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DiscoZombie

somewhat meaningless bump, but someone bump this when notable changes are in the game, I need something to pull me back to it =p

Faskalia

<!--quoteo(post=1802070:date=Oct 20 2010, 06:58 AM:name=DiscoZombie)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DiscoZombie @ Oct 20 2010, 06:58 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1802070"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->somewhat meaningless bump, but someone bump this when notable changes are in the game, I need something to pull me back to it =p<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Should I bump this at Halloween then or can you manage to keep that date in mind?

Zaggy

Rapture, as done on the Penny Arcade server:

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Kouji_San

That is some building right there! Underwater building, gottah try that some day...

remi

<!--quoteo(post=1802140:date=Oct 20 2010, 10:57 AM:name=Kouji_San)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kouji_San @ Oct 20 2010, 10:57 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1802140"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->That is some building right there! Underwater building, gottah try that some day...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I've tried it. It's very difficult, but doable. Biggest problem I found is just how freaking dark it is down there.

This underwater city I'm sure was not actually built by hand (but by a level editor). It took me a good hour just to make a small glass room under water, and I started from inside an island and dug out. It's pretty cool to look at from above the water though because you can see the torch lighting up the area under water through the glass.

I have a dream of one day making a whole underwater city, safe from monsters, etc... Would be fun. :)

Kouji_San

We Dutch usually seal off entire areas to keep out the water so we can build stuff like towns and other useful areas. Submerging those areas to cover a prepared underwater city under water could be an option (something we Dutch might do some day when the polar icecaps melt <img src="http://members.home.nl/m.borgman/ns-forum/smileys/biggrin.gif" border="0" class="linked-image" />). That is if water would listen to the laws of physics more, but then again that would probably be asking to much what with Java involved <img src="http://members.home.nl/m.borgman/ns-forum/smileys/tongue.gif" border="0" class="linked-image" />


So:

1. Seal of an area, and pump out the water (sealing it entirely with sand or something)
2. Hollow it out
3. Build your town
4. Flood area
5. ?
6. Profit?

Or use a level editor <img src="http://members.home.nl/m.borgman/ns-forum/smileys/shifty.gif" border="0" class="linked-image" />

Thansal

Yah, if you wanted to do something like this with out the editor I think the answer would be sealing off a large area, building your item, then flooding it.

I now really want to go and try this out...

ZiGGY

i dont really know how stlll springs work when stacked together w/r/t flooding areas (in survivor), I have no idea how you'd go about flooding a 50 block high chasm liek that \o\

Kouji_San

<!--quoteo(post=1802180:date=Oct 21 2010, 12:47 AM:name=ZiGGY)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ZiGGY @ Oct 21 2010, 12:47 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1802180"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->i dont really know how stlll springs work when stacked together w/r/t flooding areas (in survivor), I have no idea how you'd go about flooding a 50 block high chasm liek that \o\<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I saw a video on how to do that once, it requires multiple source blocks each one a step above the previous one or something. <strike>I shall googlefu the internet for it... Youtube has history correct?</strike>

Sensei I have failed you!

ZiGGY

if thats how to do it I think I can probably do the rest ;p

Swiftspear

A lot of you have the sense that Java is quite a bit more inept than it is... For most functions the speed difference between Java and C++ is trivial.

lolfighter

There are even some tricks with bit arrays Java can do that blow just about every other programming language out of the water in terms of speed. Sure, they're only useful under very specific circumstances, but they're there... I just wish I could remember what they were, that'd make this anecdote a lot better.
The main issue with Java has always been startup time. Sit around. Wait for your virtual machine to get itself "booted" and sorted out. Ladeedaa. Make a cup of coffee while you're at it. That's what the icon means, presumably. It's one of the reasons Flash won out over Java in web games. Try to imagine programming minecraft in Flash. Not pretty.

Chris0132

<!--quoteo(post=1802140:date=Oct 20 2010, 07:57 PM:name=Kouji_San)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kouji_San @ Oct 20 2010, 07:57 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1802140"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->That is some building right there! Underwater building, gottah try that some day...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

It is very, very time consuming.

Because you have to build up to the roof and all the while you're doing it you're running out of air and moving very slowly and in the dark.

Craftable deteriorating-with-use SCUBA gear would be lovely.

<!--quoteo(post=1802180:date=Oct 21 2010, 01:47 AM:name=ZiGGY)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ZiGGY @ Oct 21 2010, 01:47 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1802180"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->i dont really know how stlll springs work when stacked together w/r/t flooding areas (in survivor), I have no idea how you'd go about flooding a 50 block high chasm liek that \o\<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Build a floor over it, flood the floor, then remove the floor.

Might not be totally accurate but it'll give you a huge ocean (that may be extremely hard to swim in but surely that's a bonus).

Align

It'll constantly flow downwards below the surface, but I think if you take spring blocks from the surface and place one on each z-level of the "ocean" it'll immediately propagate through that level and turn it into all spring blocks. But I haven't tested this.

Feha

Fill an area with blocks (ie sand) to remove the water.
Dig out the sand except edges, and build your thing.
Fill the area above your building again.
Replace the blocks at edge of top level with spring blocks.
Dig out the rest of the blocks in top layer, and the spring in edges should fill the inner area with new springs (every empty block next to 2 springs with block below becomes a new spring).
Repeat
...
Profit.

IIRC, After that you have flooded the top layer, you will only have to replace one corner block with a spring, and the others will fill because of water coming from above and the corner.

<a href="http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Water#Infinite_Spring_Duplication" target="_blank">http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Water#In...ing_Duplication</a>

DiscoZombie

so, slimes exist in alpha? I have yet to see one...

spellman23

<!--quoteo(post=1802219:date=Oct 21 2010, 06:11 AM:name=lolfighter)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lolfighter @ Oct 21 2010, 06:11 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1802219"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The main issue with Java has always been startup time. Sit around. Wait for your virtual machine to get itself "booted" and sorted out. Ladeedaa. Make a cup of coffee while you're at it. That's what the icon means, presumably. It's one of the reasons Flash won out over Java in web games. Try to imagine programming minecraft in Flash. Not pretty.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

I recently was told that in many cases Java is perhaps equal to if not beating C/C++ in speed because their virtual machine can make runtime optimizations. Best C and C++ can do is profiling during compile, and that's sketchy at best.

So yeah, there's plenty of nasty overhead, but the portability is nice and due to virtualization and runtime optimizations they're actually getting really fast now too.

ZiGGY

I saw a slime, but it died in 1 hit to a diamond sword which is 1 less than I was expecting D: Was in a fully lit hallway though so I have no idea where it came from :X

minecraft got DDoS'd \o\

Kouji_San

DDOS on minecraft.net makes my timelapse video on mah biodome sad. I need one instance of minecraft logged in, while the other is offline (camera guy) to be able to put two local players in minecraft.

On the other hand I did discover a spider rider and music disk or records...

locallyunscene

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Kouji_San

That cannon is impressive! Could it perhaps also be used to launch yourself and land in a pool of water or something, or would the blast kill you...

locallyunscene

<!--quoteo(post=1802278:date=Oct 21 2010, 08:52 PM:name=Kouji_San)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kouji_San @ Oct 21 2010, 08:52 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1802278"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->That cannon is impressive! Could it perhaps also be used to launch yourself and land in a pool of water or something, or would the blast kill you...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
He launches himself in another video. It's not nearly as impressible because "players are much heavier than animals" apparently.

Kouji_San

<!--quoteo(post=1802279:date=Oct 22 2010, 02:02 AM:name=locallyunscene)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (locallyunscene @ Oct 22 2010, 02:02 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1802279"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->He launches himself in another video. It's not nearly as impressible because "players are much heavier than animals" apparently.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Speaking of weight, minecraftguy can <a href="http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=61772" target="_blank">carry a lot of weight</a> <img src="http://members.home.nl/m.borgman/ns-forum/smileys/awesome.gif" border="0" class="linked-image" />

Also these two are related to each other and I did find some cool stuff indeed, alongside Creeper Wrangling!
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Zaggy

Halloween update preview!

<a href="http://www.pcgamer.com/2010/10/22/minecraft-halloween-update-preview-meet-the-ghasts/" target="_blank">http://www.pcgamer.com/2010/10/22/minecraf...eet-the-ghasts/</a>

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Kouji_San

Hehe Australium, gottah love Notch's humor!


<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The surface world will also get a lot more interesting: the game will now generate snowy stretches, desert areas, forests and other climate regions all in the same world. It should make exploration even more exciting than in the uniform worlds we have right now.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

This right here is what I've been waiting for! Biomes!

Align

US GAMERS EH

also Australium was what the pcgamer guys dubbed it, not Notch

Kouji_San

Ah, I misread that one. Still it should be called that from now on!

Retales

FFFffff-

I bet the ghasts can come through the portals and nuke your house, too.

Align

They can't follow you but they do spawn rarely around the portals apparently
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->@notch will the ghasts only be in hell, or will they be in the normal dimension as well?

@jakeyyyboyy if you've got a gate, they can (rarely) spawn there.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Also, look closely at the first image, specifically the top-left ghast. Notice how it's partially obscured by a few blocks?
Ghasts are big.

Faskalia

<!--quoteo(post=1802466:date=Oct 23 2010, 04:19 PM:name=Align)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Align @ Oct 23 2010, 04:19 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1802466"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->They can't follow you but they do spawn rarely around the portals apparently

Also, look closely at the first image, specifically the top-left ghast. Notice how it's partially obscured by a few blocks?
Ghasts are big.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Nope, those obscuring blocks are black smoke.

But you scared me for a second or two.