True, but they can do minor things, like fixing borked lights, or like was already mentioned, fiing those ladders in MS. Simple stuff like that shouldn't be a problem, I think.
<!--QuoteBegin-LagDemon+Jan 23 2004, 04:16 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (LagDemon @ Jan 23 2004, 04:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> True, but they can do minor things, like fixing borked lights, or like was already mentioned, fiing those ladders in MS. Simple stuff like that shouldn't be a problem, I think. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Sure they are simple, but there are a hundred "simple" things to fix, so it adds quite a bit of work on. It's best to do one part at a time (build, then fix).
<!--QuoteBegin--Tequila+Jan 23 2004, 04:51 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Tequila @ Jan 23 2004, 04:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--quazilin+Jan 23 2004, 05:46 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (quazilin @ Jan 23 2004, 05:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Furnace area near feedwater hive... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Awesome stuff, but keep it in mind to make those pipes less obstructive later <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I think there is nothing wrong with that as it is. It'll just become "another hallway" if you move them things around. Part of the atmosphere of the map. IMO anyway.
Bast is my all-time favorite map, it captures all the sci-fi aspects from movies like "aliens" in a flawless way. Seeing it coming back makes me damn happy, thanks a lot guys, a lot of players will enjoy your hard work.
keep up the excellent speed !
pd: remove all the unnecessary ladders and replace them with ramps, onos have a very hard time at it. and in the refinery hive, the pipes obstruct the way, forcing onos to duck if they want to pass.
ooo soo sexy paperclip...er mendasp <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> keep it up, i wanna go bhop as alien around ref again <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Nice work on the area outside feedwater. Keep it going <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
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Whooo <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo--> the nice and warm feeling I get by that ligthing of the furnace near feed water... Keep it up and lets hope bast shall return (with a lighting facelift it seems... <-- dont reply if your going to flame pls, since its still work in progress and my advice is keep it as it is, /me likes)
Well the forums have been down for quite a while which has slowed down our pace abit along with other factors. Anyway whilst the forums were down we did get one piece of very, very good news. I popped an email off to relic25 to ask for his permission, an email i never expected a reply to. We all know that he pretty much just disapeered and no one had been able to contact him.
Well turns out they're using the wrong email address. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> I happened to have the right one, which i got it from his nightwatch forums profile if your interested, anyway. He replied (yey_ and we have his full support on the ns_bast remake and he said we'd done a fantastic job so far and kudos for stepping up to the task.
I did ask him if he'd make a comeback to NS and get actively involved with the bast remake however he declined, he currently has other prioteries (his young son for one) so he cannot dedicate any time to NS though he available to us for advise and to answer our questions.
Also incase you were wondering he told me he didn't leave because of what veterans had said about NS bast. and i quote:
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Just to put any rumors to rest (and you can quote me on this if needed), I didn't 'leave' the NS community over any personal misgivings or anything like that.? It was simply a matter of me having x amount of time and too many other priorities.? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well anyway, hope we'll hve no screenies soon, yey for relic living and yey for the forums being back up.
Thats great news MrBen. Especially nice to see you have his full support on this. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Loosing bast ain't a big loss... it's crap for marines anyway imho.
But if you'd take out the turning door thingy outside the base and replaced the elevator with something better to give easier/faster outside access to the marines.. yeah.
a bit offtopic but, WHY the hell do you people speel it loose/loosing, where the hell did that originate from, it has to be the most annoying misspelling EVER (not directed to anyone in particular, only reason i posted it here is because ive already seen it 4 times today on these forums in 20 minutes)
on-topic: good wrk so far, and its nice to see that relic is giving his full support
<!--QuoteBegin-raz0r+Jan 30 2004, 06:18 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (raz0r @ Jan 30 2004, 06:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> a bit offtopic but, WHY the hell do you people speel it loose/loosing, where the hell did that originate from, it has to be the most annoying misspelling EVER (not directed to anyone in particular, only reason i posted it here is because ive already seen it 4 times today on these forums in 20 minutes)
on-topic: good wrk so far, and its nice to see that relic is giving his full support <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Well you don't seem to be a spelling king either..
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<!--QuoteBegin-raz0r+Jan 30 2004, 06:18 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (raz0r @ Jan 30 2004, 06:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> a bit offtopic but, WHY the hell do you people speel it loose/loosing, where the hell did that originate from, it has to be the most annoying misspelling EVER (not directed to anyone in particular, only reason i posted it here is because ive already seen it 4 times today on these forums in 20 minutes)
on-topic: good wrk so far, and its nice to see that relic is giving his full support <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> It probably originated from "loose" and why is it the most annoying spelling eroor ever?
<!--QuoteBegin-Epidemic+Jan 31 2004, 10:47 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Epidemic @ Jan 31 2004, 10:47 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-raz0r+Jan 30 2004, 06:18 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (raz0r @ Jan 30 2004, 06:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> a bit offtopic but, WHY the hell do you people speel it loose/loosing, where the hell did that originate from, it has to be the most annoying misspelling EVER (not directed to anyone in particular, only reason i posted it here is because ive already seen it 4 times today on these forums in 20 minutes)
on-topic: good wrk so far, and its nice to see that relic is giving his full support <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> It probably originated from "loose" and why is it the most annoying spelling eroor ever? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> its so annoying because EVERYONE seems to do it, and for some reason, it pisses me off, i just cant understand how people can think its spelt that way most spelling errors i can stand, typos too, but i just dont get this particular one. /end rant
InsaneAnomalyJoin Date: 2002-05-13Member: 605Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, NS2 Developer, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, NS2 Map Tester, Subnautica Developer, Pistachionauts, Future Perfect Developer
<!--QuoteBegin-BlackPanther+Jan 30 2004, 05:55 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BlackPanther @ Jan 30 2004, 05:55 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Loosing bast ain't a big loss... it's crap for marines anyway imho. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Why do you think we decided to do this, if we weren't going to fix balance issues?
lol! My god, that is SO weird! I was just looking at the Alien Vs Predator teaser trailer and it says, "Whoever Wins... We Lose," and then I thought about how I ALWAYS mispell lose as loose, and then I just came here, and everyone's having a rant about it!
I always do it because that's almost the way it's pronounced, loo - se. I am trying to overcome this problem <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Tequila+Jan 23 2004, 11:51 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Tequila @ Jan 23 2004, 11:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Awesome stuff, but keep it in mind to make those pipes less obstructive later <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I don't think you should change that, it's these kind of obstacles that make the map both realistic and more interesting to play.
I think a lot of people are forgetting (about changes to the maps) that this is not a replica of Bast. Nearly every NS map changes between major revisions; look at all the huge changes that was made to maps (like hera) between major revisions.
This is an update of bast from 1.x -> 3.x, it's going to need/have some major changes. I for one support this. This isn't bast 1.0, it's bast 2.0 <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Lighting changes, all for them, so long as I can still see. Lighting changes really can change the mood of a map, which is what a major revision of the map is meant to do.
how come the game looks better in screen shots than the game? was i suppost to delete the ns.wad and rename the ns2.wad to ns.wad? b/c the maps look beautiful in these screen shots...but look like old ns when i play...
<!--QuoteBegin-Restrik+Jan 31 2004, 06:33 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Restrik @ Jan 31 2004, 06:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> how come the game looks better in screen shots than the game? was i suppost to delete the ns.wad and rename the ns2.wad to ns.wad? b/c the maps look beautiful in these screen shots...but look like old ns when i play... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Are you using opengl as your graphics Renderer?
Kouji_SanSr. Hινε UÏкεεÏεг - EUPT DeputyThe NetherlandsJoin Date: 2003-05-13Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
edited January 2004
<!--QuoteBegin-Restrik+Feb 1 2004, 12:33 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Restrik @ Feb 1 2004, 12:33 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> how come the game looks better in screen shots than the game? was i suppost to delete the ns.wad and rename the ns2.wad to ns.wad? b/c the maps look beautiful in these screen shots...but look like old ns when i play... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Mayb your not running NS in 32bit mode that could also lower the ingame quality
Just add -32bpp to hl.exe:
hl.exe -console -game ns -32bpp
[edit] Almost forgot man!!!
Medasp that looks nice I can almost eat it <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo--><span style='color:gray'> *now wheres my fork*</span> [/edit]
[edit 2] Hmm just remembered that steam changes something in the hl dir so the hl.exe is gone and you have to start ns in a weird way <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo--> ... ah well I think you can add -32bpp to the commandline there. At least I hope so. [/edit]
First off, kudos for Mendasp and co. for remaking my all-time favorite NS map...
I now have a suggestion which is unlikely to be received with much enthusiasm (which I can kind of understand), but here goes:
How about ... expanding the map after you have remade the old one to perfection? For example, what lies behind the doors in that short corridor (N-corridor?). You could decide for yourself by adding a new area or two. Perhaps expand the tram tunnel beyond the point where it is normally blocked, or open the sealed airlock so it goes somewhere?
Obviously doing something like this runs the risk of breaking the gameplay of the map, so I would suggest that any kind of expanded version be released as a separate map, ns_bastXL or whatever. This would be more of a special edition, rather than an intended replacement for ns_bast. Since you are remaking this cool map, opportunities such as this should not be ignored.
Expanding the map to accomdate 3.0s gameplay and changes may well happen, who knows. If we don't have to then we won't. But i think it's pretty safe to say some changes in terms of layout and architectal stuff will happen after we finish remaking it. What though is still in discussion.
in atmospheric processing, there's a vent that leads to N-Corridor (it's above the dark, curved trench). Can you change that vent opening so that one can run straight into it as a skulk? It acts much like one of the old Nancy's vents bceause of a sort of lip on the bottom.
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Sure they are simple, but there are a hundred "simple" things to fix, so it adds quite a bit of work on. It's best to do one part at a time (build, then fix).
Awesome stuff, but keep it in mind to make those pipes less obstructive later <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think there is nothing wrong with that as it is. It'll just become "another hallway" if you move them things around. Part of the atmosphere of the map. IMO anyway.
Seeing it coming back makes me damn happy, thanks a lot guys, a lot of players will enjoy your hard work.
keep up the excellent speed !
pd: remove all the unnecessary ladders and replace them with ramps, onos have a very hard time at it.
and in the refinery hive, the pipes obstruct the way, forcing onos to duck if they want to pass.
Well turns out they're using the wrong email address. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> I happened to have the right one, which i got it from his nightwatch forums profile if your interested, anyway. He replied (yey_ and we have his full support on the ns_bast remake and he said we'd done a fantastic job so far and kudos for stepping up to the task.
I did ask him if he'd make a comeback to NS and get actively involved with the bast remake however he declined, he currently has other prioteries (his young son for one) so he cannot dedicate any time to NS though he available to us for advise and to answer our questions.
Also incase you were wondering he told me he didn't leave because of what veterans had said about NS bast. and i quote:
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Just to put any rumors to rest (and you can quote me on this if needed), I didn't 'leave' the NS community over any personal misgivings or anything like that.? It was simply a matter of me having x amount of time and too many other priorities.? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well anyway, hope we'll hve no screenies soon, yey for relic living and yey for the forums being back up.
But if you'd take out the turning door thingy outside the base and replaced the elevator with something better to give easier/faster outside access to the marines.. yeah.
(not directed to anyone in particular, only reason i posted it here is because ive already seen it 4 times today on these forums in 20 minutes)
on-topic:
good wrk so far, and its nice to see that relic is giving his full support
(not directed to anyone in particular, only reason i posted it here is because ive already seen it 4 times today on these forums in 20 minutes)
on-topic:
good wrk so far, and its nice to see that relic is giving his full support <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well you don't seem to be a spelling king either..
(not directed to anyone in particular, only reason i posted it here is because ive already seen it 4 times today on these forums in 20 minutes)
on-topic:
good wrk so far, and its nice to see that relic is giving his full support <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
It probably originated from "loose" and why is it the most annoying spelling eroor ever?
(not directed to anyone in particular, only reason i posted it here is because ive already seen it 4 times today on these forums in 20 minutes)
on-topic:
good wrk so far, and its nice to see that relic is giving his full support <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It probably originated from "loose" and why is it the most annoying spelling eroor ever? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
its so annoying because EVERYONE seems to do it, and for some reason, it pisses me off, i just cant understand how people can think its spelt that way
most spelling errors i can stand, typos too, but i just dont get this particular one.
/end rant
Why do you think we decided to do this, if we weren't going to fix balance issues?
I always do it because that's almost the way it's pronounced, loo - se. I am trying to overcome this problem <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I don't think you should change that, it's these kind of obstacles that make the map both realistic and more interesting to play.
This is an update of bast from 1.x -> 3.x, it's going to need/have some major changes. I for one support this. This isn't bast 1.0, it's bast 2.0 <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Lighting changes, all for them, so long as I can still see. Lighting changes really can change the mood of a map, which is what a major revision of the map is meant to do.
I had some time this morning, so I started doing the last part of my section... I was amazed because I finished it pretty fast...
Two pics:
<img src='http://www.pericenrash.com/mendasp/mapas/bast_remake/ns_bast7.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
<img src='http://www.pericenrash.com/mendasp/mapas/bast_remake/ns_bast8.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
Are you using opengl as your graphics Renderer?
Mayb your not running NS in 32bit mode that could also lower the ingame quality
Just add -32bpp to hl.exe:
hl.exe -console -game ns -32bpp
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Almost forgot man!!!
Medasp that looks nice I can almost eat it <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo--><span style='color:gray'> *now wheres my fork*</span>
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[edit 2]
Hmm just remembered that steam changes something in the hl dir so the hl.exe is gone and you have to start ns in a weird way <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo--> ... ah well I think you can add -32bpp to the commandline there. At least I hope so.
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I now have a suggestion which is unlikely to be received with much enthusiasm (which I can kind of understand), but here goes:
How about ... expanding the map after you have remade the old one to perfection?
For example, what lies behind the doors in that short corridor (N-corridor?). You could decide for yourself by adding a new area or two. Perhaps expand the tram tunnel beyond the point where it is normally blocked, or open the sealed airlock so it goes somewhere?
Obviously doing something like this runs the risk of breaking the gameplay of the map, so I would suggest that any kind of expanded version be released as a separate map, ns_bastXL or whatever. This would be more of a special edition, rather than an intended replacement for ns_bast. Since you are remaking this cool map, opportunities such as this should not be ignored.
in atmospheric processing, there's a vent that leads to N-Corridor (it's above the dark, curved trench). Can you change that vent opening so that one can run straight into it as a skulk? It acts much like one of the old Nancy's vents bceause of a sort of lip on the bottom.