Ok since there is some confusion, here was everyone and what they did: -Me - Leader, did about half the map. -Wolwings - Pretty much co-leader, did just about the other half. -DarkATi - Lighting guy, made the new Port Engine. -OneEyed - Made most of the marine start. -Minsk - Made the decompile program and tweaked things just for this project. Pretty much presented us with a very easy to use base to rebuilding the map.
And fine, to keep you guys happy here is a pic of a particle system I added to replace the sprite steam:
And why do so many people make particle systems that aren't transparent? It is just a bit of steam, isn't it? And why is it white anyway? There is only green light in this hallway. Is it a self-illuminating liquid? No, it's ok. I guess these are the limitations of the current particle system...
Um, when particles go over eachother their alphas get added together. If tried lightening them and right now I think it looks nice. Otherwise the steam will be almost invisible at the end of its journey upwards. Plus it doesn't look as good in a picture.
Though from here on out unless WWs switches to VHE. (Hell isn't frozen over yet) I'm not really the lighting guy. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> Makes me sad, but I can't light if I can't compile and compare and the .maps WWs sends me are all... buggy, not WWs fault of course. .MAP is not my favorite format... it just doesn't like being ripped away from Radiant and slammed into VHE. It protests. I am unsane. *Har Har* Ja Get It? Unsane... not a word, laugh laugh, chuckle, chortle, rock, roll.... wait...?
<!--QuoteBegin--Silicon+Oct 13 2003, 07:20 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Silicon @ Oct 13 2003, 07:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> this thread is 65 pages long, you should have a webpage with all the pretty pictures of your remake of nancy on it, just a suggestion... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> see...you should READ the thread before suggesting, because there is already such a page.
Ack... okay, my appologies. I <i><b>thought</b></i> I sent off an e-mail to Lazer with that clipping I could extract from my version of Nancy, and had unsubscribed from this thread since there wasn't anything more I could do, since I can't actively modify or edit the map any further since GtkRadiant is incompatable with VHE for map-editing.
Apparently the e-mail got lost in the proverbial shuffle. Namely, I made a typo in the e-mail address, and hadn't noticed the bounce (or his recent e-mail to me) as my spam-filters had gotten misconfigured recently by the house SysAdmin in an update. =^.6=
Unfortunately... I don't seem to have the clipping file I sent to Lazer previously. I never backed that up, as I didn't consider it that important, and since I didn't think I'd be doing anything else with Nancy after that (since Lazer and DarkATi have said they're going to stay on VHE), I did a final backup of everything I had and removed the files. I still have the vent system and locational brushwork, and just sent that along.
<!--QuoteBegin--WolfWings+Oct 13 2003, 08:30 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (WolfWings @ Oct 13 2003, 08:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Ack... okay, my appologies. I <i><b>thought</b></i> I sent off an e-mail to Lazer with that clipping I could extract from my version of Nancy, and had unsubscribed from this thread since there wasn't anything more I could do, since I can't actively modify or edit the map any further since GtkRadiant is incompatable with VHE for map-editing.
Apparently the e-mail got lost in the proverbial shuffle. Namely, I made a typo in the e-mail address, and hadn't noticed the bounce (or his recent e-mail to me) as my spam-filters had gotten misconfigured recently by the house SysAdmin in an update. =^.6=
Unfortunately... I don't seem to have the clipping file I sent to Lazer previously. I never backed that up, as I didn't consider it that important, and since I didn't think I'd be doing anything else with Nancy after that (since Lazer and DarkATi have said they're going to stay on VHE), I did a final backup of everything I had and removed the files. I still have the vent system and locational brushwork, and just sent that along. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> A bounced e-mail will sometimes contain the original file for just the reason you mentioned.
If you are using outlook, you should also have a copy of it in your sent items folder.
If you deleted the sent item it may also be in your deleted items folder...
And if that fails, you can see if your sysadmin has a backup of the data...
Or if you don't want to go that route, and you are on Exchange you can always try to do a deleted item recovery (click on deleted items, go up to tools I believe, and choose recover deleted items)
Now if you are not using Outlook and Exchange, I have just wasted my time typing this entire message. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
Alright I should be receiving a lot of the stuff soon and I can add it all in and get out a pretty much final within a few days hopefully.
Incase you didn't get my email WolfWings: Send me those pieces and I'll add them in. Send Flayra the poorly textured, but playable version as just a preview. I'll send him the final when I finish it.
And I gotta say sorry to everyone else for the delay. I think it was a lack of communication on everyone's part (including mine) that has delayed this. Hopefully this will be finished really soon.
SpoogeThunderbolt missile in your cheeriosJoin Date: 2002-01-25Member: 67Members
No worries <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
Good things always come to those who wait <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
w00tage <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> too bad though that steam has ruined my ns playing <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> but ill play it anyway. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
TalesinOur own little well of hateJoin Date: 2002-11-08Member: 7710NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators
Can't help but laugh at even the SUGGESTION that Wolf's using Outlook (express or not) or Exchange. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> Don't honestly know anyone who's even marginally security-conscious who uses either of 'em.
They ARE secure, it's just that all the hackers around the world like to break into Micro$oft stuff <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> *usesOperawithintegratedemailclient*
<!--QuoteBegin--NerdIII+Oct 14 2003, 03:34 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NerdIII @ Oct 14 2003, 03:34 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> They ARE secure, it's just that all the hackers around the world like to break into Micro$oft stuff <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> *usesOperawithintegratedemailclient* <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> That's right. Because Bill Gates made things mainstream and friendly for the everyday user people jump all over him. I have a dual boot system running SlackWare Linux / Windows XP. I don't feel like changing my computer habits to suit the Linux OS. I like Mac OS X alot but you have to have Mac Hardware and PCs are more customizable and become more personal to me.
All in all my point is that I grew up with Microsoft. (God do you remember when Windows was a DOS Prompt just with prettier colors? (Ver. 1.0)? Geez, we've come along way. The entire line of Microsoft Products are very secure indeed but as Nerd said, people like to hack into / crack anything Microsoft just to get on the news, or maybe because in their stoner minds Bill Gates has done something wrong.
Well, quite frankly I should expect to see Bill Gates name in textbooks in something like 50 years, he is definetly a pioneer. Without him, I wouldn't be talking to you folks right now.
<!--QuoteBegin--Talesin+Oct 14 2003, 03:27 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Talesin @ Oct 14 2003, 03:27 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Can't help but laugh at even the SUGGESTION that Wolf's using Outlook (express or not) or Exchange. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> Don't honestly know anyone who's even marginally security-conscious who uses either of 'em. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Valve was using both....
I was making an educated guess, the reason was because he said that the IT guy at work...well most business do not have the forsight, nor the experience to implement a Linux/Unix environment, let alone do anything if they do get it implemented. As bad as M$ can be, it is still top on the list of OS's for business's do to the lack of general expertise needed to admin it.
So with the assumption (I know what assume means) I figured I would try to help a fellow out. May it be wrong or right...
<!--QuoteBegin--NerdIII+Oct 14 2003, 03:34 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NerdIII @ Oct 14 2003, 03:34 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> They ARE secure, it's just that all the hackers around the world like to break into Micro$oft stuff <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> *usesOperawithintegratedemailclient* <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Personally, they are only secure if you keep up on the myriad of updates that come out daily/weekly...unfortunately most admins don't have the downtime window to do the updates needed to secure there systems. I admin a M$ network that I implemented, is it the most secure, I wish it was, I have been working on doing as such, but it is only 3 servers and about 20 clients, so I have some leeway....
However don't kid yourself. M$ is riddled with holes, with more being found daily, you can say it is because they are a target, well the *nix systems are targets too, it isn't as easy to compromise them as it is with M$ products, which makes them even more of a target to the fact that script kiddies can download and attack with little to no knowledge of what they are doing.
Of course this really isn't about M$, e-mails, or anything like that...
Back to topic....So with the setback, how much time before you think Nancy will be able to be online again?
<!--QuoteBegin--(KCSA) Robert Paulson+Oct 14 2003, 06:01 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ((KCSA) Robert Paulson @ Oct 14 2003, 06:01 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Valve was using both....
I was making an educated guess, the reason was because he said that the IT guy at work...well most business do not have the forsight, nor the experience to implement a Linux/Unix environment, let alone do anything if they do get it implemented. As bad as M$ can be, it is still top on the list of OS's for business's do to the lack of general expertise needed to admin it.
So with the assumption (I know what assume means) I figured I would try to help a fellow out. May it be wrong or right... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> No... I said the <b>house</b> SysAdmin, namely the guy that has root on the central Linux-based router/web server/firewall for the house I live in (9 people, 42 ethernet drops, full-blown phone system, single-story large house, half the residents work for the same company, which is co-owned by the actual homeowner) goofed with a recent update to the anti-spam settings.
Thankfully, we all have our filters set up to simply re-folder 'spam' and not delete it, just in case of situations like this.
Unfortunately, I have mine set up to tac-nuke attachments sent to the spam folder, as it reduces the usual flurry of 100-200k 'virus' spams down to 3-5k for easy mass-marking and deletion without filling up the hard drive the e-mail is stored on.
Thanks for the helpful thoughts, but for future reference, I haven't loaded anything other than PINE or simply reading my mail-spool file directly in a text editor in over 10 years. :-)
<!--QuoteBegin--DarkATi+Oct 14 2003, 06:28 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DarkATi @ Oct 14 2003, 06:28 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--NerdIII+Oct 14 2003, 03:34 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NerdIII @ Oct 14 2003, 03:34 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> They ARE secure, it's just that all the hackers around the world like to break into Micro$oft stuff <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> *usesOperawithintegratedemailclient* <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> That's right. Because Bill Gates made things mainstream and friendly for the everyday user people jump all over him. I have a dual boot system running SlackWare Linux / Windows XP. I don't feel like changing my computer habits to suit the Linux OS. I like Mac OS X alot but you have to have Mac Hardware and PCs are more customizable and become more personal to me.
All in all my point is that I grew up with Microsoft. (God do you remember when Windows was a DOS Prompt just with prettier colors? (Ver. 1.0)? Geez, we've come along way. The entire line of Microsoft Products are very secure indeed but as Nerd said, people like to hack into / crack anything Microsoft just to get on the news, or maybe because in their stoner minds Bill Gates has done something wrong.
Well, quite frankly I should expect to see Bill Gates name in textbooks in something like 50 years, he is definetly a pioneer. Without him, I wouldn't be talking to you folks right now.
EDIT: w00t! My 401st post! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> a bit off topic-
General Custer is in the history books too, doesnt make what he did right, and Gates being in the history books wont make stealing the apple os right, either
If you disagree with what i just said, reply in PM, dont want this thread closed
ssjyodaJoin Date: 2002-03-05Member: 274Members, Squad Five Blue
edited October 2003
and apple and ms both stole the mouse from xerox. Get over it, thats the way the world works, and always has worked. Gates is a genius business man, like Hitler was a political genius (just a tad warped with what he did with the political power, heh, don't everyone start flaming me for that statement, it's true anyway u look at it. ). Im sure everyone has done something similar, so all get over yourselves. Oh, and how did this get into a gates discussion, ive missed the last page. Evil work.
<!--QuoteBegin--ssjyoda+Oct 14 2003, 08:51 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ssjyoda @ Oct 14 2003, 08:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> and apple and ms both stole the mouse from xerox. Get over it, thats the way the world works, and always has worked. Gates is a genius business man, like Hitler was a political genius (just a tad warped with what he did with the political power, heh, don't everyone start flaming me for that statement, it's true anyway u look at it. ). Im sure everyone has done something similar, so all get over yourselves. Oh, and how did this get into a gates discussion, ive missed the last page. Evil work. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> It was just casually brought up that Outlook is full of security holes.
Anyway, I have no idea what's going on with this map and it's starting to annoy me. What's the hold up?
<!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> yes yes yes i cannot wait to play!!! even tho i dont play ns anymore ill still d/l and play it whenever i do happen to play <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> nancy pwns
and yes a web page would be nice cause i dont feel like going through 66 pages!!!
<!--QuoteBegin--ssjyoda+Oct 15 2003, 01:51 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ssjyoda @ Oct 15 2003, 01:51 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> and apple and ms both stole the mouse from xerox. Get over it, thats the way the world works, and always has worked. Gates is a genius business man, like Hitler was a political genius (just a tad warped with what he did with the political power, heh, don't everyone start flaming me for that statement, it's true anyway u look at it. ). Im sure everyone has done something similar, so all get over yourselves. Oh, and how did this get into a gates discussion, ive missed the last page. Evil work. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Sorry to steer this off topic >_<
But one thing about hitler. He wasnt a political genius. He was an orator. A loudmouth. He did the speeches and inspired the masses. It was his henchmen and his aides that did most of the real work.
He just happened to be at the right place, at the right time, with the worst set of ideals imaginable...
Whoa... man, can-not stop dreamin of the first time in Nancy 2.0... <drool> Keep it together, guys, "this ones for real", it says - keep it that way! You guys have captivated a pretty big gathering, remade most of an adored map from scratch, and made mapping interesting! Keep it up, don't stop-a rockin!
-DD
*edit* - Woah! i just noticed this thread is nearly 2% of the mapping forum in size... w00t. *edit*
Yeah guys. Keep it up. Tons of people appreciate what you are doing. Though we don't see them all on the forums, just about everyone on irc knows about this project and the response is great <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
I looked on yahoo and found this things that turns .bsp on .map. So can use it on the old nancy to get the map and modify it . Much easier than a remake
Comments
-Me - Leader, did about half the map.
-Wolwings - Pretty much co-leader, did just about the other half.
-DarkATi - Lighting guy, made the new Port Engine.
-OneEyed - Made most of the marine start.
-Minsk - Made the decompile program and tweaked things just for this project. Pretty much presented us with a very easy to use base to rebuilding the map.
And fine, to keep you guys happy here is a pic of a particle system I added to replace the sprite steam:
No, it's ok. I guess these are the limitations of the current particle system...
Though from here on out unless WWs switches to VHE. (Hell isn't frozen over yet) I'm not really the lighting guy. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> Makes me sad, but I can't light if I can't compile and compare and the .maps WWs sends me are all... buggy, not WWs fault of course. .MAP is not my favorite format... it just doesn't like being ripped away from Radiant and slammed into VHE. It protests. I am unsane. *Har Har* Ja Get It? Unsane... not a word, laugh laugh, chuckle, chortle, rock, roll.... wait...?
*Ding*
Lasagna's Done!
*Runs Off*
~ DarkATi
see...you should READ the thread before suggesting, because there is already such a page.
lazer, would you mind sticking this in the first post?
edit: i guess its down now...what up with that, DarkATi?
Apparently the e-mail got lost in the proverbial shuffle. Namely, I made a typo in the e-mail address, and hadn't noticed the bounce (or his recent e-mail to me) as my spam-filters had gotten misconfigured recently by the house SysAdmin in an update. =^.6=
Unfortunately... I don't seem to have the clipping file I sent to Lazer previously. I never backed that up, as I didn't consider it that important, and since I didn't think I'd be doing anything else with Nancy after that (since Lazer and DarkATi have said they're going to stay on VHE), I did a final backup of everything I had and removed the files. I still have the vent system and locational brushwork, and just sent that along.
Apparently the e-mail got lost in the proverbial shuffle. Namely, I made a typo in the e-mail address, and hadn't noticed the bounce (or his recent e-mail to me) as my spam-filters had gotten misconfigured recently by the house SysAdmin in an update. =^.6=
Unfortunately... I don't seem to have the clipping file I sent to Lazer previously. I never backed that up, as I didn't consider it that important, and since I didn't think I'd be doing anything else with Nancy after that (since Lazer and DarkATi have said they're going to stay on VHE), I did a final backup of everything I had and removed the files. I still have the vent system and locational brushwork, and just sent that along. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
A bounced e-mail will sometimes contain the original file for just the reason you mentioned.
If you are using outlook, you should also have a copy of it in your sent items folder.
If you deleted the sent item it may also be in your deleted items folder...
And if that fails, you can see if your sysadmin has a backup of the data...
Or if you don't want to go that route, and you are on Exchange you can always try to do a deleted item recovery (click on deleted items, go up to tools I believe, and choose recover deleted items)
Now if you are not using Outlook and Exchange, I have just wasted my time typing this entire message. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
Incase you didn't get my email WolfWings:
Send me those pieces and I'll add them in. Send Flayra the poorly textured, but playable version as just a preview. I'll send him the final when I finish it.
And I gotta say sorry to everyone else for the delay. I think it was a lack of communication on everyone's part (including mine) that has delayed this. Hopefully this will be finished really soon.
Good things always come to those who wait <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
*usesOperawithintegratedemailclient*
*usesOperawithintegratedemailclient* <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's right. Because Bill Gates made things mainstream and friendly for the everyday user people jump all over him. I have a dual boot system running SlackWare Linux / Windows XP. I don't feel like changing my computer habits to suit the Linux OS. I like Mac OS X alot but you have to have Mac Hardware and PCs are more customizable and become more personal to me.
All in all my point is that I grew up with Microsoft. (God do you remember when Windows was a DOS Prompt just with prettier colors? (Ver. 1.0)? Geez, we've come along way. The entire line of Microsoft Products are very secure indeed but as Nerd said, people like to hack into / crack anything Microsoft just to get on the news, or maybe because in their stoner minds Bill Gates has done something wrong.
Well, quite frankly I should expect to see Bill Gates name in textbooks in something like 50 years, he is definetly a pioneer. Without him, I wouldn't be talking to you folks right now.
<!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
~ DarkATi
EDIT: w00t! My 401st post!
Valve was using both....
I was making an educated guess, the reason was because he said that the IT guy at work...well most business do not have the forsight, nor the experience to implement a Linux/Unix environment, let alone do anything if they do get it implemented. As bad as M$ can be, it is still top on the list of OS's for business's do to the lack of general expertise needed to admin it.
So with the assumption (I know what assume means) I figured I would try to help a fellow out. May it be wrong or right...
*usesOperawithintegratedemailclient* <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Personally, they are only secure if you keep up on the myriad of updates that come out daily/weekly...unfortunately most admins don't have the downtime window to do the updates needed to secure there systems. I admin a M$ network that I implemented, is it the most secure, I wish it was, I have been working on doing as such, but it is only 3 servers and about 20 clients, so I have some leeway....
However don't kid yourself. M$ is riddled with holes, with more being found daily, you can say it is because they are a target, well the *nix systems are targets too, it isn't as easy to compromise them as it is with M$ products, which makes them even more of a target to the fact that script kiddies can download and attack with little to no knowledge of what they are doing.
Of course this really isn't about M$, e-mails, or anything like that...
Back to topic....So with the setback, how much time before you think Nancy will be able to be online again?
Just wondering and waiting patiently!
I was making an educated guess, the reason was because he said that the IT guy at work...well most business do not have the forsight, nor the experience to implement a Linux/Unix environment, let alone do anything if they do get it implemented. As bad as M$ can be, it is still top on the list of OS's for business's do to the lack of general expertise needed to admin it.
So with the assumption (I know what assume means) I figured I would try to help a fellow out. May it be wrong or right... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
No... I said the <b>house</b> SysAdmin, namely the guy that has root on the central Linux-based router/web server/firewall for the house I live in (9 people, 42 ethernet drops, full-blown phone system, single-story large house, half the residents work for the same company, which is co-owned by the actual homeowner) goofed with a recent update to the anti-spam settings.
Thankfully, we all have our filters set up to simply re-folder 'spam' and not delete it, just in case of situations like this.
Unfortunately, I have mine set up to tac-nuke attachments sent to the spam folder, as it reduces the usual flurry of 100-200k 'virus' spams down to 3-5k for easy mass-marking and deletion without filling up the hard drive the e-mail is stored on.
Thanks for the helpful thoughts, but for future reference, I haven't loaded anything other than PINE or simply reading my mail-spool file directly in a text editor in over 10 years. :-)
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That's right. Because Bill Gates made things mainstream and friendly for the everyday user people jump all over him. I have a dual boot system running SlackWare Linux / Windows XP. I don't feel like changing my computer habits to suit the Linux OS. I like Mac OS X alot but you have to have Mac Hardware and PCs are more customizable and become more personal to me.
All in all my point is that I grew up with Microsoft. (God do you remember when Windows was a DOS Prompt just with prettier colors? (Ver. 1.0)? Geez, we've come along way. The entire line of Microsoft Products are very secure indeed but as Nerd said, people like to hack into / crack anything Microsoft just to get on the news, or maybe because in their stoner minds Bill Gates has done something wrong.
Well, quite frankly I should expect to see Bill Gates name in textbooks in something like 50 years, he is definetly a pioneer. Without him, I wouldn't be talking to you folks right now.
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~ DarkATi
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a bit off topic-
General Custer is in the history books too, doesnt make what he did right, and Gates being in the history books wont make stealing the apple os right, either
If you disagree with what i just said, reply in PM, dont want this thread closed
It was just casually brought up that Outlook is full of security holes.
Anyway, I have no idea what's going on with this map and it's starting to annoy me. What's the hold up?
~ DarkATi
and yes a web page would be nice cause i dont feel like going through 66 pages!!!
Sorry to steer this off topic >_<
But one thing about hitler. He wasnt a political genius. He was an orator. A loudmouth. He did the speeches and inspired the masses. It was his henchmen and his aides that did most of the real work.
He just happened to be at the right place, at the right time, with the worst set of ideals imaginable...
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Keep it together, guys, "this ones for real", it says - keep it that way!
You guys have captivated a pretty big gathering, remade most of an adored map from scratch, and made mapping interesting!
Keep it up, don't stop-a rockin!
-DD
*edit* - Woah! i just noticed this thread is nearly 2% of the mapping forum in size... w00t. *edit*
Dont flame now, im just trying to help