I sorry to say you are all wrong. None of the clans you mention are really good, why do I say that? because I'm not in their clan.
Hehe.
Now down to earth, the best clan would be the clan you are in, whether they win or loose because they accepted you among them. The best can be beaten any time due to any number of factors, better play on the day, a clan/team has played/scrimmed more, you know the other sides tactics and counter them or you just play better than them on the day.
For me it really comes down to, are they having fun or are they so serious they have lost sight of the fun factor? A good side has fun doing either the winning or losing, they enjoy the game.
Answer this question. If a team/clan is so busy practising and winning games and don't have fun, yet your team/clan has given them a good run for their money and have had FUN, who is the better off, is your fun factor giving you an inner glow that is better than winning.
I was always taught that it isn't winning or losing but how you play the game.
<span style='color:yellow'>I personally would prefer to have fun.</span> <span style='color:red'>Winning is nice though.</span>
For me it really comes down to, are they having fun or are they so serious they have lost sight of the fun factor? A good side has fun doing either the winning or losing, they enjoy the game.
Answer this question. If a team/clan is so busy practising and winning games and don't have fun, yet your team/clan has given them a good run for their money and have had FUN, who is the better off, is your fun factor giving you an inner glow that is better than winning.
I was always taught that it isn't winning or losing but how you play the game.
<span style='color:yellow'>I personally would prefer to have fun.</span> <span style='color:red'>Winning is nice though.</span> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> That statement doesn't work. Unless their father is the coach and makes them play, I have yet to hear of anyone playing on a team that doesn't do it for fun.
If a team practices daily for an upcoming match, they are having fun because they enjoy the competition.
To quote Jeter, "Bottom line is, when you compete, you play to win."
Rennex I disagree it does work, I have seen and watched clans playing and it seems to me that the fun factor has been lost by some, the winning syndrome has became the master.
"My saddest moment has been to hear a clan say to a dedicated member, 'sorry you can't play this round we need to win', this member had been to every practice session held, knew all the tactics, and then they chose a member who had been a <u>name</u>, sadly the team lost, the included <u>name</u> player not knowing the new tactics let them down, the really sad part was when this excluded member became disillusioned and left, they demeaned her by calling her ....smacktard etc".
For some the fun has gone, it is all about winning. Practice every day doesn't always equate to fun, and yes most compete to win. There are some who compete to have fun and winning is the icing on the cake.
2 types of clans which both must have neutral respect:
1) the happy friendly clan which plays for fun.
2) the 'pr0' clan which plays to win.
if your in the 2nd type and your wanting to play for fun, then your in the wrong clan, if your told that u cant play because your clan needs to win, then you either accept it is for the good of your team, or u storm off. now, which type do u belong to ?
my suggestion is if your unhappy with your current clan look for a new one, ns aint gonna be around forever so make the most of the time you have enjoying it.
Sometimes in scrims I let the other clan kill me a lot ;O
Playing isnt fun when you lose. Winning is fun. A hard earned victory is fun. You cant deny it. That rush, that sudden adrenaline followed by a cool soothing feeling of calm marks it. You won, your adversary lost.
How can you say losing 0-2 every single scrim is fun? If you don't practice and scrim everyday your clan won't get better, and if you suck at something, it's simply not going to be fun. Period.
P.S. OSS isn't horrible, check their CAL stats (iono who they played tho). Big roster != Bad clan.
<!--QuoteBegin--Last.+Oct 13 2003, 02:10 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Last. @ Oct 13 2003, 02:10 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> P.S. OSS isn't horrible, check their CAL stats (iono who they played tho). Big roster != Bad clan. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> They'd get more respect if they actually scrimmed in #findnsscrim as would all clans, whether you've been around for awhile or just started and want to get some experience.
Well Rennex I must be in a small minority in that I like to play, if I win then it's great if the team I'm playing with loses I don't lose sleep over it. I know I played my best and that to me is more important than winning every game, which is nigh impossible playing on public servers. The best fun is the people I get to play with, they have so much variety that for me the games are always different.
Play to lose - no - but the always have to win side of it is not the motivation for me, I just want to play and enjoy myself, with the time I have. It's just a different way of looking at things, I know how short life is to go waste it always trying to win.
Mythr1l for me personally, I want to have fun, I was talking about my best mates daughter who got shafted by her clan for a former name in the clan scene who never turned up for practice etc and then got given a spot , it was poetic they lost, I suppose.
I personally have never been in a clan, and the way some clans are maybe I'm better off. I'm enjoying my playing. Now as you say some look to be winning and having fun, I'm happy for them and hope they continue to do so.
Soberana you have to fight to live before you will realise that statement can be seen to be shallow. After you have to fight to see the morning sunrise each day, a meagre win in a fantasy realm is just not the buzz we all grow up thinking is the be all end all to existence. It is enjoyable yes, but real life battles overcome are just so much more.
The sound of the world coming to life, the start of a day, the sight of different people doing the same or similar things but in slightly different ways, the birth of an infant, the colours of sunrise and sunset, a simple smile that transform a face, we have lost sight of these magnificent gifts we have been given, we tend to take the real too much for granted until it has almost been taken from us, this is why always winning at everything is not the same for some, but the struggle to win and doing your very best that is a major real thrill.
What a rant, but I post it to show a different slant on playing, there's play and then there is real play (surviving in life). Last. That's where we have been taught wrong imho, if people suck and keep trying they normally improve that to me is the real thrill, we have placed so much emphasis on always winning we have lost some capacity for enjoying the striving, and the getting better. Not everyone is the champion, but opinion denigrates those who do their best and don't win.
An e.g. the other night a winner said in an interview with a sneering voice I won he didn't, HE LOST, what? how is it that doing your best and doing better than ever before should be seen as the major disaster and a loss, I think the youngster should have been lauded for trying and doing so well.
<!--QuoteBegin--nooby+Oct 13 2003, 02:51 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (nooby @ Oct 13 2003, 02:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Well Rennex I must be in a small minority in that I like to play, if I win then it's great if the team I'm playing with loses I don't lose sleep over it blah blah <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I'll give you that, some people play to have fun. When I play handball, winning is always great but if I have a close game and end up losing by a point or two, its almost as good.
But Myth said it right, some people play to win. I play to win in NS. To each his own.
<!--QuoteBegin--Rennex+Oct 13 2003, 12:21 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Rennex @ Oct 13 2003, 12:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> They'd get more respect if they actually scrimmed in #findnsscrim as would all clans, whether you've been around for awhile or just started and want to get some experience. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Respect is overrated. Would you want to be respected by a community that thinks you are teh l4m0rz because your recruiting process isn't as selective? I doubt it. As for scrims -- yea, everyclan should do that.
<!--QuoteBegin--Last.+Oct 13 2003, 06:49 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Last. @ Oct 13 2003, 06:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Rennex+Oct 13 2003, 12:21 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Rennex @ Oct 13 2003, 12:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> They'd get more respect if they actually scrimmed in #findnsscrim as would all clans, whether you've been around for awhile or just started and want to get some experience. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Respect is overrated. Would you want to be respected by a community that thinks you are teh l4m0rz because your recruiting process isn't as selective? I doubt it. As for scrims -- yea, everyclan should do that. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> So if you're a kid that gets teased on all the time in your team/school/choir group, you'd say ' oh respect is overrated' ?
<!--QuoteBegin--.eLiMiNaToR.+Oct 13 2003, 04:57 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (.eLiMiNaToR. @ Oct 13 2003, 04:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> dn seemed to clense most of the there hackers so they arent as top notch now <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> could you kindly send me a list of these hackers that we cleansed? I'd like to know who we got rid of so I can take them off the roster. Thanks.
<!--QuoteBegin--bigvin+Sep 18 2003, 09:53 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (bigvin @ Sep 18 2003, 09:53 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Why has no one said pandas yet? I mean, I haven't really played much vs. a lot of clans, but I remember pandas being in the top rankings. Did they die or something?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Nope. Pandas are still around.
[----- Other Undefeated Teams (Joined season Late but promising) -----] xen BioG Bacon Men
Now, for my personal top 10 teams.
<b>1. HAM </b> We all know how good HAM is. They've got two points against them from two very solid teams (RIP sYn) and ir. <span style='color:red'><i>Oh yeah, and they have SHAMPOO and a great leader in HAMBONE</i></span>
<b>2. Pandas Brigade </b> The best team in CAL right now and an overall good team. They've got longetivity and they know how to work together.
<b>3. Bacon Men </b> Definetly the best European clan I've seen, and quite possibly the best clan in the world. They just need to show us a bit more of themselves. <i> They're also ranked 3 because I felt I had to include a non-US clan somewhere on the list <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo--> </i>
<b>4. Damage Networks </b> Hackers? I doubt. I've seen these guys romp on the enemy time and time again. I also know people who have LANNED with some of them and they were absolutely great on LAN as well. I think these guys are for real. They can romp on the lower clans... but I still question how they would do against the three above them.
<b>5. Exigent </b> They may be annoying children, but they can play the game well. Very top notch clan.
<b>6. cri </b> Undefeated in ALL-TIME CAL-ns play, these guys seem to really stand out in matches. The strength of schedule this year has been questioned, but we'll likely find out just how good they are when they face xen, this week. <span style='color:red'><i>They have this great player named cri.tical <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> </i></span>
<b>7. xen </b> This clan is relatively new and has an incredible roster. Their own stability is their greatest enemy; if they can get through the rest of this CAL season, look for them to jump ranks on the list.
<b>8. Evolution Revolution </b> This clan has quite possibly had the hardest CAL schedule of any team, and they've got the ****-whippings to show for it. They lost a set to dn, tied Exigent, and tied apex. I certainly hope they'll rise to the occasion and mount a second half comeback.
<b>9. infinite reverance </b> Another newly formed clan, many of these players were in the clan formerly known as apex. They jury is still out on this clan, but they are talking alot and have got a tie against HAM so far in CAL.
<b>10. Evil </b> Another clan that has gotten off to a good start on an easy schedule. They don't have the proven track record of other clans above them, but they certainly are looking good. They meet their first real opponent this week, the foreign Bacon Men.
Now, I'll predict how the top 10 will do this coming weekend: (top 10 teams in bold, <span style='color:red'>red</span> matches if 2 top teams are playing)
Comments
HAM
.BM
dn`
and the rest i'm not sure about.
Hehe.
Now down to earth, the best clan would be the clan you are in, whether they win or loose because they accepted you among them. The best can be beaten any time due to any number of factors, better play on the day, a clan/team has played/scrimmed more, you know the other sides tactics and counter them or you just play better than them on the day.
For me it really comes down to, are they having fun or are they so serious they have lost sight of the fun factor? A good side has fun doing either the winning or losing, they enjoy the game.
Answer this question. If a team/clan is so busy practising and winning games and don't have fun, yet your team/clan has given them a good run for their money and have had FUN, who is the better off, is your fun factor giving you an inner glow that is better than winning.
I was always taught that it isn't winning or losing but how you play the game.
<span style='color:yellow'>I personally would prefer to have fun.</span> <span style='color:red'>Winning is nice though.</span>
For me it really comes down to, are they having fun or are they so serious they have lost sight of the fun factor? A good side has fun doing either the winning or losing, they enjoy the game.
Answer this question. If a team/clan is so busy practising and winning games and don't have fun, yet your team/clan has given them a good run for their money and have had FUN, who is the better off, is your fun factor giving you an inner glow that is better than winning.
I was always taught that it isn't winning or losing but how you play the game.
<span style='color:yellow'>I personally would prefer to have fun.</span> <span style='color:red'>Winning is nice though.</span> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
That statement doesn't work. Unless their father is the coach and makes them play, I have yet to hear of anyone playing on a team that doesn't do it for fun.
If a team practices daily for an upcoming match, they are having fun because they enjoy the competition.
To quote Jeter, "Bottom line is, when you compete, you play to win."
"My saddest moment has been to hear a clan say to a dedicated member, 'sorry you can't play this round we need to win', this member had been to every practice session held, knew all the tactics, and then they chose a member who had been a <u>name</u>, sadly the team lost, the included <u>name</u> player not knowing the new tactics let them down, the really sad part was when this excluded member became disillusioned and left, they demeaned her by calling her ....smacktard etc".
For some the fun has gone, it is all about winning. Practice every day doesn't always equate to fun, and yes most compete to win. There are some who compete to have fun and winning is the icing on the cake.
Winning is fun. Period. Who plays to lose?
1) the happy friendly clan which plays for fun.
2) the 'pr0' clan which plays to win.
if your in the 2nd type and your wanting to play for fun, then your in the wrong clan, if your told that u cant play because your clan needs to win, then you either accept it is for the good of your team, or u storm off. now, which type do u belong to ?
my suggestion is if your unhappy with your current clan look for a new one, ns aint gonna be around forever so make the most of the time you have enjoying it.
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Playing isnt fun when you lose. Winning is fun. A hard earned victory is fun. You cant deny it. That rush, that sudden adrenaline followed by a cool soothing feeling of calm marks it. You won, your adversary lost.
How can you say losing 0-2 every single scrim is fun? If you don't practice and scrim everyday your clan won't get better, and if you suck at something, it's simply not going to be fun. Period.
P.S. OSS isn't horrible, check their CAL stats (iono who they played tho). Big roster != Bad clan.
P.S. OSS isn't horrible, check their CAL stats (iono who they played tho). Big roster != Bad clan. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
They'd get more respect if they actually scrimmed in #findnsscrim as would all clans, whether you've been around for awhile or just started and want to get some experience.
Play to lose - no - but the always have to win side of it is not the motivation for me, I just want to play and enjoy myself, with the time I have. It's just a different way of looking at things, I know how short life is to go waste it always trying to win.
Mythr1l for me personally, I want to have fun, I was talking about my best mates daughter who got shafted by her clan for a former name in the clan scene who never turned up for practice etc and then got given a spot , it was poetic they lost, I suppose.
I personally have never been in a clan, and the way some clans are maybe I'm better off. I'm enjoying my playing. Now as you say some look to be winning and having fun, I'm happy for them and hope they continue to do so.
Soberana you have to fight to live before you will realise that statement can be seen to be shallow. After you have to fight to see the morning sunrise each day, a meagre win in a fantasy realm is just not the buzz we all grow up thinking is the be all end all to existence. It is enjoyable yes, but real life battles overcome are just so much more.
The sound of the world coming to life, the start of a day, the sight of different people doing the same or similar things but in slightly different ways, the birth of an infant, the colours of sunrise and sunset, a simple smile that transform a face, we have lost sight of these magnificent gifts we have been given, we tend to take the real too much for granted until it has almost been taken from us, this is why always winning at everything is not the same for some, but the struggle to win and doing your very best that is a major real thrill.
What a rant, but I post it to show a different slant on playing, there's play and then there is real play (surviving in life).
Last. That's where we have been taught wrong imho, if people suck and keep trying they normally improve that to me is the real thrill, we have placed so much emphasis on always winning we have lost some capacity for enjoying the striving, and the getting better. Not everyone is the champion, but opinion denigrates those who do their best and don't win.
An e.g. the other night a winner said in an interview with a sneering voice I won he didn't, HE LOST, what? how is it that doing your best and doing better than ever before should be seen as the major disaster and a loss, I think the youngster should have been lauded for trying and doing so well.
I'll give you that, some people play to have fun. When I play handball, winning is always great but if I have a close game and end up losing by a point or two, its almost as good.
But Myth said it right, some people play to win. I play to win in NS. To each his own.
Respect is overrated. Would you want to be respected by a community that thinks you are teh l4m0rz because your recruiting process isn't as selective? I doubt it. As for scrims -- yea, everyclan should do that.
Respect is overrated. Would you want to be respected by a community that thinks you are teh l4m0rz because your recruiting process isn't as selective? I doubt it. As for scrims -- yea, everyclan should do that. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
So if you're a kid that gets teased on all the time in your team/school/choir group, you'd say ' oh respect is overrated' ?
could you kindly send me a list of these hackers that we cleansed? I'd like to know who we got rid of so I can take them off the roster. Thanks.
As for playing to just "have fun" i was taught that its just an excuse that losers use. Oh well...
Nope. Pandas are still around.
CAL Overall Standings:
Clan Points for - points against
Pandas 8-0
cri 7-0
Evil 7-1
Exigent 6-1
Damage Networks (dn) 6-1
OSS 6-1
HAM 6-2
GoM 6-2
TMM 5-3
C*B 4-3
[----- Other Undefeated Teams (Joined season Late but promising) -----]
xen
BioG
Bacon Men
Now, for my personal top 10 teams.
<b>1. HAM </b>
We all know how good HAM is.
They've got two points against them from two very solid teams (RIP sYn) and ir.
<span style='color:red'><i>Oh yeah, and they have SHAMPOO and a great leader in HAMBONE</i></span>
<b>2. Pandas Brigade </b>
The best team in CAL right now and an overall good team. They've got longetivity and they know how to work together.
<b>3. Bacon Men </b>
Definetly the best European clan I've seen, and quite possibly the best clan in the world. They just need to show us a bit more of themselves.
<i> They're also ranked 3 because I felt I had to include a non-US clan somewhere on the list <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo--> </i>
<b>4. Damage Networks </b>
Hackers? I doubt. I've seen these guys romp on the enemy time and time again. I also know people who have LANNED with some of them and they were absolutely great on LAN as well. I think these guys are for real. They can romp on the lower clans... but I still question how they would do against the three above them.
<b>5. Exigent </b>
They may be annoying children, but they can play the game well. Very top notch clan.
<b>6. cri </b>
Undefeated in ALL-TIME CAL-ns play, these guys seem to really stand out in matches. The strength of schedule this year has been questioned, but we'll likely find out just how good they are when they face xen, this week.
<span style='color:red'><i>They have this great player named cri.tical <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> </i></span>
<b>7. xen </b>
This clan is relatively new and has an incredible roster. Their own stability is their greatest enemy; if they can get through the rest of this CAL season, look for them to jump ranks on the list.
<b>8. Evolution Revolution </b>
This clan has quite possibly had the hardest CAL schedule of any team, and they've got the ****-whippings to show for it. They lost a set to dn, tied Exigent, and tied apex. I certainly hope they'll rise to the occasion and mount a second half comeback.
<b>9. infinite reverance </b>
Another newly formed clan, many of these players were in the clan formerly known as apex. They jury is still out on this clan, but they are talking alot and have got a tie against HAM so far in CAL.
<b>10. Evil </b>
Another clan that has gotten off to a good start on an easy schedule. They don't have the proven track record of other clans above them, but they certainly are looking good. They meet their first real opponent this week, the foreign Bacon Men.
Now, I'll predict how the top 10 will do this coming weekend: (top 10 teams in bold, <span style='color:red'>red</span> matches if 2 top teams are playing)
<b> HAM </b>2 - Natural Domination 0
<span style='color:red'><b> Pandas </b>1 - <b>Exigent </b>1</span>
<span style='color:red'><b> Bacon Men</b> 2 - <b>Evil </b>0</span>
<b> Damage Networks </b>2 - Team EG 0
<span style='color:red'><b> cri</b> 1 - <b>xen</b> 1</span>
<b> eR</b> 2 - Zero Tolerance 0
<b> ir</b> 2 - The Obsidian Order 0
We have 3 matchups in the top 10, so this if by far the most important week of the season yet.
Comments, Questions?
Lies. <3 <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> someone's gotta defend us..
and that is all the needs to be said