QuaunautThe longest seven days in history...Join Date: 2003-03-21Member: 14759Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
nononono, the nipples haven't escaped. But I mean, their RIGHT THEIR. Their held from coming out because of the little piece of fabric that doubles back.
Exactly Quan there are public decency laws, and it doesn't matter what I personaly think of that girl, becuase I don't know that girl, I have never met that girl, and I am not shallow enough to make judgements solely on the way she looks.
I'm an idiot for allowing a person to express themselves freely on not judging someone's morals solely on my own personal standards? Yah ok...
So now your saying it depends HOW skimpy the clothes are? half a breast is ok, seeing the nipple isn't. Hypocritical to the end, typical of you fundamentalists. You are taught that the way of the Lords is right but you persecute others without hesitation out of you're moral beliefs, you condemn those who you consider sinners but elevate yourself above the need to be humble before the eyes of the Lord and not judge your fellow man.
I really hope you don't indoctrine your children with this right-wing garbage med, because THAT would be immoral and THAT would be something no child should be subjected to, and much more damaging than any clothes they could ever wear.
<!--QuoteBegin--dr.d+Aug 4 2003, 12:04 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (dr.d @ Aug 4 2003, 12:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Med that quotes for you.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Thank you! <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If your mind happens to be so single tracked and narrow that you can honestly make moral judgements about a person based on their dress code then I am sorry for you.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> You may continue feeling sorry for me. However, what do you feel when you see a person who is badly dressed? Do you think that if they have problems with dressing themselves, they may have problems with organization? Or do you think that they are poor? Do you honestly TOTALLY ignore the outer appearance? I don't think you can. <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Just because you have a purely subjective and opiniated way of looking at the world (religion does fall into the realm of opinion and furthermore should be inernalized and used for personal means and not projected onto the world as somekind of guideline for people to live by) doesn't mean it is in anyway justified. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> "Opinionated way of looking at the world." You're trying to make that sound negative, but if you stop and think about it, you're stating the obvious. EVERYONE (even those who claim otherwise) have an opinon about this. Saying that I have an "opinionated view" really just chalks up to "an opinion that doesn't agree with your own." I'll leave your whole OPINION that religions are nothing more than feelings. It's NOT ON TOPIC. <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Thinking your opinions are law and 2000 year old fiction has some merit to guide your life leads to very close minded attitudes and the kind of people that bomb abortion clinics.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Oh, gotta stoop to the level of attacking my religion. That's great man. That helped your argument immensely. First off, you're judging me because of actions of others (which, if you look down your post, you attack me for doing). Then you try to derail the topic by switching over to religion attacks. We're talking about girls in skimpy clothing, not what religion you feel is best. Keep it on topic, okay? <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Get a grip and stop objectifying people, they have brains, and personalities believe it or not. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> WHAT? Have you totally forgotten what I've been writing? I've said that the fact that girls are wearing these skimpy outfits is making them an object that is a target for mollestation! To say that I'm objectifying girls because I want them to have the decency to be modest and focus on their personalities more is ludicrous! <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->And until such time that you actually take a moment to stop and talk to a person you have no right to judge them.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> So before you look at a bum on the corner and think that they must be homeless, you go up and ask them? You must have a very busy life. <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->PS: Judge not lest you be judged.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Wait, I thought you said the Bible was fiction? Now you're quoting it as truth? Read the verse. Judge not unless you want to be judged yourself.
<!--QuoteBegin--dr.d+Aug 12 2003, 01:48 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (dr.d @ Aug 12 2003, 01:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Exactly Med there are public decency laws, and it doesn't matter what I personaly think of that girl, becuase I don't know that girl, I have never met that girl, and I am not shallow enough to make judgements solely on the way she looks.
I'm an idiot for allowing a person to express themselves freely on not judging someone's morals solely on my own personal standards? Yah ok...
So now your saying it depends HOW skimpy the clothes are? half a breast is ok, seeing the nipple isn't. Hypocritical to the end, typical of you fundamentalists. You are taught that the way of the Lords is right but you persecute others without hesitation out of you're moral beliefs, you condemn those who you consider sinners but elevate yourself above the need to be humble before the eyes of the Lord and not judge your fellow man.
I really hope you don't indoctrine your children with this right-wing garbage med, because THAT would be immoral and THAT would be something no child should be subjected to, and much more damaging than any clothes they could ever wear.
I'm done with you. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> What are you talking about? I don't know what post you're drawing this from. Care to give a quote?
Also, please stay on topic. Bashing my religion is not on topic. Thank you.
If this is intended for Quaunaut, my request to stay on topic stands. You need to calm down, or you'll get this topic locked.
<!--QuoteBegin--dr.d+Aug 12 2003, 01:48 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (dr.d @ Aug 12 2003, 01:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You were the one who introduced religion to the topic, and there is nothing wrong with quoting fiction to prove a point, but structuring your life around it is a bit absurd. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I used it in one of my posts, yes. I did not attack you personally. You did. There is a difference.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->If it's perverse to have girls AND boys dress appropriately in public, and keep their bodies chaste for their marriage, then I think I'm the president of this perverse club. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Then you went on to say differently levels of skimpiness is exceptable, shorts and midrifs are ok, too short of shorts and too much midrif isnt'.
You were the one who brought up religion, if you hadn't wanted it in the argument you shouldn't have done so, and it's obvious that's where your comming from anyway.
In my opinion it's useless for me to argue with you because you have set unalterable beliefs about how people should behave and if you find that offensive I'm sorry but I find your ideas offensive.
Like I said I'm done arguing with you it wouldn't be prudent in the least and like you said would lead to a lock.
<!--QuoteBegin--dr.d+Aug 12 2003, 02:00 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (dr.d @ Aug 12 2003, 02:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Then you went on to say differently levels of skimpiness is exceptable, shorts and midrifs are ok, too short of shorts and too much midrif isnt'. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Where?! I can't find where I said that! The only thing I can see right now is where I said it was up to the couple to decide what's appropriate after marriage. Are you confusing Quaunaut with me?
QuaunautThe longest seven days in history...Join Date: 2003-03-21Member: 14759Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
/me hits "report post" button before going on this rant.
dr. d. NEVER EVER insult someone's religion on this forum. Another thing, did you know your STEREOTYPING us right there by saying that we condemn you? We don't condemn ANYTHING or ANYONE, and if someone says that someone is going to hell because they aren't living their way, they aren't a Christian. No matter what.
Also, I'm not a fundamentalist. I'm just wondering where its all gonna end. I ALSO never said half of the breast hanging out was okay, I said that A BIT OF THE TOP was ok.
Also, what the HELL gave you the idea that the Bible is ANY fiction, WHATSOEVER?! Its stories, ALL OF WHICH are basically true. Whether you believe the miracles happened or not depends on what you believe but its NOT fiction. Its been recorded that EVERY LAST PERSON EVER mentioned(with the exception of God, but he's not a person) in the Bible DID live, and DID accomplish the end product the Bible said. EVERY last one was recorded in their respectable census' and the such.
I honestly think you don't have the competence to continue in this subject unless you lay off of that.
DON'T INSULT MY RELIGION OR ANYONE ELSES. FOR YOUR SAKE. ITS ALSO AGAINST THE RULES. OK?!
<!--QuoteBegin--Quaunaut+Aug 12 2003, 03:06 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Quaunaut @ Aug 12 2003, 03:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> /me hits "report post" button before going on this rant.
dr. d. NEVER EVER insult someone's religion on this forum. Another thing, did you know your STEREOTYPING us right there by saying that we condemn you? We don't condemn ANYTHING or ANYONE, and if someone says that someone is going to hell because they aren't living their way, they aren't a Christian. No matter what.
Also, I'm not a fundamentalist. I'm just wondering where its all gonna end. I ALSO never said half of the breast hanging out was okay, I said that A BIT OF THE TOP was ok.
Also, what the HELL gave you the idea that the Bible is ANY fiction, WHATSOEVER?! Its stories, ALL OF WHICH are basically true. Whether you believe the miracles happened or not depends on what you believe but its NOT fiction. Its been recorded that EVERY LAST PERSON EVER mentioned(with the exception of God, but he's not a person) in the Bible DID live, and DID accomplish the end product the Bible said. EVERY last one was recorded in their respectable census' and the such.
I honestly think you don't have the competence to continue in this subject unless you lay off of that.
DON'T INSULT MY RELIGION OR ANYONE ELSES. FOR YOUR SAKE. ITS ALSO AGAINST THE RULES. OK?! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I wasn't insulting anyones religion I was insulting your warped view of a religion that causes you to lash out at people who don't agree with you. I accidently confused Med with you which is silly since he would never post anything so blatently stupid.
Refer to where I said I was done arguing with you.
Well this topics going to be BALEETED, seeing as people have turned it into a religon/personal flame war, when it should be about chicks wearing dental floss for clothing.
QuaunautThe longest seven days in history...Join Date: 2003-03-21Member: 14759Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
edited August 2003
When did I EVER lash out? I was merely giving a point, and you took it as lashing, when NO ONE else agreed.
Oh, and a fact for you I thought you might find interesting...
Did you know that 80% of the MAJOR science community(aka, those on the leading edge of all of it) are starting to lean to there being a competent being that DID in fact create anything? Why you ask? Because there are TOO many coincidences when it comes to the creation of everything. They are begginning to believe that there was more or less a "God" that created the universe, because everything is too exact.
And lastly, you weren't even talking to me in that post that you said you didn't want to argue. I didn't say that. I didn't know what the word "chaste" meant until he said it.
But I will agree with you Otto and dr.d, this little war should be stopped.
Back onto subject...dr.d, what do you consider skimpy?
Did you know that 96.7% of all statistics are made up on the spot? And 54.5% of those have no links or resources to support them. Oh wait I'm arguing with you again, you're just so damn irritating.
Wow, a lot has changed since I last read this topic.
I think it all comes down to 'supply and demand'. Girls dress in a way that they think guys will want them to dress. Solution? Do your part by not paying them any attention. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> Of course, there's the ever-present problem of the trash that we call our media, but it seems like there really isn't anything we can do with that. However, it does underline one point: Our media is the cause of many of our problems in the United States.
According to Michael Moore (Bowling for Columbine), our media is what causes us to have such a high gun violence/death rate.
According to a recent Journal article here, the media is what causes many of us to be overweight (overstimulation of senses via bombardment of food... sorta like bile bombing, I guess <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> )
Clearly it is the media that causes us to live our consumer driven lives, by making it seem that high living is the way that 'rich' people live, which in actuality it causes many people to go into debt and fear for their job security.
With all this in mind, it's not surprising to consider the idea that the media influences the way girls dress. As someone wrote above, Abercrombie markets thongs to 6 year olds.
So is it really the girl's fault that they dress this way? I guess it's pretty much been made clear that the majority of guys (at least on here) prefer girls that don't. And who can blame girls for trying to get a guy's attention? Guy's do it too, except in different ways (blowing up things, wearing muscle shirts, being 'arsehats' <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->, etc.)
Summary: Girls are trying to get attention from guys in the only way that they know how, i.e. what the media tells them. As they grow older they'll figure out what really works. What we should be doing is devoting our energy to discouraging the inane media.
<!--QuoteBegin--Quaunaut+Aug 12 2003, 02:46 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Quaunaut @ Aug 12 2003, 02:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> nononono, the nipples haven't escaped. But I mean, their RIGHT THEIR. Their held from coming out because of the little piece of fabric that doubles back.
I live in cali. It gets BAD over here. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> i live in cali too... you must live on the border of a nudist colony or something =\
edit: the really hilarious thing is... most of you have already claimed to be fashion-indifferent, or in the "out crowd", or whatever. you identify these girls with the skimpy clothing, though.
what we haven't discussed yet is the degree to which these girls expose themselves, and at WHAT degree it is still <i>fashionable</i> and <i>tasteful</i> for them to do so.
QuaunautThe longest seven days in history...Join Date: 2003-03-21Member: 14759Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
Jin-Roh, your just full of good ideas...
The nearest nudist colony is in the foothills, about....30 miles from here. So its supposedly close.
But you both actually came up with good points...while Rhuadin's we knew of, just didn't know how to explain(GREAT job btw, I understood it well and I agreed 100%), and Jin-Roh brought up the thing that oughta keep this going: Whats fashionable or tasteful? Personally, I think that as long as I'm at least 4 inches from something they can't show on nickelodeon, I'm cool. This goes for guys too really- I still don't see the need to sag. You do know that there are pants that have REALLY long legs if you want them, right? |30><3|25 |)0|\|'7 |20><0|25(or, boxers don't roxors).
Thast one reason I like some of the REALLY new artists...Michelle Branch, Avril Lavigne, Vanessa Carlton, and those. I thought they were each really good looking and cute, and they weren't in skimpy clothing.
<!--QuoteBegin--Quaunaut+Aug 12 2003, 11:19 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Quaunaut @ Aug 12 2003, 11:19 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If you saw some girl walking down the street in bondage clothing, so it BARELY covers the ABSOLUTE REQUIREMENTS of the law, would you think thats morrally correct?
If you do, I'm sorry, your a idiot. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> *reads this and gives up on any hope of intelligent discussion with Quau*
I've seen people walking down the street in kinky bondage gear (Folsom Street Fair every year in SF) and don't think it makes them evil. I think they're having fun stomping all over the lines of what the rest of society deems "normal". More power to them.
<!--QuoteBegin--Quaunaut+Aug 12 2003, 12:06 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Quaunaut @ Aug 12 2003, 12:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> DON'T INSULT MY RELIGION OR ANYONE ELSES. FOR YOUR SAKE. ITS ALSO AGAINST THE RULES. OK?! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> *hits "report post" on the post where Quau said you're an idiot if you think bondage clothing is morally acceptable*
I'd say that falls under the category of insulting someone's religious beliefs. GG Quau.
OKAY, to bring this back on topic and away from religion... (I really hate it when fellow forumers can't even get along.)
I've got no problems with any sort of clothing. You can go nude, if you want to. I have no problem with that. You can wear bondage clothing if you want. You can wear skimpy clothing. The list goes on... Frankly, I don't CARE what anyone wears. I judge by attitude, not by appearance. If it makes a girl feel mature and "grown-up" when she wears skimpy clothing, let her. I don't care. Either she'll be a nice girl who I'll talk to anyway, because of that, or she won't be, in which case, I won't talk to her. Plain and simple.
I expect this post'll be locked soon. Both sides have presented their arguments, and it's gotten way too flamey here.
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I live in cali. It gets BAD over here.
I'm an idiot for allowing a person to express themselves freely on not judging someone's morals solely on my own personal standards? Yah ok...
So now your saying it depends HOW skimpy the clothes are? half a breast is ok, seeing the nipple isn't.
Hypocritical to the end, typical of you fundamentalists. You are taught that the way of the Lords is right but you persecute others without hesitation out of you're moral beliefs, you condemn those who you consider sinners but elevate yourself above the need to be humble before the eyes of the Lord and not judge your fellow man.
I really hope you don't indoctrine your children with this right-wing garbage med, because THAT would be immoral and THAT would be something no child should be subjected to, and much more damaging than any clothes they could ever wear.
I'm done with you.
Thank you!
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
If your mind happens to be so single tracked and narrow that you can honestly make moral judgements about a person based on their dress code then I am sorry for you.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You may continue feeling sorry for me. However, what do you feel when you see a person who is badly dressed? Do you think that if they have problems with dressing themselves, they may have problems with organization? Or do you think that they are poor? Do you honestly TOTALLY ignore the outer appearance? I don't think you can.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Just because you have a purely subjective and opiniated way of looking at the world (religion does fall into the realm of opinion and furthermore should be inernalized and used for personal means and not projected onto the world as somekind of guideline for people to live by) doesn't mean it is in anyway justified. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
"Opinionated way of looking at the world." You're trying to make that sound negative, but if you stop and think about it, you're stating the obvious. EVERYONE (even those who claim otherwise) have an opinon about this. Saying that I have an "opinionated view" really just chalks up to "an opinion that doesn't agree with your own."
I'll leave your whole OPINION that religions are nothing more than feelings. It's NOT ON TOPIC.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Thinking your opinions are law and 2000 year old fiction has some merit to guide your life leads to very close minded attitudes and the kind of people that bomb abortion clinics.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Oh, gotta stoop to the level of attacking my religion. That's great man. That helped your argument immensely. First off, you're judging me because of actions of others (which, if you look down your post, you attack me for doing). Then you try to derail the topic by switching over to religion attacks. We're talking about girls in skimpy clothing, not what religion you feel is best. Keep it on topic, okay?
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Get a grip and stop objectifying people, they have brains, and personalities believe it or not. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
WHAT? Have you totally forgotten what I've been writing? I've said that the fact that girls are wearing these skimpy outfits is making them an object that is a target for mollestation! To say that I'm objectifying girls because I want them to have the decency to be modest and focus on their personalities more is ludicrous!
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->And until such time that you actually take a moment to stop and talk to a person you have no right to judge them.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So before you look at a bum on the corner and think that they must be homeless, you go up and ask them? You must have a very busy life.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->PS: Judge not lest you be judged.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Wait, I thought you said the Bible was fiction? Now you're quoting it as truth? Read the verse. Judge not unless you want to be judged yourself.
I'm an idiot for allowing a person to express themselves freely on not judging someone's morals solely on my own personal standards? Yah ok...
So now your saying it depends HOW skimpy the clothes are? half a breast is ok, seeing the nipple isn't.
Hypocritical to the end, typical of you fundamentalists. You are taught that the way of the Lords is right but you persecute others without hesitation out of you're moral beliefs, you condemn those who you consider sinners but elevate yourself above the need to be humble before the eyes of the Lord and not judge your fellow man.
I really hope you don't indoctrine your children with this right-wing garbage med, because THAT would be immoral and THAT would be something no child should be subjected to, and much more damaging than any clothes they could ever wear.
I'm done with you. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What are you talking about? I don't know what post you're drawing this from. Care to give a quote?
Also, please stay on topic. Bashing my religion is not on topic. Thank you.
If this is intended for Quaunaut, my request to stay on topic stands. You need to calm down, or you'll get this topic locked.
I used it in one of my posts, yes. I did not attack you personally. You did. There is a difference.
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Then you went on to say differently levels of skimpiness is exceptable, shorts and midrifs are ok, too short of shorts and too much midrif isnt'.
You were the one who brought up religion, if you hadn't wanted it in the argument you shouldn't have done so, and it's obvious that's where your comming from anyway.
In my opinion it's useless for me to argue with you because you have set unalterable beliefs about how people should behave and if you find that offensive I'm sorry but I find your ideas offensive.
Like I said I'm done arguing with you it wouldn't be prudent in the least and like you said would lead to a lock.
Where?! I can't find where I said that! The only thing I can see right now is where I said it was up to the couple to decide what's appropriate after marriage. Are you confusing Quaunaut with me?
dr. d. NEVER EVER insult someone's religion on this forum. Another thing, did you know your STEREOTYPING us right there by saying that we condemn you? We don't condemn ANYTHING or ANYONE, and if someone says that someone is going to hell because they aren't living their way, they aren't a Christian. No matter what.
Also, I'm not a fundamentalist. I'm just wondering where its all gonna end. I ALSO never said half of the breast hanging out was okay, I said that A BIT OF THE TOP was ok.
Also, what the HELL gave you the idea that the Bible is ANY fiction, WHATSOEVER?! Its stories, ALL OF WHICH are basically true. Whether you believe the miracles happened or not depends on what you believe but its NOT fiction. Its been recorded that EVERY LAST PERSON EVER mentioned(with the exception of God, but he's not a person) in the Bible DID live, and DID accomplish the end product the Bible said. EVERY last one was recorded in their respectable census' and the such.
I honestly think you don't have the competence to continue in this subject unless you lay off of that.
DON'T INSULT MY RELIGION OR ANYONE ELSES. FOR YOUR SAKE. ITS ALSO AGAINST THE RULES. OK?!
Okay, all's forgiven.
dr. d. NEVER EVER insult someone's religion on this forum. Another thing, did you know your STEREOTYPING us right there by saying that we condemn you? We don't condemn ANYTHING or ANYONE, and if someone says that someone is going to hell because they aren't living their way, they aren't a Christian. No matter what.
Also, I'm not a fundamentalist. I'm just wondering where its all gonna end. I ALSO never said half of the breast hanging out was okay, I said that A BIT OF THE TOP was ok.
Also, what the HELL gave you the idea that the Bible is ANY fiction, WHATSOEVER?! Its stories, ALL OF WHICH are basically true. Whether you believe the miracles happened or not depends on what you believe but its NOT fiction. Its been recorded that EVERY LAST PERSON EVER mentioned(with the exception of God, but he's not a person) in the Bible DID live, and DID accomplish the end product the Bible said. EVERY last one was recorded in their respectable census' and the such.
I honestly think you don't have the competence to continue in this subject unless you lay off of that.
DON'T INSULT MY RELIGION OR ANYONE ELSES. FOR YOUR SAKE. ITS ALSO AGAINST THE RULES. OK?! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I wasn't insulting anyones religion I was insulting your warped view of a religion that causes you to lash out at people who don't agree with you. I accidently confused Med with you which is silly since he would never post anything so blatently stupid.
Refer to where I said I was done arguing with you.
Oh, and a fact for you I thought you might find interesting...
Did you know that 80% of the MAJOR science community(aka, those on the leading edge of all of it) are starting to lean to there being a competent being that DID in fact create anything? Why you ask? Because there are TOO many coincidences when it comes to the creation of everything. They are begginning to believe that there was more or less a "God" that created the universe, because everything is too exact.
And lastly, you weren't even talking to me in that post that you said you didn't want to argue. I didn't say that. I didn't know what the word "chaste" meant until he said it.
But I will agree with you Otto and dr.d, this little war should be stopped.
Back onto subject...dr.d, what do you consider skimpy?
I think it all comes down to 'supply and demand'. Girls dress in a way that they think guys will want them to dress. Solution? Do your part by not paying them any attention. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> Of course, there's the ever-present problem of the trash that we call our media, but it seems like there really isn't anything we can do with that. However, it does underline one point: Our media is the cause of many of our problems in the United States.
According to Michael Moore (Bowling for Columbine), our media is what causes us to have such a high gun violence/death rate.
According to a recent Journal article here, the media is what causes many of us to be overweight (overstimulation of senses via bombardment of food... sorta like bile bombing, I guess <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> )
Clearly it is the media that causes us to live our consumer driven lives, by making it seem that high living is the way that 'rich' people live, which in actuality it causes many people to go into debt and fear for their job security.
With all this in mind, it's not surprising to consider the idea that the media influences the way girls dress. As someone wrote above, Abercrombie markets thongs to 6 year olds.
So is it really the girl's fault that they dress this way? I guess it's pretty much been made clear that the majority of guys (at least on here) prefer girls that don't. And who can blame girls for trying to get a guy's attention? Guy's do it too, except in different ways (blowing up things, wearing muscle shirts, being 'arsehats' <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->, etc.)
Summary: Girls are trying to get attention from guys in the only way that they know how, i.e. what the media tells them. As they grow older they'll figure out what really works. What we should be doing is devoting our energy to discouraging the inane media.
Rhuadin
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i live in cali too... you must live on the border of a nudist colony or something =\
edit: the really hilarious thing is... most of you have already claimed to be fashion-indifferent, or in the "out crowd", or whatever. you identify these girls with the skimpy clothing, though.
what we haven't discussed yet is the degree to which these girls expose themselves, and at WHAT degree it is still <i>fashionable</i> and <i>tasteful</i> for them to do so.
truly hilarious. i am roofling right now.
The nearest nudist colony is in the foothills, about....30 miles from here. So its supposedly close.
But you both actually came up with good points...while Rhuadin's we knew of, just didn't know how to explain(GREAT job btw, I understood it well and I agreed 100%), and Jin-Roh brought up the thing that oughta keep this going: Whats fashionable or tasteful? Personally, I think that as long as I'm at least 4 inches from something they can't show on nickelodeon, I'm cool. This goes for guys too really- I still don't see the need to sag. You do know that there are pants that have REALLY long legs if you want them, right? |30><3|25 |)0|\|'7 |20><0|25(or, boxers don't roxors).
Thast one reason I like some of the REALLY new artists...Michelle Branch, Avril Lavigne, Vanessa Carlton, and those. I thought they were each really good looking and cute, and they weren't in skimpy clothing.
If you do, I'm sorry, your a idiot.
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*reads this and gives up on any hope of intelligent discussion with Quau*
I've seen people walking down the street in kinky bondage gear (Folsom Street Fair every year in SF) and don't think it makes them evil. I think they're having fun stomping all over the lines of what the rest of society deems "normal". More power to them.
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*hits "report post" on the post where Quau said you're an idiot if you think bondage clothing is morally acceptable*
I'd say that falls under the category of insulting someone's religious beliefs. GG Quau.
I've got no problems with any sort of clothing. You can go nude, if you want to. I have no problem with that. You can wear bondage clothing if you want. You can wear skimpy clothing. The list goes on... Frankly, I don't CARE what anyone wears. I judge by attitude, not by appearance. If it makes a girl feel mature and "grown-up" when she wears skimpy clothing, let her. I don't care. Either she'll be a nice girl who I'll talk to anyway, because of that, or she won't be, in which case, I won't talk to her. Plain and simple.
I expect this post'll be locked soon. Both sides have presented their arguments, and it's gotten way too flamey here.