Rebellion against the swear filter.

Bloo

Those who swear write the swearwords wrong, so we should keep those words censored.

lolfighter

Considering my background in the NS community, it shouldn't surprise you at all that I support delicious bannings of people, puzl. Mmm, bans.

puzl

I think people who are deliberately offensive should be reprimanded, but those who are 'accidentally' offensive should be encouraged to change. Any relaxation of the swear filter would have to be tempered with a strict policy of self moderation. So a middle ground is, imo, the best solution. Have a sensible swear filter to keep the site clean, and ban those who are not capable of keeping their posts clean. Some people do actually learn to avoid swearing due to the annoyance of having words blanked out from their posts. Others might not learn until the threat of a temp suspension is produced, or worse still, until a temp suspension is applied. It is very rare that someone requires a permanent ban from these forums ( excepting the obvious trolls )

DrSuredeath

I really don't care. If you really need to have the word written, like for web address, there are plenty of ways around the swear filter.

wt....f....comics.com came to mind.

Thansal

Personaly, I like the swear filter. I agree that it needs to be fixed up, but I don't think any one is arguing with that.

I think that cuttign out swearing helps keep the forum civil.

You can't just tell some one that they are a ######en ###### gobling ###### slapper with a swear filter in place. And that makes insulting some one harder for a good portion of the people that could be considered 'undesirable' elements of the comunity.

Sure, you can dodge the swear filter, and it isn't that hard. But that expresses a flat out desire to break the rules, not just me quotting Eddie Izard (###### NUTS!, I long for a grape fruit) with out thinking about forum rules before hand.


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YE GODS NO!

I ofcourse can't think of good examples off the top of my head, but there are times when a word that is offensive is part of a second word. Finding the problem (unless specificly told) can be a royal pain.

Xyth

Personally, I just think that we should put the big 5 (Or was it 4?) on the filter and leave the rest up to peoples discretion. If somebody curses alot (I doubt many people will) then a warning of some sort would be in order. Besides, if somebody wanted to curse now they could just dodge the filters.

Really, the issue I see with the filter is not that it somehow makes posts unreadable, it just creates a feeling of childishness/immaturity in the forum. When some of the stupidest words are censored, ones that only the most conservative southern baptist would find offensive, it just makes us as a group look lame.

Thansal

the big 5/4 leaves out racial/sexual epithets and I do thing they should be left in. However I basicly agree with you.

the nice thing about the swear filter is that you actively have to dodge it if you want to swear, thus there is no grey area of "oh, I didn't know I wasn't supposed to, sorry it was an accident, etc etc". Cut and dry rules are good things for promoting the longevity and plesantness of a community. You know hwere you stand, what will fly and what will not. You don't have something that looks like /b/ (loose moderation), or...

Well, ok I can't think of a good example of over moderation, but that is b/c most of the examples are now dead from people leaving <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />

I personaly always thought that the NS forums were one of the best online comunities I have seen. Most public forums I run into these days are either tiney or filled with foul mouthed/immature kiddies.

Comprox

Xyth: Removing almost all words from the filter and leaving it up to mods to handle the rest purely comes down to manpower. Right now we may have enough, but as NS2 comes closer, I could never hire enough people <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />

Like Thansal said, things like racial slurs should remain as they can never be used in a constructive post. As for much of the rest of the list, puzl is correct and there is a lot of silly things on there. It is most definitely under review right now.

Thaldarin

What would be nice would also be an available list of such banned words.

One thing which has never made sense to me is the filtering of the American version of ######, yet ###### is allowed <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" /> Shake that ######! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />

Edit: Zomg a... r- se got banned? When? <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" /> I used to use it all the time <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" />

Thansal

*strike #2 - there is no need to test the swear filter, we get the point well enough* --Comprox

Surge

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One F-bomb per thread. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />

Quaunaut

Also, may I note some of the things in the swear filter were put in for humor.

SUYF from STF up(finished), for example. I believe the WT fsck one turning to WTH is from there too. I wouldn't be surprised if poo with a p was there for that as well.

I'm all for more lax swear filters, but WE MUST NOT GIVE UP OUR HERITAGE!

lolfighter

Can we censor "Bob" again?

KainTSA

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Another alternative would be to prevent the post until it is free of swearwords. Who would prefer that alternative?
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Actually it would be nice is the swear filter was able to catch things pre-post and alert the poster what was not allowed. Sometimes I write a message including a banned word simply because I'm not thinking about the filter. If i got a message before posting I could easily re-word it without having a bunch of #($*&#$(# in the middle of my post, which everyone can pretty much figure out the meaning to anyway.

Thansal

so if your post gets changed, just edit it out.

or just use preview post and you already have this feature then.

KainTSA

I'm just saying it would be more convenient if it was automatic. Its not a big deal.

Depot

It's not feasible to have it automatic on IPB boards - the previewing of posts is your only option.

TychoCelchuuu

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Can we censor "****" again?
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Your wish is my command.

Mouse

Comprox and myself have just finished going through and cleaning up the filter. Yes, some words have been removed from it. No, I'm not going to tell you what they are.

And no, that is not an invitation to test it.

Rover

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Comprox and myself have just finished going through and cleaning up the filter. Yes, some words have been removed from it. No, I'm not going to tell you what they are.

And no, that is not an inventation to test it.
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Sorry about this, but I just <i>have</i> to try one, I'm pretty sure everyone wants to know. That's right, poo with a p. Here goes nothing:


poop

edit: gasp.

Quaunaut

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Comprox and myself have just finished going through and cleaning up the filter. Yes, some words have been removed from it. No, I'm not going to tell you what they are.

And no, that is not an inventation to test it.
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Perhaps we need a spell-check-censor.

Invitation.

I'm sorry, I just...I feel guilty for even typing this out but the Add Reply button calls me. IT CALLS ME.

Faskalia

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And no, that is not an inventation to test it.
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sal######er ?

edit: <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" />

Anyway: The problem i see with a swear filter is that although it certainly helps to contain certain expressions; the most obvious one beeing "######", it cannot really stop people from swearing if they feel like it. There is also not much creativite involved in putting an "." between figures.

sal######er

vs.

s.a.l.t.w.a.t.e.r

Which one is worse?

Gwahir

just so long as something as trivial as poop got removed, I have no problem with the filter

Haze

######, horny? >.>

...sorry for testing.

Regardless:

<b>THE REBELLION IS A SUCCESS! THIS IS A HEROIC VICTORY WORTHY OF ROMAN ARMS!</b>

KungFuDiscoMonkey

Just keep in mind that we're putting some faith in you to be able to handle yourselves maturely. Going around and trying to test everything out just to test it, doesn't inspire a lot of confidence in you guys.

Testament

y dont u b matur

By the way, can I be unbanned from the discussion forums, or appeal it? It's been like 3 years.

Haze

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Just keep in mind that we're putting some faith in you to be able to handle yourselves maturely. Going around and trying to test everything out just to test it, doesn't inspire a lot of confidence in you guys.
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Ah, c'mon now, when something like that gets changed your curiosity gets the better of you, maturity isn't apart of it. I don't think anything will change, aside from relived annoyances now that I can say horny prison mate when I really need to get a point across with some crude comedy to boot.

As far as most offensive words go, they typically only crop up when people start to have a heated argument, which is usually against the rules to begin with and gets nuked to oblivion anyways.

I'm just glad that I can be a bit more lax and expressive in my posts now. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink-fix.gif" />

Gwahir

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Ah, c'mon now, when something like that gets changed your curiosity gets the better of you, maturity isn't apart of it.
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That's a very oxymoronic statement. Part of maturity is the ability to control your urges and impulses.

UltimaGecko

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That's a very oxymoronic statement. Part of maturity is the ability to control your urges and impulses.
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I would disagree with that statement.

TychoCelchuuu

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I would disagree with that statement.
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I wouldn't. What's maturity if not a way to distinguish what is mature and therefore something you might want to do from what is immature and therefore something you might not want to do?