I wear what I find comfortable. I don't care what anyone thinks about how I look or what I wear. I find black clothes to be the most comfortable. That is all.
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<!--QuoteBegin--Sp@ceM0nkey+Aug 4 2003, 10:17 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sp@ceM0nkey @ Aug 4 2003, 10:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> How you dress is reflects on who you are but doesnt define you. To judge people solely on how they dress is wrong.
Do you see where I am coming from? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Well I'm not speaking in concrete "this is exactly who are at all times and you can have no other charictaristics" terms here, so I see where you're coming from, and I hereby declare myself out of this debate because this seems to be a good point to end it.
Every time I see a music video from a girl, or a girl group, what is the main selling point?
Sex.
My God, what is the world coming to. When I go to school, I don't see the "cute" girls anymore. I see girls that wanna dress like prostitutes.
The main line all these women carry? "I wanna show I'm grown up"
The main line the guys carry about it? "Ooh...big...breasts...nice...curves...must...ogle..."
I'm seriously getting **** here about all of this. First it was Britney Spears. Then Christina Aguilera. Then the black female artists started getting in on it. Just 5 minutes ago, I saw the one group I thought would be really cool- Dream -do a video that had more indications of them wanting to have sex. The subject line for it put out by them? "Were all grown up now".
This has led me to ask all the women that read this...
What do you think grown up means? And don't just point out to me that all I've named is big stars- girls in schools now are doing it too. Its ridiculous. Every time I turn the corner-ope, another tight-fitting shirt. Every time I see a girl these days, I think to myself "what a slut". Its really making me mad, being I'm the kind of guy that wants a girl based on her personality, not her ****.
God, this makes me sick. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I like the ways girls dress....Define a cute girl.
<!--QuoteBegin--Quaunaut+Aug 1 2003, 09:13 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Quaunaut @ Aug 1 2003, 09:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I think samwise should win the "Smart_Bomb" award, for the stupidest thing this year! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I think your thread should win "stupidest thread of the year"
We're in the 20's where it was considered outrageous for girls to show their ankles and knees. Times are changing! and ****, if girls want to dress in revealing clothing, I cannot complain. You shouldn't either, unless your a feminist, and if you are, please don't post about it.
i think everyone that has this weird problem of not being able to see past what people are wearing
needs
to f*cking <i><b>COPE</b></i>
<i>THINK</i> about it.. if other people can have meaningful relationships by looking past the superficial, what are <i>you</i> doing wrong?
if you're not completely serious about this, then it's just spewing self-righteous <i>crap</i> like kiddy anti-american crap.
if you can't see past the mistakes our country is making, then GET OUT... right? so if you can't see past the choices other people make about their appearances, STOP LOOKING.
Samwise (in response to your post on the first page), I don't know what you're talking about with cute girls at Berkeley. There ain't that many, but then again maybe I'm just spoiled. :-p (But at least that's what people at Cal say).
As for girls dressing slutty being sluts, and girls dressing conservatively being prudes, I've found that often times you'd be surprised.
You may not be able to fathom it, but girls can feel sexually repressed too. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> I know a lot of girls who dress provocatively not because they have lots of sex, but rather the lack thereof. Now, this lack thereof can come from many reasons: fear of relationships (common at Berkeley), religion, unattractiveness, or simply low self-esteem. In any case, however, they make up for their repression by dressing provocatively. Many of the sexually healthy girls that I know dress far more conservatively.
Rhu: the cute ones don't generally hang out at Soda Hall. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo--> oddly enough on my little road trip the other day we got on this discussion. about the way people dress... its their choice but there are a few things that do annoy me. like when a girl wears some skimpy close and then gets mad if they get a crude reaction from a guy... you have to expect that...we also discussed something that the guys in the group brought up, that you see girls, that are like 12 years old wearing skimpy close and looking like they are 16,17... i personally have a problem with people like that. not more their dress though as the attitude that in alot of cases goes with it. not in all cases. but in alot of them, a b***hy attitude goes along with the sluty close... so i guess it mostly depends on the attitude rather than the close. either or if you dont want to be judged wrong dont give reason to be, people judge by site most of the time. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Samwise: I don't hang out around Soda Hall either! I avoid that place with a vengeance. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
As for why girls object to guys making crude remarks about them when they dress provocatively -- it's because they're not used to dealing with that sort of thing, if you believe what I said about them being the ones who are sexually repressed.
This like many posts about "girls" on this site, was very interesting to read. Quaunaut I don't know how to answer your question of what makes "girls" feel grown up... but to comment on the posting.... Many girls like to dress slutty because they like the attention, maybe they feel that people think they are prettier when they are hanging out of their clothes or whatever. Self-respecatble ladies normally don't feel the need to wear revealing clothes, unless they are asked to by their bf's, other people, or peer pressre. I am not a very girly girl so my normal attire is track pants and a baggy shirt normally, but I know that even putting on a fitted shirt gets me a little bit more attention, they make you look more slim well if you are, and I know guys find girls to be attracitve when they get dressed up. When I say dressed up let me make this clear I mean a dress and heals, not necessarily slutty or revealing, but most girls just look better in dresses and make-up even if they don't do it very often. I'm sure most of you guys would agree to that...? Anyway I hope you enjoyed the "girl's persepcitve" to this. Have a nice day.
I think girls are a lot more attractive when they wear clothes that reveal more, and obviously they are doing it for the attention. When your a teenager, horomones do wonders <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> Everyone has the right to wear what they want, and If someone wants to wear somthing that looks "slutty" to you, then you might as well let them. Just because your dresscode makes them look slutty, dosnt necisarily mean they are. Anyways, would you rather look at girls that wear just the normal clothes (jeans and a shirt -kind of lose, just a comfortable kind of look-) or would you rather looks at girls that go the extra mile and TRY to look stunning.....Maybe it's just me, but ohwell... <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
I live in California. Thus, I have the experience of this subject. No question.
Alright. First of all. The current fashion is pretty much just the social norm. Very few people think about it, they just kind of go with the flow. Girls wear what's in because that's what they feel they are expected to do, and for the most part, they're right, the whole societal scene, ie. Television, school cliques and other societal "norms" encourage them to do so.
So lets just establish this, yes, it's all very petty and shallow sometimes. But understand this, just because they may dress a certain way doesn't necessarily mean they are "cheap" and "easy". Then we're just being petty ourselves.
Either way. Every male that doesn't respect women sickens me. Literally, to think that just because someone would dress a certain way would make you even think to call them prostitutes disturbs me, even further, guys who encourage it because it turns them on further disgusts me.
I would just encourage that everyone just think about why things are rather than thinking about why things bother you. Try not to be so shallow. Don't be weak and cave into being judgemental purely on what they wear.
Heh.. Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah... I could say a million things on the subject
btw my post above is another girls prospective. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> since some people didnt seem to realize that. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> i am a girl too! <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--(SoD)BOO+Aug 5 2003, 01:43 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ((SoD)BOO @ Aug 5 2003, 01:43 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo--> oddly enough on my little road trip the other day we got on this discussion. about the way people dress... its their choice but there are a few things that do annoy me. like when a girl wears some skimpy close and then gets mad if they get a crude reaction from a guy... you have to expect that...we also discussed something that the guys in the group brought up, that you see girls, that are like 12 years old wearing skimpy close and looking like they are 16,17... i personally have a problem with people like that. not more their dress though as the attitude that in alot of cases goes with it. not in all cases. but in alot of them, a b***hy attitude goes along with the sluty close... so i guess it mostly depends on the attitude rather than the close. either or if you dont want to be judged wrong dont give reason to be, people judge by site most of the time. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> amen
it's mostly the attitude that goes with it
i'm a girl myself and thank <!--emo&::fade::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/fade.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='fade.gif'><!--endemo--> i don't dress like everyone else. Usually just baggy clothes, whatever i feel comfortable in.
If people want to dress "slutty" i don't treat em any better or worse than other human beeings. It's the attitude that changes my perspective on em
(I was trying not to be too sterotypical but...) Aren't most girls that play ns the kind of girls who would wear comfortable clothes because they don't care about what they look like? For Pete's sake.... if you're sitting behind the computer all day who cares what you look like? (BTW I do play ns a lot but I do many other things too, this is an in general kind of comment...)
<!--QuoteBegin--NSPlayaGirl+Aug 5 2003, 07:29 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NSPlayaGirl @ Aug 5 2003, 07:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> (I was trying not to be too sterotypical but...) Aren't most girls that play ns the kind of girls who would wear comfortable clothes because they don't care about what they look like? For Pete's sake.... if you're sitting behind the computer all day who cares what you look like? (BTW I do play ns a lot but I do many other things too, this is an in general kind of comment...)
-Jane <!--emo&::skulk::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/skulk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='skulk.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> i do have a life. NS i play at night. cept friday nights and sunday nights.i sqeeze playing NS and maybe slipping in a few CAL matches. once and awhile when i find time. and i DO not dress like a fashion reject. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> i have a VERY busy life. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> there is a line between dressing sluty and dressing sexy. you can look cute and appealing without looking sluty or revealing. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> just in most cases they seem to dress sluty, but there is a differance. you can look nice being completely covered up. sad to say i think alot of girls dress sluty to make themselves feel better. i would mension my reason for thinking this but i wouldnt want to offend anyone. ill just put it this way. that its disusting for a girl to dress revealing in all cases but sometimes you see people who REALLY shouldnt wear some of that stuff. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> i think at least some of you will get what i mean. anyhow i like dressing cute and fashion minded. but i dont spend hours trying to look perfect. i could care less cause i know that there isnt anyone to impress. in that way you attract the wron kind of guys. so its pointless really. i mean look nice but not sloppy. kept up and cute. its futile trying to be look good all the time. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> but its also the personality that goes with. some people who you think look sluty may be completely differant. so you really dont know unless you talk to them. go on our website to see a picture of me and the rest of the clanners <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> and if you wanna search around. and check out our site.
heres our site---> www.shadowsofdeath.net
heres a link directly to the clanners pictures --->
<!--QuoteBegin--Dirty Harry Potter+Aug 2 2003, 08:25 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Dirty Harry Potter @ Aug 2 2003, 08:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> yea that sig is just "SLIGHTY" too big...
luckily this happened to Denmark yet, or maybe i just have to go outside more, well i don't remember anyone dressing as wh0res, teh only "prob" i've stumbled upon is those shirts where you can see some of the belly, and i only remember fatties wearing those :/ <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> just though i add a update - i havent been outside for some time..... yesterday i just got a taste of the outside world again @_@ TEH SUNLIGHT BURRNNSSSSSSSSSHHH! we dont have wh0re liek girls - my knowlegde of teh wh0re look is from wierdo talkshows (jerry springer stuff) - but we got snobs and most girls are parteh animals, which is kinda a barrier to meh. /me ponders of to Far Far away country where parties are unheard of but comps are all over D:
oh and some guys have reduced intelligence to the words Drunk, Weekend, us o_O
QuaunautThe longest seven days in history...Join Date: 2003-03-21Member: 14759Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
Jin-Roh: Where the hell have you been living? I personally of all people know not to judge someone on how they look, because I've gotten proved wrong WAY too many tiems when I was MUCH younger. I understand that girls in skimpy clothing can have great personalities, my only thing is, is why can't they try and SHOW US the personalities, instead of showing off their bodies? I'd rather see a VERY CUTE girl ANYDAY more than a girl that just wants to have sex with me. Why? Because I have morals that have shaped my personality to the point of only wanting a TRUE relationship with a girl. And frankly, with clothes being so important to girls, you'd think they would wear more of them <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Sirus: I live in Cali too, so I feel ya. Yup guys, over here, even in central/northern cali where I'm at, people insist on looking "in" and if they don't, many become a part of the "out" group, which isn't bad, being that the "out" group is a lot better than the "in", because everyone is real, has a personality, and THATS where you make friends if you don't have a family with 9 billion damned dollars(lot of rich people in cali...lot of poor, too).
Guys, I may just be speaking for myself right now, but I'm not so shallow that I'd judge ANYBODY on their looks/clothes, OR that I would judge by first impressions. I just think that, well, like someone(I forgot) said earlier, clothes are one of the few things girls DO have control over, and what do they do? Decide to abuse it, and practically not wear any.
ya know, it's all pretty simple... if you don't like girls dressing too sexxxy, don't look at em. if the way they dress reflects their personalities, that's ok. if it doesn't, that's ok too.
I personally think it's a joke how much time people waste trying to look like magazine pictures, when in reality, that's not even what all men think is sexy. magazines and TV train women to think a certain image is pretty and train men to think it's pretty as well, but both women and men with half a brain decide what is pretty on their own. I've turned my brain off to advertisements for my whole life, and the result is a taste in women much more akin to the taste impressionist painters like renoir had... if you're gonna let cultural input tell you what's pretty, shouldn't people feel stupid that they listen to corporate propaganda rather than art?
the way people dress reflects the way they want to be looked at. dressing revealingly denotes a certain level of confidence and desire to be looked at, and desire to be superficially admired or...desired. it can kinda be looked at like a mating call -- some birds' plumage gets brighter during mating season... you get the idea. the fact that media images are making 12 year olds dress like this is pretty messed up. I don't even know what to suggest, besides parents taking attention away from censoring the violence kids look at and instead try to shape the way they look at the world... though half the time it's the parents who have their newborns' ears pierced, etc... eh, all I can say is that history repeats itself and I hope we have another cultural renaissance coming to us soon...
<!--QuoteBegin--OttoDestruct+Aug 1 2003, 08:55 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (OttoDestruct @ Aug 1 2003, 08:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> 1) You should be drug out in the street and shot for thinking dream could ever be cool
2) Whats funnier is when the skimpy girls complain that people call them sl00ts <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Dave Chapelle's one hour HBO stand up explained this the best of all. These aren't his exact words, but they are as close as I can recall.
A woman walked past me and my buddies in a bar wearing a tight shirt with a plunging neckline showing her titties and I'm weak so I yelled out. "DAMN look at tem titties!!"
"Excuse me-" gives him the hand. "just because I dress like this doesn't make me a ****." Remember fellas she's not a ****, she's just wearing a ****'s uniform. It's confusing for men because we have to learn the difference between a **** and a woman in a ****'s uniform. Now this is as if to say if I were walking down the street, in a dressed as a policeman and someone ran up to me.
"Officer Officer! He's been shot help me!"
"Excuse me. Just cause I dress like a cop don't mean I'm a cop."
And the total of women that read this thread and your post is about, two. So don't expect much feedback from the opposite gender. Plus the ones that dress like that probably think we're all nerds anyway so our opinions are void.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Jin-Roh: Where the hell have you been living? I personally of all people know not to judge someone on how they look, because I've gotten proved wrong WAY too many tiems when I was MUCH younger. I understand that girls in skimpy clothing can have great personalities, my only thing is, is why can't they try and SHOW US the personalities, instead of showing off their bodies? I'd rather see a VERY CUTE girl ANYDAY more than a girl that just wants to have sex with me. Why? Because I have morals that have shaped my personality to the point of only wanting a TRUE relationship with a girl. And frankly, with clothes being so important to girls, you'd think they would wear more of them <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
well see, you started off well... but the <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->more than a girl that just wants to have sex with me.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> part messed it up. how do you know she wants to have sex with you? just because she DRESSES that way? i know that's not what you're assuming, you said so yourself you don't read people by their appearance. so i must have missed something. feel free to explain ~,~
edit: like i said before in a reply that got drowned (or was too deep and true for anyone to reject... heheh), you just have to <i>COPE</i>, or you're a hypocrite!
why do girls these days wear so little clothing!? it leaves too little to the imagination!!
why do moves these days have such spankass awesome special effects!? it leaves too little to the imagination!
see any similarity? times are just <i>changing</i>.. happens that way. you only live once.. so try to look past it, and live it happy.. =\
I'm going to throw my opinion on here...even though it's the end and no one will read it anyway... :
To find someone totally attractive I have 3 small criteria; appearance, intelligence and personality.
Appearance is almost definately the first thing you'll notice, since I consider myself to be extremely wierd, I don't think my opinion of peoples looks matter. In example: My sister says Angelina Jolie is good looking, most men like how she looks, I gave her multiple reasons. She'll also be watching MTV (which I completely and utterly disdain in any form, I can't even stand hearing it...gah), and she'll say, "That girl is a slut." ...I'll have no idea which one she's talking about. <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo-->
Intelligence is something you can discover in a clandestine manner, but works best if you actually talk to someone. What's the point of going out with someone, or even talking with someone if they have the intelligence of a door knob, or if they're misinformed about everything, if their opinion's have no base? It's frustrating and boring, that's about it.
Personality is something I've found that most people sort of disregard. They'll take the opinions or stereotypes pushed on to a particular person (such as from their family or friends) to decide how their personality *probably* is. You can only get this by observing someone (try holding a conversation <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> ) for yourself in a fairly objective state. If someone says to you, "Leave me alone" You have to think over the fact that they may be having a bad day or something. This also doesn't really work with celebrities...
In 18 years (yea...that's how old I am...) I've found one person that fulfilled these criteria exceptionally well to me. She was beautiful (to me, I thought she was the best looking girl in school, but I doubt anyone else did). Even though she was a foreign exchange student she was more intelligent than at least 3/4's of the people at my school. She had a very quirky, wierd...entertaining and fun personality. To bad for me she was a foreign exchange student who I'm pretty much guarenteed to never see again <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> (ich hasse mein Leben..parts of it anway).
(Don't ask how this worked exactly, but it happened) I was in study hall, and the TV was on, there was a commercial on comedy central about the playboy mansion and (A girl, a friend of the one mention above...we'll call her Girl 1 and the one above Girl 2). She said, "Matthias (that being my name in german, and I was one of the only high german class students there...), you shouldn't be watching that kind of thing!" Without thinking about it my reply was, "Honestly, I think you and Girl 2 are a lot better looking." (my vocabulary isn't exactly on par with my writing when I'm talking).
I have no idea why the media tries to sell sex. I, completely truthfully, do not find most of them very attractive. I could find 5 people that look better at my high school for every 1 celebrity that is actually good looking.
Then again, I am one of the wierdest people you'll ever know about. I wear a T-shirt and jeans, since they're the most comfortable thing you can wear (name brands are stupid too..."lemme pay for your advertising, company!"). I got a 28 on my ACT's after a night with 4 hours of sleep...didn't feel inclined to take them again...of all the universities I could go to I take UWSP..ahaha). I listen to things, such as Nena in german, tatu in russian, matchbox 20, red hot chilli peppers and eminem (the only rap I'll go near...ever, and only some of it). I dispise rap and country <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> . I also don't believe in a 'self-esteem', pah. So...don't listen to me. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Holy crap that's a lot of writing(lots of ()'s too).
Okay... so some people actually think that the people who dress in short skirts and baby tees don't want to be noticed, and aren't more likely to flirt and sleep around than those who don't wear such clothing? Let's make this line of thought work against an extreme example.
Let's pretend you see a woman only wearing a sandwich board with the words "I WANT TO KISS EVERY MAN IN THE CITY" emblazoned on the front and back. Do you mean to tell me that what she is wearing has nothing to do with her personality? If you truly feel this way, why don't you ask some women on the street to wear one of these sandwich boards? I am pretty certain you wouldn't get many takers.
What people wear definitely bears some relation to what their personality is. There are some out there who are too shallow to make their own opinions on dressing styles, certainly. Personally I would avoid such people, since they can't make up their minds on who they are. There are also some people who dress differently, but act totally the opposite of the stereotype accompanied by that type of clothing. Once again, I find this due to the person's overall uncertainty of his or her own personality. If the person feels that to maintain a social status, he or she has to dress contrary to his or her own personality, something is wrong.
Morally, I find it wrong for young girls to wear the clothing with which this thread is dealing. I also find that it's morally wrong for teenage girls to wear the clothing that most typically wear today. Despite what some say here, most people do judge a book by the cover, as the cliché goes. What people wear does make a statement. Even though it might not be a conscious statement, it is definitely being broad-casted.
ThansalThe New ScumJoin Date: 2002-08-22Member: 1215Members, Constellation
ok, I am a 20 yr old guy from NYC (jsut to give perspective)
I have always been a member of the 'out group' and I am a strong disbaliever in 'The cloathes make the man/woman'
Simply enugh I know many many girls who dress is minimal/suggestive outfit and do NOTHING more then flirt. And on the other hand I know a decent number who dress 'normaly' and will screw anything that moves (ok thats an overstatment but it sound good <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->)
I see nothing 'moraly wrong' with skimpy outfits. Sleaping around and such, yes something wrongthere (just plain sex IS NOT BAD! There is nothing wrong with Sex) As for girls wearing these types of cloathes: Most of them DO want to be knowticed, they LIKE flirtting, but many of them draw the line there. There is again nothing wrong with flirting, it is simply girls enjoying ussing their powers of boys to mess with them (again nothing wrong with that, so long as it stays as fun, wich I generaly does). This type of behavior does not lead tobeing promiscuous automaticly. (infact many of the girls that I know like that are just the revers and are not going to have sex anytime soon).
As for dressing in one style but not conforming to the stereotypes? GOOD I often view that as a statment many of my friends wore trench coats well before the tragedy at Coloumbine, and after my friends started getting harased for thier style of dress more of my friends dressed that way as a statment, We are perfectly fine, we are not killers, don't abuse us for our style of dress.
again, judging some one by there cloathes is a horrible mistake.
<!--QuoteBegin--Thansal+Aug 11 2003, 11:07 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Thansal @ Aug 11 2003, 11:07 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Simply enugh I know many many girls who dress is minimal/suggestive outfit and do NOTHING more then flirt. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> That's the problem right there! You can't dress like a prostitute, act like a prostitute, but expect to be treated like a school teacher! It's just not going to happen!
What I'm saying is that I want to see more women with more wholesome values that don't wear clothes that suggest that they are literally selling themselves.
QuaunautThe longest seven days in history...Join Date: 2003-03-21Member: 14759Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
edited August 2003
<!--QuoteBegin--Jin-Roh+Aug 11 2003, 02:15 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Jin-Roh @ Aug 11 2003, 02:15 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->more than a girl that just wants to have sex with me.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> part messed it up. how do you know she wants to have sex with you? just because she DRESSES that way? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> She told me in the middle of the date she wanted to have sex. I politely got up, didn't say anything, and proceeded to walk home.
-edit- I think many of you are starting to forget my point, too...
Why in the solid hell do we need 10-24 year old girls dressing with less clothes in the important areas than there is in the non-important? I mean, I'm all for a girl looking sexy, or something like that, but when a girl is wearing a top that not only shows off the bellybutton(nothing wrong with that), but shows ALL THE WAY UP and just stops under her breasts, she's practically BEGGING to get molested. And so many people wonder why more and more "young" girls are getting molested. When someone is already into the deep end, dressing that way doesn't exactly help the situation.
i guess... that my conclusion is that most of us are young... who've divulged our ages, at least. whenever i complain or talk about things like this with my older friends, all they say is this: you have to wait for people to develop. and i think it's very true. for every one of those girls who dresses skimpy and is too adventurous, there are probably 10 guys here in california (the white jock party boy type) who're completely ready to take advantage. yes, that's a personality defect. i think that you just have to wait for the real person inside them to come through, with age. takes time, i guess.
<!--QuoteBegin--Quaunaut+Aug 11 2003, 10:40 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Quaunaut @ Aug 11 2003, 10:40 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> She told me in the middle of the date she wanted to have sex. I politely got up, didn't say anything, and proceeded to walk home. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> On what planet is that considered polite? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> The least you could do is tell her you're in the seminary...
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Do you see where I am coming from? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well I'm not speaking in concrete "this is exactly who are at all times and you can have no other charictaristics" terms here, so I see where you're coming from, and I hereby declare myself out of this debate because this seems to be a good point to end it.
Every time I see a music video from a girl, or a girl group, what is the main selling point?
Sex.
My God, what is the world coming to. When I go to school, I don't see the "cute" girls anymore. I see girls that wanna dress like prostitutes.
The main line all these women carry? "I wanna show I'm grown up"
The main line the guys carry about it? "Ooh...big...breasts...nice...curves...must...ogle..."
I'm seriously getting **** here about all of this. First it was Britney Spears. Then Christina Aguilera. Then the black female artists started getting in on it. Just 5 minutes ago, I saw the one group I thought would be really cool- Dream -do a video that had more indications of them wanting to have sex. The subject line for it put out by them? "Were all grown up now".
This has led me to ask all the women that read this...
What do you think grown up means? And don't just point out to me that all I've named is big stars- girls in schools now are doing it too. Its ridiculous. Every time I turn the corner-ope, another tight-fitting shirt. Every time I see a girl these days, I think to myself "what a slut". Its really making me mad, being I'm the kind of guy that wants a girl based on her personality, not her ****.
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I like the ways girls dress....Define a cute girl.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->"Ooh...big...breasts...nice...curves...must...ogle..."<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'><span style='color:orange'>HELL YEAH!</span></span>
I think your thread should win "stupidest thread of the year"
We're in the 20's where it was considered outrageous for girls to show their ankles and knees. Times are changing! and ****, if girls want to dress in revealing clothing, I cannot complain. You shouldn't either, unless your a feminist, and if you are, please don't post about it.
i think everyone that has this weird problem of not being able to see past what people are wearing
needs
to f*cking <i><b>COPE</b></i>
<i>THINK</i> about it.. if other people can have meaningful relationships by looking past the superficial, what are <i>you</i> doing wrong?
if you're not completely serious about this, then it's just spewing self-righteous <i>crap</i> like kiddy anti-american crap.
if you can't see past the mistakes our country is making, then GET OUT... right?
so if you can't see past the choices other people make about their appearances, STOP LOOKING.
I don't know what you're talking about with cute girls at Berkeley. There ain't that many, but then again maybe I'm just spoiled. :-p (But at least that's what people at Cal say).
As for girls dressing slutty being sluts, and girls dressing conservatively being prudes, I've found that often times you'd be surprised.
You may not be able to fathom it, but girls can feel sexually repressed too. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> I know a lot of girls who dress provocatively not because they have lots of sex, but rather the lack thereof. Now, this lack thereof can come from many reasons: fear of relationships (common at Berkeley), religion, unattractiveness, or simply low self-esteem. In any case, however, they make up for their repression by dressing provocatively. Many of the sexually healthy girls that I know dress far more conservatively.
At least, that's what I've observed.
Rhuadin
I don't hang out around Soda Hall either! I avoid that place with a vengeance. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
As for why girls object to guys making crude remarks about them when they dress provocatively -- it's because they're not used to dealing with that sort of thing, if you believe what I said about them being the ones who are sexually repressed.
Rhuadin
--Jane
Alright. First of all. The current fashion is pretty much just the social norm. Very few people think about it, they just kind of go with the flow. Girls wear what's in because that's what they feel they are expected to do, and for the most part, they're right, the whole societal scene, ie. Television, school cliques and other societal "norms" encourage them to do so.
So lets just establish this, yes, it's all very petty and shallow sometimes. But understand this, just because they may dress a certain way doesn't necessarily mean they are "cheap" and "easy". Then we're just being petty ourselves.
Either way. Every male that doesn't respect women sickens me. Literally, to think that just because someone would dress a certain way would make you even think to call them prostitutes disturbs me, even further, guys who encourage it because it turns them on further disgusts me.
I would just encourage that everyone just think about why things are rather than thinking about why things bother you. Try not to be so shallow. Don't be weak and cave into being judgemental purely on what they wear.
Heh..
Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah...
I could say a million things on the subject
amen
it's mostly the attitude that goes with it
i'm a girl myself and thank <!--emo&::fade::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/fade.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='fade.gif'><!--endemo--> i don't dress like everyone else.
Usually just baggy clothes, whatever i feel comfortable in.
If people want to dress "slutty" i don't treat em any better or worse than other human beeings. It's the attitude that changes my perspective on em
-Jane <!--emo&::skulk::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/skulk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='skulk.gif'><!--endemo-->
if a girl wears [outfit] and some guy says [something]
that proves <i>only</i> that the guy was capable of saying [something]
the way a person thinks doesn't necessarily manifest itself in their fashion sense.
duh.
-Jane <!--emo&::skulk::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/skulk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='skulk.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> i do have a life. NS i play at night. cept friday nights and sunday nights.i sqeeze playing NS and maybe slipping in a few CAL matches. once and awhile when i find time. and i DO not dress like a fashion reject. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> i have a VERY busy life. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> there is a line between dressing sluty and dressing sexy. you can look cute and appealing without looking sluty or revealing. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> just in most cases they seem to dress sluty, but there is a differance. you can look nice being completely covered up. sad to say i think alot of girls dress sluty to make themselves feel better. i would mension my reason for thinking this but i wouldnt want to offend anyone. ill just put it this way. that its disusting for a girl to dress revealing in all cases but sometimes you see people who REALLY shouldnt wear some of that stuff. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> i think at least some of you will get what i mean. anyhow i like dressing cute and fashion minded. but i dont spend hours trying to look perfect. i could care less cause i know that there isnt anyone to impress. in that way you attract the wron kind of guys. so its pointless really. i mean look nice but not sloppy. kept up and cute. its futile trying to be look good all the time. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> but its also the personality that goes with. some people who you think look sluty may be completely differant. so you really dont know unless you talk to them. go on our website to see a picture of me and the rest of the clanners <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> and if you wanna search around. and check out our site.
heres our site---> www.shadowsofdeath.net
heres a link directly to the clanners pictures --->
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I still prefer the cute look.
luckily this happened to Denmark yet, or maybe i just have to go outside more, well i don't remember anyone dressing as wh0res, teh only "prob" i've stumbled upon is those shirts where you can see some of the belly, and i only remember fatties wearing those :/ <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
just though i add a update - i havent been outside for some time..... yesterday i just got a taste of the outside world again @_@ TEH SUNLIGHT BURRNNSSSSSSSSSHHH!
we dont have wh0re liek girls - my knowlegde of teh wh0re look is from wierdo talkshows (jerry springer stuff) - but we got snobs and most girls are parteh animals, which is kinda a barrier to meh. /me ponders of to Far Far away country where parties are unheard of but comps are all over D:
oh and some guys have reduced intelligence to the words Drunk, Weekend, us o_O
Sirus: I live in Cali too, so I feel ya. Yup guys, over here, even in central/northern cali where I'm at, people insist on looking "in" and if they don't, many become a part of the "out" group, which isn't bad, being that the "out" group is a lot better than the "in", because everyone is real, has a personality, and THATS where you make friends if you don't have a family with 9 billion damned dollars(lot of rich people in cali...lot of poor, too).
Guys, I may just be speaking for myself right now, but I'm not so shallow that I'd judge ANYBODY on their looks/clothes, OR that I would judge by first impressions. I just think that, well, like someone(I forgot) said earlier, clothes are one of the few things girls DO have control over, and what do they do? Decide to abuse it, and practically not wear any.
I personally think it's a joke how much time people waste trying to look like magazine pictures, when in reality, that's not even what all men think is sexy. magazines and TV train women to think a certain image is pretty and train men to think it's pretty as well, but both women and men with half a brain decide what is pretty on their own. I've turned my brain off to advertisements for my whole life, and the result is a taste in women much more akin to the taste impressionist painters like renoir had... if you're gonna let cultural input tell you what's pretty, shouldn't people feel stupid that they listen to corporate propaganda rather than art?
the way people dress reflects the way they want to be looked at. dressing revealingly denotes a certain level of confidence and desire to be looked at, and desire to be superficially admired or...desired. it can kinda be looked at like a mating call -- some birds' plumage gets brighter during mating season... you get the idea. the fact that media images are making 12 year olds dress like this is pretty messed up. I don't even know what to suggest, besides parents taking attention away from censoring the violence kids look at and instead try to shape the way they look at the world... though half the time it's the parents who have their newborns' ears pierced, etc... eh, all I can say is that history repeats itself and I hope we have another cultural renaissance coming to us soon...
2) Whats funnier is when the skimpy girls complain that people call them sl00ts <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Dave Chapelle's one hour HBO stand up explained this the best of all. These aren't his exact words, but they are as close as I can recall.
A woman walked past me and my buddies in a bar wearing a tight shirt with a plunging neckline showing her titties and I'm weak so I yelled out. "DAMN look at tem titties!!"
"Excuse me-" gives him the hand. "just because I dress like this doesn't make me a ****." Remember fellas she's not a ****, she's just wearing a ****'s uniform. It's confusing for men because we have to learn the difference between a **** and a woman in a ****'s uniform. Now this is as if to say if I were walking down the street, in a dressed as a policeman and someone ran up to me.
"Officer Officer! He's been shot help me!"
"Excuse me. Just cause I dress like a cop don't mean I'm a cop."
And the total of women that read this thread and your post is about, two. So don't expect much feedback from the opposite gender. Plus the ones that dress like that probably think we're all nerds anyway so our opinions are void.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Jin-Roh: Where the hell have you been living? I personally of all people know not to judge someone on how they look, because I've gotten proved wrong WAY too many tiems when I was MUCH younger. I understand that girls in skimpy clothing can have great personalities, my only thing is, is why can't they try and SHOW US the personalities, instead of showing off their bodies? I'd rather see a VERY CUTE girl ANYDAY more than a girl that just wants to have sex with me. Why? Because I have morals that have shaped my personality to the point of only wanting a TRUE relationship with a girl. And frankly, with clothes being so important to girls, you'd think they would wear more of them <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
well see, you started off well... but the <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->more than a girl that just wants to have sex with me.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> part messed it up. how do you know she wants to have sex with you? just because she DRESSES that way? i know that's not what you're assuming, you said so yourself you don't read people by their appearance. so i must have missed something. feel free to explain ~,~
edit: like i said before in a reply that got drowned (or was too deep and true for anyone to reject... heheh), you just have to <i>COPE</i>, or you're a hypocrite!
why do girls these days wear so little clothing!? it leaves too little to the imagination!!
why do moves these days have such spankass awesome special effects!? it leaves too little to the imagination!
see any similarity? times are just <i>changing</i>.. happens that way. you only live once.. so try to look past it, and live it happy.. =\
To find someone totally attractive I have 3 small criteria; appearance, intelligence and personality.
Appearance is almost definately the first thing you'll notice, since I consider myself to be extremely wierd, I don't think my opinion of peoples looks matter. In example: My sister says Angelina Jolie is good looking, most men like how she looks, I gave her multiple reasons. She'll also be watching MTV (which I completely and utterly disdain in any form, I can't even stand hearing it...gah), and she'll say, "That girl is a slut." ...I'll have no idea which one she's talking about. <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo-->
Intelligence is something you can discover in a clandestine manner, but works best if you actually talk to someone. What's the point of going out with someone, or even talking with someone if they have the intelligence of a door knob, or if they're misinformed about everything, if their opinion's have no base? It's frustrating and boring, that's about it.
Personality is something I've found that most people sort of disregard. They'll take the opinions or stereotypes pushed on to a particular person (such as from their family or friends) to decide how their personality *probably* is. You can only get this by observing someone (try holding a conversation <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> ) for yourself in a fairly objective state. If someone says to you, "Leave me alone" You have to think over the fact that they may be having a bad day or something. This also doesn't really work with celebrities...
In 18 years (yea...that's how old I am...) I've found one person that fulfilled these criteria exceptionally well to me. She was beautiful (to me, I thought she was the best looking girl in school, but I doubt anyone else did). Even though she was a foreign exchange student she was more intelligent than at least 3/4's of the people at my school. She had a very quirky, wierd...entertaining and fun personality. To bad for me she was a foreign exchange student who I'm pretty much guarenteed to never see again <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> (ich hasse mein Leben..parts of it anway).
(Don't ask how this worked exactly, but it happened) I was in study hall, and the TV was on, there was a commercial on comedy central about the playboy mansion and (A girl, a friend of the one mention above...we'll call her Girl 1 and the one above Girl 2). She said, "Matthias (that being my name in german, and I was one of the only high german class students there...), you shouldn't be watching that kind of thing!" Without thinking about it my reply was, "Honestly, I think you and Girl 2 are a lot better looking." (my vocabulary isn't exactly on par with my writing when I'm talking).
I have no idea why the media tries to sell sex. I, completely truthfully, do not find most of them very attractive. I could find 5 people that look better at my high school for every 1 celebrity that is actually good looking.
Then again, I am one of the wierdest people you'll ever know about. I wear a T-shirt and jeans, since they're the most comfortable thing you can wear (name brands are stupid too..."lemme pay for your advertising, company!"). I got a 28 on my ACT's after a night with 4 hours of sleep...didn't feel inclined to take them again...of all the universities I could go to I take UWSP..ahaha). I listen to things, such as Nena in german, tatu in russian, matchbox 20, red hot chilli peppers and eminem (the only rap I'll go near...ever, and only some of it). I dispise rap and country <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> . I also don't believe in a 'self-esteem', pah. So...don't listen to me. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Holy crap that's a lot of writing(lots of ()'s too).
Listening to: Bad Sneakers, by the Push Stars
Let's pretend you see a woman only wearing a sandwich board with the words "I WANT TO KISS EVERY MAN IN THE CITY" emblazoned on the front and back. Do you mean to tell me that what she is wearing has nothing to do with her personality? If you truly feel this way, why don't you ask some women on the street to wear one of these sandwich boards? I am pretty certain you wouldn't get many takers.
What people wear definitely bears some relation to what their personality is. There are some out there who are too shallow to make their own opinions on dressing styles, certainly. Personally I would avoid such people, since they can't make up their minds on who they are. There are also some people who dress differently, but act totally the opposite of the stereotype accompanied by that type of clothing. Once again, I find this due to the person's overall uncertainty of his or her own personality. If the person feels that to maintain a social status, he or she has to dress contrary to his or her own personality, something is wrong.
Morally, I find it wrong for young girls to wear the clothing with which this thread is dealing. I also find that it's morally wrong for teenage girls to wear the clothing that most typically wear today. Despite what some say here, most people do judge a book by the cover, as the cliché goes. What people wear does make a statement. Even though it might not be a conscious statement, it is definitely being broad-casted.
I have always been a member of the 'out group'
and I am a strong disbaliever in 'The cloathes make the man/woman'
Simply enugh I know many many girls who dress is minimal/suggestive outfit and do NOTHING more then flirt.
And on the other hand I know a decent number who dress 'normaly' and will screw anything that moves (ok thats an overstatment but it sound good <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->)
I see nothing 'moraly wrong' with skimpy outfits. Sleaping around and such, yes something wrongthere (just plain sex IS NOT BAD! There is nothing wrong with Sex)
As for girls wearing these types of cloathes:
Most of them DO want to be knowticed, they LIKE flirtting, but many of them draw the line there. There is again nothing wrong with flirting, it is simply girls enjoying ussing their powers of boys to mess with them (again nothing wrong with that, so long as it stays as fun, wich I generaly does). This type of behavior does not lead tobeing promiscuous automaticly. (infact many of the girls that I know like that are just the revers and are not going to have sex anytime soon).
As for dressing in one style but not conforming to the stereotypes? GOOD I often view that as a statment
many of my friends wore trench coats well before the tragedy at Coloumbine, and after my friends started getting harased for thier style of dress more of my friends dressed that way as a statment, We are perfectly fine, we are not killers, don't abuse us for our style of dress.
again, judging some one by there cloathes is a horrible mistake.
That's the problem right there! You can't dress like a prostitute, act like a prostitute, but expect to be treated like a school teacher! It's just not going to happen!
What I'm saying is that I want to see more women with more wholesome values that don't wear clothes that suggest that they are literally selling themselves.
She told me in the middle of the date she wanted to have sex. I politely got up, didn't say anything, and proceeded to walk home.
-edit- I think many of you are starting to forget my point, too...
Why in the solid hell do we need 10-24 year old girls dressing with less clothes in the important areas than there is in the non-important? I mean, I'm all for a girl looking sexy, or something like that, but when a girl is wearing a top that not only shows off the bellybutton(nothing wrong with that), but shows ALL THE WAY UP and just stops under her breasts, she's practically BEGGING to get molested. And so many people wonder why more and more "young" girls are getting molested. When someone is already into the deep end, dressing that way doesn't exactly help the situation.
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On what planet is that considered polite? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> The least you could do is tell her you're in the seminary...