Fade are good but they are only good to waste marein cash fades kill rt electrified they are good taken out lonely marines but they are strongest unit the squad when 3rd hive goes up make the finally attack easier if u have 3 fade 2 onos and a lerk easy win acid rocket them to death onos charge in lerk umbra the end seen it work too many times to count now since im the fade or lerk. <!--emo&::onos::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tiny.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tiny.gif'><!--endemo--> +<!--emo&::lerk::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/lerk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='lerk.gif'><!--endemo--> +<!--emo&::fade::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/fade.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='fade.gif'><!--endemo--> = WIN
<!--QuoteBegin--Sudzz+Aug 23 2003, 07:36 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sudzz @ Aug 23 2003, 07:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Yes, I am. I find it really hard to aim with a dot that I can barely see. And my horrible intergrated video card doesnt have OpenGL. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I feel your pain. I have an onboard intel card too <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->.
I'm hoping I'll be able to disable ALL dynamic lights in 2.1.
All I want to say about Fades: Where the hell is the NS team? They have not commented on them at all. There has been some good fade arguments, and everyone agrees that the 2.0 fade is not as tough as the 1.04 fade.
coilAmateur pirate. Professional monkey. All pance.Join Date: 2002-04-12Member: 424Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
edited August 2003
<span style='color:white'>THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT FADES.</span>
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->slightly reduced the power of aliens at hive 2<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> -- Tell me where that says Fades are getting nerfed. Wait, don't, because it doesn't, and this thread isn't about Fades.
<!--QuoteBegin--Soul-Spawn+Aug 24 2003, 07:09 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Soul-Spawn @ Aug 24 2003, 07:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Fade are good but they are only good to waste marein cash fades kill rt electrified they are good taken out lonely marines but they are strongest unit the squad when 3rd hive goes up make the finally attack easier if u have 3 fade 2 onos and a lerk easy win acid rocket them to death onos charge in lerk umbra the end seen it work too many times to count now since im the fade or lerk. <!--emo&::onos::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tiny.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tiny.gif'><!--endemo--> +<!--emo&::lerk::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/lerk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='lerk.gif'><!--endemo--> +<!--emo&::fade::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/fade.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='fade.gif'><!--endemo--> = WIN <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> yeah but in 2.0 u can have <!--emo&::onos::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tiny.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tiny.gif'><!--endemo--> x6 = WIN (depending on server)
u dont really see oni storming in a grp but when u do its all over in the blink of an eye. i bet if 6 oni charged ur base and u blinked the second they went through the doors u would be in the rdy room.
ByekaName changed from Freak83TorontoJoin Date: 2003-03-13Member: 14484Members, Constellation
Ha ha 1 or 2 new NS maps, I just find that funny cause I still haven't learned the 4 new ones that came with 2.0... Not that I'm complaining or anything, I've just started playing W3 and haven't been doing NS that much anymore. I feel ashamed.
<!--QuoteBegin--Sudzz+Aug 23 2003, 07:36 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sudzz @ Aug 23 2003, 07:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--Monkeybonk+Aug 23 2003, 07:31 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Monkeybonk @ Aug 23 2003, 07:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Sudzz+Aug 23 2003, 04:11 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sudzz @ Aug 23 2003, 04:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> No d3d crosshair patch yet.. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I have X-Hairs in D3D.
Or are you talking about how my LMG X-Hair is ONE PIXEL so I can barely see it? Are they supposed to be prettier? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yes, I am. I find it really hard to aim with a dot that I can barely see. And my horrible intergrated video card doesnt have OpenGL.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Unfortunately this crosshair problem is caused by an unfixable bug in HL.
I'd recommend trying out some of the custom crosshairs people have released until we have a solution.
<!--QuoteBegin--ViolenceJack+Aug 24 2003, 12:50 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ViolenceJack @ Aug 24 2003, 12:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> "no, fade is messed. i sort of agree with monkeybonk like i said ages ago when arguments about the fade were going round more. like ppl say he is the best hit n run unit, sorry but i think onos is better. nothing hurts more than devouring some one and kill lots of other men and if all gets abit bad u run. " <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> That's not hit and run. That's assault. If that were hit and run, what would be the alternative? Hit and stay? Hit and stay and pwn the entire marine team and base, thereby winning the game singlehandedly? How about hit and die? Therefore, your onos is assaulting and not hitting and running. The only hit and run onos is a redemp onos, generally a wasted onos.
<!--QuoteBegin--ViolenceJack+Aug 24 2003, 12:50 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ViolenceJack @ Aug 24 2003, 12:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> "one silly thing with fade is regen is still the best dc skill imo, " <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> regen does work well however IF those shotgun blasts land you are still dead very quickly. Therefore I suggest impressive dodging abilities coupled with a willingness to run and an ability to know when to run. Then, you can meta safely.. again I suggest adren redemp for this, adren for enough energy to run and keep running if you need to, then to meta until you're healed. Redemp *may* save you in time when you're that low in hp; regen will not, you will have to escape yourself, or die in the next few seconds. Remember a redemp fade is not wasted like a redemp onos; he can heal himself in various ways very quickly, then get back to the frontlines very quickly. Onos benefits enormously from regen or cara, as opposed to fade. Compare with skulk as well.
<!--QuoteBegin--ViolenceJack+Aug 24 2003, 12:50 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ViolenceJack @ Aug 24 2003, 12:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->"if u got lvl3 weapons a fade aint too hard, i have killed 2 fades within 3 secs with lvl0 lmg. well actualy it happened where i killed one with lmg and another chased me and got beaten up from turrets and i pistoled it and then 1 knife strike took it down. " <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> They would have died anyway. You just happened to get the last shot. He's not a tank, and turrets happen to have aimbot now. Y did you expect a fade to be as hard to kill as an onos?
<!--QuoteBegin--ViolenceJack+Aug 24 2003, 12:50 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ViolenceJack @ Aug 24 2003, 12:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->"id love to see a fade in a clan match, i would love to see marines with full teamwork they all got nice weapons and a fade blinks in they all let off there shottys and fade is creamed all over the wall. i would love too see that. " <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> You can <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> I forget what clan it was, might have been Evil, where their fade, who shall remain unnamed, unfortunately blinked into a group of marines and died instantly <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Now, you can say that omg that fade died to marines he's useless, but the fact is skulks, lerks, gorges, onos all die to groups of marines. What's that you say? Where's that uber skulk who pwnt a group by himself? Where's the onos who trampled that marine squad?
Exactly. So good faders will regularly own entire squads all the time. Of COURSE they will die sometimes. So does everyone else, even the worshipped onos.
<!--QuoteBegin--ViolenceJack+Aug 24 2003, 12:50 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ViolenceJack @ Aug 24 2003, 12:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->"plus there is a bug with blink, its the name. it should be called run." <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> A stupid name. And a stupid person it is who uses blink only for running.
The fade is good at killing. The point boils down to: Is it worth 50 res? Hell no, it isn't. The aliens have no midgame fighter. Fades are good at earlygame... that's it. Midgame is level 1.5 weapons/armor, maybe a few HMGs. A fade at that point doesn't stand a snowballs chance in hell.
Anyway, Coil is giving this thread the evil eye... so back on topic <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--Jabba The Hunt+Aug 24 2003, 11:57 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Jabba The Hunt @ Aug 24 2003, 11:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> As for the fade, I think its useful with adren, sens, and regen (regen is far better than redemp, believe me you will get enough kills before you die to get urself another fade, well aslong as ur careful, and dont ignore damage. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Jabba, use meta to heal, especially with adren. Use hud_fastswitch. Regen alone is too slow and will not save you when your hp instantly drops below 100 b/c of shotguns. Unless you mean that you combine regen with meta effectively, which if possible is interesting. Now, I can get the timing down, but I don't think it's worth it.
<!--QuoteBegin--elchinesetourist+Aug 24 2003, 09:39 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (elchinesetourist @ Aug 24 2003, 09:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Jabba The Hunt+Aug 24 2003, 11:57 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Jabba The Hunt @ Aug 24 2003, 11:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> As for the fade, I think its useful with adren, sens, and regen (regen is far better than redemp, believe me you will get enough kills before you die to get urself another fade, well aslong as ur careful, and dont ignore damage. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Jabba, use meta to heal, especially with adren. Use hud_fastswitch. Regen alone is too slow and will not save you when your hp instantly drops below 100 b/c of shotguns. Unless you mean that you combine regen with meta effectively. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Someone wrote up numbers of some sort, and regens heals you faster then metabolize, and not only that, but it doesn't drain a crapload of stamina, make a lot of noise, and it heals you all the time, not just when you're hiding in a corner.
<!--QuoteBegin--Monkeybonk+Aug 24 2003, 09:41 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Monkeybonk @ Aug 24 2003, 09:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--elchinesetourist+Aug 24 2003, 09:39 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (elchinesetourist @ Aug 24 2003, 09:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Jabba The Hunt+Aug 24 2003, 11:57 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Jabba The Hunt @ Aug 24 2003, 11:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> As for the fade, I think its useful with adren, sens, and regen (regen is far better than redemp, believe me you will get enough kills before you die to get urself another fade, well aslong as ur careful, and dont ignore damage. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Jabba, use meta to heal, especially with adren. Use hud_fastswitch. Regen alone is too slow and will not save you when your hp instantly drops below 100 b/c of shotguns. Unless you mean that you combine regen with meta effectively. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Someone wrote up numbers of some sort, and regens heals you faster then metabolize, and not only that, but it doesn't drain a crapload of stamina, make a lot of noise, and it heals you all the time, not just when you're hiding in a corner. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Regen makes more noise than meta, and it makes that noise if you're hurt no matter what, even if you need to keep quiet.
It's a **** fade that's afraid to meta b/c of noise. You'd better be able to hear marines or else your sound is dead. Meta barely drains energy with adren.
Regen is only useful out of combat anyway; i.e. while you're "hiding" in a corner. Except that it makes the noise no matter what, even if you're hiding.
You shouldn't be afraid to drain energy when you don't need it. Sitting around with full energy = wasted energy.
Or are you talking about how my LMG X-Hair is ONE PIXEL so I can barely see it? Are they supposed to be prettier? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yes, I am. I find it really hard to aim with a dot that I can barely see. And my horrible intergrated video card doesnt have OpenGL.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Unfortunately this crosshair problem is caused by an unfixable bug in HL.
I'd recommend trying out some of the custom crosshairs people have released until we have a solution.
Max <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> The new crosshairs suck anyway in my opinion.... They block your view far too much, even if they are neat looking sprites. Once I installed 2.0, I *literally* played the game for less than a minute before I exited to view all the sprites and changed every single one back to my pretty blue 3x3 pixel dot that I used in 1.04. (and it looks nice as a marine 'cause it matches the blue in waypoints and such, not to mention it never blends in with the colors on the maps or the skulk's body, which I found was a problem for me in certain areas with the original standard orange x-hair from pre-2.0 days.
Oh, and regarding the whole "which alien class is best" thing here, I personally prefer skulk over any other alien and with the exception of HA's, I can do more damage to any marine with it. Maybe I'm just not good at fade, or maybe I just can't stand playing fade so I never do it, but rarely do I evolve to anything but gorge to drop a chamber or whatever, and then I immediately go back to skulk. Besides, they're free. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
The fade is good at killing. The point boils down to: Is it worth 50 res? Hell no, it isn't. The aliens have no midgame fighter. Fades are good at earlygame... that's it. Midgame is level 1.5 weapons/armor, maybe a few HMGs. A fade at that point doesn't stand a snowballs chance in hell.
Anyway, Coil is giving this thread the evil eye... so back on topic <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> No, a good fade will always be able to own lights.
Of course aliens have no midgame fighter. By this you mean someone who can stand up to heavies, other than the onos. There is no one. Y blame the fade - cuz he costs "so much"? You can easily pwn a lot more lights with fade than with lesser classes, although a crazy lerk may approach.
It doesn't matter if he doesn't stand a chance in hell against has. No other alien does alone except lucky onos, so y should the fade be able to? He can still pwn each and every light.
<!--QuoteBegin--elchinesetourist+Aug 24 2003, 09:51 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (elchinesetourist @ Aug 24 2003, 09:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> No, a good fade will always be able to own lights. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Against lights that can't shoot? Guess how many LEVEL 0 HMG bullets it takes to kill a fade.
40? Lower... 35? Lower... 25? Lower... ah 18. That's what? Less then one second of firing time?
How many LMG bullets does it take to take down a skulk? Apx. 16 as I recall. How come skulks don't die so easily?
Because they dodge bullets. Why then can't the fade, with an ability that practically allows them to "teleport," not be able to dodge or avoid bullets?
<sarc> Onos are too weak! It only takes one and a half LMG clips to kill one! </sarc>
erm skulks do die easily, you can take a couple out with one clip, and use ur pistol on a third, and perhaps knife the fourth if youre lucky.
fade is worth 50 res but ONLY with three hives.
a fade is meant to be a sort of "patroller" or "harasser", but can only accomplish this when he has acid rockets, and all 3 chamber upgrades: he needs adren, and he needs cara, but he also needs scent of fear.
I don't understand why you all underestimate the fade. You can harass marines, you can stop them from advancing, you can take down bases, you can contain them in base etc. and all that without dying. Marines have a very hard time to fight fades and they have a very hard time to advance if fades are nearby. Skulks can't accomplish this.
HAMBoneProbably the best CommanderJoin Date: 2003-04-02Member: 15139Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
<!--QuoteBegin--elchinesetourist+Aug 23 2003, 10:58 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (elchinesetourist @ Aug 23 2003, 10:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> although SHAMPOO is not the god of fades, <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Just had to stick up for shampoo, he is the god of fades!! First person demos in NS never do the player justice, i prefer not to watch HLTV first person also. I have seen some of the best players in NS first person and its never flattering, I dont know what it is, but the first person perspective just does not transfer well to viewing.
tankefuglOne Script To Rule Them All...Trondheim, NorwayJoin Date: 2002-11-14Member: 8641Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
PLEASE!
No ... more ... fade ...
I, for one, welcome these changes in the name of balance. Yey 2.1!
<!--QuoteBegin--Quid0+Aug 25 2003, 09:50 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Quid0 @ Aug 25 2003, 09:50 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Otherwise I like the updates coming up. Except the VAC one.
Damn I HATE IT!!! I just got banned from DOD 1 because of it, I can't play on some servers until 2008!! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I wish I could feel empathy for those who are "banned" from VAC servers, but I can't. Really. In every thread where i see stuff like this, half the time I think they're just "jumping on the bandwagon" and are either lying about the ban, or deserved them. The third case, where the ban was improper, I would think they would spend less time talking about it on a forum and more time Emailing someone in Tech Support to <b>fix</b> the problem. -I fixed a few typos on your part. It's except, not expect. GG dyslexia.
oNe thinks that comes me in mind by all the fade bla bla <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
2.0 was supposed to be more noob friendly. Isnt it paradox to make the Fade only good for skilled players <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> I mean the Fade now is definitly not noob friendly.
<!--QuoteBegin--HAMBONE+Aug 25 2003, 07:58 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (HAMBONE @ Aug 25 2003, 07:58 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--elchinesetourist+Aug 23 2003, 10:58 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (elchinesetourist @ Aug 23 2003, 10:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> although SHAMPOO is not the god of fades, <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Just had to stick up for shampoo, he is the god of fades!! First person demos in NS never do the player justice, i prefer not to watch HLTV first person also. I have seen some of the best players in NS first person and its never flattering, I dont know what it is, but the first person perspective just does not transfer well to viewing. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> This is truth, I don't know what it is, but every time I've watched from first person its just looked improper. It doesn't record the aim correctly or something.
I'm all for VAC personally. People might call me paranoid when it comes to cheaters, but I'd like to think of myself as aware. And being aware I know the cheat community for NS is surprisingly small considering it shares an engine with the abortion known as Counterstrike. And VAC may not be the greatest way to combat cheaters but it's a good start.
Lets stick with CD instead <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> He's right [Edit: meaning Speed 2 Dave is right. GG quoting the wrong person...] . Go email tech support if you don't deserve the ban. I've heard of several repealed bans recently. I'll be glad once VAC gets introduced. I like CD, but organized play seems to favor not using it, so I'm looking forward to playing with any cheat protection that I can get.
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Yes, I am. I find it really hard to aim with a dot that I can barely see. And my horrible intergrated video card doesnt have OpenGL. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I feel your pain. I have an onboard intel card too <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->.
I'm hoping I'll be able to disable ALL dynamic lights in 2.1.
PHASE GATES = 5fps
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->slightly reduced the power of aliens at hive 2<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
-- Tell me where that says Fades are getting nerfed. Wait, don't, because it doesn't, and this thread isn't about Fades.
Take it elsewhere.
yeah but in 2.0 u can have <!--emo&::onos::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tiny.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tiny.gif'><!--endemo--> x6 = WIN (depending on server)
u dont really see oni storming in a grp but when u do its all over in the blink of an eye. i bet if 6 oni charged ur base and u blinked the second they went through the doors u would be in the rdy room.
I have X-Hairs in D3D.
Or are you talking about how my LMG X-Hair is ONE PIXEL so I can barely see it? Are they supposed to be prettier? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes, I am. I find it really hard to aim with a dot that I can barely see. And my horrible intergrated video card doesnt have OpenGL.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Unfortunately this crosshair problem is caused by an unfixable bug in HL.
I'd recommend trying out some of the custom crosshairs people have released until we have a solution.
Max
"no, fade is messed. i sort of agree with monkeybonk like i said ages ago when arguments about the fade were going round more. like ppl say he is the best hit n run unit, sorry but i think onos is better. nothing hurts more than devouring some one and kill lots of other men and if all gets abit bad u run. "
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That's not hit and run. That's assault. If that were hit and run, what would be the alternative? Hit and stay? Hit and stay and pwn the entire marine team and base, thereby winning the game singlehandedly? How about hit and die? Therefore, your onos is assaulting and not hitting and running. The only hit and run onos is a redemp onos, generally a wasted onos.
<!--QuoteBegin--ViolenceJack+Aug 24 2003, 12:50 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ViolenceJack @ Aug 24 2003, 12:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> "one silly thing with fade is regen is still the best dc skill imo, " <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
regen does work well however IF those shotgun blasts land you are still dead very quickly. Therefore I suggest impressive dodging abilities coupled with a willingness to run and an ability to know when to run. Then, you can meta safely.. again I suggest adren redemp for this, adren for enough energy to run and keep running if you need to, then to meta until you're healed. Redemp *may* save you in time when you're that low in hp; regen will not, you will have to escape yourself, or die in the next few seconds. Remember a redemp fade is not wasted like a redemp onos; he can heal himself in various ways very quickly, then get back to the frontlines very quickly. Onos benefits enormously from regen or cara, as opposed to fade. Compare with skulk as well.
<!--QuoteBegin--ViolenceJack+Aug 24 2003, 12:50 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ViolenceJack @ Aug 24 2003, 12:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->"if u got lvl3 weapons a fade aint too hard, i have killed 2 fades within 3 secs with lvl0 lmg. well actualy it happened where i killed one with lmg and another chased me and got beaten up from turrets and i pistoled it and then 1 knife strike took it down. " <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> They would have died anyway. You just happened to get the last shot. He's not a tank, and turrets happen to have aimbot now. Y did you expect a fade to be as hard to kill as an onos?
<!--QuoteBegin--ViolenceJack+Aug 24 2003, 12:50 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ViolenceJack @ Aug 24 2003, 12:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->"id love to see a fade in a clan match, i would love to see marines with full teamwork they all got nice weapons and a fade blinks in they all let off there shottys and fade is creamed all over the wall. i would love too see that. " <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> You can <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> I forget what clan it was, might have been Evil, where their fade, who shall remain unnamed, unfortunately blinked into a group of marines and died instantly <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Now, you can say that omg that fade died to marines he's useless, but the fact is skulks, lerks, gorges, onos all die to groups of marines. What's that you say? Where's that uber skulk who pwnt a group by himself? Where's the onos who trampled that marine squad?
Exactly. So good faders will regularly own entire squads all the time. Of COURSE they will die sometimes. So does everyone else, even the worshipped onos.
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That's the point going right by my head.
The fade is good at killing. The point boils down to: Is it worth 50 res? Hell no, it isn't. The aliens have no midgame fighter. Fades are good at earlygame... that's it. Midgame is level 1.5 weapons/armor, maybe a few HMGs. A fade at that point doesn't stand a snowballs chance in hell.
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Jabba, use meta to heal, especially with adren. Use hud_fastswitch. Regen alone is too slow and will not save you when your hp instantly drops below 100 b/c of shotguns. Unless you mean that you combine regen with meta effectively, which if possible is interesting. Now, I can get the timing down, but I don't think it's worth it.
Jabba, use meta to heal, especially with adren. Use hud_fastswitch. Regen alone is too slow and will not save you when your hp instantly drops below 100 b/c of shotguns. Unless you mean that you combine regen with meta effectively. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Someone wrote up numbers of some sort, and regens heals you faster then metabolize, and not only that, but it doesn't drain a crapload of stamina, make a lot of noise, and it heals you all the time, not just when you're hiding in a corner.
Jabba, use meta to heal, especially with adren. Use hud_fastswitch. Regen alone is too slow and will not save you when your hp instantly drops below 100 b/c of shotguns. Unless you mean that you combine regen with meta effectively. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Someone wrote up numbers of some sort, and regens heals you faster then metabolize, and not only that, but it doesn't drain a crapload of stamina, make a lot of noise, and it heals you all the time, not just when you're hiding in a corner. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Regen makes more noise than meta, and it makes that noise if you're hurt no matter what, even if you need to keep quiet.
It's a **** fade that's afraid to meta b/c of noise. You'd better be able to hear marines or else your sound is dead. Meta barely drains energy with adren.
Regen is only useful out of combat anyway; i.e. while you're "hiding" in a corner. Except that it makes the noise no matter what, even if you're hiding.
You shouldn't be afraid to drain energy when you don't need it. Sitting around with full energy = wasted energy.
I have X-Hairs in D3D.
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Unfortunately this crosshair problem is caused by an unfixable bug in HL.
I'd recommend trying out some of the custom crosshairs people have released until we have a solution.
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The new crosshairs suck anyway in my opinion.... They block your view far too much, even if they are neat looking sprites. Once I installed 2.0, I *literally* played the game for less than a minute before I exited to view all the sprites and changed every single one back to my pretty blue 3x3 pixel dot that I used in 1.04. (and it looks nice as a marine 'cause it matches the blue in waypoints and such, not to mention it never blends in with the colors on the maps or the skulk's body, which I found was a problem for me in certain areas with the original standard orange x-hair from pre-2.0 days.
Oh, and regarding the whole "which alien class is best" thing here, I personally prefer skulk over any other alien and with the exception of HA's, I can do more damage to any marine with it. Maybe I'm just not good at fade, or maybe I just can't stand playing fade so I never do it, but rarely do I evolve to anything but gorge to drop a chamber or whatever, and then I immediately go back to skulk. Besides, they're free. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
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That's the point going right by my head.
The fade is good at killing. The point boils down to: Is it worth 50 res? Hell no, it isn't. The aliens have no midgame fighter. Fades are good at earlygame... that's it. Midgame is level 1.5 weapons/armor, maybe a few HMGs. A fade at that point doesn't stand a snowballs chance in hell.
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No, a good fade will always be able to own lights.
Of course aliens have no midgame fighter. By this you mean someone who can stand up to heavies, other than the onos. There is no one. Y blame the fade - cuz he costs "so much"? You can easily pwn a lot more lights with fade than with lesser classes, although a crazy lerk may approach.
It doesn't matter if he doesn't stand a chance in hell against has. No other alien does alone except lucky onos, so y should the fade be able to? He can still pwn each and every light.
Against lights that can't shoot? Guess how many LEVEL 0 HMG bullets it takes to kill a fade.
40? Lower... 35? Lower... 25? Lower... ah 18. That's what? Less then one second of firing time?
I rest my case.
With level 3 HMGs it's 14.
How many LMG bullets does it take to take down a skulk? Apx. 16 as I recall. How come skulks don't die so easily?
Because they dodge bullets. Why then can't the fade, with an ability that practically allows them to "teleport," not be able to dodge or avoid bullets?
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Onos are too weak! It only takes one and a half LMG clips to kill one!
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Get the point?
fade is worth 50 res but ONLY with three hives.
a fade is meant to be a sort of "patroller" or "harasser", but can only accomplish this when he has acid rockets, and all 3 chamber upgrades: he needs adren, and he needs cara, but he also needs scent of fear.
Just had to stick up for shampoo, he is the god of fades!! First person demos in NS never do the player justice, i prefer not to watch HLTV first person also. I have seen some of the best players in NS first person and its never flattering, I dont know what it is, but the first person perspective just does not transfer well to viewing.
i like the 3rd person animation, i will pwn as alien
No ... more ... fade ...
I, for one, welcome these changes in the name of balance. Yey 2.1!
Damn I HATE IT!!! I just got banned from DOD 1 because of it, I can't play on some servers until 2008!!
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Lets stick with CD instead
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I wish I could feel empathy for those who are "banned" from VAC servers, but I can't. Really. In every thread where i see stuff like this, half the time I think they're just "jumping on the bandwagon" and are either lying about the ban, or deserved them. The third case, where the ban was improper, I would think they would spend less time talking about it on a forum and more time Emailing someone in Tech Support to <b>fix</b> the problem.
-I fixed a few typos on your part. It's except, not expect. GG dyslexia.
2.0 was supposed to be more noob friendly.
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I mean the Fade now is definitly not noob friendly.
Just had to stick up for shampoo, he is the god of fades!! First person demos in NS never do the player justice, i prefer not to watch HLTV first person also. I have seen some of the best players in NS first person and its never flattering, I dont know what it is, but the first person perspective just does not transfer well to viewing. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
This is truth, I don't know what it is, but every time I've watched from first person its just looked improper. It doesn't record the aim correctly or something.
I'm all for VAC personally. People might call me paranoid when it comes to cheaters, but I'd like to think of myself as aware. And being aware I know the cheat community for NS is surprisingly small considering it shares an engine with the abortion known as Counterstrike. And VAC may not be the greatest way to combat cheaters but it's a good start.
Damn I HATE IT!!! I just got banned from DOD 1 because of it, I can't play on some servers until 2008!!
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He's right [Edit: meaning Speed 2 Dave is right. GG quoting the wrong person...] . Go email tech support if you don't deserve the ban. I've heard of several repealed bans recently. I'll be glad once VAC gets introduced. I like CD, but organized play seems to favor not using it, so I'm looking forward to playing with any cheat protection that I can get.