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  • SwiftspearSwiftspear Custim tital Join Date: 2003-10-29 Member: 22097Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1803796:date=Oct 29 2010, 08:12 PM:name=Align)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Align @ Oct 29 2010, 08:12 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1803796"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I know about making molds; are you saying it can be mined like any other block? Strange that it didn't work then..<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    it can be mined like stone blocks if you are using a diamond pick. All other picks will just destroy it. That's actually true of many other materials as well. Iron cannot be mined with a wood pick, diamond can not be mined with a stone pick or lower. Stone and coal is just destroyed unless it is mined with a pick, although material of the pick doesn't matter for those basic types.
  • Chris0132Chris0132 Join Date: 2009-07-25 Member: 68262Members
    edited October 2010
    Hmm I have located a mystery object in a dungeon chest after the update.

    <img src="http://i54.tinypic.com/2vbrntg.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />

    It doesn't seem to do anything when I try to use it, looks like a weird eyeball tbh.

    Minecraft forums are down so I figured I'd post it here.

    Wait hang on, it's not a record is it?
  • RetalesRetales Panigg cultist Join Date: 2003-08-07 Member: 19180Members
    Yes, it's a record indeed.

    I loaded my old world with a obsidian frame ready. I started the portal up, entered the Nether and got attacked by Ghasts immediately. I tried to go back through the same portal, but when I got back, I was in some sealed off underground cavern. My last pick broke as I was mining upwards, and I had no more sticks with me :P
  • ZiGGYZiGGY Join Date: 2003-01-19 Member: 12479Members
  • Chris0132Chris0132 Join Date: 2009-07-25 Member: 68262Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1803905:date=Oct 31 2010, 12:55 AM:name=Retales)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Retales @ Oct 31 2010, 12:55 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1803905"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Yes, it's a record indeed.

    I loaded my old world with a obsidian frame ready. I started the portal up, entered the Nether and got attacked by Ghasts immediately. I tried to go back through the same portal, but when I got back, I was in some sealed off underground cavern. My last pick broke as I was mining upwards, and I had no more sticks with me :P<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    I'm guessing you ended up underneath your portal room because there was a cave under it, and the algorithm used to teleport you from a portal to a free space on the other side messed up.
  • MonkfishMonkfish Sonic-boom-inducing buttcheeks of terrifying speed&#33; Join Date: 2003-06-03 Member: 16972Members
    Oh ######. Oh ###### ######.

    <a href="http://img827.imageshack.us/i/98252578.jpg/" target="_blank"><img src="http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/528/98252578.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" /></a>
  • AlignAlign Remain Calm Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 5216Forum Moderators, Constellation
    Ghast fireballs can be hit with swords or arrows (or even punched!) to deflect them.
    Fishing is in.
    If you die now you don't drop all your stuff; it's gone forever (may be a bug).
    Jack o lantern can be worn on your head...
  • ScytheScythe Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 46NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation, Reinforced - Silver
    edited October 2010
    So my adventures in The Nether have been... expensive. I spent a while digging in the real world to find enough diamond to make a pick to mine obsidian to build a gate. After I had the mats I decided I should build a Cheyenne Mountain to house the portal. My initial plan was to build a Stargate Command replica, with a gate, control and briefing rooms. I gave up on that after I realised how much work it would be. Instead I made an underground inverted pyramid and put the gate at the bottom.

    I got geared up with everything I could concievably need through the portal (A full suit of armour, bow and arrows, mining picks, swords, flint and tinder, ...) and stepped through. OH GOD WHAT IS THAT SOUND ARARHGARGH.

    I got into a battle with some Ghasts, I shot a few of them down but an errant arrow hit one of the pigmen. A croud of five of them turned around and bolted towards me. I was overwhelmed. Goodbye, only diamond pick ever.

    After a few futile attempts at retrieving my gear, I decided to adopt a "if I can't afford to lose it, don't take it through"-approach. A few suicide runs left me with a cobblestone shell built around the hell end of the gate. I went exploring a few times and found some glowy ore. Took it back home but I couldn't smelt it.

    --Scythe--
  • ZiGGYZiGGY Join Date: 2003-01-19 Member: 12479Members
    i hear you craft the glowy ore 3x3 in a workbench to make a placeable glowy block, i also hear the game is riddled with bugs and havent bothered trying the update yet ;p
  • Kouji_SanKouji_San Sr. Hινε Uρкεερεг - EUPT Deputy The Netherlands Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
    edited October 2010
    Thank god I finished the biodome timelapse, before this patch!!! Running two instances of Minecraft and the server would actually work. But with this new update... As soon as it turns day on the server makes everything lag like hell... now onto the processing of the video, it does have a small treat inside for those who can spot it XD



    <div align='center'>Haha, trick or treating in Minecraft, in my Halloween special!!!</div>

    <center><object width="450" height="356"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/kND_Wj0Wf7U"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/kND_Wj0Wf7U" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="450" height="356"></embed></object></center>
    <div align='center'><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kND_Wj0Wf7U" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kND_Wj0Wf7U</a></div>


    <div align='center'>And finally the Biodome Timelapse, it is done. Well the dome is done...</div>
    <center><object width="450" height="356"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/pFbDZz6VKCQ"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/pFbDZz6VKCQ" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="450" height="356"></embed></object></center>
    <div align='center'><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFbDZz6VKCQ" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFbDZz6VKCQ</a></div>
  • DiscoZombieDiscoZombie Join Date: 2003-08-05 Member: 18951Members
    edited October 2010
    ugh is it just me or is the game much harder now? can't go 2 feet without running into monsters underground. can't survive long enough in caves to find any diamond to make any picks to harvest any obsidian to see hell...

    edit: awesome biodome timelapse =p that's dedication!
  • ScytheScythe Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 46NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation, Reinforced - Silver
    Kouji_San, that is incredible. You need to start sending that around.

    --Scythe--
  • remiremi remedy [blu.knight] Join Date: 2003-11-18 Member: 23112Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester
    <!--quoteo(post=1804025:date=Nov 1 2010, 12:55 AM:name=Scythe)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Scythe @ Nov 1 2010, 12:55 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1804025"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Kouji_San, that is incredible. You need to start sending that around.

    --Scythe--<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Yeah, that's ridiculous. Did you cheat to get enough glass to do that? Or did you really dig and smelt all that?
  • lolfighterlolfighter Snark, Dire Join Date: 2003-04-20 Member: 15693Members
    That IS really good. Music selection fits like a glove, too. Only criticism is that final remark - it seems ham-fisted. Replace the final text screen with something else (like cool stats about how long this took to plan/build, how many materials you used, whatever, and the video is now diamonds.
  • RetalesRetales Panigg cultist Join Date: 2003-08-07 Member: 19180Members
    I <b>did</b> see him :O . Oh an that video was amazingly great.

    A question to all you of you:

    Have you ever managed to enter and exit the Nether from the same, self built gate? I built my gate on top of a mountain, but when I exit the Nether through the same gate I came in, I end up on sea level about a minutes walk from the original gate. If I break the sea level gate and swing by the Nether again, it'll just spawn a new gate right next to the broken one.

    Perhaps... When I first went through the gate, the generated Nether world didn't have a valid place for a gate in the corresponding spot (there is a magma-ocean nearby), so it placed one as close as possible. Instead of 'aligning the worlds' and taking me directly back to the gate I entered, it calculates a new corresponding location of the Nether gate in the normal world. Maybe?
  • ScytheScythe Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 46NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation, Reinforced - Silver
    <!--quoteo(post=1804028:date=Nov 1 2010, 07:51 PM:name=lolfighter)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lolfighter @ Nov 1 2010, 07:51 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1804028"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->That IS really good. Music selection fits like a glove, too. Only criticism is that final remark - it seems ham-fisted. Replace the final text screen with something else (like cool stats about how long this took to plan/build, how many materials you used, whatever, and the video is now diamonds.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    I'm fairly sure the music is from Cowboy Bebop. Not sure though.

    --Scythe--
  • ZaggyZaggy NullPointerException The Netherlands Join Date: 2003-12-10 Member: 24214Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Reinforced - Onos, Subnautica Playtester
    <!--quoteo(post=1804032:date=Nov 1 2010, 12:06 PM:name=Retales)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Retales @ Nov 1 2010, 12:06 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1804032"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I <b>did</b> see him :O . Oh an that video was amazingly great.

    A question to all you of you:

    Have you ever managed to enter and exit the Nether from the same, self built gate? I built my gate on top of a mountain, but when I exit the Nether through the same gate I came in, I end up on sea level about a minutes walk from the original gate. If I break the sea level gate and swing by the Nether again, it'll just spawn a new gate right next to the broken one.

    Perhaps... When I first went through the gate, the generated Nether world didn't have a valid place for a gate in the corresponding spot (there is a magma-ocean nearby), so it placed one as close as possible. Instead of 'aligning the worlds' and taking me directly back to the gate I entered, it calculates a new corresponding location of the Nether gate in the normal world. Maybe?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    <img src="http://i.imgur.com/QUcu1.png" border="0" class="linked-image" />

    From: <a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/dz4sp/how_portals_work_as_explained_by_mspaint/" target="_blank">http://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments...ned_by_mspaint/</a>

    PS: <a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/minecraft" target="_blank">http://www.reddit.com/r/minecraft</a> is awesome
  • Kouji_SanKouji_San Sr. Hινε Uρкεερεг - EUPT Deputy The Netherlands Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
    edited November 2010
    <!--quoteo(post=1804026:date=Nov 1 2010, 09:08 AM:name=Psyke)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Psyke @ Nov 1 2010, 09:08 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1804026"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Yeah, that's ridiculous. Did you cheat to get enough glass to do that? Or did you really dig and smelt all that?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    No cheats sir, I had to clear a lot of sand for this. The sand also had to go, because of something I'm planing at that location. Besides it doesn't need that much sand. For the preparation of the glass I used a 8x furnace in my base and a 2x furnace in that small building inside the biodome. Using renewable wood instead of coal. Loads of trees have disappeared to make room for a grassland area as well.

    If I didn't have to landscape those areas to make said grassland (including a small lake+waterfall) and a river system from "Creeper Hill" going towards the Biodome. I probably would have cheated :P


    <!--quoteo(post=1804028:date=Nov 1 2010, 09:51 AM:name=lolfighter)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lolfighter @ Nov 1 2010, 09:51 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1804028"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->That IS really good. Music selection fits like a glove, too. Only criticism is that final remark - it seems ham-fisted. Replace the final text screen with something else (like cool stats about how long this took to plan/build, how many materials you used, whatever, and the video is now diamonds.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I'll have a look at getting stats for it... How I'm not sure yet. There is a small stats thingy on the lowerright corner of the vid for the time window of how long the recording actually was. Maybe I need to count the blocks <img src="http://members.home.nl/m.borgman/ns-forum/smileys/youreallwrong.gif" border="0" class="linked-image" />


    <!--quoteo(post=1804039:date=Nov 1 2010, 01:22 PM:name=Scythe)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Scythe @ Nov 1 2010, 01:22 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1804039"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I'm fairly sure the music is from Cowboy Bebop. Not sure though.

    --Scythe--<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Indeed, Seatbelts - Too Good Too Bad (Cowboy Bebop OST)
  • lolfighterlolfighter Snark, Dire Join Date: 2003-04-20 Member: 15693Members
    <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seatbelts" target="_blank">Presumably.</a>
  • AlignAlign Remain Calm Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 5216Forum Moderators, Constellation
    edited November 2010
    <!--quoteo(post=1804040:date=Nov 1 2010, 02:32 PM:name=Zaggy)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Zaggy @ Nov 1 2010, 02:32 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1804040"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><a href="http://i.imgur.com/QUcu1.png" target="_blank">http://i.imgur.com/QUcu1.png</a><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Kinda wish it'd just spawn it anyway, as long as it's not literally submerged in lava you can just dig or build yourself free.


    EDIT: I spawned in woodlands with a surface lava stream. After I found enough iron for a bucket, well...
    <img src="http://i51.tinypic.com/29qfi1f.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />
  • FehaFeha Join Date: 2006-11-16 Member: 58633Members
    edited November 2010
    <!--quoteo(post=1804013:date=Nov 1 2010, 04:45 AM:name=DiscoZombie)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DiscoZombie @ Nov 1 2010, 04:45 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1804013"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->ugh is it just me or is the game much harder now? can't go 2 feet without running into monsters underground. can't survive long enough in caves to find any diamond to make any picks to harvest any obsidian to see hell...

    edit: awesome biodome timelapse =p that's dedication!<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    The update got "scarier depths". That mean, the further down you are, the lighter it needs to be to make monsters not spawn. I do not know exactly how light it has to be at bedrock layer, but I think I actually had mobs spawn ontop a block with light level 10 (torch is light level 14, every block away it decreases by one, so if I got a torch every second block, all 3 blocks up from floor, the floor block inbetween 2 torches is light level 10) in one of my horizontal mines.

    Was a hell to kill it, as it was a skeleton and I tried to use my sword... In a horizontal mine you cant dodge arrows as they are 1 block wide.

    Another time I entered a room just to see a creeper jump into my face and blow up...

    EDIT: Anyone know how light it has to be to be safe at bedrock?
  • Kouji_SanKouji_San Sr. Hινε Uρкεερεг - EUPT Deputy The Netherlands Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
    edited November 2010
    <b>The serverlog for my timelapse for when that "spectator" was present, loads of <i>puzzling</i> warnings in there</b>
    ------------------------------------------------------------
    <!--sizeo:1--><span style="font-size:8pt;line-height:100%"><!--/sizeo-->2010-10-22 20:43:45 [INFO] Starting minecraft server version 0.2.1
    2010-10-22 20:43:45 [INFO] Loading properties
    2010-10-22 20:43:45 [INFO] Starting Minecraft server on 127.0.0.1:25565
    2010-10-22 20:43:45 [WARNING] **** SERVER IS RUNNING IN OFFLINE/INSECURE MODE!
    2010-10-22 20:43:45 [WARNING] The server will make no attempt to authenticate usernames. Beware.
    2010-10-22 20:43:45 [WARNING] While this makes the game possible to play without internet access, it also opens up the ability for hackers to connect with any username they choose.
    2010-10-22 20:43:45 [WARNING] To change this, set "online-mode" to "true" in the server.settings file.
    2010-10-22 20:43:45 [INFO] Preparing level "world"
    2010-10-22 20:43:45 [INFO] Preparing start region
    2010-10-22 20:43:49 [INFO] Done! For help, type "help" or "?"
    2010-10-22 20:43:54 [INFO] Player [/127.0.0.1:4707] logged in
    2010-10-22 20:43:59 [WARNING] Can't keep up! Did the system time change, or is the server overloaded?
    2010-10-22 20:44:08 [WARNING] Can't keep up! Did the system time change, or is the server overloaded?
    2010-10-22 20:44:14 [INFO] "Kouji_San" [/127.0.0.1:4708] logged in
    2010-10-22 20:44:08 [WARNING] Can't keep up! Did the system time change, or is the server overloaded?        
    2010-10-22 20:45:05 [WARNING] Can't keep up! Did the system time change, or is the server overloaded?     
    2010-10-22 20:45:18 [WARNING] Can't keep up! Did the system time change, or is the server overloaded?                  
    2010-10-22 20:46:15 [WARNING] Can't keep up! Did the system time change, or is the server overloaded?               
    2010-10-22 20:47:02 [WARNING] Can't keep up! Did the system time change, or is the server overloaded?  
    2010-10-22 20:47:18 [WARNING] Can't keep up! Did the system time change, or is the server overloaded?                  
    2010-10-22 20:48:09 [WARNING] Can't keep up! Did the system time change, or is the server overloaded?         
    2010-10-22 20:49:14 [WARNING] Can't keep up! Did the system time change, or is the server overloaded?              
    2010-10-22 20:50:05 [WARNING] Can't keep up! Did the system time change, or is the server overloaded?     
    2010-10-22 21:15:05 [INFO] "Kouji_San" lost connection: Quitting
    2010-10-22 21:15:16 [INFO] Player lost connection: Quitting
    2010-10-22 21:15:23 [INFO] CONSOLE: Stopping the server..
    2010-10-22 21:15:23 [INFO] Stopping server
    2010-10-22 21:15:23 [INFO] Saving chunks

    <!--sizec--></span><!--/sizec-->
    ------------------------------------------------------------
    <i>
    I hid a message in there for funz, try and find it :P</i>


    And I've posted two images on my site, showing the used materials in a graph and a datasheet
    <a href="http://www.existence-unknown.com/media/time-lapse/_article/minecraft-crafty-timelapse-biodome-64x32.html" target="_blank">http://www.existence-unknown.com/media/tim...dome-64x32.html</a>
  • ZiGGYZiGGY Join Date: 2003-01-19 Member: 12479Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1804056:date=Nov 1 2010, 05:13 PM:name=Align)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Align @ Nov 1 2010, 05:13 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1804056"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Kinda wish it'd just spawn it anyway, as long as it's not literally submerged in lava you can just dig or build yourself free.


    EDIT: I spawned in woodlands with a surface lava stream. After I found enough iron for a bucket, well...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    this is what endless expanses of the team liquid minecraft server looked like today ;p
  • DiscoZombieDiscoZombie Join Date: 2003-08-05 Member: 18951Members
    I find hell to be an unfriendly place. who would have thunk.

    made my portal in a sand wall in the desert. looked pretty cool. when I portal back to the surface, the exit portal is... on top of my house. Interesting.

    What is the secret to killing ghasts? I have not successfully shot one of their fireballs back at them yet. How am I supposed to harvest fancy light crystals with giant tentacle monsters raping me? -_-
  • juicejuice Join Date: 2003-01-28 Member: 12886Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1804143:date=Nov 2 2010, 01:28 AM:name=DiscoZombie)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DiscoZombie @ Nov 2 2010, 01:28 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1804143"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->How am I supposed to harvest fancy light crystals with giant tentacle monsters raping me? -_-<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    This is one of those eternal questions, that man has asked since the dawn of time...
  • RetalesRetales Panigg cultist Join Date: 2003-08-07 Member: 19180Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1804143:date=Nov 2 2010, 09:28 AM:name=DiscoZombie)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DiscoZombie @ Nov 2 2010, 09:28 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1804143"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->What is the secret to killing ghasts? I have not successfully shot one of their fireballs back at them yet. How am I supposed to harvest fancy light crystals with giant tentacle monsters raping me? -_-<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    I've never been able to kill a ghast by shooting a fireball back at them. I'd imagine you have to hit them with quite a few, since the fireball doesn't do all that much damage. The only way I've seen one die is when they've killed themselves in magma, either by flying into a magma "pillar" or landing into the magma ocean.
  • FehaFeha Join Date: 2006-11-16 Member: 58633Members
    Use bow to kill them.

    It is also usefull to make closed rooms around stuff in the nether. Such as closing in your portal so you can survive exiting it (and reach it later on without having to bridge huge amount of empty air caused by fireballs).
    Would probably also help for harvesting the fancy light crystals.


    Also, noone told me that the nether had an ambient sound of screams and cries! I freaked out when I exit portal first time, thinking I had like 10 ghasts around me screaming at same time!
    Still freaks me out sometimes, as parts of the ambient screams is very much alike how ghasts sound when they shoot fireballs.


    Also, why does the nether create portals with corners, when it is not needed? that is like an infinite obsidian source. And so is the fact that it creates portals in normal world anyway.
    I wish they just forced it into position, turning the nearby area in a 5*5*5 cube intp empty blocks (portal floor in ground, and 1 block empty space above its roof level).
    Or maybe use the same system it use now to place the nether portal, but instead of placing a portal there, it creates a tunnel to that position from the portal position where a portal should be.
    If it tries to force itself partly into a pos occupied by another portal (or the immediate vincinity), it should just link to that portal instead.
  • Kouji_SanKouji_San Sr. Hινε Uρкεερεг - EUPT Deputy The Netherlands Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
    The Ghast reminds me of the Cacodemon. Come to think of it, wouldn't be cool if he also shot something else besides fireballs? Think Doom's Final boss!
  • SwiftspearSwiftspear Custim tital Join Date: 2003-10-29 Member: 22097Members
    I was watching a minecraft stream the other day and the guy was playing ghastslayer by "catching" them with the fishing rod, reeling them in, and then beating on them with a steel sword. They're not that tough, only takes 2 hits.
  • Kouji_SanKouji_San Sr. Hινε Uρкεερεг - EUPT Deputy The Netherlands Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
    I gathered some info on the the Nether<i>lands</i>

    <a href="http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=75572&p=1168419" target="_blank">The Nether and You - A Handbook</a>
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