<!--QuoteBegin--TeoH+Sep 18 2003, 07:02 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TeoH @ Sep 18 2003, 07:02 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--DramaKing+Sep 18 2003, 06:34 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DramaKing @ Sep 18 2003, 06:34 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> syn's dead <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> ah. Well that didn't take very long.
I really don't understand the whole clan-hopping phenomenum the US and parts of the EU scenes have going. FWD has been around since 1996, and few people ever really leave the clan, they just stop playing and continue to idle in the channel <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <span style='color:white'>No need to be snide.</span> sYn died because its a really old clan which started as a LAN team before half life even came out - however the original people at NJIT who made it disliked its current shape, or something like that, and made the two members who were pretty much leading quit. now i dont know if theyre going to continue, but without me and remics theyre hardly "BEST CLAN" material.
ZunniThe best thing to happen to I&S in a long whileJoin Date: 2002-11-26Member: 10016Members
edited September 2003
My opinion for best clan?? It depends if you are talking about just general game play? Strategy? Community involvement?
Because in my opinion it's a combination of those things that make the best clan. If a clan goes out and wins 60 matches does that make them better than a clan that brings 60 new players to the game (and helps guide them)?
I don't know...
However, my vote for best clan is [FFT]... based on the fact that they are largely involved in the community and are a good battle clan.
If you are unaware of what [FFT] has done for the community
They are several of the DJ's on NSRadio.... Including <The Show> Fridays at 9 EST (7PST)
They make many of the parodies you have heard including: Million Res Nodes Making my Decision <Stuck in the middle with> Noobs
As well as original pieces: Cleanse da Intruders...
They run a public server games4.jarhedz.com
They are new player friendly....
Plus they are in CAL, and UGL.. and can kick some ****..
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I missed your original reply. Assuming it was something abusive i'll just comment that i didn't mean any offense. It was simply an observation that clans and players seem to be jumping around much more than i'm used to. Admittedly i don't know the history of sYn much further back than about 1.04.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> My opinion for best clan?? It depends if you are talking about just general game play? Strategy? Community involvement? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's a very diplomatic way of looking at it, but i think it's clear to everyone what was implied by the term 'best' :)
well if syn have split, as someone posted, then the best US clan (ham) and the top euro clans will all be competing in the UKNSL, starting this week, and altho ham will have a ping disadvantage, it should go some way to showing who is the best at the moment.
To be truthful it takes clan members, that compete, to decide who is the best (or who they think is the best). Of course everyone is going to want thier clan to be best but most clanners will tell you truthfully who they think is the best clan. And not all scrims are to try new things out. The scrims on the evil server are ran just like it is a match and most of the time both clans even admits that they werent trying new stuff and were playing for real. Scrims are to get ready for a match not practice new strats on a team you want to beat. You pract new strats by splitting you clan into two teams and going at it. It would be dumb for lets say evil to pract a new strat they think would beat ham during a scrim w/ham, Why would that be dumb you ask, because then ham knows of the strat and would develope a way to counter it for the time they play a match. This could be the reason some teams lose, because they are trying the new strats on peeps they play. Think about it!
We've only been able to actually get an interclan scrim thing going once. We don't have the biggest roster in the world, and really the times we did that we knew exactly what the people were going to do on the other times. We knew where they sat, etc. because we play with them so much. Scrimming inter-clan proved, for us at least, to be a waste of a good 45minutes to an hour. We really do try new stuff in a scrim. When picking up new players we tend to pub with them for a bit then give them a spot in a scrim to try them out. It's the way that we run things. Heck, we've had some of our best shooters com scrims. There's no WAY we'd EVER do that in a match. It gives them a chance to see things from a different perspective and it gives them a break from just a normal game. Keeps you sharp.
I actually, once and ONLY once, blown a match because I thought it was a scrim. We were playing HAM on eclipse, and we'd just lost the alien round. I came into the marine round just having got back from class, and I saw that they needed a player. I hopped in and we started. To make a long story short, I never finished the IP [ACCIDENTALLY] before running off to go back up the guys at station access who were getting hammered by skulks. I wouldn't have been that careless if I had known it was a match. Scrims are practice. If you screw up, well, it's a learning experience. You look at how you did, and if you lost, you change it.
[edit: and yes, there was HLTV for this match. Not sure who was in it, but I bet they had a nice good laugh at that one.]
ZunniThe best thing to happen to I&S in a long whileJoin Date: 2002-11-26Member: 10016Members
<!--QuoteBegin--TeoH+Sep 18 2003, 10:25 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TeoH @ Sep 18 2003, 10:25 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->That's a very diplomatic way of looking at it, but i think it's clear to everyone what was implied by the term 'best' <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I dunno about that... If it was so clear, I wouldn't have written my original post <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Because that was the first thing that popped into my head when I read the op..
Read my post again. I didn't call them cheater, I said I'd scrimmed them once, they destroyed us, and we had one member that said he was almost positive he saw a speedhack. What, you think people in leagues never cheat? No one's ever been suspended from CAL for hacking?
I repeat again: I said I was suspicious and I'd have to do a lot of first-person spectating to say for sure either way. Man, ugh. I know someone wouldn't be able to resist making a snide remark about that.
Zunni - yeah, I meant "best" in the sense that "they can beat everyone else in a match".
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Probably, yeah. But that is 2-3 years from now, so.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Personally i don't consider .bm to be exceptional individually, they're certainly good players, but not to the 'omghax' standard. What they really have going for them though is very, very good organisation, and what appears to be an excellent comm.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That could be. During the scrim, no matter what we did, their entire team was always there and in the tactically better position. It was nuts. [GoM] isn't holy jesus amazing, but we're <i>competent</i>.
Frikk - yeah it's a stupid thread. But that doesn't mean it can't be entertaining. And yeah scrims are for practicing and screwing up, but you can still get a rough sense for how good a clan is.
<!--QuoteBegin--kavasa+Sep 18 2003, 08:01 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (kavasa @ Sep 18 2003, 08:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> and we had one member that said he was almost positive he saw a speedhack. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Bunnyhopping is your friend
<!--QuoteBegin--eggmac+Sep 18 2003, 11:07 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (eggmac @ Sep 18 2003, 11:07 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--kavasa+Sep 18 2003, 08:01 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (kavasa @ Sep 18 2003, 08:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> and we had one member that said he was almost positive he saw a speedhack. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Bunnyhopping is your friend <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> It depends, if he was a marine it would be a speed hack since they took out bhopping for marines in game. If it was alien, he was most likely bhopping. Anyways, they don't cheat, I have seen them play, none of their players do amazing 180 turns to kill a skulk that was hiding or walking.
GrendelAll that is fear...Join Date: 2002-07-19Member: 970Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, NS2 Playtester
<!--QuoteBegin--evilTurtle+Sep 18 2003, 04:54 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (evilTurtle @ Sep 18 2003, 04:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> To be truthful it takes clan members, that compete, to decide who is the best (or who they think is the best). Of course everyone is going to want thier clan to be best but most clanners will tell you truthfully who they think is the best clan. And not all scrims are to try new things out. The scrims on the evil server are ran just like it is a match and most of the time both clans even admits that they werent trying new stuff and were playing for real. Scrims are to get ready for a match not practice new strats on a team you want to beat. You pract new strats by splitting you clan into two teams and going at it. It would be dumb for lets say evil to pract a new strat they think would beat ham during a scrim w/ham, Why would that be dumb you ask, because then ham knows of the strat and would develope a way to counter it for the time they play a match. This could be the reason some teams lose, because they are trying the new strats on peeps they play. Think about it!
evil | Turtle -op-
66.28.81.31:27015 <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> We already know all the counters.
That's a basic requirement of being able to test NS.
Incidentally, that's a hint to PTs who need to brush up their playing skills too.
It's quite obvious that European and American NS scenes are quite seperated and that both have quite different gamestyles. A server in the middle of the Atlantic would help to solve the issue
YEAH WHY DONT WE JUST HOST A SERVER FROM THE UNDERWATER UTOPIA OF ATLANTIS, WHY DIDNT I THINK OF THAT
Oh I know why because it would be hard to get someone down there to reboot it after your european cheats and hacks crash it because all you europeans ever do is exploit and cheat and grief clans like [GoM]
<!--QuoteBegin--CHAMOIS+Sep 18 2003, 02:44 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CHAMOIS @ Sep 18 2003, 02:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> YEAH WHY DONT WE JUST HOST A SERVER FROM THE UNDERWATER UTOPIA OF ATLANTIS, WHY DIDNT I THINK OF THAT <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> That sounds an utterly brilliant idea and I'm glad you bought it up. I have this friend who owns a nuclear submarine that we can use to set up a server and everything. We can sell nuclear missles to 3rd world countries to help pay for it too.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Oh I know why because it would be hard to get someone down there to reboot it after your european cheats and hacks crash it because all you europeans ever do is exploit and cheat and grief clans like [GoM]<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Nonsense, it would be staffed by a fully qualified team every day, and we could go cruising on it too.
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Scrims don't count. They really don't. They are for experiementing.
Lets wait untill the first 2.x CAL season is over before we starting calling out which clan is best.
ah. Well that didn't take very long.
I really don't understand the whole clan-hopping phenomenum the US and parts of the EU scenes have going. FWD has been around since 1996, and few people ever really leave the clan, they just stop playing and continue to idle in the channel <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<span style='color:white'>No need to be snide.</span> sYn died because its a really old clan which started as a LAN team before half life even came out - however the original people at NJIT who made it disliked its current shape, or something like that, and made the two members who were pretty much leading quit. now i dont know if theyre going to continue, but without me and remics theyre hardly "BEST CLAN" material.
Because in my opinion it's a combination of those things that make the best clan. If a clan goes out and wins 60 matches does that make them better than a clan that brings 60 new players to the game (and helps guide them)?
I don't know...
However, my vote for best clan is [FFT]... based on the fact that they are largely involved in the community and are a good battle clan.
If you are unaware of what [FFT] has done for the community
They are several of the DJ's on NSRadio.... Including <The Show> Fridays at 9 EST (7PST)
They make many of the parodies you have heard including:
Million Res Nodes
Making my Decision
<Stuck in the middle with> Noobs
As well as original pieces:
Cleanse da Intruders...
They run a public server games4.jarhedz.com
They are new player friendly....
Plus they are in CAL, and UGL.. and can kick some ****..
So based on several factors, I vote [FFT]...
My 2 cents..
Z
This post has been edited by coil on Sep 18 2003, 10:13 AM
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I missed your original reply. Assuming it was something abusive i'll just comment that i didn't mean any offense. It was simply an observation that clans and players seem to be jumping around much more than i'm used to. Admittedly i don't know the history of sYn much further back than about 1.04.
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My opinion for best clan?? It depends if you are talking about just general game play? Strategy? Community involvement?
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That's a very diplomatic way of looking at it, but i think it's clear to everyone what was implied by the term 'best' :)
Right MonsE!?
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This could be the reason some teams lose, because they are trying the new strats on peeps they play. Think about it!
evil | Turtle -op-
66.28.81.31:27015
I actually, once and ONLY once, blown a match because I thought it was a scrim. We were playing HAM on eclipse, and we'd just lost the alien round. I came into the marine round just having got back from class, and I saw that they needed a player. I hopped in and we started. To make a long story short, I never finished the IP [ACCIDENTALLY] before running off to go back up the guys at station access who were getting hammered by skulks. I wouldn't have been that careless if I had known it was a match. Scrims are practice. If you screw up, well, it's a learning experience. You look at how you did, and if you lost, you change it.
[edit: and yes, there was HLTV for this match. Not sure who was in it, but I bet they had a nice good laugh at that one.]
-|TE|GoleX
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<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->That's a very diplomatic way of looking at it, but i think it's clear to everyone what was implied by the term 'best' <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I dunno about that... If it was so clear, I wouldn't have written my original post <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Because that was the first thing that popped into my head when I read the op..
Read my post again. I didn't call them cheater, I said I'd scrimmed them once, they destroyed us, and we had one member that said he was almost positive he saw a speedhack. What, you think people in leagues never cheat? No one's ever been suspended from CAL for hacking?
I repeat again: I said I was suspicious and I'd have to do a lot of first-person spectating to say for sure either way. Man, ugh. I know someone wouldn't be able to resist making a snide remark about that.
Zunni - yeah, I meant "best" in the sense that "they can beat everyone else in a match".
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->EDIT: And I think if ns is still played competitively in 2-3 years that even the highest level of play today will probably be considered laughable<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Probably, yeah. But that is 2-3 years from now, so.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Personally i don't consider .bm to be exceptional individually, they're certainly good players, but not to the 'omghax' standard. What they really have going for them though is very, very good organisation, and what appears to be an excellent comm.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That could be. During the scrim, no matter what we did, their entire team was always there and in the tactically better position. It was nuts. [GoM] isn't holy jesus amazing, but we're <i>competent</i>.
Frikk - yeah it's a stupid thread. But that doesn't mean it can't be entertaining. And yeah scrims are for practicing and screwing up, but you can still get a rough sense for how good a clan is.
Bunnyhopping is your friend
Bunnyhopping is your friend <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
It depends, if he was a marine it would be a speed hack since they took out bhopping for marines in game. If it was alien, he was most likely bhopping. Anyways, they don't cheat, I have seen them play, none of their players do amazing 180 turns to kill a skulk that was hiding or walking.
blessed are thou amongst woman?
Evil has developed <i>really</i> well in terms of where they started, so don't overlook them.
This could be the reason some teams lose, because they are trying the new strats on peeps they play. Think about it!
evil | Turtle -op-
66.28.81.31:27015 <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
We already know all the counters.
That's a basic requirement of being able to test NS.
Incidentally, that's a hint to PTs who need to brush up their playing skills too.
best clan at this point in time? lol evil lol
I dunno who the best clan would be, I haven't watched enough overseas clans to compare D:
Oh I know why because it would be hard to get someone down there to reboot it after your european cheats and hacks crash it because all you europeans ever do is exploit and cheat and grief clans like [GoM]
That sounds an utterly brilliant idea and I'm glad you bought it up. I have this friend who owns a nuclear submarine that we can use to set up a server and everything. We can sell nuclear missles to 3rd world countries to help pay for it too.
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Oh I know why because it would be hard to get someone down there to reboot it after your european cheats and hacks crash it because all you europeans ever do is exploit and cheat and grief clans like [GoM]<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Nonsense, it would be staffed by a fully qualified team every day, and we could go cruising on it too.
O_o