Original poster should direct any questions to this forum:
Some of the cav arms guys post there themselves... among (ex)military personal and LEOs. If you have a question about firearms they'd be the best people to ask.
Not this forum... this forum has been filled with gungrabbers and uninformed people expressing their video game preferences as fact for as long as i can remember.
Personally... i think you should pickup a remington 870 and go shoot trap. What a blast, I'd almost rank it funner then plinking at targets. (Granted you'll hone your shooting skills faster with a rifle)
<img src='http://www.remington.com/images/firearms/mn_870.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Trev my man, if only I lived in the states. Last time I was down to Georgia I got to fool around with the Rifleman, made my Yugo green with envy.
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<!--QuoteBegin-BadKarma+Jun 18 2005, 04:32 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BadKarma @ Jun 18 2005, 04:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-CplDavis+Jun 18 2005, 06:28 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CplDavis @ Jun 18 2005, 06:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Fatal Error+Jun 18 2005, 06:06 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Fatal Error @ Jun 18 2005, 06:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> Really? Because an M16 would be a perfect choice for a semi-auto rifle. Like I said, you only need semi-auto, or if you really want auto, a burst limiter. You don't need a ****ing automatic gun. You don't need to blow the ****ing head off a deer. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> You cant hunt with an automatic weapon in the first place... <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> An AR-15 for all intents and purposes is an M-16. Here's the "Rifleman" that Cavalry Arms is selling, 20' barrel. <img src='http://www.cavalryarms.com/rifleman.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
And Quan, are they actual GI issue Thompsons or repros?
EDIT: And Fatal, 3 rnd. burst counts as a "Class 3" weapon in the states, same restrictions as rock n' roll. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Their "real and were used in WW2" as the seller was saying.
well, arent we just a wonderful bunch of proud american gun toting rednecks tonight! <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
although im english, i have experience with a fair few firearms.. i would say an m9, they are comfy. smooth. the kick is easy. basically. ther is no great ups about the gun, medium kinda power, that kind of thing but there is no downs either, when you squeeze the trigger, she will fire.
thats all i have to say <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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<!--QuoteBegin-Quaunaut+Jun 18 2005, 08:31 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Quaunaut @ Jun 18 2005, 08:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-BadKarma+Jun 18 2005, 04:32 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BadKarma @ Jun 18 2005, 04:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-CplDavis+Jun 18 2005, 06:28 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CplDavis @ Jun 18 2005, 06:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Fatal Error+Jun 18 2005, 06:06 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Fatal Error @ Jun 18 2005, 06:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> Really? Because an M16 would be a perfect choice for a semi-auto rifle. Like I said, you only need semi-auto, or if you really want auto, a burst limiter. You don't need a ****ing automatic gun. You don't need to blow the ****ing head off a deer. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> You cant hunt with an automatic weapon in the first place... <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> An AR-15 for all intents and purposes is an M-16. Here's the "Rifleman" that Cavalry Arms is selling, 20' barrel. <img src='http://www.cavalryarms.com/rifleman.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
And Quan, are they actual GI issue Thompsons or repros?
EDIT: And Fatal, 3 rnd. burst counts as a "Class 3" weapon in the states, same restrictions as rock n' roll. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Their "real and were used in WW2" as the seller was saying. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> See that's suspect. Was this a reputable joint? Was he a Class 3 dealer or were they tampered? I'm finding it hard to believe that he was selling auth Tommies, especially issueds.
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although im english, i have experience with a fair few firearms.. i would say an m9, they are comfy. smooth. the kick is easy. basically. ther is no great ups about the gun, medium kinda power, that kind of thing but there is no downs either, when you squeeze the trigger, she will fire.
thats all i have to say <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Im a Canuck, I just envy Yank freedoms.
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This thread is filled with so much ignorance on the subject matter, it boggles the sense...
What do you want to start off with? Pistol or Rifle?
The best advice would be with a .22 lr pistol or rifle and move from there.
For anything else, there is the magic world or surplus or new production. I personally like surplus, it has more of a soul and is tried and true with great value!
I love my Yugo M-48, Bulgarian Makarov, Romanian SAR-1, and M-44 Mosin Nagant. YEs, I do enjoy East-Bloc/Commie weapons for the safe of high quality with low cost and great reputation of the 'weapon of my enemy' feel. Let alone the ammo is so cheap you can order online saving hundreds of bucks for more fun things!
I order ammo by the thousand rounds for sake of cheapness in bulk and easy storage in those old .50 cal ammo boxes that are water proof and stack nice.
For rifles, there is manual and auto-loading. You got your bolt-actions, lever actions, pump, and break-opens. For autoloadings you have magazine fed (either with real magazines or stripper-clips, like an SKS) or even into the fun world of full-auto with the right amount of time, money, and paper work.
OH! EDIT! Make sure you can get ammo for your new firearm. It would be a biotcho to get a nice $80 Nagant revolver to find out the ammo is close to 50 cents a shot! HA! Or a nice 6.5mm Italian Manlincher-Carcano and ammo is 2 bucks a shot!
<!--QuoteBegin-BadKarma+Jun 18 2005, 07:24 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BadKarma @ Jun 18 2005, 07:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> A half inch wide piece of lead coming out of a little pistol cartridge is not going to punch bowling ball or baseball or tennis ball sized holes in folks. Movies and games are putting far too much stock in the power of the big .50 pistols. Even the biggest pistol round dosnt have much on the smallet rifle round. Get out of the Dirty Harry mindset. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> The exit wound man!
You have soft tissue being torn by
bullet Bit of bone chunks of flesh strips of bacon/muscle and other sinew
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edited June 2005
Those Nagants are turds man. The revolvers anyway.
Edit: Bullet, it's just not happening. If .50 AE is leaving a hole the size of a bowling ball, how big a hole does 7.62x 39 leave? Just tears you in half? Your typing fiction man. Im not denying exit holes are bigger, but your being very dramatic.
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Either that or you copied info from the internet.
Anyways, dont forget people that many manufactorers make their products chambered for different types of ammunition.
If you want to, you can get a different barrel etc for your desert eagle so it shoots .357 magnum, .44 magnum, or the .50AE.
Same for things like GLOCK as i said earlier. GLOCK makes several different models in 9mm, 10mm, .380, .40 cal, .45 cal, and .357
*btw GLOCKS are awsome
Realistically unless you are some super rich collecter etc I have no idea why you would even want to waste your money ($1,249.00) for the base desert eagle .50 AE model)
on that. What are you going to do with it?
.50 AE ammo is super expensive, concealed carry is next to impossible, and who wants to carry that huge ungainly beast on them anyways? If you shot someone with that even in self defense, get raedy for a lawsuit.
military people use it breach doors. lol
And if you want to debate it (the .50 AE model) being the most powerful handgun out there try the S&W X-frame Model 500. Its a 15 inch long , only costs $987 lol.
Anyways, if you are really truly interested in learning to shoot or buy any type of firearm I would personally go to this forum <a href='http://www.gunandgame.com/' target='_blank'>http://www.gunandgame.com/</a>
No I am not trying to advertise, Im simply pointing you to a resource full of knoweldge and expirienced shooters, hunters, gunowners etc. You can find forums on shooting techniques, gun laws, manufactorer data, and on basically any type of firearm out there.
Im not trying to demean anyones comments here. And I do know that there are a few very expirienced gun owners here.
But if you want more expirienced advice Id look in a good firearms forum than this one which is about a computer game.
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I'd still say that a 9mm semi-auto glock would be a great choice. You don't need an automatic gun in hunting or sharpshooting. Ever. And desert eagles really suck, in my opinion. Average opinion- OMG 1 SHOT IN CS TO TEH HEAD DEAGLES ROX HYEAHZ!
I'd still say that a 9mm semi-auto glock would be a great choice. You don't need an automatic gun in hunting or sharpshooting. Ever. And desert eagles really suck, in my opinion. Average opinion- OMG 1 SHOT IN CS TO TEH HEAD DEAGLES ROX HYEAHZ! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
They are a gun you bring to blow stuff up with, the extended barrel varient can be used in hunting I guess. Id prefer a Revolver though in that niche.
You can only get a civilian legal semi automatic varient. That or a superexpensive/rare/taxed varient that's full auto.
The sale of new production full automatics is illegal.
<a href='http://www.barrettrifles.com/rifles.htm' target='_blank'>http://www.barrettrifles.com/rifles.htm</a>
<a href='http://kalashnikov.guns.ru/models/ka50.html' target='_blank'>http://kalashnikov.guns.ru/models/ka50.html</a>
<a href='http://www.glock.com/g22.htm' target='_blank'>http://www.glock.com/g22.htm</a>
<a href='http://www.berettausa.com/product/product_pistols_main.htm' target='_blank'>http://www.berettausa.com/product/product_pistols_main.htm</a>
<a href='http://www.hecklerkoch-usa.com/index.jsp?loc=101&SITEID=A&PartNumber=704501' target='_blank'>http://www.hecklerkoch-usa.com/index.jsp?l...rtNumber=704501</a>
<a href='http://www.colt.com/law/m4.asp' target='_blank'>http://www.colt.com/law/m4.asp</a>
<a href='http://www.hkpro.com/oicw.htm' target='_blank'>http://www.hkpro.com/oicw.htm</a>
<a href='http://www.barrettrifles.com/rifles.htm' target='_blank'>http://www.barrettrifles.com/rifles.htm</a>
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Once again, I wouldnt recommend you buying a barret .50 cal sniper rifle.
As you cant do much with it besides shoot paper. Hunting with it is illegal and do you have any idea who much that weapon costs?!? lol. Several thousands of dollars.
Plus the ammo is hard to find and expensive.
If you want a good rifle look for a good semi auto, breechloader, or bolt action by remmington, windchester, or many others, look around. good qaulity, and a much more reasonable price. Under a thousand.
<!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> Really? Because an M16 would be a perfect choice for a semi-auto rifle. Like I said, you only need semi-auto, or if you really want auto, a burst limiter. You don't need a ****ing automatic gun. You don't need to blow the ****ing head off a deer.
Don't know about you, but I've got ways of grabbing at least 3 thompsons with no trouble. From what I've noticed, a lot of sellers at the local gun shows are practically giving them away($800-$1200).
You cant hunt with an automatic weapon in the first place... <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
You cant hunt with an automatic weapon in the first place... <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
An AR-15 for all intents and purposes is an M-16. Here's the "Rifleman" that Cavalry Arms is selling, 20' barrel. <img src='http://www.cavalryarms.com/rifleman.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
And Quan, are they actual GI issue Thompsons or repros?
EDIT: And Fatal, 3 rnd. burst counts as a "Class 3" weapon in the states, same restrictions as rock n' roll.
#1 Buy a .22. for a handgun i'd very highly recommend the browning buckmark, and for a rifle the Ruger 10/22 hands down. It seems wimpy, but you really DO NOT want to develop a flinch that will likely takes you months or years to get yourself out of while taking your first babysteps. The exception to this rule would be shotguns. I'd tell you to go for a 12 bore and not look back. .410s might be smaller, but your shoulder probably won't be able to tell, the .410 is more of an experts shotgun than a beginner. 12 w/ light loads, perhaps 7 1/2 shot for learning, step up to buckshot or slugs later.
#2 Buy some good muffs/plugs and USE THEM. Which one? I prefer muffs. Some people just use both and be done with it. Also, get yourself some shooting glasses. Wear those too. Unburnt powder grains, a hot casing, or god forbid a fragment of a ruptured casing (or, if you ever start reloading casings, the firearm!) in the eye makes for a very unpleasant trip to the eye doctor.
#3 If you have Zero knowledge of shooting, grab Art of the Rifle or something similar.
After you've learned to really use a rifle/pistol/shotgun, a SECOND gun is where you get the big toys...You never stated what purpose the thing would be for, so i'm going to give you some options.
Cheap: Mosin nagants, Enfields, MAS36s (French, but trust me, a 7.5mm hole tends to make things stop laughing.), Yugo M48 maybe. Very cheap, powerfull, more accurate than a fair amount of shooters I see on the firing line.
Versatile: Anything derived from the AK, AK pattern rifles in my experience range from about 300 USD for the SAR-1/2/3 from romania (7.62, 5.45, 5.56mm respectively.) to nearing the 1000 USD mark for Arsenal, Kalashnikov USA, and Krebs Kustom, but if you want a rifle you can depend to put steel on target, go bang every time, and at the same time afford to shoot, these are definately top-tier and worth every penny. The AR15 coming in at about a tie, I honestly would suggest that rather than buying a complete rifle in this case, that you buy parts from say, Bushmaster (Buy barrels here!) Rock River Arms, DPMS, Colt if you have the money, and assemble it yourself. It's about as difficult as putting together legos. It's not really any cheaper than buying one already made, maybe a few hundred less, but just like a computer, you build your own you get EXACTLY what you want as opposed to buying the computer and spending as much again upgrading what you dont like.
EDIT: Forgot about cavalry arms. They make good stuff. Just dont like having the pistol grip and butt permanently attached to the lower reciever even if it is overall lighter.
The M1 Garand is an *EXCELLENT* choice, they're availible in 30-06 (7.62x63 for you metric commies.) And 7.62 NATO/.308, in the latter case, it opens up not only surplus ammo but the nice frangible police type loadings for indoor use (Hornady TAP anyone?) They can most definately reach out and touch someone at 500 meters + with a good man behind the sights, the recoil isn't punishing, but it is noticeable after a long shooting session, ammo is not cheap, but affordable, reloading is very fast, and if you were to ever need it, like most pre-1970 military rifles, it has a large, metal butt plate. This backed up by the 10 pounds of wood and steel in front of it, delivered with great force, tends to make people lose interest in harassing you. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I'd really, Really avoid the Mini-14 as anything but a pure range toy. I have heard very few good comments about the rifle, usually after 400 dollars worth of work has been done to it, if you want something somewhat like it, look at the SU-16. folds in half for storage, AR/M16 mags, about the same cost, and on the whole a better rifle.
M1A/G3/FAL/AR10 - The big three battle rifles. These will do anything. All are in 7.62x51, all have 20-30 round magazines. All are quite accurate when actually aimed and capable of going out to 500m+ just like a garand. The PITA with these three is that as a civillian, in the US, there doesn't seem to be a great many options in getting one thats worth a crap, AND for less than your first born child. Century builds FALs and G3 pattern rifles, but the QC is spotty. H&K doesn't build the HK91 (or the G3 for that matter.) anymore, only options I know of at this time for a really GOOD prebuilt FAL or M1A is DSA for the FAL, Springfield armory or maybe fulton armory for the M1A. Armalite for the AR10. Knights armament if you like kicking yourself in the ****. DPMS now makes a more affordable AR10 *LIKE* rifle, but it is not. Bushmaster also makes a .308 rifle that uses FAL mags, but the 1700 dollar pricetag scares people off. Heck the pricetags on all four of these rifles from a reputable manufacturer scares people off, and makes baby jesus explode into tiny gooey bloody giblets. On the upside magazines (excepting the AR10/SR25, good god.) are extremely cheap.
Pistol caliber: i've got to handle the CX4 storm on a few occasions, and while it does look kinda nice, it feels a bit too flimsy for the 650 pricetag, and i'd simply rather get a pair of AKs. or an AR15 (it can be done with luck and carefull shopping!) On the other hand, if you buy a beretta 92FS, there IS something to be said for a long arm that uses the same mags and ammo as your sidearm. And a pistol caliber carbine will place steel on target light years ahead of a handgun, as a general rule. The Hi point carbine, while ugly as heck, does seem to function well, and it is very accurate. Be warned that it is a pain to take down and clean, the sights seem a little flimsy, and the stock has an annoying tendancy to slap you during recoil. Not hard, but annoying. The Kel tec sub 2000, like the SU-16, folds in half for storage, fairly cheap and can accept beretta mags..(Or glock. some others depending on the rifle.) AR15s can be built/found in pistol calibers, which makes me drool, keep this in mind.
M1 Carbine i'd really pass over for purchase. Ammo is very expensive for what you get, it IS light and handy, but its no target rifle, it's not a great manstopper (Though it does, and has in the past.) it doesn't have the biggest magazine capacity, and at least mine is rather finnicky on functioning. It's not a BAD rifle, you can simply do more with less nowadays.
This just in: Remembered that the 1911 pattern handguns and some glocks have conversion kits to .22 caliber, and other kits that use the frame to turn them into a very, VERY *ugly* rifle.
Accuracy - Erm. I won't even get into this section of uber-accurate-1-hole-group rifles, because that will turn this novel post into a whole volume of novel posts, but a remington 700 or similar with a heavy barrel, and add a leupold (Resist the temptation to buy cheaper glass. As far as rifles go cheaper != worse, but as glass goes, it seems you really DO get what you pay for.). Or build up a heavy barrel AR15 (Noticing a pattern here? The @#(%*@ things can be configured in almost every way imaginable.) and throw the leupold on that, just be sure to feed it good ammo, as match chambers are quick to anger and will cause much annoyance to the firer.
Deagle- prolly the easiest most powerful one to handle (aka, the most powerful the average person can use without hurting themselves... much) Heavy, Hard hitting, expensive w/ expensive ammo. Pretty. Will put a bowlingball size + hole in someone.
1911 Colt 45 SI- Poweful, Effective, and damn simple. The Apple of Auto's, rivled only by the Ruger and Luger. Will put a baseball sized hole in a person. Lightweightish in comparison.
.45 cal Berette- small, easy to conceal, effective 10 yards max. Puts a fist sized hole in you, but at 20 yards you'll aim for their head and blow off their balls. 3 inch barrel = tiny gun and a good kick but NO accuracy past 5 yards. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You're joking right? Where did you hear it will put a "bowling ball/baseball/fist size hole" in someone? Have you actually fired any of the above?
Omega, again I would handle a variety and see what feels the most comfortable.
You need to ask yourself:
1) What sort of action do you want? Single action only? Double action only? Both Single action and double action?
2) What kind of safety features do you want? "Point and shoot" like glocks and springfield XD's, or do you perfer manual safeties like the 1911's?
3) Are you more concerned with capability or concealability? Some people buy tiny mouseguns, others find a way to carry full sized pistols, even if that means resorting to fanny packs
4) What caliber are you interested in?
In the grand scheme of things, all of the common calibers will do the job, be it 9mm, .357 Sig, 40 S&W, .45 ACP/GAP, or 10mm auto. The most important thing with any firearm is shot placement; there's no point in buying an uber powerful handgun right off the bat only to find out that it's hard to control and hit the target with. This is why I suggested going to the range that lets you rent pistols, or with a friend who owns a variety of them. Find out the most powerful caliber YOU can comfortably control, because hitting the target is more important than how big the boom is, and then find the most comfortable pistol in that caliber.
You are going to hear a ton of people screaming a ton of different brand names and pistols out at you all at once. Keep in mind though that something that is right for them may not be right for you. If ANY of the pistols listed peaked your interest, it doesn't mean you should go out and buy one right away; instead, you should do a google search on that pistol and learn all you can about it first. You'll come across descriptive websites, but also forums with actual user reviews and comments that may make the difference in your decision.
After you finally select one, then comes the long process of getting your permit and finding which ammo is right for you <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes, I have believe it or not... trust me, a day at the firing range and I go home black and blue in the shoulder (rifle + pistol) and about $200 poorer from ammo useage!
I may be exagerating a little, but it IS a rough comparison of their power.
I should have been more specific-- that's the ammo I use. >_> I'd go check and get the exact type for ya, but as I'm not ABLE to buy it, nor do I keep it here (stays at my Grandparents, out of the reach of my lil bro) I dont' have it on hand
My tip if you have 0 gun experience
Get a nice 9mm Glock. Relatively easy to maintain, and low-ish cost ammo. Good accuracy at medium range, fair power, and medium-low recoil (at least my one is) Also fairly easy to clean and reassemble. And they're relatively resilient.
And yeah, people always think bullets are way bigger than they appear to be... Probably because in the movies, the blood spreads really quick and makes a large red spot...
You cant hunt with an automatic weapon in the first place... <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
An AR-15 for all intents and purposes is an M-16. Here's the "Rifleman" that Cavalry Arms is selling, 20' barrel. <img src='http://www.cavalryarms.com/rifleman.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
And Quan, are they actual GI issue Thompsons or repros?
EDIT: And Fatal, 3 rnd. burst counts as a "Class 3" weapon in the states, same restrictions as rock n' roll. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Wow a cav arms fan in THIS forum? Speaking of this forum... i believe the Original poster should direct any questions to this forum:
<a href='http://forums.firearmsmod.com/forumdisplay.php?f=12' target='_blank'>http://forums.firearmsmod.com/forumdisplay.php?f=12</a>
Some of the cav arms guys post there themselves... among (ex)military personal and LEOs. If you have a question about firearms they'd be the best people to ask.
Not this forum... this forum has been filled with gungrabbers and uninformed people expressing their video game preferences as fact for as long as i can remember.
Personally... i think you should pickup a remington 870 and go shoot trap. What a blast, I'd almost rank it funner then plinking at targets. (Granted you'll hone your shooting skills faster with a rifle)
<img src='http://www.remington.com/images/firearms/mn_870.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
You cant hunt with an automatic weapon in the first place... <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
An AR-15 for all intents and purposes is an M-16. Here's the "Rifleman" that Cavalry Arms is selling, 20' barrel. <img src='http://www.cavalryarms.com/rifleman.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
And Quan, are they actual GI issue Thompsons or repros?
EDIT: And Fatal, 3 rnd. burst counts as a "Class 3" weapon in the states, same restrictions as rock n' roll. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Wow a cav arms fan in THIS forum? Speaking of this forum... i believe the Original poster should direct any questions to this forum:
<a href='http://forums.firearmsmod.com/forumdisplay.php?f=12' target='_blank'>http://forums.firearmsmod.com/forumdisplay.php?f=12</a>
Some of the cav arms guys post there themselves... among (ex)military personal and LEOs. If you have a question about firearms they'd be the best people to ask.
Not this forum... this forum has been filled with gungrabbers and uninformed people expressing their video game preferences as fact for as long as i can remember.
Personally... i think you should pickup a remington 870 and go shoot trap. What a blast, I'd almost rank it funner then plinking at targets. (Granted you'll hone your shooting skills faster with a rifle)
<img src='http://www.remington.com/images/firearms/mn_870.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Trev my man, if only I lived in the states. Last time I was down to Georgia I got to fool around with the Rifleman, made my Yugo green with envy.
You cant hunt with an automatic weapon in the first place... <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
An AR-15 for all intents and purposes is an M-16. Here's the "Rifleman" that Cavalry Arms is selling, 20' barrel. <img src='http://www.cavalryarms.com/rifleman.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
And Quan, are they actual GI issue Thompsons or repros?
EDIT: And Fatal, 3 rnd. burst counts as a "Class 3" weapon in the states, same restrictions as rock n' roll. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Their "real and were used in WW2" as the seller was saying.
although im english, i have experience with a fair few firearms.. i would say an m9, they are comfy. smooth. the kick is easy. basically. ther is no great ups about the gun, medium kinda power, that kind of thing but there is no downs either, when you squeeze the trigger, she will fire.
thats all i have to say <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
You cant hunt with an automatic weapon in the first place... <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
An AR-15 for all intents and purposes is an M-16. Here's the "Rifleman" that Cavalry Arms is selling, 20' barrel. <img src='http://www.cavalryarms.com/rifleman.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
And Quan, are they actual GI issue Thompsons or repros?
EDIT: And Fatal, 3 rnd. burst counts as a "Class 3" weapon in the states, same restrictions as rock n' roll. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Their "real and were used in WW2" as the seller was saying. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
See that's suspect. Was this a reputable joint? Was he a Class 3 dealer or were they tampered? I'm finding it hard to believe that he was selling auth Tommies, especially issueds.
although im english, i have experience with a fair few firearms.. i would say an m9, they are comfy. smooth. the kick is easy. basically. ther is no great ups about the gun, medium kinda power, that kind of thing but there is no downs either, when you squeeze the trigger, she will fire.
thats all i have to say <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Im a Canuck, I just envy Yank freedoms.
Someone's been playing a little too much DoD or BF1942...
What do you want to start off with? Pistol or Rifle?
The best advice would be with a .22 lr pistol or rifle and move from there.
For anything else, there is the magic world or surplus or new production. I personally like surplus, it has more of a soul and is tried and true with great value!
I love my Yugo M-48, Bulgarian Makarov, Romanian SAR-1, and M-44 Mosin Nagant. YEs, I do enjoy East-Bloc/Commie weapons for the safe of high quality with low cost and great reputation of the 'weapon of my enemy' feel. Let alone the ammo is so cheap you can order online saving hundreds of bucks for more fun things!
I order ammo by the thousand rounds for sake of cheapness in bulk and easy storage in those old .50 cal ammo boxes that are water proof and stack nice.
For rifles, there is manual and auto-loading. You got your bolt-actions, lever actions, pump, and break-opens. For autoloadings you have magazine fed (either with real magazines or stripper-clips, like an SKS) or even into the fun world of full-auto with the right amount of time, money, and paper work.
OH! EDIT! Make sure you can get ammo for your new firearm. It would be a biotcho to get a nice $80 Nagant revolver to find out the ammo is close to 50 cents a shot! HA! Or a nice 6.5mm Italian Manlincher-Carcano and ammo is 2 bucks a shot!
The exit wound man!
You have soft tissue being torn by
bullet
Bit of bone
chunks of flesh
strips of bacon/muscle
and other sinew
plus clothing and possible armor
Edit: Bullet, it's just not happening. If .50 AE is leaving a hole the size of a bowling ball, how big a hole does 7.62x 39 leave? Just tears you in half? Your typing fiction man. Im not denying exit holes are bigger, but your being very dramatic.
After all, a 1911 Colt 45 Auto WILL put you down so long as it hits your upper body. I don't care where.