moultanoCreator of ns_shiva.Join Date: 2002-12-14Member: 10806Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Gold, NS2 Community Developer, Pistachionauts
<!--QuoteBegin--DarkATi+Jan 16 2004, 08:13 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DarkATi @ Jan 16 2004, 08:13 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> When did Relic say he didn't want Bast worked on? Did I miss something?
~ DarkATi <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I was just guessing that it was implied by leaving, taking the source with him, and not responding to attempts to contact him.
edit: And lazer, I found that the pre-2.0 Bast was incredibly cool. If you do decide to remake it, I suggest working on the 1.04 one. Most people dislike some of the 2.0 additions, and the map rarely gets played now <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
ssjyodaJoin Date: 2002-03-05Member: 274Members, Squad Five Blue
there were no additions in 2.0. The source was gone way before... I personally think u guys should redo bast, I enjoyed it much much more than nancy. Changes do need to be made to balance it out, which is why it should be redone. It is a very unique map.. I love it
<!--QuoteBegin--Lazer+Jan 16 2004, 08:47 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Lazer @ Jan 16 2004, 08:47 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Well Flayra asked me if our team wanted to remake bast. I said I wasn't sure. I dunno if I want to though, bast was such an unbalanced map. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Flay would really like to see Bast playable again; it was the first map completely finished for the mod and he spent hundreds of hours testing on it, so it holds some special memories for him.
If Relic gave his blessing, I might actually want to be part of a Bast project myself. The map's gameplay is flawed, but the visuals are incredible and Bast is still the first map I think of when I think of the NS "feel" (although 2.0x eclipse is up there, too). Without Relic's consent, though, I'm going to sit it out.
<!--QuoteBegin--XP-Cagey+Jan 16 2004, 12:33 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (XP-Cagey @ Jan 16 2004, 12:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Lazer+Jan 16 2004, 08:47 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Lazer @ Jan 16 2004, 08:47 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Well Flayra asked me if our team wanted to remake bast. I said I wasn't sure. I dunno if I want to though, bast was such an unbalanced map. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Flay would really like to see Bast playable again; it was the first map completely finished for the mod and he spent hundreds of hours testing on it, so it holds some special memories for him.
If Relic gave his blessing, I might actually want to be part of a Bast project myself. The map's gameplay is flawed, but the visuals are incredible and Bast is still the first map I think of when I think of the NS "feel" (although 2.0x eclipse is up there, too). Without Relic's consent, though, I'm going to sit it out. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I think that Bast should be remade. It would be really really nice to see Bast V2. If it followed the same principles that Eclipse v2 followed (example) then Bast could be a much better map for upcoming NS Versions. Personally I'd love to do it, but with my own map and time I couldn't possibly help, not even in a team.
I hope to see Lazer and Co re-make it, if Relic gives blessing.
<!--QuoteBegin--ssjyoda+Jan 16 2004, 12:27 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ssjyoda @ Jan 16 2004, 12:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> there were no additions in 2.0. The source was gone way before... I personally think u guys should redo bast, I enjoyed it much much more than nancy. Changes do need to be made to balance it out, which is why it should be redone. It is a very unique map.. I love it <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> There were changes when 2.0 was released in bast, the vent at marine start was changed - it didnt used to have the gap in it when it was welded, it used to be completely covered when welded <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--XP-Cagey+Jan 16 2004, 12:33 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (XP-Cagey @ Jan 16 2004, 12:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Lazer+Jan 16 2004, 08:47 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Lazer @ Jan 16 2004, 08:47 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Well Flayra asked me if our team wanted to remake bast. I said I wasn't sure. I dunno if I want to though, bast was such an unbalanced map. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Flay would really like to see Bast playable again; it was the first map completely finished for the mod and he spent hundreds of hours testing on it, so it holds some special memories for him.
If Relic gave his blessing, I might actually want to be part of a Bast project myself. The map's gameplay is flawed, but the visuals are incredible and Bast is still the first map I think of when I think of the NS "feel" (although 2.0x eclipse is up there, too). Without Relic's consent, though, I'm going to sit it out. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Well if you wanna get involved too then maybe I will. I just don't want to have such a big part as I did in the nancy project.
I have started remaking the MS already (when I said I had a working decompile), so... if there is enough interest we can start forming a team and doing some progress...
haha. i just started doin the ms awell i got it decompiled today. i'd love to be part of it! i'll continue to redo it anyway but maybe ill start with another area see how that goes.
Maybe there should be a new topic for remaking Bast. It could be as big as this topic. Or we could keep making this thread longer. That works too. I don't know a thinga bout mapping, so I won't be involved with that.
Thanks for all the hard works guys. I never got to play it first time around, so thanks for giving a whole new generation of NS players the chance to experience the wonders of Nancy. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Edit: Oh, and a Bast remake would be awesome. I love that map, but I have to admit that it could certainly use some tweeking, and what with the lost source and all... <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> Yeah, have at it if you have the time. I'm sure we'd all be very thankfull.
<!--QuoteBegin--ssjyoda+Jan 16 2004, 12:27 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ssjyoda @ Jan 16 2004, 12:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> there were no additions in 2.0. The source was gone way before... I personally think u guys should redo bast, I enjoyed it much much more than nancy. Changes do need to be made to balance it out, which is why it should be redone. It is a very unique map.. I love it <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> When 2.0 came out the vent in marine start was changed... for the worse in mine and many other opinions. It also appeared that there were some smoke or evaporating water added in refinery. I am not sure if the vent change was done before but was after 1.0 came out. But the vent is a notable change.
<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=4&t=59441' target='_blank'>http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/in...=ST&f=4&t=59441</a> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> It appears Mendasp already had a team going unbeknownst to me, so consider my thread obsolete.
<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=4&t=59441' target='_blank'>http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/in...=ST&f=4&t=59441</a> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> It appears Mendasp already had a team going unbeknownst to me, so consider my thread obsolete.
~ DarkATi <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I not so long ago contacted Sir Pepe on re-creating Fenris, got the go ahead, if your interested DarkATI + Others?
<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=4&t=59441' target='_blank'>http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/in...=ST&f=4&t=59441</a> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> It appears Mendasp already had a team going unbeknownst to me, so consider my thread obsolete.
~ DarkATi <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I not so long ago contacted Sir Pepe on re-creating Fenris, got the go ahead, if your interested DarkATI + Others? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I was definetly into re-creating Bast but I'll take recent events as a sign from the man upstairs that I need to focus on my own original NS maps Ns_Scout and Ns_Octane, the both of them have been put on hold because of the Nancy Remake Team (which I have no regrets about, I'm glad to have been a part of something so great) and I need to hunker down and get them ready to send to Flay whenever submissions open up again for 3.x. Sorry, I just can't justify re-creating another map right now. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
Newsflash; 3.0f changelog posted in Constellation and Veteran forums, ns_nancy is in!
Flayra posted that at 1:20AM sunday, and said the servers would be updated within a few hours. Seeing as how Joev is +5 hours from us, I'd expect the servers to be updated by the time us EST folks are waking up.
<!--QuoteBegin---Sir_Pepe-+Jan 6 2004, 06:01 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (-Sir_Pepe- @ Jan 6 2004, 06:01 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--ANeM+Jan 5 2004, 09:58 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ANeM @ Jan 5 2004, 09:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Heh.. now on to bast and Fenris? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I found a really old .map of fenris some time ago... a mean _really_ old. Two hives (Biotech and Cargo) and the readyroom are missing and some areas found in the map have been heavily modified during months of testing.
If anyone wants to resurrect fenris, tell me and you'll get everything i have left of it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I'd be honoured to remake Fenris for you man, just say the word and send the map <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
PM me <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
What is this "Fenris" you're talking about? I understand it's a map, but could someone tell me what happened or some information about it? <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Also, gj on nancy remake team, even though I haven't ever played nancy.
NANCY2 is played on every server today. I tried it and im so pleased to find it again <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Anyway, a few troubles :
- The double ladders near Mess are like an auto-lift : you start climbing and you find yourself in the air !!
- The Noname --> Mother !! WTH did you do with that ? History made it a mistake that became a myth. Noname is now NONAME for everybody. Who cares about the original forbiden name of this hive ? Mother, lol. Why not Grand'Pa !??
- New hives are larger and nice ; anyway, in Subspace, the vent in the roof allowed a Lerk to snipe and a Skulk to hide and observe. You forgot to map it as it was exactly.
<!--QuoteBegin--oOTOo+Jan 19 2004, 05:48 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (oOTOo @ Jan 19 2004, 05:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> NANCY2 is played on every server today. I tried it and im so pleased to find it again <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Anyway, a few troubles :
- The double ladders near Mess are like an auto-lift : you start climbing and you find yourself in the air !!
- The Noname --> Mother !! WTH did you do with that ? History made it a mistake that became a myth. Noname is now NONAME for everybody. Who cares about the original forbiden name of this hive ? Mother, lol. Why not Grand'Pa !??
- New hives are larger and nice ; anyway, in Subspace, the vent in the roof allowed a Lerk to snipe and a Skulk to hide and observe. You forgot to map it as it was exactly. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> First of all: He knows about the ladders: He does play the map, after all. Second: He has tried to keep as close to the original spirit of the map as possible. Noname was a bug, and he fixed the bug. Take this up with Devildog, because his word is the only on that will change the name now. Third: Several changes were made for balance, and to comply with unwritten 2.0 rules. One of these is that you should not be able to shoot hives from vents. In 1.04, you could hit the Subspace hive from the vent with little fear of retribution. This was changed, so you have to put yourself in danger to attack the hive.
I'm here to say a BIG THANK YOU to you all for remaking NS_NANCY. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
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~ DarkATi <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I was just guessing that it was implied by leaving, taking the source with him, and not responding to attempts to contact him.
edit: And lazer, I found that the pre-2.0 Bast was incredibly cool. If you do decide to remake it, I suggest working on the 1.04 one. Most people dislike some of the 2.0 additions, and the map rarely gets played now <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
Flay would really like to see Bast playable again; it was the first map completely finished for the mod and he spent hundreds of hours testing on it, so it holds some special memories for him.
If Relic gave his blessing, I might actually want to be part of a Bast project myself. The map's gameplay is flawed, but the visuals are incredible and Bast is still the first map I think of when I think of the NS "feel" (although 2.0x eclipse is up there, too). Without Relic's consent, though, I'm going to sit it out.
Flay would really like to see Bast playable again; it was the first map completely finished for the mod and he spent hundreds of hours testing on it, so it holds some special memories for him.
If Relic gave his blessing, I might actually want to be part of a Bast project myself. The map's gameplay is flawed, but the visuals are incredible and Bast is still the first map I think of when I think of the NS "feel" (although 2.0x eclipse is up there, too). Without Relic's consent, though, I'm going to sit it out. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think that Bast should be remade. It would be really really nice to see Bast V2. If it followed the same principles that Eclipse v2 followed (example) then Bast could be a much better map for upcoming NS Versions. Personally I'd love to do it, but with my own map and time I couldn't possibly help, not even in a team.
I hope to see Lazer and Co re-make it, if Relic gives blessing.
There were changes when 2.0 was released in bast, the vent at marine start was changed - it didnt used to have the gap in it when it was welded, it used to be completely covered when welded <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
Flay would really like to see Bast playable again; it was the first map completely finished for the mod and he spent hundreds of hours testing on it, so it holds some special memories for him.
If Relic gave his blessing, I might actually want to be part of a Bast project myself. The map's gameplay is flawed, but the visuals are incredible and Bast is still the first map I think of when I think of the NS "feel" (although 2.0x eclipse is up there, too). Without Relic's consent, though, I'm going to sit it out. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well if you wanna get involved too then maybe I will. I just don't want to have such a big part as I did in the nancy project.
but maybe ill start with another area see how that goes.
Edit: Oh, and a Bast remake would be awesome. I love that map, but I have to admit that it could certainly use some tweeking, and what with the lost source and all... <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> Yeah, have at it if you have the time. I'm sure we'd all be very thankfull.
When 2.0 came out the vent in marine start was changed... for the worse in mine and many other opinions.
It also appeared that there were some smoke or evaporating water added in refinery. I am not sure if the vent change was done before but was after 1.0 came out. But the vent is a notable change.
<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=4&t=59441' target='_blank'>http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/in...=ST&f=4&t=59441</a>
<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=4&t=59441' target='_blank'>http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/in...=ST&f=4&t=59441</a> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
It appears Mendasp already had a team going unbeknownst to me, so consider my thread obsolete.
~ DarkATi
<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=4&t=59441' target='_blank'>http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/in...=ST&f=4&t=59441</a> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It appears Mendasp already had a team going unbeknownst to me, so consider my thread obsolete.
~ DarkATi <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I not so long ago contacted Sir Pepe on re-creating Fenris, got the go ahead, if your interested DarkATI + Others?
<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=4&t=59441' target='_blank'>http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/in...=ST&f=4&t=59441</a> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It appears Mendasp already had a team going unbeknownst to me, so consider my thread obsolete.
~ DarkATi <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I not so long ago contacted Sir Pepe on re-creating Fenris, got the go ahead, if your interested DarkATI + Others? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I was definetly into re-creating Bast but I'll take recent events as a sign from the man upstairs that I need to focus on my own original NS maps Ns_Scout and Ns_Octane, the both of them have been put on hold because of the Nancy Remake Team (which I have no regrets about, I'm glad to have been a part of something so great) and I need to hunker down and get them ready to send to Flay whenever submissions open up again for 3.x. Sorry, I just can't justify re-creating another map right now. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
~ DarkATi
Flayra posted that at 1:20AM sunday, and said the servers would be updated within a few hours. Seeing as how Joev is +5 hours from us, I'd expect the servers to be updated by the time us EST folks are waking up.
I found a really old .map of fenris some time ago... a mean _really_ old. Two hives (Biotech and Cargo) and the readyroom are missing and some areas found in the map have been heavily modified during months of testing.
If anyone wants to resurrect fenris, tell me and you'll get everything i have left of it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'd be honoured to remake Fenris for you man, just say the word and send the map <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
PM me <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Also, gj on nancy remake team, even though I haven't ever played nancy.
Anyway, a few troubles :
- The double ladders near Mess are like an auto-lift : you start climbing and you find yourself in the air !!
- The Noname --> Mother !! WTH did you do with that ? History made it a mistake that became a myth. Noname is now NONAME for everybody. Who cares about the original forbiden name of this hive ? Mother, lol. Why not Grand'Pa !??
- New hives are larger and nice ; anyway, in Subspace, the vent in the roof allowed a Lerk to snipe and a Skulk to hide and observe. You forgot to map it as it was exactly.
Anyway, a few troubles :
- The double ladders near Mess are like an auto-lift : you start climbing and you find yourself in the air !!
- The Noname --> Mother !! WTH did you do with that ? History made it a mistake that became a myth. Noname is now NONAME for everybody. Who cares about the original forbiden name of this hive ? Mother, lol. Why not Grand'Pa !??
- New hives are larger and nice ; anyway, in Subspace, the vent in the roof allowed a Lerk to snipe and a Skulk to hide and observe. You forgot to map it as it was exactly. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
First of all: He knows about the ladders: He does play the map, after all.
Second: He has tried to keep as close to the original spirit of the map as possible. Noname was a bug, and he fixed the bug. Take this up with Devildog, because his word is the only on that will change the name now.
Third: Several changes were made for balance, and to comply with unwritten 2.0 rules. One of these is that you should not be able to shoot hives from vents. In 1.04, you could hit the Subspace hive from the vent with little fear of retribution. This was changed, so you have to put yourself in danger to attack the hive.