<!--QuoteBegin-Venmoch+Jul 28 2004, 12:34 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Venmoch @ Jul 28 2004, 12:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Jeeze you sound like a bunch of whiners. If Lucas wants to change <b>HIS</b> film then let him.
Either that or move on.
[Now I get flamed into oblivion] <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> now yuo dont undersatnd gorge luces dosent own star wras it blelongs to the fans now it is there moevie.
<!--QuoteBegin-TychoCelchuuu+Jul 28 2004, 08:10 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TychoCelchuuu @ Jul 28 2004, 08:10 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Venmoch+Jul 28 2004, 12:34 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Venmoch @ Jul 28 2004, 12:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Jeeze you sound like a bunch of whiners. If Lucas wants to change <b>HIS</b> film then let him.
Either that or move on.
[Now I get flamed into oblivion] <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> now yuo dont undersatnd gorge luces dosent own star wras it blelongs to the fans now it is there moevie. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> *Spell check please?* <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I don't mind Lucas changing his pictures (I didn't mind Speilberg ridding guns and expletives in ET), but the line is crossed when he changes entire plots and contexts, or adding things ultimately irrelevent that slows down or ruins what otherwise was a perfectly paced film. Then there's his complete ignorance and arrogance in ignoring us. (Speilberg included the Original Version on the 2nd DVD disc, James Cameron for the T2 DVD also gave you a choice).
<!--QuoteBegin-Javert+Jul 28 2004, 11:14 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Javert @ Jul 28 2004, 11:14 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> perfectly <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Several times people have used this word, and it's amusing. Nothing is perfect. One may <i>prefer</i> the original plot, but it does not make it perfect. Realize that George Lucas' opinion may be that the original Star Wars plot is <b>not</b> "perfect".
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edited July 2004
Another example of full-on CHANGING the movies, which I think I mentioned before:
When Alderaan is destroyed in <i>A New Hope</i>, the original movie cuts to Obi Wan, who says he feels a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out and then were silenced. Something like that.
In the new, "improved" version, Lucas has added an additional cut - to Yoda, also wincing at the destruction of the planet.
Here's the problem: in the beginning of <i>Empire</i>, Luke goes to Dagobah seeking Master Jedi Yoda. He finds this little fruity green dude who starts going through his stuff mumbling to himself. He tells the little bugger that he's seeking "a great warrior." The point? Luke - <i>and the audience</i> - has no CLUE that this nutjob is actually Yoda!
Except now they do, because Lucas is an idiot. Showing Yoda in ANH completely ruins his introduction in ESB.
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<!--QuoteBegin-Venmoch+Jul 28 2004, 04:34 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Venmoch @ Jul 28 2004, 04:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Jeeze you sound like a bunch of whiners. If Lucas wants to change <b>HIS</b> film then let him.
Either that or move on.
[Now I get flamed into oblivion] <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> You're right Ven, you do buddy! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
If they were <b>his</b> films he were changing, fair play. But he still didn't direct.
<!--QuoteBegin-coil+Jul 28 2004, 07:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (coil @ Jul 28 2004, 07:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Another example of full-on CHANGING the movies, which I think I mentioned before:
When Alderaan is destroyed in <i>A New Hope</i>, the original movie cuts to Obi Wan, who says he feels a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out and then were silenced. Something like that.
In the new, "improved" version, Lucas has added an additional cut - to Yoda, also wincing at the destruction of the planet.
Here's the problem: in the beginning of <i>Empire</i>, Luke goes to Dagobah seeking Master Jedi Yoda. He finds this little fruity green dude who starts going through his stuff mumbling to himself. He tells the little bugger that he's seeking "a great warrior." The point? Luke - <i>and the audience</i> - has no CLUE that this nutjob is actually Yoda!
Except now they do, because Lucas is an idiot. Showing Yoda in ANH completely ruins his introduction in ESB. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Prove it.
The only "evidence" we have of that is that it was listed on that big list of changes that they "thought would be cool if they were made."
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<!--QuoteBegin-coil+Jul 28 2004, 10:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (coil @ Jul 28 2004, 10:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Another example of full-on CHANGING the movies, which I think I mentioned before:
When Alderaan is destroyed in <i>A New Hope</i>, the original movie cuts to Obi Wan, who says he feels a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out and then were silenced. Something like that.
In the new, "improved" version, Lucas has added an additional cut - to Yoda, also wincing at the destruction of the planet.
Here's the problem: in the beginning of <i>Empire</i>, Luke goes to Dagobah seeking Master Jedi Yoda. He finds this little fruity green dude who starts going through his stuff mumbling to himself. He tells the little bugger that he's seeking "a great warrior." The point? Luke - <i>and the audience</i> - has no CLUE that this nutjob is actually Yoda!
Except now they do, because Lucas is an idiot. Showing Yoda in ANH completely ruins his introduction in ESB. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I think the idea is that the changes make the films fit better with the new trilogy (the prequels)... and anyone who has seen them and doesn't recognise Yoda immediately is stupid. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I'll say it again though: The only people moaning, are the people who own the original, unchanged trilogy. Why complain, when Lucas is trying to change his films to match the new audience, when you've already got the unchanged films and no incentive at all to buy the new ones, apart from doing so simply to moan.
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<!--QuoteBegin-X_Stickman+Jul 28 2004, 04:25 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (X_Stickman @ Jul 28 2004, 04:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'll say it again though: The only people moaning, are the people who own the original, unchanged trilogy. Why complain, when Lucas is trying to change his films to match the new audience, when you've already got the unchanged films and no incentive at all to buy the new ones, apart from doing so simply to moan. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Because then they wouldn't have anything stupid to moan about.
<!--QuoteBegin-TychoCelchuuu+Jul 28 2004, 03:23 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TychoCelchuuu @ Jul 28 2004, 03:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-coil+Jul 28 2004, 07:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (coil @ Jul 28 2004, 07:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Another example of full-on CHANGING the movies, which I think I mentioned before:
When Alderaan is destroyed in <i>A New Hope</i>, the original movie cuts to Obi Wan, who says he feels a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out and then were silenced. Something like that.
In the new, "improved" version, Lucas has added an additional cut - to Yoda, also wincing at the destruction of the planet.
Here's the problem: in the beginning of <i>Empire</i>, Luke goes to Dagobah seeking Master Jedi Yoda. He finds this little fruity green dude who starts going through his stuff mumbling to himself. He tells the little bugger that he's seeking "a great warrior." The point? Luke - <i>and the audience</i> - has no CLUE that this nutjob is actually Yoda!
Except now they do, because Lucas is an idiot. Showing Yoda in ANH completely ruins his introduction in ESB. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Prove it.
The only "evidence" we have of that is that it was listed on that big list of changes that they "thought would be cool if they were made." <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Correct, such a scene has not yet been confirmed. However, they have redone the CG Jabba and Boba the Fett's/stormtroopers voice, as well as some well-needed color correction.
What's wrong with midichlorians? Why does everyone hate them? How about this: you pretend they don't exist, and suddenly the prequels are perfect. Ta da!
<!--QuoteBegin-Infinitum+Jul 28 2004, 11:31 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Infinitum @ Jul 28 2004, 11:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The grand mystical power that is the force = sperm count?
That's what's wrong with it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I've got <i>all the force</i> baby, yeah!
<!--QuoteBegin-X_Stickman+Jul 28 2004, 06:25 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (X_Stickman @ Jul 28 2004, 06:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-coil+Jul 28 2004, 10:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (coil @ Jul 28 2004, 10:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Another example of full-on CHANGING the movies, which I think I mentioned before:
When Alderaan is destroyed in <i>A New Hope</i>, the original movie cuts to Obi Wan, who says he feels a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out and then were silenced. Something like that.
In the new, "improved" version, Lucas has added an additional cut - to Yoda, also wincing at the destruction of the planet.
Here's the problem: in the beginning of <i>Empire</i>, Luke goes to Dagobah seeking Master Jedi Yoda. He finds this little fruity green dude who starts going through his stuff mumbling to himself. He tells the little bugger that he's seeking "a great warrior." The point? Luke - <i>and the audience</i> - has no CLUE that this nutjob is actually Yoda!
Except now they do, because Lucas is an idiot. Showing Yoda in ANH completely ruins his introduction in ESB. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I think the idea is that the changes make the films fit better with the new trilogy (the prequels)... and anyone who has seen them and doesn't recognise Yoda immediately is stupid. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I'll say it again though: The only people moaning, are the people who own the original, unchanged trilogy. Why complain, when Lucas is trying to change his films to match the new audience, when you've already got the unchanged films and no incentive at all to buy the new ones, apart from doing so simply to moan. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Replace 'new audience' with 'new (mediocre) films'. Thats why I complain. Episode I and II were frickin horrible.
I think you guys are being a bit too Negative about this. I myself think the old movies could have a "facelift". I think George Lucas is doing good by "refreshing" the old movies. I myself want the new Episodes 4, 5, and 6. To keep with the Prequels in Graphics-wise but keeping the decent story. (Now Episode 1 and 2 WERENT THAT BAD, they werent good as the original triology but they were not bad. Episode 2 was nice)
<!--QuoteBegin-Felix-SC+Jul 29 2004, 05:58 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Felix-SC @ Jul 29 2004, 05:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I think you guys are being a bit too Negative about this. I myself think the old movies could have a "facelift". I think George Lucas is doing good by "refreshing" the old movies. I myself want the new Episodes 4, 5, and 6. To keep with the Prequels in Graphics-wise but keeping the decent story. (Now Episode 1 and 2 WERENT THAT BAD, they werent good as the original triology but they were not bad. Episode 2 was nice) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> 'Graphics' wise, 1 and 2 were crap. Look at the post before, or if youre too lazy I guess I'll explain. George Lucas and his team can't understand that not everything thats metal casts a frickin gleaming reflection. I could care less if Lucas just retouched the films effects, but completely changing stuff, thats like making a perpetual motion machine then taking it apart and making it into a snow cone machine.
<!--QuoteBegin-OttoDestruct+Jul 29 2004, 08:23 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (OttoDestruct @ Jul 29 2004, 08:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Felix-SC+Jul 29 2004, 05:58 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Felix-SC @ Jul 29 2004, 05:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I think you guys are being a bit too Negative about this. I myself think the old movies could have a "facelift". I think George Lucas is doing good by "refreshing" the old movies. I myself want the new Episodes 4, 5, and 6. To keep with the Prequels in Graphics-wise but keeping the decent story. (Now Episode 1 and 2 WERENT THAT BAD, they werent good as the original triology but they were not bad. Episode 2 was nice) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> 'Graphics' wise, 1 and 2 were crap. Look at the post before, or if youre too lazy I guess I'll explain. George Lucas and his team can't understand that not everything thats metal casts a frickin gleaming reflection. I could care less if Lucas just retouched the films effects, but completely changing stuff, thats like making a perpetual motion machine then taking it apart and making it into a snow cone machine. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> You're right, lets get rid of all that unrealistic crap like metal reflecting stuff or lightsabers or the force. Then Star Wars will rock.
<!--QuoteBegin-Felix-SC+Jul 29 2004, 05:58 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Felix-SC @ Jul 29 2004, 05:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I think you guys are being a bit too Negative about this. I myself think the old movies could have a "facelift". <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Did somebody say facelift? <img src='http://www.stmichaels-church.org/images/joan_rivers-thumb.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
As with any piece of art, you sometimes have to sit down and say: There. I am done.
I have done a few paintings, not liked the results, and tried to 'fix' them. In the process they turned out even worse. From that I learned that the art you create may not exactly be what you had in mind, but it is as close as you are going to get.
<!--QuoteBegin-wizard@psu+Jul 30 2004, 11:58 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (wizard@psu @ Jul 30 2004, 11:58 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> As with any piece of art, you sometimes have to sit down and say: There. I am done.
I have done a few paintings, not liked the results, and tried to 'fix' them. In the process they turned out even worse. From that I learned that the art you create may not exactly be what you had in mind, but it is as close as you are going to get. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> George Lucas isn't going back and "fixing" the movies because he "didn't like the results." The truth is simply that he was and is a visionary: he created ILM, he created Pixar, and has been the driving force behind the special effects industry. When he made Star Wars, it was leaps and bounds ahead of anything before it. But it was 1977. In 1977, you didn't have the technology you do today. Much of what you saw in the original trilogy was altered from his original vision; we only got what was possible. But now that technology has caught up to his imagination, we can see the trilogy the way he wanted it. Sure, the rancor looked awesome for a stop motion creature and the space battles were amazing, but I don't think it was part of his "original vision" to have TIE fighters appear from nowhere in the Battle of Endor or for the lightsabers to fade in and out at parts in A New Hope.
You know, this whole arguement just reminded me of something.
Old Testament vs New Testament
Personally, I liked the old God. He was much bigger on the whole fire and brimstone, lay your cities to waste and turn you into pillars of salt sort of thing.
<!--QuoteBegin-wizard@psu+Jul 30 2004, 02:04 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (wizard@psu @ Jul 30 2004, 02:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You know, this whole arguement just reminded me of something.
Old Testament vs New Testament
Personally, I liked the old God. He was much bigger on the whole fire and brimstone, lay your cities to waste and turn you into pillars of salt sort of thing. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> What, the Old Testament was written when they didn't have the technology to fully realize Jesus' teachings, but the New Testament made use of state of the art technologies to bring Jesus' original vision to the masses?
<!--QuoteBegin-TychoCelchuuu+Jul 30 2004, 12:11 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TychoCelchuuu @ Jul 30 2004, 12:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-wizard@psu+Jul 30 2004, 02:04 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (wizard@psu @ Jul 30 2004, 02:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You know, this whole arguement just reminded me of something.
Old Testament vs New Testament
Personally, I liked the old God. He was much bigger on the whole fire and brimstone, lay your cities to waste and turn you into pillars of salt sort of thing. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> What, the Old Testament was written when they didn't have the technology to fully realize Jesus' teachings, but the New Testament made use of state of the art technologies to bring Jesus' original vision to the masses?
That's new. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Gentleman, we can rebuild him. We have the technology. We can make him better, stronger, holier.
Personally, I liked the old God. He was much bigger on the whole fire and brimstone, lay your cities to waste and turn you into pillars of salt sort of thing. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> What, the Old Testament was written when they didn't have the technology to fully realize Jesus' teachings, but the New Testament made use of state of the art technologies to bring Jesus' original vision to the masses?
That's new. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Gentleman, we can rebuild him. We have the technology. We can make him better, stronger, holier.
But what should we call him?
Bionic-Son-of-Man... TechnoSavior... ElectroLord?
My favorite: RoboJesus <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> ..... .......... ............................................ I have a bad feeling about this.
<!--QuoteBegin-5kyh16h91+Jul 30 2004, 12:23 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (5kyh16h91 @ Jul 30 2004, 12:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-wizard@psu+Jul 30 2004, 12:18 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (wizard@psu @ Jul 30 2004, 12:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Gentleman, we can rebuild him. We have the technology. We can make him better, stronger, holier.
But what should we call him?
Bionic-Son-of-Man... TechnoSavior... ElectroLord?
My favorite: RoboJesus <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> ..... .......... ............................................ I have a bad feeling about this.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I would have made much more progress with RoboJesus. Sadly my efforts have been largely thwarted by this character.
<!--QuoteBegin-TychoCelchuuu+Jul 30 2004, 12:11 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TychoCelchuuu @ Jul 30 2004, 12:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> What, the Old Testament was written when they didn't have the technology to fully realize Jesus' teachings, but the New Testament made use of state of the art technologies to bring Jesus' original vision to the masses? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> "If You'd have come today - You'd have reached the whole nation. Israel 4 BC - had no mass communication."
-Jesus Christ Superstar
My feelings about this whole debacle are pretty much summed up by image nr. 3 on <a href='http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=2285&p=9' target='_blank'>this</a> page.
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<!--QuoteBegin-OttoDestruct+Jul 29 2004, 10:13 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (OttoDestruct @ Jul 29 2004, 10:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-X_Stickman+Jul 28 2004, 06:25 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (X_Stickman @ Jul 28 2004, 06:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-coil+Jul 28 2004, 10:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (coil @ Jul 28 2004, 10:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Another example of full-on CHANGING the movies, which I think I mentioned before:
When Alderaan is destroyed in <i>A New Hope</i>, the original movie cuts to Obi Wan, who says he feels a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out and then were silenced. Something like that.
In the new, "improved" version, Lucas has added an additional cut - to Yoda, also wincing at the destruction of the planet.
Here's the problem: in the beginning of <i>Empire</i>, Luke goes to Dagobah seeking Master Jedi Yoda. He finds this little fruity green dude who starts going through his stuff mumbling to himself. He tells the little bugger that he's seeking "a great warrior." The point? Luke - <i>and the audience</i> - has no CLUE that this nutjob is actually Yoda!
Except now they do, because Lucas is an idiot. Showing Yoda in ANH completely ruins his introduction in ESB. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I think the idea is that the changes make the films fit better with the new trilogy (the prequels)... and anyone who has seen them and doesn't recognise Yoda immediately is stupid. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I'll say it again though: The only people moaning, are the people who own the original, unchanged trilogy. Why complain, when Lucas is trying to change his films to match the new audience, when you've already got the unchanged films and no incentive at all to buy the new ones, apart from doing so simply to moan. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Replace 'new audience' with 'new (mediocre) films'. Thats why I complain. Episode I and II were frickin horrible. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> That may be, but it still doesn't change the fact that it doesn't effect you at all if you just go back and watch the original trilogy. They stand perfectly fine without the new films, you don't have to buy the updated versions (i'm assuming that you own the originals, and if you don't, you can't argue as a star wars fan <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->).
I heard a lot of stuff about Red Orchestra. I went and downloaded it, played a game, and i honestly thought it was a pile of crap. So i don't play it. Simple as. If someone asks me about it, i'll say that i didn't like it, but i won't go on a rant and complain that the mod devs have ruined UT2K3/4. Same thing with the new films.
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Either that or move on.
[Now I get flamed into oblivion] <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
now yuo dont undersatnd gorge luces dosent own star wras it blelongs to the fans now it is there moevie.
What? What's this? <b><i>Copyright?</i></b>
Either that or move on.
[Now I get flamed into oblivion] <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
now yuo dont undersatnd gorge luces dosent own star wras it blelongs to the fans now it is there moevie. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
*Spell check please?* <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I don't mind Lucas changing his pictures (I didn't mind Speilberg ridding guns and expletives in ET), but the line is crossed when he changes entire plots and contexts, or adding things ultimately irrelevent that slows down or ruins what otherwise was a perfectly paced film. Then there's his complete ignorance and arrogance in ignoring us. (Speilberg included the Original Version on the 2nd DVD disc, James Cameron for the T2 DVD also gave you a choice).
Several times people have used this word, and it's amusing. Nothing is perfect. One may <i>prefer</i> the original plot, but it does not make it perfect. Realize that George Lucas' opinion may be that the original Star Wars plot is <b>not</b> "perfect".
When Alderaan is destroyed in <i>A New Hope</i>, the original movie cuts to Obi Wan, who says he feels a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out and then were silenced. Something like that.
In the new, "improved" version, Lucas has added an additional cut - to Yoda, also wincing at the destruction of the planet.
Here's the problem: in the beginning of <i>Empire</i>, Luke goes to Dagobah seeking Master Jedi Yoda. He finds this little fruity green dude who starts going through his stuff mumbling to himself. He tells the little bugger that he's seeking "a great warrior." The point? Luke - <i>and the audience</i> - has no CLUE that this nutjob is actually Yoda!
Except now they do, because Lucas is an idiot. Showing Yoda in ANH completely ruins his introduction in ESB.
Either that or move on.
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You're right Ven, you do buddy! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
If they were <b>his</b> films he were changing, fair play. But he still didn't direct.
When Alderaan is destroyed in <i>A New Hope</i>, the original movie cuts to Obi Wan, who says he feels a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out and then were silenced. Something like that.
In the new, "improved" version, Lucas has added an additional cut - to Yoda, also wincing at the destruction of the planet.
Here's the problem: in the beginning of <i>Empire</i>, Luke goes to Dagobah seeking Master Jedi Yoda. He finds this little fruity green dude who starts going through his stuff mumbling to himself. He tells the little bugger that he's seeking "a great warrior." The point? Luke - <i>and the audience</i> - has no CLUE that this nutjob is actually Yoda!
Except now they do, because Lucas is an idiot. Showing Yoda in ANH completely ruins his introduction in ESB. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Prove it.
The only "evidence" we have of that is that it was listed on that big list of changes that they "thought would be cool if they were made."
When Alderaan is destroyed in <i>A New Hope</i>, the original movie cuts to Obi Wan, who says he feels a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out and then were silenced. Something like that.
In the new, "improved" version, Lucas has added an additional cut - to Yoda, also wincing at the destruction of the planet.
Here's the problem: in the beginning of <i>Empire</i>, Luke goes to Dagobah seeking Master Jedi Yoda. He finds this little fruity green dude who starts going through his stuff mumbling to himself. He tells the little bugger that he's seeking "a great warrior." The point? Luke - <i>and the audience</i> - has no CLUE that this nutjob is actually Yoda!
Except now they do, because Lucas is an idiot. Showing Yoda in ANH completely ruins his introduction in ESB. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think the idea is that the changes make the films fit better with the new trilogy (the prequels)... and anyone who has seen them and doesn't recognise Yoda immediately is stupid. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I'll say it again though: The only people moaning, are the people who own the original, unchanged trilogy. Why complain, when Lucas is trying to change his films to match the new audience, when you've already got the unchanged films and no incentive at all to buy the new ones, apart from doing so simply to moan.
Because then they wouldn't have anything stupid to moan about.
When Alderaan is destroyed in <i>A New Hope</i>, the original movie cuts to Obi Wan, who says he feels a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out and then were silenced. Something like that.
In the new, "improved" version, Lucas has added an additional cut - to Yoda, also wincing at the destruction of the planet.
Here's the problem: in the beginning of <i>Empire</i>, Luke goes to Dagobah seeking Master Jedi Yoda. He finds this little fruity green dude who starts going through his stuff mumbling to himself. He tells the little bugger that he's seeking "a great warrior." The point? Luke - <i>and the audience</i> - has no CLUE that this nutjob is actually Yoda!
Except now they do, because Lucas is an idiot. Showing Yoda in ANH completely ruins his introduction in ESB. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Prove it.
The only "evidence" we have of that is that it was listed on that big list of changes that they "thought would be cool if they were made." <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Correct, such a scene has not yet been confirmed. However, they have redone the CG Jabba and Boba the Fett's/stormtroopers voice, as well as some well-needed color correction.
That's what's wrong with it.
That's what's wrong with it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I've got <i>all the force</i> baby, yeah!
When Alderaan is destroyed in <i>A New Hope</i>, the original movie cuts to Obi Wan, who says he feels a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out and then were silenced. Something like that.
In the new, "improved" version, Lucas has added an additional cut - to Yoda, also wincing at the destruction of the planet.
Here's the problem: in the beginning of <i>Empire</i>, Luke goes to Dagobah seeking Master Jedi Yoda. He finds this little fruity green dude who starts going through his stuff mumbling to himself. He tells the little bugger that he's seeking "a great warrior." The point? Luke - <i>and the audience</i> - has no CLUE that this nutjob is actually Yoda!
Except now they do, because Lucas is an idiot. Showing Yoda in ANH completely ruins his introduction in ESB. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think the idea is that the changes make the films fit better with the new trilogy (the prequels)... and anyone who has seen them and doesn't recognise Yoda immediately is stupid. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I'll say it again though: The only people moaning, are the people who own the original, unchanged trilogy. Why complain, when Lucas is trying to change his films to match the new audience, when you've already got the unchanged films and no incentive at all to buy the new ones, apart from doing so simply to moan. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Replace 'new audience' with 'new (mediocre) films'. Thats why I complain. Episode I and II were frickin horrible.
'Graphics' wise, 1 and 2 were crap. Look at the post before, or if youre too lazy I guess I'll explain. George Lucas and his team can't understand that not everything thats metal casts a frickin gleaming reflection. I could care less if Lucas just retouched the films effects, but completely changing stuff, thats like making a perpetual motion machine then taking it apart and making it into a snow cone machine.
'Graphics' wise, 1 and 2 were crap. Look at the post before, or if youre too lazy I guess I'll explain. George Lucas and his team can't understand that not everything thats metal casts a frickin gleaming reflection. I could care less if Lucas just retouched the films effects, but completely changing stuff, thats like making a perpetual motion machine then taking it apart and making it into a snow cone machine. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
You're right, lets get rid of all that unrealistic crap like metal reflecting stuff or lightsabers or the force. Then Star Wars will rock.
Did somebody say facelift?
<img src='http://www.stmichaels-church.org/images/joan_rivers-thumb.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
As with any piece of art, you sometimes have to sit down and say: There. I am done.
I have done a few paintings, not liked the results, and tried to 'fix' them. In the process they turned out even worse. From that I learned that the art you create may not exactly be what you had in mind, but it is as close as you are going to get.
I have done a few paintings, not liked the results, and tried to 'fix' them. In the process they turned out even worse. From that I learned that the art you create may not exactly be what you had in mind, but it is as close as you are going to get. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
George Lucas isn't going back and "fixing" the movies because he "didn't like the results." The truth is simply that he was and is a visionary: he created ILM, he created Pixar, and has been the driving force behind the special effects industry. When he made Star Wars, it was leaps and bounds ahead of anything before it. But it was 1977. In 1977, you didn't have the technology you do today. Much of what you saw in the original trilogy was altered from his original vision; we only got what was possible. But now that technology has caught up to his imagination, we can see the trilogy the way he wanted it. Sure, the rancor looked awesome for a stop motion creature and the space battles were amazing, but I don't think it was part of his "original vision" to have TIE fighters appear from nowhere in the Battle of Endor or for the lightsabers to fade in and out at parts in A New Hope.
Old Testament vs New Testament
Personally, I liked the old God. He was much bigger on the whole fire and brimstone, lay your cities to waste and turn you into pillars of salt sort of thing.
Old Testament vs New Testament
Personally, I liked the old God. He was much bigger on the whole fire and brimstone, lay your cities to waste and turn you into pillars of salt sort of thing. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
What, the Old Testament was written when they didn't have the technology to fully realize Jesus' teachings, but the New Testament made use of state of the art technologies to bring Jesus' original vision to the masses?
That's new.
Old Testament vs New Testament
Personally, I liked the old God. He was much bigger on the whole fire and brimstone, lay your cities to waste and turn you into pillars of salt sort of thing. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What, the Old Testament was written when they didn't have the technology to fully realize Jesus' teachings, but the New Testament made use of state of the art technologies to bring Jesus' original vision to the masses?
That's new. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Gentleman, we can rebuild him. We have the technology. We can make him better, stronger, holier.
But what should we call him?
Bionic-Son-of-Man...
TechnoSavior...
ElectroLord?
My favorite: RoboJesus
Old Testament vs New Testament
Personally, I liked the old God. He was much bigger on the whole fire and brimstone, lay your cities to waste and turn you into pillars of salt sort of thing. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What, the Old Testament was written when they didn't have the technology to fully realize Jesus' teachings, but the New Testament made use of state of the art technologies to bring Jesus' original vision to the masses?
That's new. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Gentleman, we can rebuild him. We have the technology. We can make him better, stronger, holier.
But what should we call him?
Bionic-Son-of-Man...
TechnoSavior...
ElectroLord?
My favorite: RoboJesus <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
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I have a bad feeling about this.
But what should we call him?
Bionic-Son-of-Man...
TechnoSavior...
ElectroLord?
My favorite: RoboJesus <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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I have a bad feeling about this.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I would have made much more progress with RoboJesus. Sadly my efforts have been largely thwarted by this character.
<img src='http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~pennck/grabs/robotdevilsmall.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
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"If You'd have come today -
You'd have reached the whole nation.
Israel 4 BC -
had no mass communication."
-Jesus Christ Superstar
My feelings about this whole debacle are pretty much summed up by image nr. 3 on <a href='http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=2285&p=9' target='_blank'>this</a> page.
When Alderaan is destroyed in <i>A New Hope</i>, the original movie cuts to Obi Wan, who says he feels a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out and then were silenced. Something like that.
In the new, "improved" version, Lucas has added an additional cut - to Yoda, also wincing at the destruction of the planet.
Here's the problem: in the beginning of <i>Empire</i>, Luke goes to Dagobah seeking Master Jedi Yoda. He finds this little fruity green dude who starts going through his stuff mumbling to himself. He tells the little bugger that he's seeking "a great warrior." The point? Luke - <i>and the audience</i> - has no CLUE that this nutjob is actually Yoda!
Except now they do, because Lucas is an idiot. Showing Yoda in ANH completely ruins his introduction in ESB. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think the idea is that the changes make the films fit better with the new trilogy (the prequels)... and anyone who has seen them and doesn't recognise Yoda immediately is stupid. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I'll say it again though: The only people moaning, are the people who own the original, unchanged trilogy. Why complain, when Lucas is trying to change his films to match the new audience, when you've already got the unchanged films and no incentive at all to buy the new ones, apart from doing so simply to moan. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Replace 'new audience' with 'new (mediocre) films'. Thats why I complain. Episode I and II were frickin horrible. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
That may be, but it still doesn't change the fact that it doesn't effect you at all if you just go back and watch the original trilogy. They stand perfectly fine without the new films, you don't have to buy the updated versions (i'm assuming that you own the originals, and if you don't, you can't argue as a star wars fan <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->).
I heard a lot of stuff about Red Orchestra. I went and downloaded it, played a game, and i honestly thought it was a pile of crap. So i don't play it. Simple as. If someone asks me about it, i'll say that i didn't like it, but i won't go on a rant and complain that the mod devs have ruined UT2K3/4. Same thing with the new films.
Indiana....... let it go....
Wise words that should be applied to anyone reaching for the "definitive" Star Wars experience.