Tragedy

ShzarShzar Join Date: 2003-09-21 Member: 21098Members, Constellation
<div class="IPBDescription">I'm saddened</div> Some of you may be familiar with the name Michal Buonauro. He was a writer for several items, including the webcomic <a href='http://www.wrenchfarm.com' target='_blank'>Wrench Farm</a>. I was shocked to learn that he took his own life last Friday. If you are familiar with his works, please take a moment to grieve.

Apparently, Brian Clevinger from <a href='http://www.nuklearpower.com' target='_blank'>8-bit Theatre</a> is thinking about getting Buonauro's fictional work <a href='http://www.unknownhero.com/' target='_blank'>Marvelous Bob</a> published, and I'm sure Jeff Lofvers, co-writer of Wrench Farm, would agree this as being a proper way to remember Buonauro. If it is within anybody's power to give aid in this undertaking, please do so!
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  • TequilaTequila Join Date: 2003-08-13 Member: 19660Members
    edited June 2004
    Seemed like he had everything to live for, any idea what drove him over the edge?

    Just read his blog. "coulda. woulda. shoulda.", what depressing last words <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • LikuLiku I, am the Somberlain. Join Date: 2003-01-10 Member: 12128Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Tequila+Jun 1 2004, 07:02 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Tequila @ Jun 1 2004, 07:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Seemed like he had everything to live for, any idea what drove him over the edge?

    Just read his blog. "coulda. woulda. shoulda.", what depressing last words <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I hear that... <a href='http://www.livejournal.com/users/mbuonauro/' target='_blank'>http://www.livejournal.com/users/mbuonauro/</a>

    Don't know why he did it.
  • panda_de_malheureuxpanda_de_malheureux Join Date: 2003-12-26 Member: 24775Members
    edited June 2004
    im no detective but

    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->megan broke up with me.

    that is all.

    the end.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    edit: it turns out he wouldn't have killed himself over her, because:

    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->People sometimes have things they would die for. Those people are stupid.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    also i do agree, this is very sad, about as sad as this one disabled person my mum knows that pays $17 for the bus, works all day and gets $20.
  • EpidemicEpidemic Dark Force Gorge Join Date: 2003-06-29 Member: 17781Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-version91x+Jun 2 2004, 06:39 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (version91x @ Jun 2 2004, 06:39 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> im no detective but

    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->megan broke up with me.

    that is all.

    the end.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    edit: it turns out he wouldn't have killed himself over her, because:

    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->People sometimes have things they would die for. Those people are stupid.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    also i do agree, this is very sad, about as sad as this one disabled person my mum knows that pays $17 for the bus, works all day and gets $20. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I think he said it in spite <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • SkulkBaitSkulkBait Join Date: 2003-02-11 Member: 13423Members
    edited June 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-Liku+Jun 1 2004, 11:46 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Liku @ Jun 1 2004, 11:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Tequila+Jun 1 2004, 07:02 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Tequila @ Jun 1 2004, 07:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Seemed like he had everything to live for, any idea what drove him over the edge?

    Just read his blog. "coulda. woulda. shoulda.", what depressing last words <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I hear that... <a href='http://www.livejournal.com/users/mbuonauro/' target='_blank'>http://www.livejournal.com/users/mbuonauro/</a>

    Don't know why he did it. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Thanks for the link, it gives good insight into his character. He seemed to me to be disillusioned with life, a feeling I know all too well. Still, its an aufull waste of talent, but IMO it was his decision and his right; not that anyone will be conforted by that. Does anyone know how he chose to end his life? I've always had a morbid curiosity about such things...


    ...Also, aparently, I am Grammar God.
  • CForresterCForrester P0rk(h0p Join Date: 2002-10-05 Member: 1439Members, Constellation
    Hmm, if you notice... The post right after the post about his breakup started with:
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->"coulda, woulda, shoulda"<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    What could be considered his "suicide note", in a sense, was:
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->coulda. woulda. shoulda.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->


    Also, not to seem insensitive or anything, but I wonder if he waited until 5:52 AM to kill himself. The minute he was born on that exact day.
  • raz0rraz0r Join Date: 2003-07-24 Member: 18395Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-version91x+Jun 2 2004, 06:39 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (version91x @ Jun 2 2004, 06:39 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> im no detective but

    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->megan broke up with me.

    that is all.

    the end.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    edit: it turns out he wouldn't have killed himself over her, because:

    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->People sometimes have things they would die for. Those people are stupid.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    also i do agree, this is very sad, about as sad as this one disabled person my mum knows that pays $17 for the bus, works all day and gets $20. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    only 20$ a day.
    ouch, thats harsh, doesn't she get government benefits and stuff?

    My grandma's blind, but she's retired, so it's kind of different
    (it does look a bit funny when she walks into walls, but it's also quite sad)
  • Mr_JeburtOMr_JeburtO Join Date: 2003-08-29 Member: 20340Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->when i was 12 years old i made a time capsule and i wrote myself a letter. the capsule was to be opened in 12 years.

    so, last year, i opened it up and read the letter. i really let 12 year old me down. of all the dreams he had, i hadn't done any of them.

    but i don't have dreams anymore. i only have nightmares.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    ouch.

    although ive never heared of this guy before i feel sorryfor his family, and for him
  • BlackPlagueBlackPlague Join Date: 2004-02-02 Member: 25990Banned
    You could really make a song out of those posts! wow... i can feel his pain.... i mean SERIOUSLY feel his pain... wow god have mercy on his soul, rest in peace friend!
  • pardzhpardzh Join Date: 2002-10-25 Member: 1601Members
    God damn, I never can understand when people do this.

    I guess I'm an exception to the rule, or terminally happy or something, but I just can't "get" it when people feel depressed. When my girlfriend tells me about her having a **** day over the phone, I try to make her feel better, but I never really get it. Stuff just bounces off me I guess.

    What a damn shame, seriously. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • kuperayekuperaye Join Date: 2003-03-14 Member: 14519Members, Constellation
    edited June 2004
    all i can say is weak


    i mean come on bare through the toughness of life seriously commiting suicide is the lowest possible thing one can do to themself. I have literally no respect for a person if they commit suicide. That is what life is if it gets to hard try a better route not friggen stick a gun in your mouth.




    Survival of the fittest anyone???



    edit: yea i feel sorry for his family and all but not for him his respectometer = 0
  • LikuLiku I, am the Somberlain. Join Date: 2003-01-10 Member: 12128Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-CForrester+Jun 2 2004, 01:26 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CForrester @ Jun 2 2004, 01:26 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Also, not to seem insensitive or anything, but I wonder if he waited until 5:52 AM to kill himself. The minute he was born on that exact day. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Now that's deep.
  • ShzarShzar Join Date: 2003-09-21 Member: 21098Members, Constellation
    Kuperaye, keep that out of here. This is a thread for those to express their sadness at a lost talent, whatever may be the cause. Besides, you obviously do not understand just what clinical depression means, so I would thank you for assuming you don't know the whole story. Nobody here does - but as far as I could tell from Michael's journal entries, he was in need of treatment.
  • TequilaTequila Join Date: 2003-08-13 Member: 19660Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-kuperaye+Jun 2 2004, 09:31 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (kuperaye @ Jun 2 2004, 09:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> all i can say is weak


    i mean come on bare through the toughness of life seriously commiting suicide is the lowest possible thing one can do to themself. I have literally no respect for a person if they commit suicide. That is what life is if it gets to hard try a better route not friggen stick a gun in your mouth.




    Survival of the fittest anyone???



    edit: yea i feel sorry for his family and all but not for him his respectometer = 0 <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Great arguement you have there.

    Your "respect-o-meter" also equals 0.
  • AlignAlign Remain Calm Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 5216Forum Moderators, Constellation
    There are a LOT of people who regard suicidal people as idiots who have weak will.
  • Seph_KimaraSeph_Kimara Join Date: 2003-08-10 Member: 19359Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Align+Jun 2 2004, 08:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Align @ Jun 2 2004, 08:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> There are a LOT of people who regard suicidal people as idiots who have weak will. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Then they themselves are idiots. Clinical depression is nothing to be scoffed at.
  • AlignAlign Remain Calm Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 5216Forum Moderators, Constellation
    I didn't know being clinically depressed(this being the sickness that you are born with, right?) makes you suicidal.
  • Seph_KimaraSeph_Kimara Join Date: 2003-08-10 Member: 19359Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Align+Jun 2 2004, 08:59 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Align @ Jun 2 2004, 08:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I didn't know being clinically depressed(this being the sickness that you are born with, right?) makes you suicidal. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    <a href='http://www.nmha.org/ccd/index.cfm' target='_blank'>Clinical Depression</a>
  • AlignAlign Remain Calm Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 5216Forum Moderators, Constellation
    edited June 2004
    Thank you.
    EDIT: Although I wasn't including clinically depressed into my definition of suicidal people. Mostly I look down on people(although not as strongly as I wrote in my first post) who have a crappy life, and instead of fixing it or starting again someplace else, they commit suicide.
    It's a permanent solution to a temporary problem, I don't see how you could <i>ever</i> get in so depressing a situation that you cannot fix it or get away from it.

    Was Michal clinically depressed when he suicided?

    EDIT2: On another rethought, I realized it is just how some people solve situations(for example; some look at hard-to-do things in a game like a challenge, others look at the same thing as a nuisance that reduces fun), so I'm even less of that opinion than at first.
    But secretly I still think suicidal people are worse somehow. It's like a religion I suppose.
  • kuperayekuperaye Join Date: 2003-03-14 Member: 14519Members, Constellation
    people are just too full of them selves when they dont get help

    especially when they know that they are said all the time

    omg take zoloft efexor

    it doesnt do anything bad just gives you a high basically
  • Seph_KimaraSeph_Kimara Join Date: 2003-08-10 Member: 19359Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-kuperaye+Jun 2 2004, 09:48 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (kuperaye @ Jun 2 2004, 09:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> people are just too full of them selves when they dont get help

    especially when they know that they are said all the time

    omg take zoloft efexor

    it doesnt do anything bad just gives you a high basically <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Go educate yourself on the condition and then you'll see why your statements are so idiotic.

    Saying "OMG U NUB TAEK TEH ZOLOFT HAPY PIL ADN YUO FEL BETTAR" to someone who is clinically depressed isn't going to get you anywhere. They lack the will to do anything about it not because they're full of themselves, but because they feel as though nobody CAN help. Chemical imbalances in the brain can do that to a person.

    Align: He'd just had a breakup with his girlfriend, and his writings in his livejournal do indicate that of someone who is suffering from it. He may have simply been undiagnosed.
  • kidakida Join Date: 2003-02-20 Member: 13778Members
    edited June 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->all i can say is weak

    i mean come on bare through the toughness of life seriously commiting suicide is the lowest possible thing one can do to themself. I have literally no respect for a person if they commit suicide. That is what life is if it gets to hard try a better route not friggen stick a gun in your mouth.

    Survival of the fittest anyone???
    <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Obviously, you have absolutely no freaking idea what some people have to go through in their minds. Wake the hell up, person who has no idea what real pain is. And if you do then don't say such imature things. It may appear that suicide is a licentious action in regard to the person himself and everyone around, but it was his choice, and we have to respect that decsision.

    EDIT:

    Yes, I do agree that some people kill themselves over stupid situations. But it seems that this man in regard, had some inner issues that are unkown to us beset.
  • SkulkBaitSkulkBait Join Date: 2003-02-11 Member: 13423Members
    Contrary to popular belief, people do not often commit suicide because "life is too hard", suicide is more often the result of seeing no point in ones continued existance. Thats the vibe I get from this guy's writings. Alse he seemed to be disillusioned with life, it may have begun when he opened that 12 year old time capsule and released how all his dreams had been crushed by the weight of reality, or it may have begun alot sooner, impossible to tell.
  • dr_ddr_d Join Date: 2003-03-28 Member: 14979Members
    edited June 2004
    I don't see how people can argue that commiting suicide comes from selfishness or stupidity, unless you are talking about a cult, commiting suicide takes a complete acception of ones own mortality. Most people, unintelligent people more than others, go through they're whole lives never accepting thier own mortality.

    Being depressed ironically takes a brain, and most simple and stupid people are happy for no reason most of thier lives. So before spouting off about what you think of suicide first evaluate your own life, if you see that its nothing but a collage of superficial garbage and that you are about as deep as a puddle then please take 5 seconds to wonder if you will sound like an idiot after posting.


    PS drugs such as zolaft and paxil have been found to increase the risk of suicide in early and late adolescents, not prevent it. Most anti-depressant have a high failure rate and an even higher addiction rate.
  • panda_de_malheureuxpanda_de_malheureux Join Date: 2003-12-26 Member: 24775Members
    So you lose all respect for them because they did something wrong that has nothing to do with you? Thats like saying I lost all my respect for you because you tie your shoelaces wrong. Complete idiocy.
  • kuperayekuperaye Join Date: 2003-03-14 Member: 14519Members, Constellation
    1) I DID HAVE DEPRESSION G TO THE G

    2) did you guys have a sister who wasnt even suppose to live and have many operations and lots and lots of medical problems??? I DO

    3) do you guys have a lot of medical problems too that pretty much make you a social out cast? I DO

    please dont tell me i dont know what real pain is if you havent lived 1 day of my life.
  • LikuLiku I, am the Somberlain. Join Date: 2003-01-10 Member: 12128Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-kuperaye+Jun 2 2004, 02:48 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (kuperaye @ Jun 2 2004, 02:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> omg take zoloft efexor

    it doesnt do anything bad just gives you a high basically <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    It never gave me a high.
  • MedHeadMedHead Join Date: 2002-12-19 Member: 11115Members, Constellation
    Are some of you actually <i>defending</i> suicide?
  • MulletMullet Join Date: 2003-04-28 Member: 15910Members, Constellation
    I don't think life can really be that bad to commit suicide...it's a shame that he thew it all away. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • panda_de_malheureuxpanda_de_malheureux Join Date: 2003-12-26 Member: 24775Members
    I for one am. There's no reason why people should have less freedom.
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