<!--QuoteBegin-DarkFrost+Nov 9 2004, 11:18 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DarkFrost @ Nov 9 2004, 11:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Nadagast+Nov 10 2004, 05:12 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nadagast @ Nov 10 2004, 05:12 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-DarkFrost+Nov 9 2004, 10:32 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DarkFrost @ Nov 9 2004, 10:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> That is because you have to, if you don't then you and your clan will fail, or call themself "Fun" clans <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Do you have to use scripts? No. Do you have to learn a whole lot more about the game? Yes. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Exactly what i meant.. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> OH <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--><--<
It is a shame really, he does make valid points, but here as everywhere the opinion of the many outwiegh the opinion of the few. A losing battle for clans everywhere.
FYI its not just clan numbers that have thinned out, its whole player base that has, I was gone a year i know, but the player base i remember was vastly superior to what it is now, is it the longer term players think the game is stale? or are they fed up with the latest generation of NS gamers already?
<!--QuoteBegin-titanium+Nov 9 2004, 11:21 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (titanium @ Nov 9 2004, 11:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> and they have every right to do so because they pay for the server and if you think someone devoting their <b>money</b> for you to play a <b>game</b> doesn't give them that right you've obviously never worked a day in your life and live in your parent's basement <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> that's amazing you know so much about me without meeting me in real life, or even seeing a picture of me! You're wrong btw <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> You are a bad psychic.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->i don't use any scripts (for <b>anything</b> -- i don't have medpack/ammo request scripts, 3jump, pistol, or anything else)
i completely support blockscripts 1<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Amazing? Does anyone else find it hypocritical that **** bashes this thread for being pointless argument, then comes back and does the same thing? pro
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->yet i frequently get banned from servers with blockscripts on while running cheating death because i'm "using an aim script" or "wallhacking"<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=81141' target='_blank'>I thought you stopped playing NS because the netcode was so bad?</a> Nevermind the hypocrisy around you posting a thread like that (bitching) and bashing me for attempting to do some good, with the backing of plenty of clanners and pubbers alike. HEIL TITLER HE IS NEVER WRONG.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->however i <b>still</b> do not come here and post about how people are ignorant and they need to know everything that i know because clearly i know more than them, because if that's what they choose to believe, then so be it. claiming you will change everyone's mind and inform the masses of something they really can't be bothered to care about because <b>not everyone is as obsessive over this computer game as you are</b> is so incredibly short-sighted i'm amazed that you continue to press the issue<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I don't see where I claimed that I would change everyone's mind. I don't see why it matters either. You don't need to change EVERYONE'S mind to change something... the KKK still exists today (you're probably a member, ****).
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->starting this thread which insults and spits all over many people who run and administrate servers, whether they are "ignorant" (in your opinion) or not, is no more mature than the actions of the individual who said he was going to "hack" your computer<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Calling someone ignorant is not an insult. If someone called me ignorant about something, I would ask why, and ask them to tell me the truth. If I find it BS, fine, if he's right, FINE, I've learned something. Ignorant is not an insult. It's not the same as stupid or dumb.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->trying to generalize problems you have so that they apply to all of natural selection and going so far as to say that they are the things ruining the game is not only absurd -- it's pathetic<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> It's pathetic? I think it's pathetic that you're such a drama **** that you post <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=81141' target='_blank'>this</a>, and then are playing again less than a month and a half later. I would agree that I didn't need to include the part about NS dying. SORRY.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->i named for you the actual problems this game has; this thread now serves as nothing more than a self-indulgent flamefest for those who think that they're better than those on "the other side of the fence" and arguing common sense back and forth ad nauseum<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I LOVE how you call it a flame-fest while taking what probably is the most hostile stance of anyone in the entire thread. JESUS every paragraph you type is OOZING with hypocrisy, HOW DO YOU DO IT?
Nadagast: firstly, read my post in it's entirety. I was explaining why some pubbers hate clanners. I know that what they're doing is ignorant. I knwo that lumping peopel together is ignorant.
you still lump people into groups. Stop telling me I'm ignorant beacuse of something Hieyeck posted. Why must you continually say NO YOU DON'T KNOW and then pick teh people who don't know, ignoring the people who DO know.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Nadagast: In addition, we are open minded. We reopened the topic for you to state your views. But you didn't seem to try to see it from our side either. It's a pub that we run. We cater to the general pub audience. You didnt' state any reasons how unblocking scripts would benefit our community/servers. We stated that having it enabled would benefit pubbers, because they could play and see that scripts didnt' increase skill. And not have to bother doing all that in-depth research into scripts to satisfy thier minds, when some of them only play a couple hours a week. In our view, blocking scripts has made the server more public friendly, and has furthered our goals.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
that is the crux of my argument.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->You re-opened the topic after I made this 10+ page post... and you re-locked it after nothing happened. I do try to see it from your side. However, when you make arguments that are as weak as "script bad! it does things for you!" I can't really be swayed. Not to mention the fact that you guys repeatedly and doggedly ignore any evidence I present in favor of scripting. What, the most educated and most skilled community in the game is all for scripts? BAH. What, the biggest and most competetive NS league is all for scripts? Means nothing. What, every single pubber who has converted to clanner is now adamantly pro-script? WHO CARES?
The fact is, if you guys even had a clue as to what scripts can/cannot do, there'd be a chance I would be swayed by your arguments. However, the thread makes it clear to me that you guys just do. not. know. Not only that, you refuse to listen. Before you say no, SEE HIEYECK'S reply, after my big post. He says, and I quote:<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
firstly, why the hell should we care? IT'S A PUB SERVER. We make it so that pubbers can come and have a good time. Why should everything become like CAL? you're basicaly saying THE WAY YOU DO IT IS THE RIGHT WAY. where's that open-mindedness you are preaching? <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->What, the most educated and most skilled community in the game is all for scripts? BAH. What, the biggest and most competetive NS league is all for scripts? Means nothing. What, every single pubber who has converted to clanner is now adamantly pro-script? WHO CARES?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Not everyone has the time to devote to making thier skill better. Most pubbers still beleive scripts are bad. They wont' be educated because they dont' really care to educate themselves.
You said that <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I repeatedly stated that SOME (ok every script in existance except 2) SCRIPTS are a convenience.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> so where's teh reason to turn mp_bs off? the CONVENIENCE of leaving it on for the pubbers in teh server is better than leaving it OFF for teh convenience of the few clanners than play on our server. It makes it easier to get a better environment, because we dont' have to get into the ****-fight of "scripts are bad, scripts are good" on the server. Less hassle, more fun.
Give me ONE GOOD REASON that outweighs the reason to leave it one, and I will help you get mp_bs off the servers. But you haven't given any.
<!--QuoteBegin-Nadagast+Nov 9 2004, 11:10 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nadagast @ Nov 9 2004, 11:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> We've already been over this. If my argument is true: Scripts aren't bad, then WHY NOT turn off mp_bs? I don't understand. Like I've said 3 times before: mp_bs 0 would dominate mp_bs 1. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Kobayashi, this is a good reason for turning off mp_bs, if I were right. Essentially it's the same as this <a href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal%27s_wager' target='_blank'>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal%27s_wager</a>
edit: changed a word <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Kobayashi+Nov 9 2004, 11:55 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Kobayashi @ Nov 9 2004, 11:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> but I alreasy stated that it helped remove teh pissfights between pubbers. and helped with teh spaming of OMG SCRIPTOR. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Uhm people still talk about scripts... and this is just justifying it by saying "they are ignorant"
we leave it on because the players want it on the players want it on because they don't know the truth
so? that's the way of most pubbers. They can't be bothered to learn. We're not a NS education site. we're just a server that tries to please it's audience. Which is the way with most things.
It's useless to try to educate the public on the ns.org forums when pretty much everyone here agrees that scripts aren't exploitative.
This has pretty much turned into a battle of "whether private servers should or should not be able to do what they want". Hopefully you can see the irony of this.
I think those people who download NS and allow other's opinions to become their own shouldn't join the clan scene in the first place.
Clanners accuse pubbers of stereotyping all competitive players as arrogant **** based on the actions of a few veterans, while those same players stereotype pubbers as ignorant morons based on the actions of a few pubbers. I believe the majority of pubbers agree that scripting is not abusive.
That being said, I do not agree with mp_blockscripts 1, and I believe taking that out will help fuse the community somewhat. However, you can't blame the server admins who decide to turn it on when the developers are the ones who integrated the command. A big part of this community split comes from the fact that developers are giving mixed symbols, allowing the server admins to decide whether scripting is abusive or not.
<b>Nadagast</b>: you've still managed to miss a point we brought up. <i>Not everybody is up to a skill level where scripts are of no use</i>. In fact, for many just starting out, scripting is a way to get ahead without developing the skill.
And also, I'm just about to puke on myself, for the reek of condescension. Please realize that your way (or my way either, in fact) is not the One True Way, and you are <i>not</i> (surprise surprise!) the One True $DEITY of NS.
<!--QuoteBegin-Keyser59+Nov 10 2004, 12:03 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Keyser59 @ Nov 10 2004, 12:03 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Clanners accuse pubbers of stereotyping all competitive players as arrogant **** based on the actions of a few veterans, while those same players stereotype pubbers as ignorant morons based on the actions of a few pubbers. I believe the majority of pubbers agree that scripting is not abusive. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Uhm, I'm pretty sure that I never said pubbers are ignorant morons. I'm pretty sure the point of this thread was to go against the <b>ideas that these communities promote</b>. I know the players themselves aren't morons but when they are fed so much misinformation...
I think I see where the clanners are coming from. They see themselves as the Guardian of the Community, dedicated to stomping out ignorance of the True Ways everywhere and to reform the community into a clan-recruiting feeding ground.
Surprise. There are quite a few people who play not for the competition, but for the enjoyment of it.
<!--QuoteBegin-john_sheu+Nov 10 2004, 12:04 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (john_sheu @ Nov 10 2004, 12:04 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> And also, I'm just about to puke on myself, for the reek of condescension. Please realize that your way (or my way either, in fact) is not the One True Way, and you are <i>not</i> (surprise surprise!) the One True $DEITY of NS. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Yeah I know I tend to talk condescending sometimes, I'm not sure where I got it. Just ignore it... I'm just a bad writer, I don't really value my own opinion more than others...
At the same time realize that many people are not aware of what scripts can/cannot do. I am...
anyway, look I know I come off as arrogant when I post sometimes, it's a bad habit/way of writing, and I try not to do it, but I do it anyway sometimes. So just ignore it <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I have to add something. mp_bs set to 1 is pleasing our audience. It also cuts down on the stuff i mentoined earlier. Running a server is about pleasing and keeping an audience/community.
As an example, I know of some mods for tfc that totally 'ruin' the game in my opinion. You're basically given credits for kills and online time that you can spend on godmode for a minute or a slay on someone else. I find it's is contrary to what tfc is supposed to be about, but there are people who like it. Does that make them all idiots who dont' see the true way of tfc? no. They are just catering to an audience.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Uhm, I'm pretty sure that I never said pubbers are ignorant morons. I'm pretty sure the point of this thread was to go against the ideas that these communities promote. I know the players themselves aren't morons but when they are fed so much misinformation..<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So why are you arguing here and not on whatever private forums that these communities might be located at? I mean the vast majority of the people on these boards have no arguments with scripting.
<!--QuoteBegin-john_sheu+Nov 10 2004, 12:08 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (john_sheu @ Nov 10 2004, 12:08 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I think I see where the clanners are coming from. They see themselves as the Guardian of the Community, dedicated to stomping out ignorance of the True Ways everywhere and to reform the community into a clan-recruiting feeding ground.
Surprise. There are quite a few people who play not for the competition, but for the enjoyment of it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Right we've been through this a million times before: I've said clanning isn't for everyone... but truth is. I'm not trying to recruit people into clans, I'm trying to make SOME pub communities more knowledgable about clanners, scripting, etc. A side effect of that (if it happens) might be some people joining clans, but it isn't the main point, or the goal.
If you already know the truth, that's fine, make up your mind either way, I don't care. But if you're deciding based on false information (I think we can agree) that's bad.
<!--QuoteBegin-Keyser59+Nov 10 2004, 12:11 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Keyser59 @ Nov 10 2004, 12:11 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Uhm, I'm pretty sure that I never said pubbers are ignorant morons. I'm pretty sure the point of this thread was to go against the ideas that these communities promote. I know the players themselves aren't morons but when they are fed so much misinformation..<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So why are you arguing here and not on whatever private forums that these communities might be located at? I mean the vast majority of the people on these boards have no arguments with scripting. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> because they lock threads I make...
I wish you'd have seen the marineshideout post.
and again, this thread really isn't about discussing scripting (although it happened sometimes) it's about the closed-minded communities.
his thread was locked in ours, because it was going nowhere. But I came here to try to see what he was trying to get at.
I see that he wants it disabled becuase scripts are harmless, and having more options when playing is good (the option of weather to script or not).
The point I'm trying to make is that our audience prefers to live in thier ignorance, so we will cater to them.
Alot of people are ignorant of many things. But there are people who dont' have teh time to learn, or simply dont' want to bother. These players are your average pubber. AKA our target audience.
<!--QuoteBegin-Kobayashi+Nov 10 2004, 12:11 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Kobayashi @ Nov 10 2004, 12:11 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> As an example, I know of some mods for tfc that totally 'ruin' the game in my opinion. You're basically given credits for kills and online time that you can spend on godmode for a minute or a slay on someone else. I find it's is contrary to what tfc is supposed to be about, but there are people who like it. Does that make them all idiots who dont' see the true way of tfc? no. They are just catering to an audience. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> This is more like a preference between Co and NS modes. It's not the same as blocking a part of the game because you see it as 'unfair.' (based on true OR false information)
Also... I'm not trying to promote mp_bs 0 here, I'm trying to promote knowledge.
Edit: Koba, assuming you agree with me, and have no problem with doing mp_bs 0, the only thing stopping you is that the pubbers would be against it? I'd be more than happy to write an article or something that people can read if they feel scripting is somehow unfair. Just link to it in the MOTD or something...
I guess that's a difference of opinion Keyser. I don't think that, just because they pay for the server justifies a closed-minded mentality. I guess you do... that's fine.
edit: In fact, I don't think much, if anything, justifies a closed-mind.
If you're trying to stop the clan hate, then it would be better to get down to that point. And not attack our way of doing things, but rather to show how your way works too.
Trying to force mp_blockscripts off wasn't going anywhere, because you weren't arguing that. You were trying to say that scripts aren't bad. But there are other reasons to keep mp_bs on then just allowing/disallowing scripts.
If you started a thread just saying how scripts dont' actaully help you, I'm sure you would've gotten your message across better. But now the community dislikes you already, so I it'll be much tougher.
problem is that you cant' educate them all, especially when they dont' care, wont' try. So most likely mp_bs will stay on.
We do link to articles and try to discuss things to come up with which one is better, but most of the peopel who play on our server dont' actaulyl bother to read teh forums. And there's your average pubber, who wont' allow himself to be reached.
<!--QuoteBegin-Kobayashi+Nov 10 2004, 12:21 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Kobayashi @ Nov 10 2004, 12:21 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Trying to force mp_blockscripts off wasn't going anywhere, because you weren't arguing that. You were trying to say that scripts aren't bad. But there are other reasons to keep mp_bs on then just allowing/disallowing scripts. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I wasn't trying to force mp_bs off. I was trying to show you guys the truth about scripting... If you decide that scripts are unfair and want to keep mp_bs on at that point, fine; all I wanted you to do was make and justify your decision about mp_bs with facts, not BS.
I understand now that there are reasons to keep mp_bs on than just scripts (I hadn't thought about it at the beginning). And I think that they can be solved... it's for the greater good
you claim that we're ignorant when you aren't even reading the entire post - let me quote something here...
original thread: <a href='http://guns4back2school.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=6941' target='_blank'>http://guns4back2school.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=6941</a>
this is my reply on the g4b2s forums (page 3) <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Take me as an example: Just as a skulk, i know i'm fairly good if i get up close - i can wipe out 5 marines in a pack, but i also know that when coming down long corridors (i'm usually already in teh red if i get that close and only manage to kill about 2 marines), i'm not the best at evading. now wouldn't you fell gipped if i loaded a bhop script (or your 3jump) and closed the distance in half the time? its not a skill i earned by practicing, but it sure made me at least 200% more effective. i know i would be **** if that happened, and that is why me and many of the community feel that scripts aren't good for this PUB server. all my effectiveness as a player is earned by practicing and that is something i'm proud of. players loading their skills dont impress me much and frankly, we dont want them to be playing with us. to improve my sniping in games, i loaded up 8 bots on awp_map in knife mode and my goal was to pick them off before they got to me. i practiced this about 1 hour a week and eventually worked my way up the ladder(in numbers) and at my best, i could kill 16 bots or so before having to kill the rest with my pistol. now THAT is something i earned and it did improve my sniping alot. this has stuck with me and at a LAN COD match, my team was bitching at me for killing everyone. they went everyone (9 others) vs me and i still killed them 7:1. if you want to 3jump so badly, GO PRACTICE IT. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
nadagast's reply: (page 4) <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I gotta do some homework right now, but it seems like you guys aren't reading my post. For example, Hieyeck still believing that if he was given a 3jump, he could suddenly bhop. He couldn't. You would need to learn how to bhop first.
Please, just read my long post that explains 3jump. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
i know very well how bhop works and i can't time my jumps <_< 3jumping removes part of that. the whole point of my post is that if you can do it with you the script, then do it without the script. you're arguing over a technical detail and missing the whole point of the post. on top of that he PMs me with **** about how there's no bhop script: <a href='http://paperlined.org/games/pc/natural_selection/2.01/scripts/3jump.html' target='_blank'>http://paperlined.org/games/pc/natural_sel...ipts/3jump.html</a>
i know your 3jump as bhop :o i can't believe you're picking on it over a name...
again, all you're doing is nitpicking on the technicalties, rather than thinking of the whole point of the post - i wouldn't be so quick on calling other people ignorant.
<!--QuoteBegin-Nadagast+Nov 10 2004, 12:25 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nadagast @ Nov 10 2004, 12:25 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Kobayashi+Nov 10 2004, 12:21 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Kobayashi @ Nov 10 2004, 12:21 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Trying to force mp_blockscripts off wasn't going anywhere, because you weren't arguing that. You were trying to say that scripts aren't bad. But there are other reasons to keep mp_bs on then just allowing/disallowing scripts. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I wasn't trying to force mp_bs off. I was trying to show you guys the truth about scripting... If you decide that scripts are unfair and want to keep mp_bs on at that point, fine; all I wanted you to do was make and justify your decision about mp_bs with facts, not BS.
I understand now that there are reasons to keep mp_bs on than just scripts (I hadn't thought about it at the beginning). And I think that they can be solved... it's for the greater good <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> sorry for the double post:
then why are you still bothering pubs. we know what scripts do and we dont want them now leave us alone. do you have nothing better to do than bother pub communities about this? maybe if you spent this time practicing you 3jump/bhop you wouldn't need a script and we wouldn't be having this argument, neh?
i wish you all a nice day. i'm going to play NS for *gasp* is it possible...? <u><b><i>FUN</i></b></u>
<!--QuoteBegin-Hieyeck+Nov 10 2004, 01:00 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Hieyeck @ Nov 10 2004, 01:00 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> you claim that we're ignorant when you aren't even reading the entire post - let me quote something here...
original thread: <a href='http://guns4back2school.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=6941' target='_blank'>http://guns4back2school.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=6941</a>
this is my reply on the g4b2s forums (page 3) <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Take me as an example: Just as a skulk, i know i'm fairly good if i get up close - i can wipe out 5 marines in a pack, but i also know that when coming down long corridors (i'm usually already in teh red if i get that close and only manage to kill about 2 marines), i'm not the best at evading. now wouldn't you fell gipped if i loaded a bhop script (or your 3jump) and closed the distance in half the time? its not a skill i earned by practicing, but it sure made me at least 200% more effective. i know i would be **** if that happened, and that is why me and many of the community feel that scripts aren't good for this PUB server. all my effectiveness as a player is earned by practicing and that is something i'm proud of. players loading their skills dont impress me much and frankly, we dont want them to be playing with us. to improve my sniping in games, i loaded up 8 bots on awp_map in knife mode and my goal was to pick them off before they got to me. i practiced this about 1 hour a week and eventually worked my way up the ladder(in numbers) and at my best, i could kill 16 bots or so before having to kill the rest with my pistol. now THAT is something i earned and it did improve my sniping alot. this has stuck with me and at a LAN COD match, my team was bitching at me for killing everyone. they went everyone (9 others) vs me and i still killed them 7:1. if you want to 3jump so badly, GO PRACTICE IT. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
nadagast's reply: (page 4) <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I gotta do some homework right now, but it seems like you guys aren't reading my post. For example, Hieyeck still believing that if he was given a 3jump, he could suddenly bhop. He couldn't. You would need to learn how to bhop first.
Please, just read my long post that explains 3jump. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
i know very well how bhop works and i can't time my jumps <_< 3jumping removes part of that. the whole point of my post is that if you can do it with you the script, then do it without the script. you're arguing over a technical detail and missing the whole point of the post. on top of that he PMs me with **** about how there's no bhop script: <a href='http://paperlined.org/games/pc/natural_selection/2.01/scripts/3jump.html' target='_blank'>http://paperlined.org/games/pc/natural_sel...ipts/3jump.html</a>
i know your 3jump as bhop :o i can't believe you're picking on it over a name...
again, all you're doing is nitpicking on the technicalties, rather than thinking of the whole point of the post - i wouldn't be so quick on calling other people ignorant. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Actually no you are being ignorant because you claim you need the 3jumps script (which is only one script) when you have several options avalible to you, including but not limited to
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Do you have to use scripts? No.
Do you have to learn a whole lot more about the game? Yes. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Exactly what i meant.. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
OH <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--><--<
FYI its not just clan numbers that have thinned out, its whole player base that has, I was gone a year i know, but the player base i remember was vastly superior to what it is now, is it the longer term players think the game is stale? or are they fed up with the latest generation of NS gamers already?
that's amazing you know so much about me without meeting me in real life, or even seeing a picture of me! You're wrong btw <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
You are a bad psychic.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->i don't use any scripts (for <b>anything</b> -- i don't have medpack/ammo request scripts, 3jump, pistol, or anything else)
i completely support blockscripts 1<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Amazing? Does anyone else find it hypocritical that **** bashes this thread for being pointless argument, then comes back and does the same thing? pro
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->yet i frequently get banned from servers with blockscripts on while running cheating death because i'm "using an aim script" or "wallhacking"<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=81141' target='_blank'>I thought you stopped playing NS because the netcode was so bad?</a> Nevermind the hypocrisy around you posting a thread like that (bitching) and bashing me for attempting to do some good, with the backing of plenty of clanners and pubbers alike.
HEIL TITLER HE IS NEVER WRONG.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->however i <b>still</b> do not come here and post about how people are ignorant and they need to know everything that i know because clearly i know more than them, because if that's what they choose to believe, then so be it. claiming you will change everyone's mind and inform the masses of something they really can't be bothered to care about because <b>not everyone is as obsessive over this computer game as you are</b> is so incredibly short-sighted i'm amazed that you continue to press the issue<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I don't see where I claimed that I would change everyone's mind. I don't see why it matters either. You don't need to change EVERYONE'S mind to change something... the KKK still exists today (you're probably a member, ****).
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->starting this thread which insults and spits all over many people who run and administrate servers, whether they are "ignorant" (in your opinion) or not, is no more mature than the actions of the individual who said he was going to "hack" your computer<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Calling someone ignorant is not an insult. If someone called me ignorant about something, I would ask why, and ask them to tell me the truth. If I find it BS, fine, if he's right, FINE, I've learned something. Ignorant is not an insult. It's not the same as stupid or dumb.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->trying to generalize problems you have so that they apply to all of natural selection and going so far as to say that they are the things ruining the game is not only absurd -- it's pathetic<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It's pathetic? I think it's pathetic that you're such a drama **** that you post <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=81141' target='_blank'>this</a>, and then are playing again less than a month and a half later.
I would agree that I didn't need to include the part about NS dying. SORRY.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->i named for you the actual problems this game has; this thread now serves as nothing more than a self-indulgent flamefest for those who think that they're better than those on "the other side of the fence" and arguing common sense back and forth ad nauseum<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I LOVE how you call it a flame-fest while taking what probably is the most hostile stance of anyone in the entire thread. JESUS every paragraph you type is OOZING with hypocrisy, HOW DO YOU DO IT?
edit: Ugh why does T I T get censored?
you still lump people into groups. Stop telling me I'm ignorant beacuse of something Hieyeck posted. Why must you continually say NO YOU DON'T KNOW and then pick teh people who don't know, ignoring the people who DO know.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Nadagast: In addition, we are open minded. We reopened the topic for you to state your views. But you didn't seem to try to see it from our side either. It's a pub that we run. We cater to the general pub audience. You didnt' state any reasons how unblocking scripts would benefit our community/servers. We stated that having it enabled would benefit pubbers, because they could play and see that scripts didnt' increase skill. And not have to bother doing all that in-depth research into scripts to satisfy thier minds, when some of them only play a couple hours a week. In our view, blocking scripts has made the server more public friendly, and has furthered our goals.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
that is the crux of my argument.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->You re-opened the topic after I made this 10+ page post... and you re-locked it after nothing happened.
I do try to see it from your side. However, when you make arguments that are as weak as "script bad! it does things for you!" I can't really be swayed. Not to mention the fact that you guys repeatedly and doggedly ignore any evidence I present in favor of scripting.
What, the most educated and most skilled community in the game is all for scripts? BAH.
What, the biggest and most competetive NS league is all for scripts? Means nothing.
What, every single pubber who has converted to clanner is now adamantly pro-script? WHO CARES?
The fact is, if you guys even had a clue as to what scripts can/cannot do, there'd be a chance I would be swayed by your arguments. However, the thread makes it clear to me that you guys just do. not. know. Not only that, you refuse to listen. Before you say no, SEE HIEYECK'S reply, after my big post. He says, and I quote:<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
firstly, why the hell should we care? IT'S A PUB SERVER. We make it so that pubbers can come and have a good time. Why should everything become like CAL? you're basicaly saying THE WAY YOU DO IT IS THE RIGHT WAY. where's that open-mindedness you are preaching?
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->What, the most educated and most skilled community in the game is all for scripts? BAH.
What, the biggest and most competetive NS league is all for scripts? Means nothing.
What, every single pubber who has converted to clanner is now adamantly pro-script? WHO CARES?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Not everyone has the time to devote to making thier skill better. Most pubbers still beleive scripts are bad. They wont' be educated because they dont' really care to educate themselves.
You said that <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I repeatedly stated that SOME (ok every script in existance except 2) SCRIPTS are a convenience.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
so where's teh reason to turn mp_bs off? the CONVENIENCE of leaving it on for the pubbers in teh server is better than leaving it OFF for teh convenience of the few clanners than play on our server. It makes it easier to get a better environment, because we dont' have to get into the ****-fight of "scripts are bad, scripts are good" on the server. Less hassle, more fun.
Give me ONE GOOD REASON that outweighs the reason to leave it one, and I will help you get mp_bs off the servers. But you haven't given any.
Kobayashi, this is a good reason for turning off mp_bs, if I were right.
Essentially it's the same as this <a href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal%27s_wager' target='_blank'>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal%27s_wager</a>
edit: changed a word <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Yes, scripts dont' hurt, but having them on makes for a worse pub environment.
I know it's practically an even bet other-wise, but I think that reason is good enoguht o leave it on.
Uhm people still talk about scripts... and this is just justifying it by saying "they are ignorant"
we leave it on because the players want it on
the players want it on because they don't know the truth
This has pretty much turned into a battle of "whether private servers should or should not be able to do what they want". Hopefully you can see the irony of this.
I think those people who download NS and allow other's opinions to become their own shouldn't join the clan scene in the first place.
Clanners accuse pubbers of stereotyping all competitive players as arrogant **** based on the actions of a few veterans, while those same players stereotype pubbers as ignorant morons based on the actions of a few pubbers. I believe the majority of pubbers agree that scripting is not abusive.
That being said, I do not agree with mp_blockscripts 1, and I believe taking that out will help fuse the community somewhat. However, you can't blame the server admins who decide to turn it on when the developers are the ones who integrated the command. A big part of this community split comes from the fact that developers are giving mixed symbols, allowing the server admins to decide whether scripting is abusive or not.
And also, I'm just about to puke on myself, for the reek of condescension. Please realize that your way (or my way either, in fact) is not the One True Way, and you are <i>not</i> (surprise surprise!) the One True $DEITY of NS.
Uhm, I'm pretty sure that I never said pubbers are ignorant morons. I'm pretty sure the point of this thread was to go against the <b>ideas that these communities promote</b>. I know the players themselves aren't morons but when they are fed so much misinformation...
Surprise. There are quite a few people who play not for the competition, but for the enjoyment of it.
Yeah I know I tend to talk condescending sometimes, I'm not sure where I got it. Just ignore it... I'm just a bad writer, I don't really value my own opinion more than others...
At the same time realize that many people are not aware of what scripts can/cannot do. I am...
anyway, look I know I come off as arrogant when I post sometimes, it's a bad habit/way of writing, and I try not to do it, but I do it anyway sometimes. So just ignore it <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
As an example, I know of some mods for tfc that totally 'ruin' the game in my opinion. You're basically given credits for kills and online time that you can spend on godmode for a minute or a slay on someone else. I find it's is contrary to what tfc is supposed to be about, but there are people who like it. Does that make them all idiots who dont' see the true way of tfc? no. They are just catering to an audience.
So why are you arguing here and not on whatever private forums that these communities might be located at? I mean the vast majority of the people on these boards have no arguments with scripting.
Surprise. There are quite a few people who play not for the competition, but for the enjoyment of it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Right we've been through this a million times before: I've said clanning isn't for everyone... but truth is. I'm not trying to recruit people into clans, I'm trying to make SOME pub communities more knowledgable about clanners, scripting, etc. A side effect of that (if it happens) might be some people joining clans, but it isn't the main point, or the goal.
If you already know the truth, that's fine, make up your mind either way, I don't care. But if you're deciding based on false information (I think we can agree) that's bad.
So why are you arguing here and not on whatever private forums that these communities might be located at? I mean the vast majority of the people on these boards have no arguments with scripting. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
because they lock threads I make...
I wish you'd have seen the marineshideout post.
and again, this thread really isn't about discussing scripting (although it happened sometimes) it's about the closed-minded communities.
I see that he wants it disabled becuase scripts are harmless, and having more options when playing is good (the option of weather to script or not).
The point I'm trying to make is that our audience prefers to live in thier ignorance, so we will cater to them.
Alot of people are ignorant of many things. But there are people who dont' have teh time to learn, or simply dont' want to bother. These players are your average pubber. AKA our target audience.
This is more like a preference between Co and NS modes. It's not the same as blocking a part of the game because you see it as 'unfair.' (based on true OR false information)
Also... I'm not trying to promote mp_bs 0 here, I'm trying to promote knowledge.
Edit: Koba, assuming you agree with me, and have no problem with doing mp_bs 0, the only thing stopping you is that the pubbers would be against it? I'd be more than happy to write an article or something that people can read if they feel scripting is somehow unfair. Just link to it in the MOTD or something...
Okay, they are close-minded. But they pay for the server so who are we to tell them what to do?
edit: In fact, I don't think much, if anything, justifies a closed-mind.
Trying to force mp_blockscripts off wasn't going anywhere, because you weren't arguing that. You were trying to say that scripts aren't bad. But there are other reasons to keep mp_bs on then just allowing/disallowing scripts.
If you started a thread just saying how scripts dont' actaully help you, I'm sure you would've gotten your message across better. But now the community dislikes you already, so I it'll be much tougher.
We do link to articles and try to discuss things to come up with which one is better, but most of the peopel who play on our server dont' actaulyl bother to read teh forums. And there's your average pubber, who wont' allow himself to be reached.
I wasn't trying to force mp_bs off. I was trying to show you guys the truth about scripting... If you decide that scripts are unfair and want to keep mp_bs on at that point, fine; all I wanted you to do was make and justify your decision about mp_bs with facts, not BS.
I understand now that there are reasons to keep mp_bs on than just scripts (I hadn't thought about it at the beginning). And I think that they can be solved... it's for the greater good
Edit: off to play NS, which is more important =P
original thread: <a href='http://guns4back2school.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=6941' target='_blank'>http://guns4back2school.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=6941</a>
this is my reply on the g4b2s forums (page 3)
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Take me as an example: Just as a skulk, i know i'm fairly good if i get up close - i can wipe out 5 marines in a pack, but i also know that when coming down long corridors (i'm usually already in teh red if i get that close and only manage to kill about 2 marines), i'm not the best at evading. now wouldn't you fell gipped if i loaded a bhop script (or your 3jump) and closed the distance in half the time? its not a skill i earned by practicing, but it sure made me at least 200% more effective. i know i would be **** if that happened, and that is why me and many of the community feel that scripts aren't good for this PUB server. all my effectiveness as a player is earned by practicing and that is something i'm proud of. players loading their skills dont impress me much and frankly, we dont want them to be playing with us. to improve my sniping in games, i loaded up 8 bots on awp_map in knife mode and my goal was to pick them off before they got to me. i practiced this about 1 hour a week and eventually worked my way up the ladder(in numbers) and at my best, i could kill 16 bots or so before having to kill the rest with my pistol. now THAT is something i earned and it did improve my sniping alot. this has stuck with me and at a LAN COD match, my team was bitching at me for killing everyone. they went everyone (9 others) vs me and i still killed them 7:1. if you want to 3jump so badly, GO PRACTICE IT. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
nadagast's reply: (page 4)
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I gotta do some homework right now, but it seems like you guys aren't reading my post. For example, Hieyeck still believing that if he was given a 3jump, he could suddenly bhop. He couldn't. You would need to learn how to bhop first.
Please, just read my long post that explains 3jump.
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
i know very well how bhop works and i can't time my jumps <_< 3jumping removes part of that. the whole point of my post is that if you can do it with you the script, then do it without the script. you're arguing over a technical detail and missing the whole point of the post. on top of that he PMs me with **** about how there's no bhop script: <a href='http://paperlined.org/games/pc/natural_selection/2.01/scripts/3jump.html' target='_blank'>http://paperlined.org/games/pc/natural_sel...ipts/3jump.html</a>
i know your 3jump as bhop :o i can't believe you're picking on it over a name...
again, all you're doing is nitpicking on the technicalties, rather than thinking of the whole point of the post - i wouldn't be so quick on calling other people ignorant.
I wasn't trying to force mp_bs off. I was trying to show you guys the truth about scripting... If you decide that scripts are unfair and want to keep mp_bs on at that point, fine; all I wanted you to do was make and justify your decision about mp_bs with facts, not BS.
I understand now that there are reasons to keep mp_bs on than just scripts (I hadn't thought about it at the beginning). And I think that they can be solved... it's for the greater good <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
sorry for the double post:
then why are you still bothering pubs. we know what scripts do and we dont want them now leave us alone. do you have nothing better to do than bother pub communities about this? maybe if you spent this time practicing you 3jump/bhop you wouldn't need a script and we wouldn't be having this argument, neh?
i wish you all a nice day. i'm going to play NS for *gasp* is it possible...? <u><b><i>FUN</i></b></u>
original thread: <a href='http://guns4back2school.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=6941' target='_blank'>http://guns4back2school.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=6941</a>
this is my reply on the g4b2s forums (page 3)
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Take me as an example: Just as a skulk, i know i'm fairly good if i get up close - i can wipe out 5 marines in a pack, but i also know that when coming down long corridors (i'm usually already in teh red if i get that close and only manage to kill about 2 marines), i'm not the best at evading. now wouldn't you fell gipped if i loaded a bhop script (or your 3jump) and closed the distance in half the time? its not a skill i earned by practicing, but it sure made me at least 200% more effective. i know i would be **** if that happened, and that is why me and many of the community feel that scripts aren't good for this PUB server. all my effectiveness as a player is earned by practicing and that is something i'm proud of. players loading their skills dont impress me much and frankly, we dont want them to be playing with us. to improve my sniping in games, i loaded up 8 bots on awp_map in knife mode and my goal was to pick them off before they got to me. i practiced this about 1 hour a week and eventually worked my way up the ladder(in numbers) and at my best, i could kill 16 bots or so before having to kill the rest with my pistol. now THAT is something i earned and it did improve my sniping alot. this has stuck with me and at a LAN COD match, my team was bitching at me for killing everyone. they went everyone (9 others) vs me and i still killed them 7:1. if you want to 3jump so badly, GO PRACTICE IT. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
nadagast's reply: (page 4)
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I gotta do some homework right now, but it seems like you guys aren't reading my post. For example, Hieyeck still believing that if he was given a 3jump, he could suddenly bhop. He couldn't. You would need to learn how to bhop first.
Please, just read my long post that explains 3jump.
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i know very well how bhop works and i can't time my jumps <_< 3jumping removes part of that. the whole point of my post is that if you can do it with you the script, then do it without the script. you're arguing over a technical detail and missing the whole point of the post. on top of that he PMs me with **** about how there's no bhop script: <a href='http://paperlined.org/games/pc/natural_selection/2.01/scripts/3jump.html' target='_blank'>http://paperlined.org/games/pc/natural_sel...ipts/3jump.html</a>
i know your 3jump as bhop :o i can't believe you're picking on it over a name...
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Actually no you are being ignorant because you claim you need the 3jumps script (which is only one script) when you have several options avalible to you, including but not limited to
- mousewheel
- macros