LikuI, am the Somberlain.Join Date: 2003-01-10Member: 12128Members
<!--QuoteBegin-Nemesis Zero+Jun 25 2005, 07:12 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Jun 25 2005, 07:12 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> As usual, <a href='http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php?date=2005-05-23&res=l' target='_blank'>PA says it best</a>. OK, so the tech demos they showed were run on weaker machines. Keep in mind that the pictures we oggled over (Killzone 2, anyone?) were pre-rendered. According to Sony, pre-rendered to fit the eventual PS3 stats, but still, pre-rendered. So, sorry, but this is not going to excite me. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Agreed.
XBox360 has great power. Revolution has great games. PS3 has pre-rendered cutscenes baby.
<!--QuoteBegin-Rapier7+Jun 25 2005, 06:30 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Rapier7 @ Jun 25 2005, 06:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Nemesis Zero, that's a bit misleading. Microsoft sold their consoles at a loss in hopes of making it up in software sales. The PS2 was sold on an extremely slim profit margin, but they made it up in software as well. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> True, but largely insignificant for the argument: Both companies have user bases in the tens of millions. They are both in a situation comparable to Nintendo during the SNES era: Even if only half of their audience liked the console, and only half of <i>that</i> group was willing to buy a new one, they'd still have a user base big enough to create a sufficient market for software on the next console. They're more or less doomed to moderate success - look at the by all accounts inferior N64 and its sales compared to the early PS1 (not to mention the Dreamcast).
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->And please, don't talk about stuff you don't understand<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> But... But... But... This is the <i>Internet</i>!
(Oh, and just as a note, I'm as of yet completely undecided about which console to buy. I'll wait for the actual software to roll out into the demo stands, thank you.)
<!--QuoteBegin-Nemesis Zero+Jun 25 2005, 01:43 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Jun 25 2005, 01:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> (Oh, and just as a note, I'm as of yet completely undecided about which console to buy. I'll wait for the actual software to roll out into the demo stands, thank you.) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Upgrade your PC.
LikuI, am the Somberlain.Join Date: 2003-01-10Member: 12128Members
<!--QuoteBegin-TommyVercetti+Jun 25 2005, 01:37 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TommyVercetti @ Jun 25 2005, 01:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Nemesis Zero+Jun 25 2005, 01:43 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Jun 25 2005, 01:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> (Oh, and just as a note, I'm as of yet completely undecided about which console to buy. I'll wait for the actual software to roll out into the demo stands, thank you.) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Upgrade your PC. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Because we all know PC has the best games, right?
<!--QuoteBegin-TommyVercetti+Jun 25 2005, 08:37 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TommyVercetti @ Jun 25 2005, 08:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Nemesis Zero+Jun 25 2005, 01:43 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Jun 25 2005, 01:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> (Oh, and just as a note, I'm as of yet completely undecided about which console to buy. I'll wait for the actual software to roll out into the demo stands, thank you.) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Upgrade your PC. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> There is no law prohibiting me from owning a good PC and a console.
<!--QuoteBegin-Nemmy zer0!1+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemmy zer0!1)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> (Oh, and just as a note, I'm as of yet completely undecided about which console to buy. I'll wait for the actual software to roll out into the demo stands, thank you.) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
God, I love you, nem0. Not like the damn blind fanboyism BS I have to deal with at GFAQs.
<!--QuoteBegin-Nemesis Zero+Jun 25 2005, 01:43 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Jun 25 2005, 01:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> (Oh, and just as a note, I'm as of yet completely undecided about which console to buy. I'll wait for the actual software to roll out into the demo stands, thank you.) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Im most liekly going to go this route aswell but I am leaning more towards revolution becouse of the back log of clasics which I missed
Alcapwn"War is the science of destruction" - John AbbotJoin Date: 2003-06-21Member: 17590Members
Im looking foward to both the 360 and ps3, but will probably buy the ps3, for these reasons:
Socom 4 Devil May Cry 4 New Killzone MGS4 I-8
And the backwards comaptibility with all of my games.
In the end, it all comes down to the games, and looking at Xbox360's lineup, im not impressed at all. I think it will be a close race this time, but the ps3 will again win. The sales of lots of strong games can trumph over the mega-hits of a few. (Which is what happened with the ps2 and xbox).
PulseTo create, to create and escape.Join Date: 2002-08-29Member: 1248Members, Constellation
<!--QuoteBegin-Fatal Error+Jun 25 2005, 02:13 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Fatal Error @ Jun 25 2005, 02:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Nemmy zer0!1+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemmy zer0!1)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> (Oh, and just as a note, I'm as of yet completely undecided about which console to buy. I'll wait for the actual software to roll out into the demo stands, thank you.) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
God, I love you, nem0. Not like the damn blind fanboyism BS I <b>normally</b> have to deal with at the <b>NS forums</b>. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Fixed
<!--QuoteBegin-Quaunaut+Jun 25 2005, 09:09 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Quaunaut @ Jun 25 2005, 09:09 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-TommyVercetti+Jun 25 2005, 07:05 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TommyVercetti @ Jun 25 2005, 07:05 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> My computer is better than that. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Um...no its not.
When they say "2.4 ghz", thats 8 2.4ghz processors together. 64 bit ones, no less. No, your computer can't beat it.
ESPECIALLY if it had the 7800 in there. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Theres no way its better than a PC and 4 times cheaper (I wont be getting any next gen consoles unless theyre 300 or less anyway)
Pulse, check the GFAQs boards and you'll realize just how tame we are <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> (And I really like GFAQs. God knows they saved me from a nervous breakdown or two.)
<!--QuoteBegin-Nemesis Zero+Jun 25 2005, 05:33 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Jun 25 2005, 05:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Pulse, check the GFAQs boards and you'll realize just how tame we are <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> (And I really like GFAQs. God knows they saved me from a nervous breakdown or two.) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> I'm going to apply for a moderator position when they open.
<!--QuoteBegin-CWAG+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CWAG)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Theres no way its better than a PC and 4 times cheaper (I wont be getting any next gen consoles unless theyre 300 or less anyway) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Market analysts are predicting Xbox360s (oh god, i hate that name) are starting at $349. When the PS3 comes out, the technology will be cheaper, and thus, the PS3 might be a little cheaper.
Pulse: <a href='http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=213' target='_blank'>The Haven of Evil Stemming from the Evil Bowels of GameFAQs</a>
PulseTo create, to create and escape.Join Date: 2002-08-29Member: 1248Members, Constellation
<!--QuoteBegin-Nemesis Zero+Jun 25 2005, 02:33 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Jun 25 2005, 02:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Pulse, check the GFAQs boards and you'll realize just how tame we are <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> (And I really like GFAQs. God knows they saved me from a nervous breakdown or two.s<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I've been there before (never actually posted). The situation there is much better than it is here - at least the idiotic fanboyism there is <i>varied</i>.
I suppose I shouldn't be expecting so much from the forums of a Half-Life mod, but it wasn't always like this... Whatever happened to the NS forums of yore? <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Xbox 360 has the best looking console this time around, Ps3 looks like a grill and is the worst looking, and Revolution looks like a modem.
Xbox 360, in my opinion, are getting the best games like supposibly Ps2 did this gen (even though I prefered Xboxs games). Ps3, I'm not intrested in the games one bit, Revolution not really except for SSB online.
Ps3 is trying to be the most powerful console like Xbox was this gen, Xbox is going to be as or almost as powerful and Revolution seems to be the weakest.
The tables have turned, so does this mean Xbox 360 will be in first place next-gen, Ps3 in second, Revolution is last? I think so.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->they rated Metroid Prime Hunter at E3 to be terrible.
"What would you call a portable version of Metroid Prime 2's craptacular deathmatch game"
quoted from their how was it paragraph.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->quoted from EGM: how was it?'
"But in those years out yearning has become deeper, and this simple rehash feels lacking"
what do you guys think?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's all I need. But let's get back on topic, no sense arguing how idiotic some fanboys are on GFAQs. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
KungFuSquirrelBasher of MuttonsJoin Date: 2002-01-26Member: 103Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
edited June 2005
Stop the haet!
I'll be getting all 3 consoles, and damn well enjoying each one. My beef is with Sony's shifty marketing/hype machine mojo, not the system nor the games it'll eventually have.
Right off the bat, they've got Insomniac and Naughty Dog on their side. From the get-go, the games from these companies alone (Jak and Ratchet trilogies) were enough to make me cave in and get a PS2. Insomniac branching out with I-8 also looks like a must-have already, some sort of bastard child of Call of Duty and Half-Life 2 (alien-wise, at least <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> ).
Microsoft has the most pure sex/bliss controller on the face of the planet, if I must say so myself, and will be a joy to play. Halo 3 will eventually be huge, and let's face it, we all gotta tune in to see how it ends. Gears of War - tactical third person sci-fi shooter + supposed seamless online and split-screen co-op? Sign me up! There's going to also be some good PC ports/versions of games on here that'll still be fun for the possibility of split-screen gaming and the like. Oh yeah. Bioware. I rest my case.
Of course, I also have to buy one because my first title is also shipping on it <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Then there's Nintendo. There's still some uncertainty as to what they'll do this time around, but we do know this: Backwards compatibility. This is a hugely awesome thing for people to catch up on their nintendo lore - something I admittedly need to do; I came on late a little over a year ago. Their first party games also have a habit of being pretty cool, and they're talking a lot of things that I really dig.
Then there'll be the years afterwards when titles get better and better and more streamlined within the limitations of the new hardware. PCs will take a dominating hardware hold once again after a year or two (maybe less), and then we'll get right back to the status quo we're at now - tons of games for all platforms, many of them fecal matter, but many of them good fun for all. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> Whee!
PulseTo create, to create and escape.Join Date: 2002-08-29Member: 1248Members, Constellation
<!--QuoteBegin-Fatal Error+Jun 25 2005, 03:20 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Fatal Error @ Jun 25 2005, 03:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Alright, lets take a few posts from NGG.
[snip]
That's all I need. But let's get back on topic, no sense arguing how idiotic some fanboys are on GFAQs. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I don't get it. Is that supposed to be an example of fanboyism? Because it compares very favorably to what we get here. I'm also unsure as to what "NGG" stands for.
Next-Gen Gaming. Actually, I can't really find anything bad right now. But boy, the mods really cracked down on that board hard. It was basically topics going "ZOMG WTH XB)X SUX ALL U GUYZ SUX GAMECUBE HAS TEH ZELD4! LOL OMG!"
LikuI, am the Somberlain.Join Date: 2003-01-10Member: 12128Members
<!--QuoteBegin-moultano+Jun 25 2005, 03:50 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (moultano @ Jun 25 2005, 03:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> So it takes 75% of the ps3's power to play an mpeg?
/rimshot! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Hahaha, but that's more of a money shot on Sony's face.
<!--QuoteBegin-KungFuSquirrel+Jun 25 2005, 05:42 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (KungFuSquirrel @ Jun 25 2005, 05:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Stop the haet!
I'll be getting all 3 consoles, and damn well enjoying each one. My beef is with Sony's shifty marketing/hype machine mojo, not the system nor the games it'll eventually have.
Right off the bat, they've got Insomniac and Naughty Dog on their side. From the get-go, the games from these companies alone (Jak and Ratchet trilogies) were enough to make me cave in and get a PS2. Insomniac branching out with I-8 also looks like a must-have already, some sort of bastard child of Call of Duty and Half-Life 2 (alien-wise, at least :) ).
Microsoft has the most pure sex/bliss controller on the face of the planet, if I must say so myself, and will be a joy to play. Halo 3 will eventually be huge, and let's face it, we all gotta tune in to see how it ends. Gears of War - tactical third person sci-fi shooter + supposed seamless online and split-screen co-op? Sign me up! There's going to also be some good PC ports/versions of games on here that'll still be fun for the possibility of split-screen gaming and the like. Oh yeah. Bioware. I rest my case.
Of course, I also have to buy one because my first title is also shipping on it :p
Then there's Nintendo. There's still some uncertainty as to what they'll do this time around, but we do know this: Backwards compatibility. This is a hugely awesome thing for people to catch up on their nintendo lore - something I admittedly need to do; I came on late a little over a year ago. Their first party games also have a habit of being pretty cool, and they're talking a lot of things that I really dig.
Then there'll be the years afterwards when titles get better and better and more streamlined within the limitations of the new hardware. PCs will take a dominating hardware hold once again after a year or two (maybe less), and then we'll get right back to the status quo we're at now - tons of games for all platforms, many of them fecal matter, but many of them good fun for all. :) Whee!<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Well, I'll stick with PC. The only console series I care about is GTA, and Rockstar has been really great about porting to the PC with unlimited draw distance and hi-res textures (albeit after 6 months). Halo was awesome, and used to be my favorite console game, but Bungie has clearly demonstrated they know how to ruin a concept with Halo 2 (probably with a little help from Microsoft, which needs Halo 3 for 360). If I play Halo 3 at all, it will be at a friend's house. The only Nintendo series I really enjoy are Mario Kart and Metroid, but since Kart gets boring fast and they're not developing any more 2D Metroids (unless they do something for mobile phones, which is unlikely), I have no reason to buy any Nintendo stuff for the forseeable future.
Also, the combined cost of all those consoles and their accessories and games is going to bankrupt you, unless you're a rich white kid. Meanwhile, I will be bankrupting myself trying to build a computer that will run Unreal 4 engine maxed out. :p
The only reason I would buy a console is if I was poor, but I guess you guys like most of their games. So, don't take this the wrong way, I'm not calling all console games stupid and the consoles weak, I'm just giving my personal reasons for not wanting any of the "next-gen" boxes.
<!--QuoteBegin-Pulse+Jun 25 2005, 07:29 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Pulse @ Jun 25 2005, 07:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> MORE LIKE CELDA M I RITE? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> So...pulse, you say you've gone to GameFAQs before. Have you ever witnessed the awesomeness of LUE?
I'm virtually undecided on this one so far on which console to buy. However to be fair to the PS3 is the 360 and friends not closer to completion than it? Being that its (supposidly) being released a year later. I would honostly like to see the next E3, <i>then</i> judge the consoles. Right now its far too early to have any fair say in which is better yet.
KungFuSquirrelBasher of MuttonsJoin Date: 2002-01-26Member: 103Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
<!--QuoteBegin-Fatal Error+Jun 25 2005, 08:27 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Fatal Error @ Jun 25 2005, 08:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Sony should release the PS3 on the exact day Halo 3 comes out. Microsoft will be dead in the water. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Microsoft has already announced they're timing the Halo 3 release to coincide with the PS3's rumored release. And I dunno if you saw the ridiculous hype or dollars that cycled through the halo 2 launch... But 'dead in the water' is hardly an appropriate phrase. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Of course, both will do superbly well at retail and kutaragi will make some bold unsubstantiated claim... and well, we'll be right back where we started. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
you know, people say the cell has so many processors in it, and they're right, but they don't know the nature of those processors and the memory architecture as to how they're set up.
the vast majority of those processors are small stream processors directly hooked up to their own very small memory, they can't share that memory directly. Now this is still an amazing chip, but it requires better programming and a proper understanding of its workings to take advantage of it. It's like sticking a whole bunch of programmable graphics chips right next to the primary core.
So before you go around toting it has 8 p4s in one chip, think again.
One more thing, the pipeline for the primary core is HUGE! This means that the clock speed will be high (don't be fooled by clock speed), but that if there is a branch misprediction (common) that the branch fault penalty will be that much higher.
QuaunautThe longest seven days in history...Join Date: 2003-03-21Member: 14759Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
<!--QuoteBegin-KungFuSquirrel+Jun 25 2005, 09:52 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (KungFuSquirrel @ Jun 25 2005, 09:52 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Quaunaut+Jun 25 2005, 11:45 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Quaunaut @ Jun 25 2005, 11:45 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-TommyVercetti+Jun 25 2005, 09:28 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TommyVercetti @ Jun 25 2005, 09:28 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-VolKOV+Jun 25 2005, 11:27 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (VolKOV @ Jun 25 2005, 11:27 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The PS3 is going to be released nearly a full year after the XBox360. XBox 360 = Ownt <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> But isn't that the same thing that gave the PS2 such a landslide advantage over its competitors last time? Unless Microsoft gets stuck in a Dreamcast scenario, which is impossible seeing as how everyone without a PC is addicted to Halo 2 on Xbox Live. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> hahahahahahahaha
Right. Thats why GTA:SA was the top selling game of last year, right? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> No, it was the top-selling game because it was the <i>third</i> in a franchise of massive popularity on a system with over <i>80 million</i> installed users worldwide. The Xbox may be a superior system, but it's only built off a market share of about 15-20 million at most. That's another big reason Microsoft openly admits Sony will 'win' this round regardless - they only hope to narrow the gap.
Also of note that I forgot before: Silicon Knights' supposed "we're PS3 exclusive now, look at all the uber-awesome stuff we can do with this incredible platform" apparently came at the cost of $15 million in payment from Sony to go exclusive. You'd be hard-pressed to find <i>any</i> studio, independent or otherwise, that wouldn't jump all over that regardless of the platform. I'd go back to making HL mods for $15 mil. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> My point, KFS, is that no matter how you look at it, if we wanna look at who is really playing what who doesn't own a nice PC, they are <b>not</b> playing Halo 2. Period.
Also: While the Cell processor may not be as powerful as they make it out, you all must admit, it will be <b>the</b> most powerful chip to come around in a long time, leading by leaps and bounds, and will absolutely demolish the 360, and the fact that even the GPU it has beats out the 360s.
Also, what is this list of games you're all eagerly waiting for when it comes to the 360 and Revolution? From what I saw, maybe 2 titles are looking good for XB360, and only one title has barely been announced for the Rev as far as I know. PS3 though? At least a dozen that show how I want it to turn out. Bungie hasn't even really said that Halo 3 is their primary deal right now, nor have they shown anything on it: A vast majority of the team(and MS reps) were saying that they wanted to try something else, and I was hearing heavy rumors of a Marathon series sequel.
Maybe I'm going in the wrong direction with all of this, but frankly, this is the BIGGEST time for a Monopoly, Nem0. PS3, if it can pull off online with a great network comparable to Live, will dominate the field, with nothing in it's way whatsoever.
Also, as a small sidenote question: Will rare games be available on the Revolution? Say, could I download(for a price, of course) Chrono Trigger, or Final Fantasy 2/4, or any of those games that are considered "Not so common"? Cause that would absolutely force me to stay with that console.
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OK, so the tech demos they showed were run on weaker machines. Keep in mind that the pictures we oggled over (Killzone 2, anyone?) were pre-rendered. According to Sony, pre-rendered to fit the eventual PS3 stats, but still, pre-rendered. So, sorry, but this is not going to excite me. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Agreed.
XBox360 has great power.
Revolution has great games.
PS3 has pre-rendered cutscenes baby.
True, but largely insignificant for the argument:
Both companies have user bases in the tens of millions. They are both in a situation comparable to Nintendo during the SNES era: Even if only half of their audience liked the console, and only half of <i>that</i> group was willing to buy a new one, they'd still have a user base big enough to create a sufficient market for software on the next console. They're more or less doomed to moderate success - look at the by all accounts inferior N64 and its sales compared to the early PS1 (not to mention the Dreamcast).
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But... But... But... This is the <i>Internet</i>!
(Oh, and just as a note, I'm as of yet completely undecided about which console to buy. I'll wait for the actual software to roll out into the demo stands, thank you.)
Upgrade your PC.
Upgrade your PC. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Because we all know PC has the best games, right?
Upgrade your PC. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
There is no law prohibiting me from owning a good PC and a console.
(Oh, and just as a note, I'm as of yet completely undecided about which console to buy. I'll wait for the actual software to roll out into the demo stands, thank you.)
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God, I love you, nem0. Not like the damn blind fanboyism BS I have to deal with at GFAQs.
Im most liekly going to go this route aswell but I am leaning more towards revolution becouse of the back log of clasics which I missed
Socom 4
Devil May Cry 4
New Killzone
MGS4
I-8
And the backwards comaptibility with all of my games.
In the end, it all comes down to the games, and looking at Xbox360's lineup, im not impressed at all. I think it will be a close race this time, but the ps3 will again win. The sales of lots of strong games can trumph over the mega-hits of a few. (Which is what happened with the ps2 and xbox).
(Oh, and just as a note, I'm as of yet completely undecided about which console to buy. I'll wait for the actual software to roll out into the demo stands, thank you.)
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God, I love you, nem0. Not like the damn blind fanboyism BS I <b>normally</b> have to deal with at the <b>NS forums</b>. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Fixed
Um...no its not.
When they say "2.4 ghz", thats 8 2.4ghz processors together. 64 bit ones, no less. No, your computer can't beat it.
ESPECIALLY if it had the 7800 in there. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Theres no way its better than a PC and 4 times cheaper (I wont be getting any next gen consoles unless theyre 300 or less anyway)
(And I really like GFAQs. God knows they saved me from a nervous breakdown or two.)
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I'm going to apply for a moderator position when they open.
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Theres no way its better than a PC and 4 times cheaper (I wont be getting any next gen consoles unless theyre 300 or less anyway)
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Market analysts are predicting Xbox360s (oh god, i hate that name) are starting at $349. When the PS3 comes out, the technology will be cheaper, and thus, the PS3 might be a little cheaper.
Pulse: <a href='http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=213' target='_blank'>The Haven of Evil Stemming from the Evil Bowels of GameFAQs</a>
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I've been there before (never actually posted). The situation there is much better than it is here - at least the idiotic fanboyism there is <i>varied</i>.
I suppose I shouldn't be expecting so much from the forums of a Half-Life mod, but it wasn't always like this... Whatever happened to the NS forums of yore? <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Xbox 360 has the best looking console this time around, Ps3 looks like a grill and is the worst looking, and Revolution looks like a modem.
Xbox 360, in my opinion, are getting the best games like supposibly Ps2 did this gen (even though I prefered Xboxs games). Ps3, I'm not intrested in the games one bit, Revolution not really except for SSB online.
Ps3 is trying to be the most powerful console like Xbox was this gen, Xbox is going to be as or almost as powerful and Revolution seems to be the weakest.
The tables have turned, so does this mean Xbox 360 will be in first place next-gen, Ps3 in second, Revolution is last? I think so.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->they rated Metroid Prime Hunter at E3 to be terrible.
"What would you call a portable version of Metroid Prime 2's craptacular deathmatch game"
quoted from their how was it paragraph.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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"But in those years out yearning has become deeper, and this simple rehash feels lacking"
what do you guys think?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's all I need. But let's get back on topic, no sense arguing how idiotic some fanboys are on GFAQs. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I'll be getting all 3 consoles, and damn well enjoying each one. My beef is with Sony's shifty marketing/hype machine mojo, not the system nor the games it'll eventually have.
Right off the bat, they've got Insomniac and Naughty Dog on their side. From the get-go, the games from these companies alone (Jak and Ratchet trilogies) were enough to make me cave in and get a PS2. Insomniac branching out with I-8 also looks like a must-have already, some sort of bastard child of Call of Duty and Half-Life 2 (alien-wise, at least <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> ).
Microsoft has the most pure sex/bliss controller on the face of the planet, if I must say so myself, and will be a joy to play. Halo 3 will eventually be huge, and let's face it, we all gotta tune in to see how it ends. Gears of War - tactical third person sci-fi shooter + supposed seamless online and split-screen co-op? Sign me up! There's going to also be some good PC ports/versions of games on here that'll still be fun for the possibility of split-screen gaming and the like. Oh yeah. Bioware. I rest my case.
Of course, I also have to buy one because my first title is also shipping on it <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Then there's Nintendo. There's still some uncertainty as to what they'll do this time around, but we do know this: Backwards compatibility. This is a hugely awesome thing for people to catch up on their nintendo lore - something I admittedly need to do; I came on late a little over a year ago. Their first party games also have a habit of being pretty cool, and they're talking a lot of things that I really dig.
Then there'll be the years afterwards when titles get better and better and more streamlined within the limitations of the new hardware. PCs will take a dominating hardware hold once again after a year or two (maybe less), and then we'll get right back to the status quo we're at now - tons of games for all platforms, many of them fecal matter, but many of them good fun for all. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> Whee!
/rimshot! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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That's all I need. But let's get back on topic, no sense arguing how idiotic some fanboys are on GFAQs. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I don't get it. Is that supposed to be an example of fanboyism? Because it compares very favorably to what we get here. I'm also unsure as to what "NGG" stands for.
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Hahaha, but that's more of a money shot on Sony's face.
I'll be getting all 3 consoles, and damn well enjoying each one. My beef is with Sony's shifty marketing/hype machine mojo, not the system nor the games it'll eventually have.
Right off the bat, they've got Insomniac and Naughty Dog on their side. From the get-go, the games from these companies alone (Jak and Ratchet trilogies) were enough to make me cave in and get a PS2. Insomniac branching out with I-8 also looks like a must-have already, some sort of bastard child of Call of Duty and Half-Life 2 (alien-wise, at least :) ).
Microsoft has the most pure sex/bliss controller on the face of the planet, if I must say so myself, and will be a joy to play. Halo 3 will eventually be huge, and let's face it, we all gotta tune in to see how it ends. Gears of War - tactical third person sci-fi shooter + supposed seamless online and split-screen co-op? Sign me up! There's going to also be some good PC ports/versions of games on here that'll still be fun for the possibility of split-screen gaming and the like. Oh yeah. Bioware. I rest my case.
Of course, I also have to buy one because my first title is also shipping on it :p
Then there's Nintendo. There's still some uncertainty as to what they'll do this time around, but we do know this: Backwards compatibility. This is a hugely awesome thing for people to catch up on their nintendo lore - something I admittedly need to do; I came on late a little over a year ago. Their first party games also have a habit of being pretty cool, and they're talking a lot of things that I really dig.
Then there'll be the years afterwards when titles get better and better and more streamlined within the limitations of the new hardware. PCs will take a dominating hardware hold once again after a year or two (maybe less), and then we'll get right back to the status quo we're at now - tons of games for all platforms, many of them fecal matter, but many of them good fun for all. :) Whee!<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well, I'll stick with PC. The only console series I care about is GTA, and Rockstar has been really great about porting to the PC with unlimited draw distance and hi-res textures (albeit after 6 months). Halo was awesome, and used to be my favorite console game, but Bungie has clearly demonstrated they know how to ruin a concept with Halo 2 (probably with a little help from Microsoft, which needs Halo 3 for 360). If I play Halo 3 at all, it will be at a friend's house. The only Nintendo series I really enjoy are Mario Kart and Metroid, but since Kart gets boring fast and they're not developing any more 2D Metroids (unless they do something for mobile phones, which is unlikely), I have no reason to buy any Nintendo stuff for the forseeable future.
Also, the combined cost of all those consoles and their accessories and games is going to bankrupt you, unless you're a rich white kid. Meanwhile, I will be bankrupting myself trying to build a computer that will run Unreal 4 engine maxed out. :p
The only reason I would buy a console is if I was poor, but I guess you guys like most of their games. So, don't take this the wrong way, I'm not calling all console games stupid and the consoles weak, I'm just giving my personal reasons for not wanting any of the "next-gen" boxes.
Low blow...
So...pulse, you say you've gone to GameFAQs before. Have you ever witnessed the awesomeness of LUE?
Microsoft has already announced they're timing the Halo 3 release to coincide with the PS3's rumored release. And I dunno if you saw the ridiculous hype or dollars that cycled through the halo 2 launch... But 'dead in the water' is hardly an appropriate phrase. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Of course, both will do superbly well at retail and kutaragi will make some bold unsubstantiated claim... and well, we'll be right back where we started. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
the vast majority of those processors are small stream processors directly hooked up to their own very small memory, they can't share that memory directly. Now this is still an amazing chip, but it requires better programming and a proper understanding of its workings to take advantage of it. It's like sticking a whole bunch of programmable graphics chips right next to the primary core.
So before you go around toting it has 8 p4s in one chip, think again.
One more thing, the pipeline for the primary core is HUGE!
This means that the clock speed will be high (don't be fooled by clock speed), but that if there is a branch misprediction (common) that the branch fault penalty will be that much higher.
But isn't that the same thing that gave the PS2 such a landslide advantage over its competitors last time? Unless Microsoft gets stuck in a Dreamcast scenario, which is impossible seeing as how everyone without a PC is addicted to Halo 2 on Xbox Live. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
hahahahahahahaha
Right. Thats why GTA:SA was the top selling game of last year, right? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No, it was the top-selling game because it was the <i>third</i> in a franchise of massive popularity on a system with over <i>80 million</i> installed users worldwide. The Xbox may be a superior system, but it's only built off a market share of about 15-20 million at most. That's another big reason Microsoft openly admits Sony will 'win' this round regardless - they only hope to narrow the gap.
Also of note that I forgot before: Silicon Knights' supposed "we're PS3 exclusive now, look at all the uber-awesome stuff we can do with this incredible platform" apparently came at the cost of $15 million in payment from Sony to go exclusive. You'd be hard-pressed to find <i>any</i> studio, independent or otherwise, that wouldn't jump all over that regardless of the platform. I'd go back to making HL mods for $15 mil. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
My point, KFS, is that no matter how you look at it, if we wanna look at who is really playing what who doesn't own a nice PC, they are <b>not</b> playing Halo 2. Period.
Also: While the Cell processor may not be as powerful as they make it out, you all must admit, it will be <b>the</b> most powerful chip to come around in a long time, leading by leaps and bounds, and will absolutely demolish the 360, and the fact that even the GPU it has beats out the 360s.
Also, what is this list of games you're all eagerly waiting for when it comes to the 360 and Revolution? From what I saw, maybe 2 titles are looking good for XB360, and only one title has barely been announced for the Rev as far as I know. PS3 though? At least a dozen that show how I want it to turn out. Bungie hasn't even really said that Halo 3 is their primary deal right now, nor have they shown anything on it: A vast majority of the team(and MS reps) were saying that they wanted to try something else, and I was hearing heavy rumors of a Marathon series sequel.
Maybe I'm going in the wrong direction with all of this, but frankly, this is the BIGGEST time for a Monopoly, Nem0. PS3, if it can pull off online with a great network comparable to Live, will dominate the field, with nothing in it's way whatsoever.
Also, as a small sidenote question: Will rare games be available on the Revolution? Say, could I download(for a price, of course) Chrono Trigger, or Final Fantasy 2/4, or any of those games that are considered "Not so common"? Cause that would absolutely force me to stay with that console.