Been reading this thread quite closely but not been able to post since my 1 week ban is now well into its second month, any chance that could be sorted please?
Firstly, you really can't say whos the best clan since no-one has played eachother enough. If you were to base it on a few results, u could say bm > torment coz of uknsl win, ham+torment are equal, torment beat syn 4-0 so they are better, yet .BM drew 2-2 with syn so that screws everything up.
Forget it, once these top clans have played each other a few times, then make a decision, for atm there is NO clear winner.
Also one interesting thing, I see a lot of people are saying .BM are better tactically over torment, I have to disagree here, we've only ever lost 2 games, a 1.04 game to NR [r.i.p nr <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->] and a 2.0 to .BM And we don't win games without tactics... Every game we play has tactics behind it, you forget tactics are everything from what chamber you're building, where you put it all the way thru to attacking moves.
That UKNSL game we lost, if you watch that again you'll see that we lost through our own stupidity, if you want to judge a clan on one performance you are very naive.
Don't get me wrong though, .BM is an awesome clan, they've come from 1.04 and worked really hard to be one of the top clans across the world. Credit to them, because they have earnt it.
Looking forward to seeing, or even playing some of these matches to come.
Oh and V-MAN, interesting comment about comm and torment, do we mean the same comm who wouldnt play us because we kept beating them 4-0 ? thought so.
I'm not judging this on that uknsl game...just that each time i've seen .bm play, they play with such a fluid style with originality in the tactics whereas torment do nothing special at all.
I've seen bm play close to 10 times, and they do something different each time which makes their game fresh and unpredicatable. Saying taht you beat clans on the second day after 2.0 came out is worthless and pointless, looking at the positions now is a much better proposition.
And didnt torment play syn on a european server, but bm on an american one? Or am i totally wrong there..
<a href='http://www.nsbsclan.com' target='_blank'>www.nsbsclan.com</a> oh yea, watch your backs. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> oh.. so *that's* what BS stands for. I thot it stood for bull s h i t ^_^
I personally think many clans are overrated in every possible way. I'm guessing there are many clans who don't even sign up for leagues which are very good. I think it's pointless arguing about it and i also think whoever wins the league isn't neccesarily the best clan in europe or the usa ( depending on the league. )
For example :
Members might have other things to attend to ( have a life etc ) this will mean some other member will have to play who isn't as skilled as the previous.
Members might suffer from PC problems such as lag,choke, loss and general lag spikes.
Members might just have a bad day.
Members could be ill or not feeling the best.
Members could just play crap on some maps.
You get my drift, i think it's just pointless claiming any clan is the best, what if the clan u claim now is the best is beaten? You'll probably either call them cheaters, or make up an excuse why they lost.
Summary :
Can't assume a clan is the best just because they win a league, you don't know what occurances may occur on the day and hell you don't even know if they are cheating/exploiting/being lame with brightness or whatever.
Want a fun competition? Have a huge LAN it'll be more fun <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
I think it's pretty hard to decide what clan is best, I think you can only be accurate in judging the best 4 or 5 clans. Unless 1 clan dominates all the ladders and tourneys out there. But that's just my 2 eurocents <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
CplDavisI hunt the arctic SnonosJoin Date: 2003-01-09Member: 12097Members
<!--QuoteBegin--Zunni+Sep 18 2003, 10:15 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zunni @ Sep 18 2003, 10:15 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> My opinion for best clan?? It depends if you are talking about just general game play? Strategy? Community involvement?
Because in my opinion it's a combination of those things that make the best clan. If a clan goes out and wins 60 matches does that make them better than a clan that brings 60 new players to the game (and helps guide them)?
I don't know...
<!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Well in that case... <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> Go TSA <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
60 members and growing 14 nations represented from 4 Continents,so you get the best of both sides of the Atlantic, and Pacific if you count our Aussie players <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> Members include players from the following clans/server groups [TG] -Tactical Gamer [UAN] -}LK{- [CD] |IP| [OldF]* tB CL -}BKE{- (<==spelling??)
Many well known NS.org forum fans Member ages from all age groups including up to 40 and over. In the past we have run 3 new player info-training sessions, and we will help any new player during normal server play. We gain our respect through community friendship over frags.
The only thing we dont do is compete. So I guess we cant claim best clan in that area. But then again thats why we call ourselves an organization.
I would say, as im in FFT, that i believe that European clans are very highly skilled.. Its proven as Counter-Strike, Quake 3 ETC are mainly occupied with Europeans who win leagues for these games.. And NS is not different.
Clans like neXt, :-/ and Torment are very skilled and respected by the NS community.. Its all about respect
Of course, GO FFT <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--Corrado+Sep 18 2003, 07:34 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Corrado @ Sep 18 2003, 07:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Can we get some reasons why?
torment may have good individual skill, but all they do is rambo off..
Give some reasons behind your answers people. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> There is no such thing as ramboing in CWs...no such thing.
When it comes to top clans I cant say BM isnt cheating in matches, but they surely dont in public, even if they own mostly everything(damn lame fadehoarders <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->)
My vote goes to IDAC, since they just plain pwn <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> even if they arnt as good skillwise as maybe BM or torment, they still got it up there...
<!--QuoteBegin--evilTurtle+Sep 18 2003, 08:31 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (evilTurtle @ Sep 18 2003, 08:31 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I do think that the clan im in is overlooked severly. We have tied and beat many of the top clans (in scrims of course since cal just started for 2.0) out there. The Evil clan is one of the best clans out today imho. Just wanted to put my 2cents in and let Evil be known thx.
Bah! We get under rated too much as well, but we are new to the scene (in a sense compared to these other clans that have been around since Day 1.) I see a bright future for us as well, go OGL!
<!--QuoteBegin--BLUNTSWORTH+Sep 22 2003, 05:10 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BLUNTSWORTH @ Sep 22 2003, 05:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--evilTurtle+Sep 18 2003, 08:31 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (evilTurtle @ Sep 18 2003, 08:31 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I do think that the clan im in is overlooked severly. We have tied and beat many of the top clans (in scrims of course since cal just started for 2.0) out there. The Evil clan is one of the best clans out today imho. Just wanted to put my 2cents in and let Evil be known thx.
Well we can all summize that every clan member is going to tout their own clan as being the best, but I still have to give my kudos to [GoM]. Even if I lead this clan of my own.
1.Evil- is not getting enough love, they in my opinion are top 5 stuff.
2.dn' may be the best US clan, they are coming on strong
3.uhhh cri. why have they not been mentioned at all? they are a vet clan that still plays VERY well.
4.[FFT.eu] BEST european clan in NS period :-)
5.Ham may also be that theoretical best clan... and they are actually humble... that earns my respect.
6.[FFT] Is catching up to OSS in members we are coming up on 30 members... we need to scrim OSS to see who the best bloated clan in NS is <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Thats all my opinion I am willing to spill on you folks today.
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First, some caveats. If you're not in a clan, and you haven't scrimmed pretty extensively, please realize that you have very little to add. Second, there is of course no way for anyone to have scrimmed everyone ever. Third, [GoM] still hasn't scrimmed HAM, and so of course I have no direct basis for comparison. We <i>have</i> scrimmed sYn a few times, and sYn tied HAM, so for the purposes of this thread we'll assume they're relatively equivalent. Even if one's better, it's certainly not obvious.
This is idle speculation done to pass a little time, don't take it too seriously.
So, who's my vote? Well, it depends. The European clan, the bacon men, are in my experience far and away the most incredible clan I've yet seen. On the other hand, when we scrimmed them, I will say that we were all pretty close to convinced that they hack, with stuff that looked like wallhack and speedhack, not just aimbot (some of the top marines that're legit are still almost indistinguishable from a bot in their aim, you have to pick up other cues).
Am I saying they hack for certain? No, but I'm suspicious.
That said, would I put forth any other candidates? Nope. There's a very small top tier of 4-5 clans, not all of whom I've seen play each other and not all of whom I've played real extensively. I can't in good conscience distinguish between them and say one or the other is definitely better.
So, whee. Discuss, nublets. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Can't beat em, call em cheater. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> We beat them 2-0 the one time we scrimmed them...
actually i heard the oss is pretty dman good. <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo-->
But again everyone knows the <i>real</i> top clans <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Evil does need a lot more love.. shame I couldn't play more, sleep more, practice more
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->2.dn' may be the best US clan, they are coming on strong<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->dn` plays pandas today (Sunday 10/12) at 2:00pmPST in a UGL match. UGL-NS HLTV Proxy will be set up. More details are <a href='http://ugleague.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=62' target='_blank'>here.</a>
From every game you play you learn new things, So imho you can only determine who is better or as good one. Theres no "Best" out there, Theres always something better.
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Firstly, you really can't say whos the best clan since no-one has played eachother enough. If you were to base it on a few results, u could say bm > torment coz of uknsl win, ham+torment are equal, torment beat syn 4-0 so they are better, yet .BM drew 2-2 with syn so that screws everything up.
Forget it, once these top clans have played each other a few times, then make a decision, for atm there is NO clear winner.
Also one interesting thing, I see a lot of people are saying .BM are better tactically over torment, I have to disagree here, we've only ever lost 2 games, a 1.04 game to NR [r.i.p nr <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->] and a 2.0 to .BM And we don't win games without tactics... Every game we play has tactics behind it, you forget tactics are everything from what chamber you're building, where you put it all the way thru to attacking moves.
That UKNSL game we lost, if you watch that again you'll see that we lost through our own stupidity, if you want to judge a clan on one performance you are very naive.
Don't get me wrong though, .BM is an awesome clan, they've come from 1.04 and worked really hard to be one of the top clans across the world. Credit to them, because they have earnt it.
Looking forward to seeing, or even playing some of these matches to come.
Oh and V-MAN, interesting comment about comm and torment, do we mean the same comm who wouldnt play us because we kept beating them 4-0 ? thought so.
I've seen bm play close to 10 times, and they do something different each time which makes their game fresh and unpredicatable. Saying taht you beat clans on the second day after 2.0 came out is worthless and pointless, looking at the positions now is a much better proposition.
And didnt torment play syn on a european server, but bm on an american one? Or am i totally wrong there..
*passes out*
<a href='http://www.nsbsclan.com' target='_blank'>www.nsbsclan.com</a>
oh yea, watch your backs. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
oh.. so *that's* what BS stands for. I thot it stood for bull s h i t ^_^
Fallout pwnz.
For example :
Members might have other things to attend to ( have a life etc ) this will mean some other member will have to play who isn't as skilled as the previous.
Members might suffer from PC problems such as lag,choke, loss and general lag spikes.
Members might just have a bad day.
Members could be ill or not feeling the best.
Members could just play crap on some maps.
You get my drift, i think it's just pointless claiming any clan is the best, what if the clan u claim now is the best is beaten? You'll probably either call them cheaters, or make up an excuse why they lost.
Summary :
Can't assume a clan is the best just because they win a league, you don't know what occurances may occur on the day and hell you don't even know if they are cheating/exploiting/being lame with brightness or whatever.
Want a fun competition? Have a huge LAN it'll be more fun <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
But that's just my 2 eurocents <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
1. pandas
2. HAM
3. dn`
4. eR
5. 5 way tie
1. pandas
2. HAM
3. dn`
4. eR
5. 5 way tie <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
nono.
1. sYn
2. pandas/HAM
4. dn`/eR
6. 5 way tie
Because in my opinion it's a combination of those things that make the best clan. If a clan goes out and wins 60 matches does that make them better than a clan that brings 60 new players to the game (and helps guide them)?
I don't know...
<!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well in that case... <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Go TSA <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
60 members and growing
14 nations represented from 4 Continents,so you get the best of both sides of the Atlantic, and Pacific if you count our Aussie players <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
Members include players from the following clans/server groups
[TG] -Tactical Gamer
[UAN]
-}LK{-
[CD]
|IP|
[OldF]*
tB
CL
-}BKE{- (<==spelling??)
Many well known NS.org forum fans
Member ages from all age groups including up to 40 and over.
In the past we have run 3 new player info-training sessions, and we will help any new player during normal server play. We gain our respect through community friendship over frags.
The only thing we dont do is compete. So I guess we cant claim best clan in that area. But then again thats why we call ourselves an organization.
Clans like neXt, :-/ and Torment are very skilled and respected by the NS community.. Its all about respect
Of course, GO FFT <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
1. pandas
2. HAM
3. dn`
4. eR
5. 5 way tie <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
nono.
1. sYn
2. pandas/HAM
4. dn`/eR
6. 5 way tie <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
nonono
sYn is dead for starters
torment may have good individual skill, but all they do is rambo off..
Give some reasons behind your answers people. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
There is no such thing as ramboing in CWs...no such thing.
When it comes to top clans I cant say BM isnt cheating in matches, but they surely dont in public, even if they own mostly everything(damn lame fadehoarders <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->)
My vote goes to IDAC, since they just plain pwn <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> even if they arnt as good skillwise as maybe BM or torment, they still got it up there...
evil | Turtle -op- (server op)
66.28.81.31:27015 2.01 rc2 <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
HAHAHAHAHA, oh man, good one.
tough one.
If i was being true to me clan, i'd say best clan in the world = Tronic.
Not much else to say really is there? ^_^
evil | Turtle -op- (server op)
66.28.81.31:27015 2.01 rc2 <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
HAHAHAHAHA, oh man, good one.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
lollerbuckets!
1.Evil- is not getting enough love, they in my opinion are top 5 stuff.
2.dn' may be the best US clan, they are coming on strong
3.uhhh cri. why have they not been mentioned at all? they are a vet clan that still plays VERY well.
4.[FFT.eu] BEST european clan in NS period :-)
5.Ham may also be that theoretical best clan... and they are actually humble... that earns my respect.
6.[FFT] Is catching up to OSS in members we are coming up on 30 members... we need to scrim OSS to see who the best bloated clan in NS is <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Thats all my opinion I am willing to spill on you folks today.
PS listen to NSRadio for all your NS music needs #nsradio on gamesnet.net
First, some caveats. If you're not in a clan, and you haven't scrimmed pretty extensively, please realize that you have very little to add. Second, there is of course no way for anyone to have scrimmed everyone ever. Third, [GoM] still hasn't scrimmed HAM, and so of course I have no direct basis for comparison. We <i>have</i> scrimmed sYn a few times, and sYn tied HAM, so for the purposes of this thread we'll assume they're relatively equivalent. Even if one's better, it's certainly not obvious.
This is idle speculation done to pass a little time, don't take it too seriously.
So, who's my vote? Well, it depends. The European clan, the bacon men, are in my experience far and away the most incredible clan I've yet seen. On the other hand, when we scrimmed them, I will say that we were all pretty close to convinced that they hack, with stuff that looked like wallhack and speedhack, not just aimbot (some of the top marines that're legit are still almost indistinguishable from a bot in their aim, you have to pick up other cues).
Am I saying they hack for certain? No, but I'm suspicious.
That said, would I put forth any other candidates? Nope. There's a very small top tier of 4-5 clans, not all of whom I've seen play each other and not all of whom I've played real extensively. I can't in good conscience distinguish between them and say one or the other is definitely better.
So, whee. Discuss, nublets. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Can't beat em, call em cheater. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
We beat them 2-0 the one time we scrimmed them...
actually i heard the oss is pretty dman good. <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo-->
School pwns me for time, but it was fun while it lasted.
But again everyone knows the <i>real</i> top clans <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Evil does need a lot more love.. shame I couldn't play more, sleep more, practice more
PS. "we beat so and so in a scrim so we are better" SUYF retards. beat them in a match