Sarisel.::' ( O ) ';:-. .-.:;' ( O ) '::.Join Date: 2003-07-30Member: 18557Members, Constellation
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Losing new or semi-new players to obnoxious behaviour isn't good for any gaming community... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You know that this isn't limited to NS alone. It is in almost every gaming community out there - if not in all of them. What you should realize (if you haven't already) is that the people on these forums are more or less accepting of female gamers and are, once again, more or less mature in their conduct in regards to female players.
Unfortunately, there are quite a few individuals out there who are sexist, immature, or both - or worse. Some of those individuals end up playing NS. By posting here you will not change their behaviour. All you can get from this topic is the consolation that the forum population is generally accepting and at ease with female gamers. You're on the same level in terms of gender here, but not necessarily skill or ability. Those you have to achieve for yourself. How and where you achieve them is the important thing.
My advice is that you play on newbie friendly servers with administrators ready to kick any individuals who attack players on terms of gender, using demeaning terms. Other than that, don't act so helpless all of the time. Just because somebody insults your gender, doesn't mean that you should take it personally and feel some <b>great sting</b> that magically accompanies every insult. Learn not to take it so personally. It is one person (or a few in some cases) trying to get the best of you by using unoriginal stabbing methods. It is a psychological thing and it isn't isolated to the female gender either. I'm not saying that you should sit there and accept the insults. Just don't start thinking "oh! Here's some jackass insulting me by my gender - now I will stop playing and leave the gaming community forever." Find another server with admins or figure out an ingenious method of responding to immature comments. Don't give up something that you like doing just because of a few bad apples.
Don't you guys see this pointless wankering was the entire intent of this thread? How did you survive this long being so easily susceptible to trollbaiters? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
I don't care if girls play games. I don't care if guys play games. All I really care is that I play the game and have fun. The only thing that annoys me is when some little kid (under 10) is playing a game and won't shut up.
I fully support women in gaming. I also fully support a wife that can cook, but thats mainly because I can't cook, not because I'm sexist. So basically what I'm trying to say is that we need more chefs in NS. Who's with me eh?
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Don't you guys see this pointless wankering was the entire intent of this thread? How did you survive this long being so easily susceptible to trollbaiters? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Having an opinion on something is pointless wankering? Guess there's always going to be someone who can't discuss things reasonably without attempting to make their opinion the one true and right one. I respect everyone who was polite in saying they disagree with my opinion, and I'm planning on taking people's advice about other servers, once I'm not all swamped with work. But negating someone's opinion because you don't agree is just as much trollbaiting as anything else. Thanks for everyone who gave reasonable advice and opinions!
DustBunny This is my in-game name too, come see me be a n00b on your favorite server today
<!--QuoteBegin--Malevolent+Sep 9 2003, 04:06 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Malevolent @ Sep 9 2003, 04:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I don't care if girls play games. I don't care if guys play games. All I really care is that I play the game and have fun. The only thing that annoys me is when some little kid (under 10) is playing a game and won't shut up. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Agreed, just never ask if their a guy if they have a high pitch voice, me and Quad learned that the hard way. Mainly because the girl shared the name with her little brother. :\
i dunno her full name.. Gorge_girl i believe... i see her sometimes.... the whole team goofs around....
One time i was on we made a whole chivalry thing of bein her bodyguard... i think she got a little annoyed.. but we all had fun..... still won the game too
But i dont have problems with girls playing... itd be nice if more did...
Heh, oh whilst we're on the topic of unequall treatment, enough young bashing <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> , hehe esspecially after skimmin' through this thread <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
Suppose it's not as bad, as a great deal bring it on themselves, but it's alot more rampant... Been avid gamer of most sorts since was 8, online since 13 and 3+ years later I've lost count of times heard "what, you're 13?... just get off the server now... <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo--> "
I'm sure there must be some mature for their age 12-16 y/o's too (yea yea, shock!.. horror!.. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> )
Heh, there's been some nasty cases, like a couple of 9 year olds joining a server getting abused for using voice com (not spamming, using more than most maybe with "he's behind you" between each other) and quite nastily at that, thought generally sportsmanship meant that if younger kids were stuck in an adult team/game they got given alittle leeway not a hard time
Whoops, sorry, after first dozen "they're *all* 12 year old under-socialising pervs" got carried away <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
*PS, covering bases, being the devil's advocate. I'm not a "sun-light virgin" or the freaky thing the fammily keep in the attic jus' cos pre-18 <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Is it too much to ask that people with high-pitched voices (12 year old guys or 15 year old girls) not use microphones? I don't think I'm the only one to speak when I say it is very annoying. I don't think it is sexist in any way. My comment isn't directed towards men or women, young or old, but anyone with high pitched voices. Just TYPE what you have to say.
I have no problem with encountering a female gamer is my playing sessions, but what annoys me more than anything is seeing this post. It is titled "How to deal with a girl playing NS." This title assumes that having a girl in the game should make that player special, different from all other players, and the center of attention. That's what most girls who come on the internet want – attention. They proclaim they are females over and over again, talk about female things (OGmogMOMGOmg my boyfriend just left me :((((((((((((((), and just spam the mic for recognition for this sole purpose. And it works. How many pages has this thread hit in how many days? The answer to how others should "deal" with a girl playing NS is really up to the girl. If a female gamer acts like some kind of cyber-slut (sooooo many of them do that is rare to see a female gamer who isn't online for the sole purpose of attention...) then when others treat you that way – do not be shocked. Being a female and playing games is no different than being black, Jewish, Christian, male, Hindu - whatever - and playing games, but yet we see so many posts like Miss DustBunny’s here. And you cannot dare say anything that goes against the flow of the topic, or disagree with it – or you are considered rude and obnoxious.
I deem it only fair that I also should have a post similar to this. Look for my upcoming post:
"How to deal with a slightly overweight (but carries it well due to height), Irish, white, male with dark hair playing NS."
I really just laugh when boys get all hypo and flirty when girls join..
They act like they have never seen a member of the female species before, locked away in that room all their lives.. ok, a bit of stereotypes thrown in there..
But c'mon i just find it silly they're people giving special treatment, its not like they ernt going to frag you're arse when they see you..
Anyways,. just my pointless rant...
End of the day, its just Polygons <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
DruBoBack In BeigeJoin Date: 2002-02-06Member: 172Members, NS1 Playtester
Steve: rock on.
Speaking of SentrySteve.... it was mentioned earlier that not all girls have voices like pornstars. Well, he's not a girl (afaik), but Steve does. Does that make him a voicecomm attention wh0re? Perhaps. Does it matter? no.
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You know that this isn't limited to NS alone. It is in almost every gaming community out there - if not in all of them. What you should realize (if you haven't already) is that the people on these forums are more or less accepting of female gamers and are, once again, more or less mature in their conduct in regards to female players.
Unfortunately, there are quite a few individuals out there who are sexist, immature, or both - or worse. Some of those individuals end up playing NS. By posting here you will not change their behaviour. All you can get from this topic is the consolation that the forum population is generally accepting and at ease with female gamers. You're on the same level in terms of gender here, but not necessarily skill or ability. Those you have to achieve for yourself. How and where you achieve them is the important thing.
My advice is that you play on newbie friendly servers with administrators ready to kick any individuals who attack players on terms of gender, using demeaning terms. Other than that, don't act so helpless all of the time. Just because somebody insults your gender, doesn't mean that you should take it personally and feel some <b>great sting</b> that magically accompanies every insult. Learn not to take it so personally. It is one person (or a few in some cases) trying to get the best of you by using unoriginal stabbing methods. It is a psychological thing and it isn't isolated to the female gender either. I'm not saying that you should sit there and accept the insults. Just don't start thinking "oh! Here's some jackass insulting me by my gender - now I will stop playing and leave the gaming community forever." Find another server with admins or figure out an ingenious method of responding to immature comments. Don't give up something that you like doing just because of a few bad apples.
My 2 cents.
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Hahaha Mojo <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Having an opinion on something is pointless wankering? Guess there's always going to be someone who can't discuss things reasonably without attempting to make their opinion the one true and right one. I respect everyone who was polite in saying they disagree with my opinion, and I'm planning on taking people's advice about other servers, once I'm not all swamped with work. But negating someone's opinion because you don't agree is just as much trollbaiting as anything else.
Thanks for everyone who gave reasonable advice and opinions!
DustBunny
This is my in-game name too, come see me be a n00b on your favorite server today
Agreed, just never ask if their a guy if they have a high pitch voice, me and Quad learned that the hard way. Mainly because the girl shared the name with her little brother. :\
One time i was on we made a whole chivalry thing of bein her bodyguard... i think she got a little annoyed.. but we all had fun..... still won the game too
But i dont have problems with girls playing... itd be nice if more did...
~Jason
Suppose it's not as bad, as a great deal bring it on themselves, but it's alot more rampant... Been avid gamer of most sorts since was 8, online since 13 and 3+ years later I've lost count of times heard "what, you're 13?... just get off the server now... <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo--> "
I'm sure there must be some mature for their age 12-16 y/o's too (yea yea, shock!.. horror!.. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> )
Heh, there's been some nasty cases, like a couple of 9 year olds joining a server getting abused for using voice com (not spamming, using more than most maybe with "he's behind you" between each other) and quite nastily at that, thought generally sportsmanship meant that if younger kids were stuck in an adult team/game they got given alittle leeway not a hard time
Whoops, sorry, after first dozen "they're *all* 12 year old under-socialising pervs" got carried away <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
*PS, covering bases, being the devil's advocate. I'm not a "sun-light virgin" or the freaky thing the fammily keep in the attic jus' cos pre-18 <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
I deem it only fair that I also should have a post similar to this. Look for my upcoming post:
"How to deal with a slightly overweight (but carries it well due to height), Irish, white, male with dark hair playing NS."
"Hey..kid...for your cd-key, I'll talk on the mic for a minute."
it'd be better if you could all just shut up and realize that.
honestly... sad sh*t.
They act like they have never seen a member of the female species before, locked away in that room all their lives.. ok, a bit of stereotypes thrown in there..
But c'mon i just find it silly they're people giving special treatment, its not like they ernt going to frag you're arse when they see you..
Anyways,. just my pointless rant...
End of the day, its just Polygons <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
G4y men enjoy cooking, too <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Umm
So do some straight men.
Heheh <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Speaking of SentrySteve.... it was mentioned earlier that not all girls have voices like pornstars. Well, he's not a girl (afaik), but Steve does. Does that make him a voicecomm attention wh0re? Perhaps. Does it matter? no.
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