My Rants About Competative Ns.

Church · January 2005

He's not arguing over whether it is valuable to spawn camp or not. He is saying that it's not fun.

And I agree, it's not fun to be spawn camped, but spawn camping does win games, and is a part of the game.

Typically, in pubs, if spawn camping happens that early, that means the skills of the teams are fairly lobsided, and next round people shouldn't stack that much.

Sometimes I feel that people who like "no spawn camping" rules and such are also the typesof people that enjoy "No rush for 20 minutes" on Starcraft games. It's the exact same thing.

Anyways, I think this thread is kind of dumb. Each person is different. There will be clanners who are rude, and there will be non-clanners that are rude. Clanners ar ejust more high profile and easier to remember.

homicide · January 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (xtremecore @ Jan 21 2005, 07:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> i see nothing wrong with clanners, i actually look up to the more skilled players, i spec them to watch their technique/etc.. and building an rt takes minimal seconds of time. you can pressure the hive anytime. plus, with two or three marines, you can build twice as fast! i dont see why someone must be so eager to go pressure that hive right when spawning. It seems to be more about a kill ratio thing than to "help" your team ;x how do the aliens defend base when they are being killed upon spawn. where's the fun? you get all the res nodes then seige the last hive for a 3 - 5 minute game. now that's action packed. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Im not sure where you are getting the idea that stucture build time is insignificant, its not.

I can insure you attemping to spawn camp an alien team is a lot more enjoyable and chalenging than capping the weak side.

Clanners also frequently over compensate with extreme pressure on pubs because the pubbers have way too little pressure.

Although I will agree I could care less about the rest of my team on pubs, unless I know the player. If I drop an rt or hive, its only so I can get upgrades or somthing and kill better. The enjoyment of pubbing for most clanners has nothing to do with winning or losing. Clanners dont finish a public game thinking, "WOW that was awsome I just out skilled, out player, and out strategized the other team."

EDIT: A 3-5min siege on the 'last' hive is next to impossible if you cap all the res not to mention a rather poor strategy.

Grendel · January 2005

I've got tired of editing posts now, so if you can't keep from making jibes at people, I'll just delete your whole post. Do it enough and I'll just ask for you to be suspended or banned. Either is fine.

Comment on topic - There are many <b>reasons</b> for being rude. There are few, if any, justifications.

falloutx2 · January 2005

Nothing has been said in this thread that hasn't been said many times on irc, ventrillo or or other forums.

My advice regarding CAL, either develop a laid back attitude toward all the general crap that goes on or move on. Ego is part of playing in a competive game.

Just find some cool people to play with and ignore the rest.

xtremecore · January 2005

also see a lot of stacking, such as all the skilled players on one team and all the pubbers on the other.. it's no fun that way either. where's the practice or the challenge if you're on the same team as the skilled ones. i thought that's why clanners pubbed. This happens on every server except the mp_blockscripts ones. dont see much clanners or any type of vet over there.. hmm i wonder why. perhaps so many "skilled" depend on their scripts ? =x

ThreeLeggedSkulk · January 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (xtremecore @ Jan 22 2005, 08:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> hmm i wonder why. perhaps so many "skilled" depend on their scripts ? =x  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Just adding fuel to the fire....I'm not even going to start.

DuoGodOfDeath · January 2005

I went on a bs 1 server and wrecked it as marines :o

xtremecore · January 2005

but it's true though.. you hardly see any clanners or vets on script blocked servers. it levels the playing field a little more. If you practiced without scripts.. you'd probably be better with them..

MrGunner · January 2005

No it's just a waste of time to play without them when we use them in cal scrims and matches. I play a lot on blockscripts servers but I will play on a bs 0 server long before one with blockscripts on if there is one with open slots. I actually get better scores on bs1 servers because there are less skilled people that play on them too so I don't see how it's that level a playing field.

NGE · January 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MrGunner @ Jan 22 2005, 09:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> No it's just a waste of time to play without them when we use them in cal scrims and matches. I play a lot on blockscripts servers but I will play on a bs 0 server long before one with blockscripts on if there is one with open slots. I actually get better scores on bs1 servers because there are less skilled people that play on them too so I don't see how it's that level a playing field.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
because when you're not scripting and doing good you're pr0, unless it's vs me hacker

xtremecore · January 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MrGunner @ Jan 22 2005, 09:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> No it's just a waste of time to play without them when we use them in cal scrims and matches. I play a lot on blockscripts servers but I will play on a bs 0 server long before one with blockscripts on if there is one with open slots. I actually get better scores on bs1 servers because there are less skilled people that play on them too so I don't see how it's that level a playing field.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
that's why it's questionable about the "competitive" part of cal.. how are you bringing the best out of players if they are all using some kind of handicap(scripts) to aid them? it's not all them.. there is helpers(scripts). that's the whole point... not much skilled players play on bs 1 servers, so of course someone with skill is going to pull high ratios.

DuoGodOfDeath · January 2005

I'll say once again. Mp_Bs 1 was not suppose to block every script. Just the 'evil' ones that can cause harm. One example was a server crash script. And another one a Dev told me was a script that disabled your r_drawviewmodel.

xtremecore · January 2005

i was told it blocks anything with a ;wait or just the ";" in it. no two commands binded to one key.

MrGunner · January 2005

It just blocks it when you have more then one of the same command in one alias or a +/- command with any other command.

Xtreme alos, you've scrimmed us before a couple of times do you really think it will make that much difference if we play without scripts?

Router_Box · January 2005

I don't play on bs1 servers cause i use a pistol script bound to my mouse1. (you can shoot just as fast with a pistol script or bunnyhop just as fast using the mouse wheel) When i enter a bs1 server i have to rebind mouse1 to attack. It breaks my trigger and if i'm not paying attention i die once before i remember to rebind. those yellow "scripting has been disabled on this server" words don't hurt skulks too much <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' />

really, my pistol script isn't integral to my overall skill as a player.

Church · January 2005

I recently wrote a few small configs that I enable on bs_1 servers. It's not that hard really. I just push Delete and I switch to a bs_1 config, and I press f4 and I switch back to my default one. It's really easy for me to tell if a server is bs_1 or not because I have my spacebar bound to a crouch-jump script and if I can't jump in the readyroom I'll know immediately to switch configs.

Oh yeah, and I onyl recently started using a pistol script on mouse1, so bs_1 servers don't hurt my marine game at ALL. It's my alien bunnyhopping that sucks without my 3-jump (my mousewheel is used for something else)

Btw, some clanners don't play on bs_1 servers just because it's inconvenient to write anotehr config for it. I know that was the case for me until recently when my favorite bs_0 servers started being empty (damn you WoW) and I looked for some otehr servers to play. I also generally do better on bs_1 servers because a lot of the people there suck.

xtremecore · January 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MrGunner @ Jan 22 2005, 11:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> It just blocks it when you have more then one of the same command in one alias or a +/- command with any other command.

Xtreme alos, you've scrimmed us before a couple of times do you really think it will make that much difference if we play without scripts?  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
i could only make such an exception for obscure ;x

xtremecore · January 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Church @ Jan 23 2005, 11:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>I recently wrote a few small configs that I enable on bs_1 servers. It's not that hard really. I just push Delete and I switch to a bs_1 config, and I press f4 and I switch back to my default one. It's really easy for me to tell if a server is bs_1 or not because I have my spacebar bound to a crouch-jump script and if I can't jump in the readyroom I'll know immediately to switch configs.

Oh yeah, and I onyl recently started using a pistol script on mouse1, so bs_1 servers don't hurt my marine game at ALL. It's my alien bunnyhopping that sucks without my 3-jump (my mousewheel is used for something else)

Btw, some clanners don't play on bs_1 servers just because it's inconvenient to write anotehr config for it. I know that was the case for me until recently when my favorite bs_0 servers started being empty (damn you WoW) and I looked for some otehr servers to play. I also generally do better on bs_1 servers because a lot of the people there suck.</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
it's not that they suck.. it' because they dont have their uber blink/swipe/metab scripts, or the strafe special or even the pistol script to help them on their way. fanty plays on gibgames all the time, and he r0x teh s0x. WE CALL THIS ALL ORIGINAL PLAY with no additives ;D

xtremecore · January 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Church @ Jan 23 2005, 11:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I recently wrote a few small configs that I enable on bs_1 servers. It's not that hard really. I just push Delete and I switch to a bs_1 config, and I press f4 and I switch back to my default one. It's really easy for me to tell if a server is bs_1 or not because I have my spacebar bound to a crouch-jump script and if I can't jump in the readyroom I'll know immediately to switch configs.

Oh yeah, and I onyl recently started using a pistol script on mouse1, so bs_1 servers don't hurt my marine game at ALL. It's my alien bunnyhopping that sucks without my 3-jump (my mousewheel is used for something else)

Btw, some clanners don't play on bs_1 servers just because it's inconvenient to write anotehr config for it. I know that was the case for me until recently when my favorite bs_0 servers started being empty (damn you WoW) and I looked for some otehr servers to play. I also generally do better on bs_1 servers because a lot of the people there suck. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
could you paste those configs for me please? thanks <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' />

i probably should of just edited the last post DOHT!

homicide · January 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (xtremecore @ Jan 23 2005, 01:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Church @ Jan 23 2005, 11:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>I recently wrote a few small configs that I enable on bs_1 servers. It's not that hard really. I just push Delete and I switch to a bs_1 config, and I press f4 and I switch back to my default one. It's really easy for me to tell if a server is bs_1 or not because I have my spacebar bound to a crouch-jump script and if I can't jump in the readyroom I'll know immediately to switch configs.

Oh yeah, and I onyl recently started using a pistol script on mouse1, so bs_1 servers don't hurt my marine game at ALL. It's my alien bunnyhopping that sucks without my 3-jump (my mousewheel is used for something else)

Btw, some clanners don't play on bs_1 servers just because it's inconvenient to write anotehr config for it. I know that was the case for me until recently when my favorite bs_0 servers started being empty (damn you WoW) and I looked for some otehr servers to play. I also generally do better on bs_1 servers because a lot of the people there suck.</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
it's not that they suck.. it' because they dont have their uber blink/swipe/metab scripts, or the strafe special or even the pistol script to help them on their way. fanty plays on gibgames all the time, and he r0x teh s0x. WE CALL THIS ALL ORIGINAL PLAY with no additives ;D </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
You could not be more wrong.

90% of the time its because of the bhop script, the other 10% is because we dont want to deal with it.

EDIT: stop insulting your self on this forum with posts like this.

DuoGodOfDeath · January 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>it' because they dont have their uber blink/swipe/metab scripts, or the strafe special or even the pistol script to help them on their way.</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

Well as I play fade all the time and while only using one script for both alien and marine. A 3jump script (Mwheel can do that same thing :o but I like my right ctrl button). I get called a blink/swipe fade scripter all the time simply because my controls are set perfectly and I find myself *ALWAYS* switching between blink and swipe extremely fast.

Pistol script funny as it sounded I though it was worthless and shot to slow :o so I stuck with the 'Insert' button as my button masher. Im pretty sure I can unload all 10 rounds in less than a second or a little more than a second.

All in all people who complain at scripts are just annoying little people who complain and complain and complain more. You can do the same thing as a script can do just maybe some of us are different and prefer to use one because it feels more comfortable (ex me using ctrl instead of mousewheel).

Wiggle walk script I can almost outrun people with that doing my strafe jumping as a marine. Sooo yeah wiggle walk scripts are kinda worthless to me also.

Avast ye!

Firewater · January 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Some of you guys are just....elitists. A lot of you people think you're too good for us little pubbers, and are complete **** to everybody. It really bothers me how you guys are so good, yet some of the most frustrating **** I've ever played a game with. Now, I recently got into CAL-NS (Very recent, infact.) I haven't even played a match yet, but I'm up for the next match of our clan (From the Ashes). I'm excited, and its a lot of fun. For my first non public game, we scrimmed SuX. It was so much fun. Finally, I spent the game trying to reach an objective instead of herding my team into thinking that the objective was important enough to try for. SuX is a great bunch of guys, I know most of them well, and FTA is the most fun group of people I've played with (That is why I accepted their invitation, even though I was strongly Anti-CAL)
I realised it wasn't CAL I should be **** with, it was Elitists. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

I hate to break it to you. But life is elitist. Whenever there is a standard, there is elitism. Thats just how it is. Your preference over one restauraunt over another because of its atmosphere could be considered elitist. Getting accepted into a "better" University or College can be considered elitist. The fact that people will only go out with other people on a date usually based on physical attraction is elitist. I don't know why some people think the internet is different, and act so suprised that in a skill/strategy based game where some players are clearly better at the game than others, that elitism comes out of that.

Point to be made is, get over it REALLY quick, especially if you plan on being competitive. There would be still be elitists without CAL considering that competitive players on average are more coherent than pub players. Of course there are exceptions, but unfortunately most people think they are the exception
when they aren't.

Or you can keep crying elitism and consistently get offended by digital text over the internet.

Personally I find the latter more amusing, so please keep doing it <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' />

xtremecore · January 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (homicide @ Jan 23 2005, 04:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (xtremecore @ Jan 23 2005, 01:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Church @ Jan 23 2005, 11:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>I recently wrote a few small configs that I enable on bs_1 servers. It's not that hard really. I just push Delete and I switch to a bs_1 config, and I press f4 and I switch back to my default one. It's really easy for me to tell if a server is bs_1 or not because I have my spacebar bound to a crouch-jump script and if I can't jump in the readyroom I'll know immediately to switch configs.

Oh yeah, and I onyl recently started using a pistol script on mouse1, so bs_1 servers don't hurt my marine game at ALL. It's my alien bunnyhopping that sucks without my 3-jump (my mousewheel is used for something else)

Btw, some clanners don't play on bs_1 servers just because it's inconvenient to write anotehr config for it. I know that was the case for me until recently when my favorite bs_0 servers started being empty (damn you WoW) and I looked for some otehr servers to play. I also generally do better on bs_1 servers because a lot of the people there suck.</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
it's not that they suck.. it' because they dont have their uber blink/swipe/metab scripts, or the strafe special or even the pistol script to help them on their way. fanty plays on gibgames all the time, and he r0x teh s0x. WE CALL THIS ALL ORIGINAL PLAY with no additives ;D </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
You could not be more wrong.

90% of the time its because of the bhop script, the other 10% is because we dont want to deal with it.

EDIT: stop insulting your self on this forum with posts like this. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
not sure how i could be "wrong" when this is merely an opinon based on speculation. i believe you are trying to insult me much rather than i insulting myself, kthnx. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/nerd-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd-fix.gif' />

plus, if you are more comfortable using scripts, that probably means you started out using scripts, therefore you are depending on them as well as your own knowledge of the game. If you can be good at the game as it sits without any "helpers" or added bs, i believe your gaming experience would be much funner and challenging. as far as a pistol script goes, i don't see how more bullets = more kills, i believe accuracy plays a bigger part in that. i rather be slow and shoot 3 - 4 bullets and kill a skulk than unload a whole clip at uber fast speeds and kill nothing.

DuoGodOfDeath · January 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>plus, if you are more comfortable using scripts, that probably means you started out using scripts, therefore you are depending on them as well as your own knowledge of the game.</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

Well I think your talking to me about this. I started out as a beginner into the competative league I never used a script. In fact I didnt start using scripts until about 6 months ago. So thats 1 and a half years of using no scripts for NS. I always using ctrl to jump when I played and I tried mousewheel a few times (which I hate using as jump). But when I tried a 3jump on ctrl I felt extremely comfortable. Thus proving I didn't start out with scripts, thus making the tempur pedic mattress more comfortable than a regular spring mattress.

xtremecore · January 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DuoGodOfDeath @ Jan 23 2005, 07:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>plus, if you are more comfortable using scripts, that probably means you started out using scripts, therefore you are depending on them as well as your own knowledge of the game.</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

Well I think your talking to me about this. I started out as a beginner into the competative league I never used a script. In fact I didnt start using scripts until about 6 months ago. So thats 1 and a half years of using no scripts for NS. I always using ctrl to jump when I played and I tried mousewheel a few times (which I hate using as jump). But when I tried a 3jump on ctrl I felt extremely comfortable. Thus proving I didn't start out with scripts, thus making the tempur pedic mattress more comfortable than a regular spring mattress.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
then you're skill without scripts only furthers you with them, you would be excluded from my statement then <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />

SmoodCroozn · January 2005

I think the gap between nubs and pros is too wide and that is what kills games. Too often I see on servers, games that SHOULD be team vs team, boils down to the best few players on 1 team vs the best few players of another, and the rest of the players are treated as turrets. The magic of Starcraft was not a single units strength, but a variety of units. I think NS should be based more on traditional RTS elements (rock>scissor>paper), then skill (rock>paper, scissor). If everything was user-friendly I think it could help solve the problem. In RTS games, every unit is predictable and never misses, so I think having the player skill level gaps smaller is definitely a good thing. Or plan a skill level matching system of some sort (Warcraft III, Halo 2), when NS2 rolls around.

tjosan · January 2005

The problem is that it's the skill part of the game that is fun. Improving is the most fun you can have in any circumstance. Improve your tracking, twitch shooting, movement predictions, dodging skills, positioning, situational awareness etc. It's damn fun to make one of those big leaps of understanding that lets you perform just that much better. Making the game more like a RTS game is fine in theory, but it would kill the game in reality.

Manta · January 2005

You have to remember that NS is at the same time a strategy and a shooter. Sure, making the skill gap smaller might make it more like a real-time strategy game, where strategy is the most important, but that would destroy the shooter part - the skill, the aim, the personal tactics. Making it more like a real-time strategy really works for the commanders and perhaps the team in general, but not the individual players.

MrGunner · January 2005

What I find amusing is that I can go on to any server right now that's running blockscripts and play with hacked models and bright pink skins and no one would know the difference. Yet all anyone ever worries about is how I can pistol, and jump so fast.

DuoGodOfDeath · January 2005

Hah Gunner has a good point. Although they could enable consistancy but half the servers probably don't even know thats in the game yet.

My Rants About Competative Ns.

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