Welcome to the internet, no one cares what your sex is, for all we care you could be a martian or an elephant. We're just playing games, and as long as you act mature and courteous no one cares what your race/age/sex is, or whether or not your a filthy communist dog. Its the intarweb, no one cares!
So stop grabbing for attention and get back to gaming.
The thing that pisses me off more than anything is exactly what has been put here.
I dont care wether females play or not tbh...i have several women in my NS clan ( YO ) and we had in our CS squad. I do disagree with is that ppl behave differently towards them. surley the idea of a non-discriminative social group is to not kick up a big fuss, which leads to this -->
Whenever somebody finds out somebody is a woman they kick up a fuss, this is either done by general conversation or by the female person WANTING every1 to know.
As much as i agree with these posts, all i see this is is making something out of nothing <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
who cares if women play NS (or anything for that matter), as they say 'the worlds best chefs are men' so why cant some of the worlds best gamers be women?
(i have probably missed my entire point here as i am no good at putting words into text but meh =/)
ShockehIf a packet drops on the web and nobody's near to see it...Join Date: 2002-11-19Member: 9336NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation
Actually, to bring up a valid point.
(And possibly drag this into 'Discussions' via a visit from NemZer)
But, I think 'Girl Gamers' would stop receiving quite so much attention if the groups that there were didn't isolate themselves so much.
Example : There is a 'Girls Only' Q3 clan. If I, as a man, created a 'Men Only' Q3 clan, and it was noticed, there would be hate mail dumping into my inbox daily.
If you want to be accepted as part of the gaming community, quit trying to point yourselves out as anything but gamers.
<b>*NB*</b> for the politically correct police : This isn't directed at any particular person. It's a general comment about gamers, which happens in this case to use women gamers as an example.
Girls playing online games are great. They usually play better than average and usually cooperate much better. We have a girl in clan and i know 3 other girls playing NS from server where I play. In my former CS clan we had woman clanleader :-)
<!--QuoteBegin--GhostlyPea+Sep 8 2003, 07:35 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (GhostlyPea @ Sep 8 2003, 07:35 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> as they say 'the worlds best chefs are men' <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Awww, beat me to it..
I was gonna say, most of the better proffesional cooks I have met are male, however, for true home cooked meals, my husband still likes my cooking. .<!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
I like playing with girls. Although they aren't really different from guys, they bring a nice change. I guess it's some natural unconscious unexplainable-by-common-language thing.
And I sure prefer a girl to the generic 12-year-old's high-pitched voice.
I think a lot of people here are missing the point. For everyone who has posted "I don't care about your sex it's whether you can shoot straight/follow orders/own skulks/own marines/interior decorate my bedroom" (delete as apprpropriate <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->) that's cool and I'm sure Dust Bunny realises that is the majority of dudes attitudes.
I think she's just mentioning that there are still some plonkers out there though and mebe if we see this sort of behaviour to challenge it and give support.
Shockwave - the same applies to creation of girl clans too. They are created because of the kinda s***they face on a daily level when playing games so that they can play in an enviroment where it's not about receiving comments because of your sex, but to play the game in a decent lech free zone.
<!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo--> Im not a girl but i do get annoyed when people try to mack on girls when they play.... or ask them for sex please people they are here to blow the hell out of skulks too not for you.... <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo-->
I haven't had many problems with discrimination while playing NS. The worst is actually, when people treat me different in a supposedly positive way: The commander gives other marines a waypoint to guard me, or something like that. Also, I don't have a very manly voice, which often leads people to think that I am a 12 year old boy, and 12 year old boys are appearently are appearently much worse off than girls, for that makes people think that I am just a stupid n00b with no right to an opinion.
Women playing NS aren't different from men - some of them are team players, some of them are ramboes, some whine, some don't, some are vets, and some n00bs. Get over it already.
*Edit* Quote didn't work, I was referring to the good wife's guide *edit*
I don't find that offensive (though i'm not a girl so I don't know), I find it FUNNY AS HELL, lol.
"Remember, his topics of conversation are more important than yours" lol
"Don't complain if he's late for dinner or even stays out all night" ROFL
"After all, catering for his comfort will provide you with immense personal satisfaction" AAAHAAHAAHAAA!
Man, the 50's must have sucked for women <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
On a more serious note; women are generally less motivated by individual score, hence women are usually better team players. They are also better at concentrating on many things at once, so in theory at least, they should be better commanders. That said, men are also supposed to be more logical so I don't know... any women comms?
And since women are less concerned with their personal score, they will tend to be better gorges and lerks.
On the other hand, men are more single-minded (not always a good thing, as most girls will tell you <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> ) and so in general blokes <i>should</i> be better at performing just one task (i.e, killing), but not so good at keeping an eye on their teammates, or when that hive is going up.
And for those who hit on the girls in servers... why? You think you have a chance of meeting them IRL... ever? Go look at pr0n you hormone crazed teenangster (I suppose I would fall into this catagory).
What does it matter, I'm a jerk to everyon equally...seriously though I feel theres only 1-2 things that really seperate a female from a male...
As long as you enjoy the game it dosen't matter <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
GrendelAll that is fear...Join Date: 2002-07-19Member: 970Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, NS2 Playtester
Find a decent server with reliable admins.
Jarhedz servers get quite a few female players, simply because facists like me ban people out of hand for going all "Barry White" in-game (god rest his pie murdering soul).
There are few things that annoy me as much as people who care about what gender, race or religion another player are. Save the sexing up for AIM.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Grendel Posted on Sep 8 2003, 08:25 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Find a decent server with reliable admins.
Jarhedz servers get quite a few female players, simply because facists like me ban people out of hand for going all "Barry White" in-game (god rest his pie murdering soul).
There are few things that annoy me as much as people who care about what gender, race or religion another player are. Save the sexing up for AIM. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No grendel she doesn't like you. <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/nerd.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd.gif'><!--endemo-->
Not to be dismissing or any but...are girls really that special? Not that ive seen many around ns yet....but then again the community is nt that huge...
I do agree girls get far more attention than then should in games(liek cs) but I though NS people were older than 13 in average..
<!--QuoteBegin--Ah forget it+Sep 8 2003, 09:59 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ah forget it @ Sep 8 2003, 09:59 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Sad to find that you are still getting s*** of this kind in the 22nd Century. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> 22nd? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--BeRzErKeR+Sep 8 2003, 07:11 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BeRzErKeR @ Sep 8 2003, 07:11 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I like playing with girls. Although they aren't really different from guys ... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Lol. Not really different from guys, a long time you have "played" with one ? <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> (nudge nudge, wink wink, say no more !)
My sister is a gamer, and on the server we frequent no one has ever said any derogatory comments about her sex, and no one has ever tried to hit on her. I guess thats the benefits of living in Australia.
Girls shouldn't use voicecoms. <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo-->
All that bloody giggling is distracting! <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> darnit, don't you realize what that does to a guy? I'll be happilly fragging along, munch some rine a$$, crack a joke, and *BAM* the one chick on the alien team has to giggle over voice coms! Suddenly my brain goes from "KILL KILL KILL!!" to "Wha? Girl?! WHERE?!" mode, and it throws my game! DAMN YOU! DAMN YOUR FEMININE WILES!! <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Nah, seriously though. I've done my rounds in the gaming universe, and ran into my fair share of female gamers. Yeah they do get flak, and its unfortunate. There are a lot of immature players out on the net, because there aren't any consequences to acting like an ****. I guess girls just have to be extra picky asto when and where they reveal themselves, so they can avoid the idiots, and enjoy the game with some mature players. Tis unfortunate, but that'll probably be the rule and not the exception - right up until we eliminate gender biases from society. Heh. Right. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
JANE is the best Girl who plays NS anywise, so who cares about the rest of you girls! <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Since guys who are stupid enough to do this, can be stupid enough to not be able to accept girls in gaming, so as always, deal with the stupid people and just continue with life <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
As the only girl of pretty much any clan I've been a member of, they've always treated me as just another member, except that they could flirt with. Most servers have been lovely as well, and couldn't have cared less once the immediate flood of OMG ASL ASL! WHATS UR NAME? died down.
Most if not all of the "omg back in teh kitchenz woman olol!1" does seem to come from the younger, more testosterone-driven guys, the same as most of the g*y/f*g/etc comments; they're insecure about their manliness (as they should be, if they're going to act like that). Actually, I seem to get more comments about a lack of femininity. Sorry guys, much as I love the kitchen, I like blowing stuff up and shooting people in the head inbetween baking pie, shopping, and running around in a skirt. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
As for the comment about us being more team-oriented, I'd have to agree... A few of my female friends took up online gaming (my fault, I suppose), and we all tend to be much more likely to follow comm waypoints / gorge/lerk and support the boys instead of going Rambo. <!--emo&::gorge::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/pudgy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='pudgy.gif'><!--endemo--> Though if my comm sucks, I'm just as likely to run around on suicide missions.
I think the best moment of my gaming career (in regards to me being a girl) was in CS when it came down to a 1v1... the guy was like "NOooOoOOO WHYYYYYYYYYYY" and ran around avoiding my fire without shooting back.... then he ran away to type "Athena, I... I loved you!", and promptly jumped off a bridge to his death.
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So stop grabbing for attention and get back to gaming.
I dont care wether females play or not tbh...i have several women in my NS clan ( YO ) and we had in our CS squad. I do disagree with is that ppl behave differently towards them. surley the idea of a non-discriminative social group is to not kick up a big fuss, which leads to this -->
Whenever somebody finds out somebody is a woman they kick up a fuss, this is either done by general conversation or by the female person WANTING every1 to know.
As much as i agree with these posts, all i see this is is making something out of nothing <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
who cares if women play NS (or anything for that matter), as they say 'the worlds best chefs are men' so why cant some of the worlds best gamers be women?
(i have probably missed my entire point here as i am no good at putting words into text but meh =/)
(And possibly drag this into 'Discussions' via a visit from NemZer)
But, I think 'Girl Gamers' would stop receiving quite so much attention if the groups that there were didn't isolate themselves so much.
Example : There is a 'Girls Only' Q3 clan. If I, as a man, created a 'Men Only' Q3 clan, and it was noticed, there would be hate mail dumping into my inbox daily.
If you want to be accepted as part of the gaming community, quit trying to point yourselves out as anything but gamers.
<b>*NB*</b> for the politically correct police : This isn't directed at any particular person. It's a general comment about gamers, which happens in this case to use women gamers as an example.
They usually play better than average and usually cooperate much better.
We have a girl in clan and i know 3 other girls playing NS from server where I play.
In my former CS clan we had woman clanleader :-)
Awww, beat me to it..
I was gonna say, most of the better proffesional cooks I have met are male, however, for true home cooked meals, my husband still likes my cooking. .<!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Take care all.. Give'm hell
LS
I really don't mind seeing a girl play,anyway 1 more player means more people for the community!
And I sure prefer a girl to the generic 12-year-old's high-pitched voice.
I think she's just mentioning that there are still some plonkers out there though and mebe if we see this sort of behaviour to challenge it and give support.
Shockwave - the same applies to creation of girl clans too. They are created because of the kinda s***they face on a daily level when playing games so that they can play in an enviroment where it's not about receiving comments because of your sex, but to play the game in a decent lech free zone.
Women playing NS aren't different from men - some of them are team players, some of them are ramboes, some whine, some don't, some are vets, and some n00bs. Get over it already.
I don't find that offensive (though i'm not a girl so I don't know), I find it FUNNY AS HELL, lol.
"Remember, his topics of conversation are more important than yours" lol
"Don't complain if he's late for dinner or even stays out all night" ROFL
"After all, catering for his comfort will provide you with immense personal satisfaction" AAAHAAHAAHAAA!
Man, the 50's must have sucked for women <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
On a more serious note; women are generally less motivated by individual score, hence women are usually better team players. They are also better at concentrating on many things at once, so in theory at least, they should be better commanders. That said, men are also supposed to be more logical so I don't know... any women comms?
And since women are less concerned with their personal score, they will tend to be better gorges and lerks.
On the other hand, men are more single-minded (not always a good thing, as most girls will tell you <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> ) and so in general blokes <i>should</i> be better at performing just one task (i.e, killing), but not so good at keeping an eye on their teammates, or when that hive is going up.
And for those who hit on the girls in servers... why? You think you have a chance of meeting them IRL... ever? Go look at pr0n you hormone crazed teenangster (I suppose I would fall into this catagory).
As long as you enjoy the game it dosen't matter <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
<insert attention **** macro here> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Nekked pics? <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/nerd.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd.gif'><!--endemo-->
Jarhedz servers get quite a few female players, simply because facists like me ban people out of hand for going all "Barry White" in-game (god rest his pie murdering soul).
There are few things that annoy me as much as people who care about what gender, race or religion another player are. Save the sexing up for AIM.
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Find a decent server with reliable admins.
Jarhedz servers get quite a few female players, simply because facists like me ban people out of hand for going all "Barry White" in-game (god rest his pie murdering soul).
There are few things that annoy me as much as people who care about what gender, race or religion another player are. Save the sexing up for AIM. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No grendel she doesn't like you. <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/nerd.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd.gif'><!--endemo-->
I do agree girls get far more attention than then should in games(liek cs) but I though NS people were older than 13 in average..
Shes does actually. Everyone likes Grendy <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
22nd? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
Lol. Not really different from guys, a long time you have "played" with one ? <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> (nudge nudge, wink wink, say no more !)
All that bloody giggling is distracting! <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
darnit, don't you realize what that does to a guy? I'll be happilly fragging along, munch some rine a$$, crack a joke, and *BAM* the one chick on the alien team has to giggle over voice coms! Suddenly my brain goes from "KILL KILL KILL!!" to "Wha? Girl?! WHERE?!" mode, and it throws my game! DAMN YOU! DAMN YOUR FEMININE WILES!! <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Nah, seriously though. I've done my rounds in the gaming universe, and ran into my fair share of female gamers. Yeah they do get flak, and its unfortunate. There are a lot of immature players out on the net, because there aren't any consequences to acting like an ****. I guess girls just have to be extra picky asto when and where they reveal themselves, so they can avoid the idiots, and enjoy the game with some mature players. Tis unfortunate, but that'll probably be the rule and not the exception - right up until we eliminate gender biases from society. Heh. Right. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Most if not all of the "omg back in teh kitchenz woman olol!1" does seem to come from the younger, more testosterone-driven guys, the same as most of the g*y/f*g/etc comments; they're insecure about their manliness (as they should be, if they're going to act like that). Actually, I seem to get more comments about a lack of femininity. Sorry guys, much as I love the kitchen, I like blowing stuff up and shooting people in the head inbetween baking pie, shopping, and running around in a skirt. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
As for the comment about us being more team-oriented, I'd have to agree... A few of my female friends took up online gaming (my fault, I suppose), and we all tend to be much more likely to follow comm waypoints / gorge/lerk and support the boys instead of going Rambo. <!--emo&::gorge::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/pudgy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='pudgy.gif'><!--endemo--> Though if my comm sucks, I'm just as likely to run around on suicide missions.
I think the best moment of my gaming career (in regards to me being a girl) was in CS when it came down to a 1v1... the guy was like "NOooOoOOO WHYYYYYYYYYYY" and ran around avoiding my fire without shooting back.... then he ran away to type "Athena, I... I loved you!", and promptly jumped off a bridge to his death.