<!--QuoteBegin--MedHead+Aug 11 2003, 09:17 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MedHead @ Aug 11 2003, 09:17 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> What I'm saying is that I want to see more women with more wholesome values that don't wear clothes that suggest that they are literally selling themselves. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> What I'm saying is that if I never hear the phrase "wholesome values" again it'll be too soon. <img src='http://www.gamers-forums.com/smilies/contrib/blackeye/reading.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image'>
The perception that girls in a given type of outfit are "selling themselves" is in the eye of the beholder. That impression may be intended, it may not. Don't be so quick to project your own perverse value system ("all girls who wear tube tops are prostitutes and/or want to have sex with me") onto others.
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<!--QuoteBegin--[p4]Samwise+Aug 11 2003, 03:16 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ([p4]Samwise @ Aug 11 2003, 03:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Quaunaut+Aug 11 2003, 10:40 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Quaunaut @ Aug 11 2003, 10:40 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> She told me in the middle of the date she wanted to have sex. I politely got up, didn't say anything, and proceeded to walk home. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> On what planet is that considered polite? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> The least you could do is tell her you're in the seminary... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Its polite because if I said what I wanted to, you'd be saying I'm a ****.
I think it was probably the most polite thing I could have done, while still insulting her.
Girls who dress in revealing clothing aren't neccessarily sluts. They may dress that way because they feel comfortable with their bodies and the way they look. At the same time, they may dress that way to get the attention of an man they maybe be attracted to. It's like the old saying goes, don't judge a book by its cover.
<!--QuoteBegin--Quaunaut+Aug 11 2003, 03:20 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Quaunaut @ Aug 11 2003, 03:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I think it was probably the most polite thing I could have done, while still insulting her. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> By definition, if you're trying to insult her, you're not being polite.
The gentlemanly thing to do would have been to politely explain that you weren't interested, but that she's a very attractive young lady and she shouldn't take it personally. Or something like that. The goal here is to treat her like a human being - her only crimes were to have a different attitude toward sex than you do, and to be forthright with you.
Rejecting someone in a manner calculated to make her feel like crap, and then acting self-righteous about it... blah.
<!--QuoteBegin--Quaunaut+Aug 11 2003, 06:20 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Quaunaut @ Aug 11 2003, 06:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--[p4]Samwise+Aug 11 2003, 03:16 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ([p4]Samwise @ Aug 11 2003, 03:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Quaunaut+Aug 11 2003, 10:40 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Quaunaut @ Aug 11 2003, 10:40 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> She told me in the middle of the date she wanted to have sex. I politely got up, didn't say anything, and proceeded to walk home. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> On what planet is that considered polite? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> The least you could do is tell her you're in the seminary... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Its polite because if I said what I wanted to, you'd be saying I'm a ****.
I think it was probably the most polite thing I could have done, while still insulting her.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Maybe she was just an attention ****, but maybe you were putting something off that made her think you wanted to get some eh? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--Renegade+--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Renegade)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I will now put forth my arguement:
Girls who dress in revealing clothing aren't neccessarily sluts. They may dress that way because they feel comfortable with their bodies and the way they look. At the same time, they may dress that way to get the attention of an man they maybe be attracted to. It's like the old saying goes, don't judge a book by its cover. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Im assuming you haven't been unfortunate enough to have seen a 350 pound powder white man in a speedo at the beach? He was comfortable with his body. Obviously though, many people would have prefered he keep that to himself. On the same note, just because a girl is comfortable with their body dosen't mean they need to dress up in what many people's opinions, looks like a ****'s work uniform.
Most girls who seem so eager to have sex, or dress provocativly, have alot of emotional baggage. One girl I knew used to hang out in a mapping channel, she didn't play HL or even map, she did it for the attention. Some of the pics she sent around were pretty crazy, and as somone who talked to her on the phone many times, she had more baggage then a fashion diva.
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<!--QuoteBegin--Quaunaut+Aug 11 2003, 03:20 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Quaunaut @ Aug 11 2003, 03:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I think it was probably the most polite thing I could have done, while still insulting her. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> "Why?" or you could have been casual and made little jokes about it.
<!--QuoteBegin--Liku+Aug 11 2003, 07:12 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Liku @ Aug 11 2003, 07:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Quaunaut+Aug 11 2003, 03:20 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Quaunaut @ Aug 11 2003, 03:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I think it was probably the most polite thing I could have done, while still insulting her. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> "Why?" or you could have been casual and made little jokes about it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> If she wants to have sex with somone she barely knows whats to stop her from cheating on him with some other guy she barely knows? Hell, she could have cheated on him with...ME!
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<!--QuoteBegin--[p4]Samwise+Aug 11 2003, 05:16 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ([p4]Samwise @ Aug 11 2003, 05:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Quaunaut+Aug 11 2003, 10:40 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Quaunaut @ Aug 11 2003, 10:40 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> She told me in the middle of the date she wanted to have sex. I politely got up, didn't say anything, and proceeded to walk home. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> On what planet is that considered polite? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> The least you could do is tell her you're in the seminary... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I agree completely, you don't have to act like an **** to make the fact that you do not want to have sex in a relationship known.
Wait, wait, wait. Let me get you right, some of you GUYS think that GIRLS (see the connection there) shouldn't dress in revealing clothing, even if they are fit/fine/attractive? If you are so desperate that every time you see a girl you can't help but think about having sex with them, I mean come on you can admire the view without losing your train of thought completely.
I mean get a life!!! go wank some more if you cant get sex off the mind, I mean what are you going todo if you ever get to kiss a girl!!! <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/nerd.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd.gif'><!--endemo--> .
Yeah girls are dressing like that to look attractive but it doesn't mean they want to have sex with every guy they see.
(ps, please take this in the light hearted manner it was intended)
Ok I think most people are getting the entire wrong point of this thread. The keyword is girls. Meaning young girls, in high school or less, wearing little more than a belt for a skirt, or a wash cloth for a shirt. And I made a comment earlier about Abercrombie producing a thong intended for 6 year olds. It wasnt meant to be a pedophile comment, it was meant to show that clothing lines are targeting VERY young children to dress as scantily as they possibly can.
The original post actually used the word "women" at one point - he was bemoaning skimpy clothing on ALL females.
Thongs on 6 year olds - yes, that's a little weird-seeming, I suppose. But really, it's only sexual if YOU look at it and think it is. In some countries, people go nude, including and especially young children. Is it sexual and depraved? No. It's only as depraved as the person looking at it.
Which is the point Jabba was making. If you're so pent-up that you can't look at a girl (of any age) in a thong without having impure thoughts, that's pretty much your problem, not hers. Try to keep it to yourself.
<!--QuoteBegin--[p4]Samwise+Aug 11 2003, 05:22 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ([p4]Samwise @ Aug 11 2003, 05:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--MedHead+Aug 11 2003, 09:17 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MedHead @ Aug 11 2003, 09:17 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> What I'm saying is that I want to see more women with more wholesome values that don't wear clothes that suggest that they are literally selling themselves. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> What I'm saying is that if I never hear the phrase "wholesome values" again it'll be too soon. <img src='http://www.gamers-forums.com/smilies/contrib/blackeye/reading.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image'>
The perception that girls in a given type of outfit are "selling themselves" is in the eye of the beholder. That impression may be intended, it may not. Don't be so quick to project your own perverse value system ("all girls who wear tube tops are prostitutes and/or want to have sex with me") onto others. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> samwise put it down. listen to samwise.
<!--QuoteBegin--Jabba The Hunt+Aug 11 2003, 08:52 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Jabba The Hunt @ Aug 11 2003, 08:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Wait, wait, wait. Let me get you right, some of you GUYS think that GIRLS (see the connection there) shouldn't dress in revealing clothing, even if they are fit/fine/attractive? If you are so desperate that every time you see a girl you can't help but think about having sex with them, I mean come on you can admire the view without losing your train of thought completely.
I mean get a life!!! go wank some more if you cant get sex off the mind, I mean what are you going todo if you ever get to kiss a girl!!! <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/nerd.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd.gif'><!--endemo--> .
Yeah girls are dressing like that to look attractive but it doesn't mean they want to have sex with every guy they see.
(ps, please take this in the light hearted manner it was intended) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> same with you, hunt. damn straight. all of it.
maybe they're not dressing in shirts that could say "i wanna get b0ned"... you're just IMAGINING that they should say that. like i said before, and like i won't stop saying, times are just CHANGING... move to iraq or afghanistan.
How much more do they need to take off before it's considered to be too much? I think they're pretty bare already, but obviously it'll take some nudity to really drive it home, eh?
If it's perverse to have girls AND boys dress appropriately in public, and keep their bodies chaste for their marriage, then I think I'm the president of this perverse club.
After the marriage, it's up to the couple to decide. But when kids are young, peer pressure and overall uncertainty can do some terrible numbers on their brains. They need some moral values where none exist these days.
I just though of something while reading the above post. Were whining about scantily clad girls... on a message board.. devoted to a game where you try to kill each other. And were talking about morals. Er... riiiight.
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<!--QuoteBegin--OttoDestruct+Aug 11 2003, 08:47 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (OttoDestruct @ Aug 11 2003, 08:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I just though of something while reading the above post. Were whining about scantily clad girls... on a message board.. devoted to a game where you try to kill each other. And were talking about morals. Er... riiiight. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Hey, were not vicious brutes.
Were just morally right people who want to take out our aggressions against any random person, rather than someone we know.
The day will come when men and women will walk the earth completely naked expect for implanted communication devices. This is actually better than it seems because cosmetic surgery will be so mainstream that anything from face lifts to **** enlargements will cost less than the average prescription and will be covered in most government health plans. In the future, sex will be completely non-taboo and it will be available for all ages and through a variety of outlets both natural and unnatural.
<!--QuoteBegin--relsan+Aug 11 2003, 10:56 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (relsan @ Aug 11 2003, 10:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The day will come when men and women will walk the earth completely naked expect for implanted communication devices. This is actually better than it seems because cosmetic surgery will be so mainstream that anything from face lifts to **** enlargements will cost less than the average prescription and will be covered in most government health plans. In the future, sex will be completely non-taboo and it will be available for all ages and through a variety of outlets both natural and unnatural. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> That's my kind of future!
Med and Quau, I have this question for you: do you consider public nudity, in and of itself, to be immoral? Or do you feel that it's only immoral insofar as it might encourage immoral behavior in others?
Med, you seem to be deliberately missing the point of my post. It's not perverse for you to dress in a manner that you feel is inappropriate, or to dress your children in that manner. It IS a bit perverse for you to assume that anyone who does not share your fashion sense is a prostitute.
Quau, you define yourself as "morally right", implying that women who do not adhere to your fashion sense are "morally wrong." Whether or not you agree with me, do you at least see how some people could find that bothersome?
[edit]I'm veering off a bit here by saying "public nudity", but it's for the sake of brevity - if we establish our views on public nudity we can probably interpolate from there to the issue of skimpy clothing, which can reasonably be defined as partial public nudity.[/edit]
According to the first chapter of Genesis (yes, I'm a Bible thumper), the human body was originally made nude. It was sin that caused the guilt of showing that body (see Genesis 2, where Adam and Eve are ashamed at their nakedness), and the 'requirement' of clothes. Because of that, I don't feel there can truly be anyone in the world that doesn't see the naked body in a skewed view, and that we ourselves probably feel ashamed at being naked. Public exhibition is usually around because people like feeling 'naughty.'
Whereas you ask if wearing skimpy clothes is immoral if it encourages immoral behaviors in others, I'll take it a step further. I find it immoral of those who wear the clothes that know that they are wearing those clothes to illicit immoral thoughts or acts.
In other words, if the person wears the clothes to gain crude acts and attention, it is wrong. Now, some girls out there may not understand that what they are wearing causes the boys (and sadly, men) to become, er, "interested", but I doubt that. After seeing the same girls who are wearing the skimpy clothes flaunt their bodies in front of boys, I think they know perfectly well what they are doing.
I don't think we're going to get anywhere with our fashion opinions.
I find it very disturbing that it has been publicly accepted that children are permitted to wear clothing that barely covers their body, when there are some people out there who would kidnap those children and molest them. Teenage pregnancy is rising, yet parents don't stop to think that perhaps the reason why their teenage daughter is pregnant is because the parents have been setting up their child to think that flaunting herself is an acceptable trait! One cannot have it both ways. One cannot tell a child about abstinence, and then hand over the dental floss and tell them to get dressed. That would kinda screw up a kids mind, wouldn't it?
Firstly I would like to say that I disagree with any girls younger than 16 wearing inappropriate/revealing clothing, this is the responsiblity of the parents/guardian as it can cause problems espically when they look older than they actually are. (this post assumes that we are talking about girls aged 16 and above from this point onwards)
I am also a Christian, I feel this is important as it forms the basis of my moral beliefs.
I think the key point here is Choice, God gave us choice for a reason, he did not want a race of robots following his word because they were forced to, he wanted people to make up their own minds. Now to our society, the basic idea at the moment is that we allow everyone to do what they want while living within a moral framework (so, for example, almost 100% of people agree that murder is wrong, and therefore it is outlawed).
Now in relation to revealing clothing, if we still wish to maintain this freedom for everyone then we have to take full responsiblity for all our thoughts and actions, this means it is the fault of the person looking at the girl who should be responsible for their thoughts, whether or not the girl is wearing those clothers to provoke an inappropriate reaction from observer.
Basically the concept is that you are not responsible for societies actions and attitudes just for your own.
<!--QuoteBegin--relsan+Aug 12 2003, 04:56 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (relsan @ Aug 12 2003, 04:56 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The day will come when men and women will walk the earth completely naked expect for implanted communication devices. This is actually better than it seems because cosmetic surgery will be so mainstream that anything from face lifts to **** enlargements will cost less than the average prescription and will be covered in most government health plans. In the future, sex will be completely non-taboo and it will be available for all ages and through a variety of outlets both natural and unnatural. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> i sure as hell hope not.
since when was sex "taboo?"
if its avaliable to all ages, so i can go and **** a three year old?
you have some peverse view of the future
sex isn't taboo, its sacred. people are being conned into thinking sex is a datsun 900 with odd hubcaps. it not. its a porsche. its one of the most wonderful things on this earth, and its not to be abused
I've mostly avoided this conversation, but to be honest...
I have no problem with it. If a girl wants to cover her looks with cakes of makeup and has to show off that she has a slim stomach, I've got no problem with it. Why? Because some of them are really nice. I've got a friend, she feels the need to wear cutoff tops and miniskirts whenever she goes out, but she's still a really nice girl. I am not, however, interested in girls who ACT like s***s. Some people don't agree with the way I look. They say that I look really unfriendly, but guess what? That's not the way I am at all.
Basically... Please don't judge people based on their looks. Judge them by their attitude and their actions. Some people LIKE to wear revealing clothing. There are more reasons than just showing off their body.
<!--QuoteBegin--CForrester+Aug 12 2003, 01:51 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CForrester @ Aug 12 2003, 01:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I've mostly avoided this conversation, but to be honest...
I have no problem with it. If a girl wants to cover her looks with cakes of makeup and has to show off that she has a slim stomach, I've got no problem with it. Why? Because some of them are really nice. I've got a friend, she feels the need to wear cutoff tops and miniskirts whenever she goes out, but she's still a really nice girl. I am not, however, interested in girls who ACT like s***s. Some people don't agree with the way I look. They say that I look really unfriendly, but guess what? That's not the way I am at all.
Basically... Please don't judge people based on their looks. Judge them by their attitude and their actions. Some people LIKE to wear revealing clothing. There are more reasons than just showing off their body. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> exactly, we are far too concerned with outside apparences.
<!--QuoteBegin--dr.d+Aug 4 2003, 12:04 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (dr.d @ Aug 4 2003, 12:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'm really sick of this argument frankly. What makes you think how someone dresses or how much make up they wear has anything to do with their personality? A friend of mine was really self-conscious going through school and recently got into very good shape and now she wears clothes the reveal her midrif and usually tightly fitting jeans or shorts because she is proud of the way she looks now. She is very traditional in her dating habits, completely nice, and smarter than me (which is very rare). So saying someone is a dumb slut just because of the way they dress is so shallow it's not even funny. It takes work to look that good and sometimes it isn't for the reasons you think it's for, so don't jump to conclusions. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Med that quotes for you.
If your mind happens to be so single tracked and narrow that you can honestly make moral judgements about a person based on their dress code then I am sorry for you. Just because you have a purely subjective and opiniated way of looking at the world (religion does fall into the realm of opinion and furthermore should be inernalized and used for personal means and not projected onto the world as somekind of guideline for people to live by) doesn't mean it is in anyway justified. Thinking your opinions are law and 2000 year old fiction has some merit to guide your life leads to very close minded attitudes and the kind of people that bomb abortion clinics.
Get a grip and stop objectifying people, they have brains, and personalities believe it or not. And until such time that you actually take a moment to stop and talk to a person you have no right to judge them.
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dr. d, let me ask you something...
If you saw some girl walking down the street in bondage clothing, so it BARELY covers the ABSOLUTE REQUIREMENTS of the law, would you think thats morrally correct?
If you do, I'm sorry, your a idiot.
But if you don't, do you see what we mean? Eventually, its gonna lead to just that-girls wearing this clothing, and as one person mentioned earlier, more and more teenage pregnancies, and molestations.
Clothes do matter. You can dress abstract-I personally have no problems with that, nor do I think anyone else does.
But when i can see the damned bottom half of a girl's breast at my school, and there is no law saying she can't do that, and she BARELY turned 14 this year, am I not to get mad?
Also, Jabba, your wrong in quite a few places with your placement of the Bible. Its both the girl, AND the boy's fault. The girl, for flaunting the naughty bits, which IS a sin. It says STRAIGHT in the Bible that women are to be HUMBLE with their bodies. That doesn't mean dress in tons of clothes, it means let there be more cloth than flesh showing on you. It is NOT the boys fault for the image going into his mind- its when he COVETS that it becomes a sin(aka, he wants her in a luSUYFl way).
And yes, I know, that girls can be nice and all that in skimpy clothing. I'm not saying their not, or anything, and there is nothing wrong with middriff, or tight fitting jeans, or shorts. Its when the shorts get so short its endseam goes on the bikini line, and the top goes down so far I can see a few pubic hairs poking out(not attractive btw, just seen it a few times). Nor is there anything right about shirts that show off the bottom half, or the top half of a woman's breasts. They can show a bit of the top, but don't it shouldn't go down to the point that its starting to get into the actual nipple.
oh... dude, i know what you're talking about. with the pube action and everything. it's pretty funky tho... where do you live?
i see some skimpy clothing... but never really breasteses. and yeah, i'm in hs. outside from being flashed, never really see that much of the teats. where do you live again? i didn't know what you meant by skimpy clothing before you explained in such depth the <i>degree</i> to which female youths expose themselves.
short shorts, not so bad. short shorts with pubes exploding out, and tops with nipples escaping... yes, that is too far.
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What I'm saying is that if I never hear the phrase "wholesome values" again it'll be too soon. <img src='http://www.gamers-forums.com/smilies/contrib/blackeye/reading.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image'>
The perception that girls in a given type of outfit are "selling themselves" is in the eye of the beholder. That impression may be intended, it may not. Don't be so quick to project your own perverse value system ("all girls who wear tube tops are prostitutes and/or want to have sex with me") onto others.
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On what planet is that considered polite? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> The least you could do is tell her you're in the seminary... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Its polite because if I said what I wanted to, you'd be saying I'm a ****.
I think it was probably the most polite thing I could have done, while still insulting her.
Girls who dress in revealing clothing aren't neccessarily sluts. They may dress that way because they feel comfortable with their bodies and the way they look. At the same time, they may dress that way to get the attention of an man they maybe be attracted to. It's like the old saying goes, don't judge a book by its cover.
By definition, if you're trying to insult her, you're not being polite.
The gentlemanly thing to do would have been to politely explain that you weren't interested, but that she's a very attractive young lady and she shouldn't take it personally. Or something like that. The goal here is to treat her like a human being - her only crimes were to have a different attitude toward sex than you do, and to be forthright with you.
Rejecting someone in a manner calculated to make her feel like crap, and then acting self-righteous about it... blah.
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On what planet is that considered polite? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> The least you could do is tell her you're in the seminary... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Its polite because if I said what I wanted to, you'd be saying I'm a ****.
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Maybe she was just an attention ****, but maybe you were putting something off that made her think you wanted to get some eh? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
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Girls who dress in revealing clothing aren't neccessarily sluts. They may dress that way because they feel comfortable with their bodies and the way they look. At the same time, they may dress that way to get the attention of an man they maybe be attracted to. It's like the old saying goes, don't judge a book by its cover. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Im assuming you haven't been unfortunate enough to have seen a 350 pound powder white man in a speedo at the beach? He was comfortable with his body. Obviously though, many people would have prefered he keep that to himself. On the same note, just because a girl is comfortable with their body dosen't mean they need to dress up in what many people's opinions, looks like a ****'s work uniform.
Most girls who seem so eager to have sex, or dress provocativly, have alot of emotional baggage. One girl I knew used to hang out in a mapping channel, she didn't play HL or even map, she did it for the attention. Some of the pics she sent around were pretty crazy, and as somone who talked to her on the phone many times, she had more baggage then a fashion diva.
"Why?" or you could have been casual and made little jokes about it.
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If she wants to have sex with somone she barely knows whats to stop her from cheating on him with some other guy she barely knows? Hell, she could have cheated on him with...ME!
Or not...
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On what planet is that considered polite? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> The least you could do is tell her you're in the seminary... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I agree completely, you don't have to act like an **** to make the fact that you do not want to have sex in a relationship known.
I mean get a life!!! go wank some more if you cant get sex off the mind, I mean what are you going todo if you ever get to kiss a girl!!! <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/nerd.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd.gif'><!--endemo--> .
Yeah girls are dressing like that to look attractive but it doesn't mean they want to have sex with every guy they see.
(ps, please take this in the light hearted manner it was intended)
Thongs on 6 year olds - yes, that's a little weird-seeming, I suppose. But really, it's only sexual if YOU look at it and think it is. In some countries, people go nude, including and especially young children. Is it sexual and depraved? No. It's only as depraved as the person looking at it.
Which is the point Jabba was making. If you're so pent-up that you can't look at a girl (of any age) in a thong without having impure thoughts, that's pretty much your problem, not hers. Try to keep it to yourself.
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The perception that girls in a given type of outfit are "selling themselves" is in the eye of the beholder. That impression may be intended, it may not. Don't be so quick to project your own perverse value system ("all girls who wear tube tops are prostitutes and/or want to have sex with me") onto others. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
samwise put it down. listen to samwise.
I mean get a life!!! go wank some more if you cant get sex off the mind, I mean what are you going todo if you ever get to kiss a girl!!! <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/nerd.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd.gif'><!--endemo--> .
Yeah girls are dressing like that to look attractive but it doesn't mean they want to have sex with every guy they see.
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same with you, hunt. damn straight. all of it.
maybe they're not dressing in shirts that could say "i wanna get b0ned"... you're just IMAGINING that they should say that. like i said before, and like i won't stop saying, times are just CHANGING... move to iraq or afghanistan.
oh crap.. we own those places.
nvm... find somewhere with burqas and stuff tho.
If it's perverse to have girls AND boys dress appropriately in public, and keep their bodies chaste for their marriage, then I think I'm the president of this perverse club.
After the marriage, it's up to the couple to decide. But when kids are young, peer pressure and overall uncertainty can do some terrible numbers on their brains. They need some moral values where none exist these days.
Hey, were not vicious brutes.
Were just morally right people who want to take out our aggressions against any random person, rather than someone we know.
That's my kind of future!
Med, you seem to be deliberately missing the point of my post. It's not perverse for you to dress in a manner that you feel is inappropriate, or to dress your children in that manner. It IS a bit perverse for you to assume that anyone who does not share your fashion sense is a prostitute.
Quau, you define yourself as "morally right", implying that women who do not adhere to your fashion sense are "morally wrong." Whether or not you agree with me, do you at least see how some people could find that bothersome?
[edit]I'm veering off a bit here by saying "public nudity", but it's for the sake of brevity - if we establish our views on public nudity we can probably interpolate from there to the issue of skimpy clothing, which can reasonably be defined as partial public nudity.[/edit]
According to the first chapter of Genesis (yes, I'm a Bible thumper), the human body was originally made nude. It was sin that caused the guilt of showing that body (see Genesis 2, where Adam and Eve are ashamed at their nakedness), and the 'requirement' of clothes. Because of that, I don't feel there can truly be anyone in the world that doesn't see the naked body in a skewed view, and that we ourselves probably feel ashamed at being naked. Public exhibition is usually around because people like feeling 'naughty.'
Whereas you ask if wearing skimpy clothes is immoral if it encourages immoral behaviors in others, I'll take it a step further. I find it immoral of those who wear the clothes that know that they are wearing those clothes to illicit immoral thoughts or acts.
In other words, if the person wears the clothes to gain crude acts and attention, it is wrong. Now, some girls out there may not understand that what they are wearing causes the boys (and sadly, men) to become, er, "interested", but I doubt that. After seeing the same girls who are wearing the skimpy clothes flaunt their bodies in front of boys, I think they know perfectly well what they are doing.
I don't think we're going to get anywhere with our fashion opinions.
I find it very disturbing that it has been publicly accepted that children are permitted to wear clothing that barely covers their body, when there are some people out there who would kidnap those children and molest them. Teenage pregnancy is rising, yet parents don't stop to think that perhaps the reason why their teenage daughter is pregnant is because the parents have been setting up their child to think that flaunting herself is an acceptable trait! One cannot have it both ways. One cannot tell a child about abstinence, and then hand over the dental floss and tell them to get dressed. That would kinda screw up a kids mind, wouldn't it?
I am also a Christian, I feel this is important as it forms the basis of my moral beliefs.
I think the key point here is Choice, God gave us choice for a reason, he did not want a race of robots following his word because they were forced to, he wanted people to make up their own minds. Now to our society, the basic idea at the moment is that we allow everyone to do what they want while living within a moral framework (so, for example, almost 100% of people agree that murder is wrong, and therefore it is outlawed).
Now in relation to revealing clothing, if we still wish to maintain this freedom for everyone then we have to take full responsiblity for all our thoughts and actions, this means it is the fault of the person looking at the girl who should be responsible for their thoughts, whether or not the girl is wearing those clothers to provoke an inappropriate reaction from observer.
Basically the concept is that you are not responsible for societies actions and attitudes just for your own.
i sure as hell hope not.
since when was sex "taboo?"
if its avaliable to all ages, so i can go and **** a three year old?
you have some peverse view of the future
sex isn't taboo, its sacred. people are being conned into thinking sex is a datsun 900 with odd hubcaps. it not. its a porsche. its one of the most wonderful things on this earth, and its not to be abused
I have no problem with it. If a girl wants to cover her looks with cakes of makeup and has to show off that she has a slim stomach, I've got no problem with it. Why? Because some of them are really nice. I've got a friend, she feels the need to wear cutoff tops and miniskirts whenever she goes out, but she's still a really nice girl. I am not, however, interested in girls who ACT like s***s. Some people don't agree with the way I look. They say that I look really unfriendly, but guess what? That's not the way I am at all.
Basically... Please don't judge people based on their looks. Judge them by their attitude and their actions. Some people LIKE to wear revealing clothing. There are more reasons than just showing off their body.
I have no problem with it. If a girl wants to cover her looks with cakes of makeup and has to show off that she has a slim stomach, I've got no problem with it. Why? Because some of them are really nice. I've got a friend, she feels the need to wear cutoff tops and miniskirts whenever she goes out, but she's still a really nice girl. I am not, however, interested in girls who ACT like s***s. Some people don't agree with the way I look. They say that I look really unfriendly, but guess what? That's not the way I am at all.
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exactly, we are far too concerned with outside apparences.
Med that quotes for you.
If your mind happens to be so single tracked and narrow that you can honestly make moral judgements about a person based on their dress code then I am sorry for you. Just because you have a purely subjective and opiniated way of looking at the world (religion does fall into the realm of opinion and furthermore should be inernalized and used for personal means and not projected onto the world as somekind of guideline for people to live by) doesn't mean it is in anyway justified. Thinking your opinions are law and 2000 year old fiction has some merit to guide your life leads to very close minded attitudes and the kind of people that bomb abortion clinics.
Get a grip and stop objectifying people, they have brains, and personalities believe it or not. And until such time that you actually take a moment to stop and talk to a person you have no right to judge them.
PS: Judge not lest you be judged.
If you saw some girl walking down the street in bondage clothing, so it BARELY covers the ABSOLUTE REQUIREMENTS of the law, would you think thats morrally correct?
If you do, I'm sorry, your a idiot.
But if you don't, do you see what we mean? Eventually, its gonna lead to just that-girls wearing this clothing, and as one person mentioned earlier, more and more teenage pregnancies, and molestations.
Clothes do matter. You can dress abstract-I personally have no problems with that, nor do I think anyone else does.
But when i can see the damned bottom half of a girl's breast at my school, and there is no law saying she can't do that, and she BARELY turned 14 this year, am I not to get mad?
Also, Jabba, your wrong in quite a few places with your placement of the Bible.
Its both the girl, AND the boy's fault. The girl, for flaunting the naughty bits, which IS a sin. It says STRAIGHT in the Bible that women are to be HUMBLE with their bodies. That doesn't mean dress in tons of clothes, it means let there be more cloth than flesh showing on you. It is NOT the boys fault for the image going into his mind- its when he COVETS that it becomes a sin(aka, he wants her in a luSUYFl way).
And yes, I know, that girls can be nice and all that in skimpy clothing. I'm not saying their not, or anything, and there is nothing wrong with middriff, or tight fitting jeans, or shorts. Its when the shorts get so short its endseam goes on the bikini line, and the top goes down so far I can see a few pubic hairs poking out(not attractive btw, just seen it a few times). Nor is there anything right about shirts that show off the bottom half, or the top half of a woman's breasts. They can show a bit of the top, but don't it shouldn't go down to the point that its starting to get into the actual nipple.
i see some skimpy clothing... but never really breasteses. and yeah, i'm in hs. outside from being flashed, never really see that much of the teats. where do you live again? i didn't know what you meant by skimpy clothing before you explained in such depth the <i>degree</i> to which female youths expose themselves.
short shorts, not so bad. short shorts with pubes exploding out, and tops with nipples escaping... yes, that is too far.