Female Marine In The Works

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  • commandox20commandox20 Join Date: 2002-07-12 Member: 913Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--RoadMaster+Jul 21 2003, 07:41 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (RoadMaster @ Jul 21 2003, 07:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> gee, what a load this one is..... and people wonder why "no good models are ever made in the NS modelling community". Conversions to the left, hackjobs to the right, and if you have some serious critisms about a model than if you don't word it right you get shot down. The first part of modelling is being able to take critism, because it will take you a LOT of time to actually get to a good quality in your work... you will never improve if you just ignore the complaints from others. You know, most of the talented modellers didn't actually release their first works, even those made from scratch. That's why it's called a LEARNING process, you can't just expect to jump into modelling and suddenly have skills, it's something you have to work on like all art. "If you have nothing good to say don't say anything at all" is REALLY not appropriate for an art community. I encourage people giving detailed and informed responses, but is it the end of the world if someone doesn't like my model? I prefer honest feedback instead of the traditional "kiss, kick, kiss, kick" method of critiqueing which has become evident in these forums.

    Now with that rant aside, here is my HONEST opinion of your model. It's a hackjob and a bad one at that. It feels like you clicked the "scale" button in HL model viewer than pasted an ugly face on top of it. We've got this toothpick marine who was made by skinnying up the default model. No creativity, no real effort or thought. It's an idea that has been suggested about 100 times before and suddenly someone actually does it, and unfortunately does a poor job of it. I feel sorry that a decent idea got slaughtered so... I'd say make some real concept art, make is somewhat more unique than "a thin male marine" and then make it from scratch. You will learn a lot more, even if the model's quality doesn't end up that great it's a much better learning experience for modelling and skinning. As I've already stated, you don't HAVE to release every learning step you've ever made... that's one of the reasons this forum has so many posts to sift through to find anything of value. The face, the ONLY part perhaps that you did from scratch... looks like it was made out of 6 polygons and a gradient. You are seriously underestimating the amount of work that should be put into a model and it shows through very clearly. I hope you actually pay attention to this critique, because it WAS well thought out by myself. I just hope that I can still access the NS forums after I return from my figure drawing class later today. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    A screenshot doesnt always give the best picture quality, belive me theres detail in the models face. more then 6 I certain. I didnt make the face as I said before I took nympho model and I took the marine model, decompiled both, and removed the body from nympho scale it to the helmet, scaled the hair down and moved it around, to the helmet and went verticy by verticy to get it to look decent for the shape of the head, reimported nympho to use as a base to keep the body correct, continued to scale verticy by verticy. trying to match it up with nympho, except for the chest region which is scaled down considerably.

    Do not call my work bad,

    I know its hackjob stop insulting the days of work I have put into this, I do listen to people they said the legs were too skinny I fattend em up a little bit, they still think they're skinny i'm trying to keep it clean and trying to make a female version of the marine, the best way to do that is to modify the male marine, instead of recreating the armor on a female model.



    work continues guys, release soon. finishing up my site, I'll post the link here when its done.
  • CommandoCommando Join Date: 2002-05-22 Member: 657Members, NS1 Playtester
    I am the original! <!--emo&::marine::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • PerfectionsFlawPerfectionsFlaw Join Date: 2003-02-14 Member: 13555Members
    I remain neutral because I don't want to hurt someone's feelings ^.^; which is dreadfully odd because normally I leap at the chance. Probably cause I love you all so much <b>::Grabs commandox20 and RoadMaster in a group hug::</b> <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->

    Anyways, RoadMaster was giving you the low-down basically how it is. He's blunt and I like it ^.- brought up a good few points in his post. I dunno about you commando, but I'm one for 2d art not three dimensional. I can do nice hackjobs though!

    Now on the other hand, you have had to put up with alot of "Bigger boobs!" "Wider hips!" "Hourglass legs!" so you deserve a little bit of a break eh? <b>::Gives commandox20 a Kit-Kat bar::</b> Personally I don't like Kit-Kats..

    Oh err, one last note ignore SepirothIII, pornography focuses on different regions than you need to cover. I suggest crusing celeb gallery sites or maybe swimsuit, I've never downloaded swimsuit pictures for reference. If you're still in high school, and you need a female reference, find a gir- wait nevermind -.-;;
  • CoolCookieCooksCoolCookieCooks Pretty Girl Join Date: 2003-05-18 Member: 16446Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation
    lol, i guess thats a way to put it, <b>kit-kat bar</b> <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • UnknownUnknown Join Date: 1970-01-01 Member:
    <!--QuoteBegin--SephirothIII+Jul 21 2003, 04:33 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SephirothIII @ Jul 21 2003, 04:33 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I did this pic for a friend as fanart
    but you see what i mean by hips and thighs and stuff
    I know it sucks but you get the idea
    <img src='http://km.keenspace.com/images/gallery/shainabyseph.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    yo... um

    it's your taste and everything..
    but...
    if the chiq went through TSA training and everything...
    she probably wouldn't.. [cough]

    have.... cankles...

    [wince]
  • PerfectionsFlawPerfectionsFlaw Join Date: 2003-02-14 Member: 13555Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Jin-Roh+Jul 21 2003, 07:14 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Jin-Roh @ Jul 21 2003, 07:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> yo... um

    it's your taste and everything..
    but...
    if the chiq went through TSA training and everything...
    she probably wouldn't.. [cough]

    have.... cankles...

    [wince] <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Cankles are when you can't make out the ankles and on that picture you can clearly make out the ankles. Plus she's a closer canadite to the physique of an average than any one of you carrot-waxers have been pointing out.

    But! With the physical training marines require she would get a little buff and lose a few pounds. Physical training always good thing, men need it as much as women =P My pants are starting to get tight that means I'm on a diet and a new exercise program starting today! Err this week maybe, I can't afford new pants right now.

    Oh yeah uhm... SepirothIII, why did your friend give a half-naked belly-dancer a giant can opener?
  • BattousaixBattousaix Join Date: 2002-06-25 Member: 822Members
    Doesnt look like a real woman o_O
  • CoolCookieCooksCoolCookieCooks Pretty Girl Join Date: 2003-05-18 Member: 16446Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation
    yea her feet are a lil, fat <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • commandox20commandox20 Join Date: 2002-07-12 Member: 913Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Battousai^^x+Jul 22 2003, 01:30 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Battousai^^x @ Jul 22 2003, 01:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Doesnt look like a real woman o_O <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    too much porn
  • Vash_Fourty_Five_LcVash_Fourty_Five_Lc Join Date: 2003-06-01 Member: 16913Members
    edited July 2003
    *cough cough* yeah... I was bored in Economics yesteday and whipped up a quick sketch on a whim. Sorta UT2K3 inspired I guess, but the rifle is all made up. The pistol is real...see if you can guess what it is from that view....hehehe... Yeah yeah, sorta going against what this thread's original model was, a non-sexist female model, but I figured I should go Tombraiderish style at least once, and I think that this one isn't actually half bad. Just some ideas I guess, like the work so far Commandox20, even if it just a hack/edit, it's the farthest I've seen this idea get I think, so until the later versions where NS ships with honest to goodness female marines, (with their own voices to boot!) I think this is just fine and dandy. I'm kinda pleased with how this came out and will probably touch it up later, made add a few more details. Sorry it's not colored like Sheena's, my Adobe skillz = zero. All I could use it for was to desaturate the pic... Enjoy, or not, just throwing out some ideas I guess since everyone else is. And keep on working on it commandox, looking forward.

    P.S. To all the anime buffs out there, guess who her hairstyle and suit is inspired from...

    <a href='http://www.geocities.com/spikejericho941/FemaleMarineConcept1.jpg' target='_blank'>Female Marine Concept</a> (And sorry for it being on Yahoo...hopefully you know the drill, put a space after the address in the address bar, right click save as, etc. etc. anyone of those...)
  • PerfectionsFlawPerfectionsFlaw Join Date: 2003-02-14 Member: 13555Members
    The armor is a dead on match, almost anyway, for the Evangelion plug-suits. When you said the gun I thought you meant the rifle and I was trying to classify it. There is a gun in existance that looks like it in structure, not so much design. <i>(That means the outline, not any of the fancy rims and grooves.)</i> I think the pistol is a beretta, not many widely used pistols have a rounded-off barrel top. <i>(Okay so I don't know anything's name on the gun except for trigger, barrel, grip, and chamber =P )</i>
  • QuaunautQuaunaut The longest seven days in history... Join Date: 2003-03-21 Member: 14759Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    edited July 2003
    Woah woah woah Perfectionists. You just entered in onto MY realm.

    Where can I get a pic of the thingy above?

    Tell me, and I can point out every difference, for I am,

    <span style='font-family:Impact'><span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'><span style='color:blue'>Fanboy-of-Evangelion-Man!</span></span></span>

    Or as I like to say, I know everything Eva.

    And especially the plugsuits...and a lot about Shinji's(note the sig and avatar)...I MADE his plugsuit out of leather. Took me 11 months. Can't fit into it, nor can I find someone who can.
  • Vinegar_NinjaVinegar_Ninja Join Date: 2003-01-12 Member: 12211Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Quaunaut+Jul 22 2003, 10:49 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Quaunaut @ Jul 22 2003, 10:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Woah woah woah Perfectionists. You just entered in onto MY realm.

    Where can I get a pic of the thingy above?

    Tell me, and I can point out every difference, for I am,

    <span style='font-family:Impact'><span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'><span style='color:blue'>Fanboy-of-Evangelion-Man!</span></span></span>

    Or as I like to say, I know everything Eva.

    And especially the plugsuits...and a lot about Shinji's(note the sig and avatar)...I MADE his plugsuit out of leather. Took me 11 months. Can't fit into it, nor can I find someone who can. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    someones a dork.......
    and as for the model......
    "days" of work = crap stuff, which is kindve what this is...... you shouldnt consider this a final draft, more a work in progress.... its good that your at least trying, but for teh LOVE OF GOD, SHOW US A IN GAME PICTURE THAT HAS LIGHT IN IT!!!!!! over half the shots are in a dark hallway, where you cant see crap, I mean it could just be a marine model in there, and we wouldnt know @_@
    and as a side note: hackjob = fair amount of flaming.... making your own model = less flaming.....
    you could alway use what you have now as a base, and try to make your own model, which would most likely look a hella of a lot better than this.......
  • commandox20commandox20 Join Date: 2002-07-12 Member: 913Members
    except im not that good of a modeler? Im mostly a mapper.

    Its mostly been you guys saying release it I want it!!! (look back on pages 1-5 theres several guys who request release, or "when will it be done?" type things)
  • Vinegar_NinjaVinegar_Ninja Join Date: 2003-01-12 Member: 12211Members
    then release it as a beta, not a final......
    its too horrid to be a final.....
  • RoadMasterRoadMaster Join Date: 2002-06-01 Member: 718Members
    I think you are giving yourself too much credit commandox, the last 5 pages or so have been a lot of flaming, a lot of suggestions, and on your part it seems a lot of ignoring of suggestions. If you can't take the heat stay out of the kitchen may be an appropriate phrase to use, because you are trying to defend your lack of effort by saying it's something you don't normally do. Well if you don't want to be a modeller than why are you trying? and if you do want to learn to model why are you doing so in the worst way possible, releasing something that probably isn't worth releasing? As I've said before, not all early modelling work which you learn from has to be released, it ends up a waste of space which people don't really want except for convenience. A lot of people in other threads ask when something will be released, use the model once, then go back to their defaults or their "favourites"... make something memorable which people may actually use.
  • Vinegar_NinjaVinegar_Ninja Join Date: 2003-01-12 Member: 12211Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--RoadMaster+Jul 22 2003, 11:27 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (RoadMaster @ Jul 22 2003, 11:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I think you are giving yourself too much credit commandox, the last 5 pages or so have been a lot of flaming, a lot of suggestions, and on your part it seems a lot of ignoring of suggestions. If you can't take the heat stay out of the kitchen may be an appropriate phrase to use, because you are trying to defend your lack of effort by saying it's something you don't normally do. Well if you don't want to be a modeller than why are you trying? and if you do want to learn to model why are you doing so in the worst way possible, releasing something that probably isn't worth releasing? As I've said before, not all early modelling work which you learn from has to be released, it ends up a waste of space which people don't really want except for convenience. A lot of people in other threads ask when something will be released, use the model once, then go back to their defaults or their "favourites"... make something memorable which people may actually use. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    well its also things like the face, which is a skin job, which he "dosnt do" which I find ironic, due to hes a mapper, not a modeler <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • ubersteveubersteve Join Date: 2003-07-19 Member: 18274Members
    Let the man work! He, at least, has the sense to continue his work the way he feels it should be done. It's a wonder he even keeps going. Commando is doing a fine job, and I am greatly looking forward to the release. Shoot, I'll skin it if that's the problem.

    Fantastic work, Commando! No one else seems to want to make their own, just flame yours. Keep it up, I am definately going to download this.

    Oh, and people, please take a look at the <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=19&t=39085' target='_blank'>politeness thread</a>. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • Vash_Fourty_Five_LcVash_Fourty_Five_Lc Join Date: 2003-06-01 Member: 16913Members
    At PerfectionsFlaw, good job spot on answer. The suit did somehow kinda mutate into the Eva plug-suits...don't really know how... Guess I wanted something that actually covered the whole body, not just like some armored skirt thingy, but still allow alot of movement and it morphed into that.. And the hair is taken more or less from Rei. *shrug* I was going for a different look that didn't work out and I scrapped it, revised it, looked at it and said. "Hey, it looks like Rei. Cool." As for the rifle, that one sorta falls under an M-4A1 Pulse Rifle, a M-A5B Assault Rifle, and a Sniper Stock. Heh. And the pistol was actually a USP Match-Grade. Sorry if you couldn't tell, easy ways to see from that horrid view were the rear-sights, slightly elognated barrel over the open compensator top, and the two vented holes on the back top of the slide. That and the right sided ejection port. Oooooooor you can all say "WTH, can't see that!" Yeah, enough of that.

    I think this model should just be released already commandox, see no reason for holding back as other's have said. But I think it is a good effort on your half. Just maybe you should take into consideration what others have suggested, and maybe after releasing this and getting feedback, starting from scratch on your own as suggested, seems to be the best way to go in this area... So hope you release soon, or at least before 2.0... which gives you...err...about a week. Yeaaah...

    Oh, and PerfectionsFlaw, love your avatar, makes me wanna run up and huggle a skulk in battle! Sooo squishy squishy!! *CHOMP* Ahhhh my arm!!!
  • ideasideas Join Date: 2003-05-01 Member: 15974Members
    2 things the girl with some armor and the tatto and some flesh great i love it but the 2nd thing is TOO MANY PICS IN THIS POST LIKE 20 OF EM 4 IS ENOUGH <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • PerfectionsFlawPerfectionsFlaw Join Date: 2003-02-14 Member: 13555Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--ubersteve+Jul 23 2003, 12:20 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ubersteve @ Jul 23 2003, 12:20 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Fantastic work, Commando! No one else seems to want to make their own, just flame yours. Keep it up, I am definately going to download this. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Bah! I tried to make my own only something went horrible wrong with the bones and I don't know which vertices to align the bones with to get the correct animations. I've tried aligning twice both of them came out particularly odd. One ended up looking like a very distorted piece of sheet metal.

    Really, I did look at the older posts on this forum should be in the second page.
  • CrouchingHamsterCrouchingHamster Join Date: 2002-08-17 Member: 1181Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--[JeMaL]Vinegar Ninja+Jul 23 2003, 04:13 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ([JeMaL]Vinegar Ninja @ Jul 23 2003, 04:13 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Quaunaut+Jul 22 2003, 10:49 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Quaunaut @ Jul 22 2003, 10:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Woah woah but for teh LOVE OF GOD, SHOW US A IN GAME PICTURE THAT HAS LIGHT IN IT!!!!!! over half the shots are in a dark hallway, where you cant see crap, I mean it could just be a marine model in there, and we wouldnt know <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    It might be an idea to go into Photoshop ( or your image editor of choice ) and adjust the brightness/contrast/gamma of your screenshots to match what they look like in game. If you're a mapper you should be familiar with the effect the env_gamma entity has on lighting. This is why your shots are a little hard to see..

    On the other hand, anyone who has trouble seeing them could do exactly the same..

    /2p worth
  • HazeHaze O RLY? Join Date: 2003-07-07 Member: 18018Members, Constellation
    I, myself think that the girls head is too big. Look at the first picture of the post.
  • MavericMaveric Join Date: 2002-08-07 Member: 1101Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--#Ha.Ze-+Jul 23 2003, 04:10 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (#Ha.Ze- @ Jul 23 2003, 04:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I, myself think that the girls head is too big. Look at the first picture of the post. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Yeah, i was thinking that, too. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • ubersteveubersteve Join Date: 2003-07-19 Member: 18274Members
    *Bump*

    Any progress Commandox?
  • commandox20commandox20 Join Date: 2002-07-12 Member: 913Members
    me and flaw are teaming up.
  • PerfectionsFlawPerfectionsFlaw Join Date: 2003-02-14 Member: 13555Members
    <b>::blinks::</b> He was having trouble with his model, I was having trouble with my bone animations, he can skin and align, I can't ^.- my model may be a hackjob, but well you know, I put some effort into it. Anyway he is doing most of the work and I'm kinda waiting to see how it ends up looking when he fixes it up.
  • SwivMasterSwivMaster Join Date: 2002-12-20 Member: 11207Members
    when will u release this thing?!
  • Dr_Zer0Dr_Zer0 Join Date: 2003-07-01 Member: 17840Members
    *Looks at Perfection's avatar* aww how cute <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->

    (sorry, had to spam that <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> )
  • bLuIShbLuISh Join Date: 2003-05-21 Member: 16559Members
    did u people see perfectionsflaw's picture of a girl model? that kicks ****,(not possible) but if ur aiming for female model,try to go for that kind of girl
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