<!--QuoteBegin-AvengerX+Feb 22 2005, 02:19 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AvengerX @ Feb 22 2005, 02:19 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> and if that makes me a "zeolot" that wants to take away all of your freedom, then I guess i am. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I don't think anyone had any doubt about that.
why do you think I made this post? do you think I just want to rally an army, and say "hey lets go hunt us down some queers!" no... I made this post cuz I wanted people to see the problems with homosexuality, I want people to understand its a problem so we can work together to help the people suffering. the real victems of homosexuality are the people doing it. I don't think there lives are looking all that great at all... and it makes me feel bad.
<!--QuoteBegin-AvengerX+Feb 22 2005, 02:19 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AvengerX @ Feb 22 2005, 02:19 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> you make it sound like the world I want is such a horrible place. I just want a world where people understand the sacredness of sexual intercourse. and the holyness of marrige. and if that makes me a "zeolot" that wants to take away all of your freedom, then I guess i am. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> How does homosexuality take away from the sacredness of sexual intercourse? If it does, then so does sex with ANY form of birth control, unless it has a significant chance of producing children. Any sex between infertile people would be immoral. Sex between elderly people would be immoral. Not to be crude, but oral or anal sex between heterosexuals would be crude, too.
The only thing that I see that is sacred about homosexual intercourse and heterosexual is the reproductive function. Everything else about it is just for entertainment purposes.
<!--QuoteBegin-AvengerX+Feb 22 2005, 01:22 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AvengerX @ Feb 22 2005, 01:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> why do you think I made this post? do you think I just want to rally an army, and say "hey lets go hunt us down some queers!" no... I made this post cuz I wanted people to see the problems with homosexuality, I want people to understand its a problem so we can work together to help the people suffering. the real victems of homosexuality are the people doing it. I don't think there lives are looking all that great at all... and it makes me feel bad. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> And you have how many people telling you it's not a problem?
You still havn't said why it's a problem other than your religious texts. The only reason homosexuals suffer because of their homosexuality is because people don't accept it.
<!--QuoteBegin-AvengerX+Feb 22 2005, 02:22 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AvengerX @ Feb 22 2005, 02:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> why do you think I made this post? do you think I just want to rally an army, and say "hey lets go hunt us down some queers!" no... I made this post cuz I wanted people to see the problems with homosexuality, <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> And you have failed miserably to convince anybody. What does that tell you about your stance and/or your knowledge of the subject? To me it says that you are an ignorant fool. Not only have not defended your arguments well, you have have failed to successfully defeat anybody elses arguments.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I want people to understand its a problem so we can work together to help the people suffering.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Here is how we help the suffering homosexuals: LEAVE THEM THE **** ALONE! Stop telling them that they're commiting a crime against God, stop trying to outlaw their sexual activities, stop trying to treat them like flipping sub humans and just let them live their flipping lives!
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->the real victems of homosexuality are the people doing it.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yes they are, they are the only victims. But they don't make themselves victims, oh no, its people like YOU that make them victims. People who go around saying that they are evil, that their love is forbidden, that they need help. They don't! Just leave them the **** alone! Theyre happy the way they are!
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I don't think there lives are looking all that great at all... and it makes me feel bad.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I don't think your life is all that great at all, but you know what? I'm not going to get all up in your grill about telling you how to live it. I just want you to leave other people the **** alone and keep your ignorant ideals to yourself.
if by pig-headed, you mean someone with morals and ethics, then yes I suppose I am
why did god give us the abillitiy to have sex? was it just a toy he threw to us and said "hey kids have fun with this nifty trick" no. sex is for procreating and belongs in intement realtionships between a man and his wife. not a man and every other man he can get on.
<!--QuoteBegin-AvengerX+Feb 22 2005, 01:29 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AvengerX @ Feb 22 2005, 01:29 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> if by pig-headed, you mean someone with morals and ethics, then yes I suppose I am
why did god give us the abillitiy to have sex? was it just a toy he threw to us and said "hey kids have fun with this nifty trick" no. sex is for procreating and belongs in intement realtionships between a man and his wife. not a man and every other man he can get on. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I don't beleive in your God, so that argument is null, next please!
<!--QuoteBegin-AvengerX+Feb 22 2005, 02:29 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AvengerX @ Feb 22 2005, 02:29 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> if by pig-headed, you mean someone with morals and ethics, then yes I suppose I am
why did god give us the abillitiy to have sex? was it just a toy he threw to us and said "hey kids have fun with this nifty trick" no. sex is for procreating and belongs in intement realtionships between a man and his wife. not a man and every other man he can get on. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> See what we mean? You keep having to fall back on your faith, which can't be proven by definition, because you have absolutely no ability to prove what you are saying in any fasion what so ever. YOU HAVE LOST. wether you admit it or not. By defering to God, you are signaling that you have no argument, that you never really did to begin with. Ethics? Morals? Those very from God to God, what makes your God's the right one? Because he is the one true God? Prove it.... oh, you can't. ARGUMENT: DENIED!
<!--QuoteBegin-SkulkBait+Feb 22 2005, 02:28 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SkulkBait @ Feb 22 2005, 02:28 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-AvengerX+Feb 22 2005, 02:22 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AvengerX @ Feb 22 2005, 02:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> why do you think I made this post? do you think I just want to rally an army, and say "hey lets go hunt us down some queers!" no... I made this post cuz I wanted people to see the problems with homosexuality, <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> And you have failed miserably to convince anybody. What does that tell you about your stance and/or your knowledge of the subject? To me it says that you are an ignorant fool. Not only have not defended your arguments well, you have have failed to successfully defeat anybody elses arguments.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I want people to understand its a problem so we can work together to help the people suffering.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Here is how we help the suffering homosexuals: LEAVE THEM THE **** ALONE! Stop telling them that they're commiting a crime against God, stop trying to outlaw their sexual activities, stop trying to treat them like flipping sub humans and just let them live their flipping lives!
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->the real victems of homosexuality are the people doing it.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yes they are, they are the only victims. But they don't make themselves victims, oh no, its people like YOU that make them victims. People who go around saying that they are evil, that their love is forbidden, that they need help. They don't! Just leave them the **** alone! Theyre happy the way they are!
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I don't think there lives are looking all that great at all... and it makes me feel bad.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I don't think your life is all that great at all, but you know what? I'm not going to get all up in your grill about telling you how to live it. I just want you to leave other people the **** alone and keep your ignorant ideals to yourself. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> first off.. my life is great, I logg onto the forums and have sinners like you insult me like crazy, but does it get me down? not really. of course satan is going to try his hardest to get people to oppose rightousness. so its not really all that unaccpected. I have knowledge and faith that you lack. and I feel bad that your missing out on that. but I know your not ready or willing. so its all good
second of all. noah went on a mission for 200 years. and failed to convert anyone to listen to god. but did he let that get him down? not really, he just kept on doing the lords will and managed to survive the flood.
third of all. its in the scriptures that people in the later days will think good is evil and evil is good, and you guys are just fullfilling that prophecy really really well. that only increases my faith rather then shake my beliefs.
<!--QuoteBegin-AvengerX+Feb 22 2005, 02:29 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AvengerX @ Feb 22 2005, 02:29 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> if by pig-headed, you mean someone with morals and ethics, then yes I suppose I am
why did god give us the abillitiy to have sex? was it just a toy he threw to us and said "hey kids have fun with this nifty trick" no. sex is for procreating and belongs in intement realtionships between a man and his wife. not a man and every other man he can get on. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> If sex is only for procreating, then why should it be between married people only? Why not only allow sex between two people who believe that they should breed together? Why would God make sex pleasurable (if he considers many ways of doing it immoral), instead of something as basic as going potty?
Plus, the second you resort to religions views, you lose all your ability to suggest any sort of legislation or societal modes of any fashion. You cannot morally force your religious views on someone who doesn't share them.
<!--QuoteBegin-SkulkBait+Feb 22 2005, 02:32 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SkulkBait @ Feb 22 2005, 02:32 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-AvengerX+Feb 22 2005, 02:29 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AvengerX @ Feb 22 2005, 02:29 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> if by pig-headed, you mean someone with morals and ethics, then yes I suppose I am
why did god give us the abillitiy to have sex? was it just a toy he threw to us and said "hey kids have fun with this nifty trick" no. sex is for procreating and belongs in intement realtionships between a man and his wife. not a man and every other man he can get on. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> See what we mean? You keep having to fall back on your faith, which can't be proven by definition, because you have absolutely no ability to prove what you are saying in any fasion what so ever. YOU HAVE LOST. wether you admit it or not. By defering to God, you are signaling that you have no argument, that you never really did to begin with. Ethics? Morals? Those very from God to God, what makes your God's the right one? Because he is the one true God? Prove it.... oh, you can't. ARGUMENT: DENIED! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> we will all die one day, even the great skulkbait can't evade death. and we'll just have to wait and see what lies beyond the grave . I hope to see ya in the afterlife and hopefully we can talk on better terms.
<!--QuoteBegin-theclam+Feb 22 2005, 02:33 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (theclam @ Feb 22 2005, 02:33 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-AvengerX+Feb 22 2005, 02:29 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AvengerX @ Feb 22 2005, 02:29 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> if by pig-headed, you mean someone with morals and ethics, then yes I suppose I am
why did god give us the abillitiy to have sex? was it just a toy he threw to us and said "hey kids have fun with this nifty trick" no. sex is for procreating and belongs in intement realtionships between a man and his wife. not a man and every other man he can get on. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> If sex is only for procreating, then why should it be between married people only? Why not only allow sex between two people who believe that they should breed together? Why would God make sex pleasurable (if he considers many ways of doing it immoral), instead of something as basic as going potty?
Plus, the second you resort to religions views, you lose all your ability to suggest any sort of legislation or societal modes of any fashion. You cannot morally force your religious views on someone who doesn't share them. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> men are that they might have joy. course they men aren't that they might have joy with other men ....
<!--QuoteBegin-AvengerX+Feb 22 2005, 02:33 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AvengerX @ Feb 22 2005, 02:33 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-SkulkBait+Feb 22 2005, 02:32 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SkulkBait @ Feb 22 2005, 02:32 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-AvengerX+Feb 22 2005, 02:29 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AvengerX @ Feb 22 2005, 02:29 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> if by pig-headed, you mean someone with morals and ethics, then yes I suppose I am
why did god give us the abillitiy to have sex? was it just a toy he threw to us and said "hey kids have fun with this nifty trick" no. sex is for procreating and belongs in intement realtionships between a man and his wife. not a man and every other man he can get on. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> See what we mean? You keep having to fall back on your faith, which can't be proven by definition, because you have absolutely no ability to prove what you are saying in any fasion what so ever. YOU HAVE LOST. wether you admit it or not. By defering to God, you are signaling that you have no argument, that you never really did to begin with. Ethics? Morals? Those very from God to God, what makes your God's the right one? Because he is the one true God? Prove it.... oh, you can't. ARGUMENT: DENIED! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> we will all die one day, even the great skulkbait can't evade death. and we'll just have to wait and see what lies beyond the grave . I hope to see ya in the afterlife and hopefully we can talk on better terms. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I hope to see you in the afterlife, AvengerX. Chances are that it is completely different than the one you invision.
<!--QuoteBegin-AvengerX+Feb 22 2005, 02:32 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AvengerX @ Feb 22 2005, 02:32 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> first off.. my life is great, I logg onto the forums and have sinners like you insult me like crazy, but does it get me down? not really. of course satan is going to try his hardest to get people to oppose rightousness. so its not really all that unaccpected. I have knowledge and faith that you lack. and I feel bad that your missing out on that. but I know your not ready or willing. so its all good <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> See, your happy even though you are ignorant. And I'm willing to let you continue to be happy so long as you leave me alone. Why can't you do the same for the homosexuals? They're happy, so just leave them alone, ok?
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> second of all. noah went on a mission for 200 years. and failed to convert anyone to listen to god. but did he let that get him down? not really, he just kept on doing the lords will and managed to survive the flood.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> And that will matter when there is any evidence what so ever that any such flood existed. No wait, it still won't matter, my bad.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->third of all. its in the scriptures that people in the later days will think good is evil and evil is good, and you guys are just fullfilling that prophecy really really well. that only increases my faith rather then shake my beliefs.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Thats great really. You've also helped confirm my beliefs: That mormons are a bunch of ignorant self-ritious pig-headed morons.
<!--QuoteBegin-AvengerX+Feb 22 2005, 02:34 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AvengerX @ Feb 22 2005, 02:34 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-theclam+Feb 22 2005, 02:33 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (theclam @ Feb 22 2005, 02:33 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-AvengerX+Feb 22 2005, 02:29 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AvengerX @ Feb 22 2005, 02:29 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> if by pig-headed, you mean someone with morals and ethics, then yes I suppose I am
why did god give us the abillitiy to have sex? was it just a toy he threw to us and said "hey kids have fun with this nifty trick" no. sex is for procreating and belongs in intement realtionships between a man and his wife. not a man and every other man he can get on. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> If sex is only for procreating, then why should it be between married people only? Why not only allow sex between two people who believe that they should breed together? Why would God make sex pleasurable (if he considers many ways of doing it immoral), instead of something as basic as going potty?
Plus, the second you resort to religions views, you lose all your ability to suggest any sort of legislation or societal modes of any fashion. You cannot morally force your religious views on someone who doesn't share them. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> men are that they might have joy. course they men aren't that they might have joy with other men .... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> But there are so many things that men have to do that don't create any joy and there are so many ways of creating joy that don't involve sex? Why make sex pleasurable?
<!--QuoteBegin-theclam+Feb 22 2005, 02:35 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (theclam @ Feb 22 2005, 02:35 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-AvengerX+Feb 22 2005, 02:33 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AvengerX @ Feb 22 2005, 02:33 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-SkulkBait+Feb 22 2005, 02:32 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SkulkBait @ Feb 22 2005, 02:32 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-AvengerX+Feb 22 2005, 02:29 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AvengerX @ Feb 22 2005, 02:29 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> if by pig-headed, you mean someone with morals and ethics, then yes I suppose I am
why did god give us the abillitiy to have sex? was it just a toy he threw to us and said "hey kids have fun with this nifty trick" no. sex is for procreating and belongs in intement realtionships between a man and his wife. not a man and every other man he can get on. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> See what we mean? You keep having to fall back on your faith, which can't be proven by definition, because you have absolutely no ability to prove what you are saying in any fasion what so ever. YOU HAVE LOST. wether you admit it or not. By defering to God, you are signaling that you have no argument, that you never really did to begin with. Ethics? Morals? Those very from God to God, what makes your God's the right one? Because he is the one true God? Prove it.... oh, you can't. ARGUMENT: DENIED! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> we will all die one day, even the great skulkbait can't evade death. and we'll just have to wait and see what lies beyond the grave . I hope to see ya in the afterlife and hopefully we can talk on better terms. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I hope to see you in the afterlife, AvengerX. Chances are that it is completely different than the one you invision. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> clam, I can confidently say that I know very well what lies beyond death. I know more then anyone in this thread does thats for sure. I have a stead-fast belief and I know is true. and while you can't understand my faith or knowledge, I can , and thats all thats really importent
<!--QuoteBegin-AvengerX+Feb 22 2005, 02:33 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AvengerX @ Feb 22 2005, 02:33 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> we will all die one day, even the great skulkbait can't evade death. and we'll just have to wait and see what lies beyond the grave . I hope to see ya in the afterlife and hopefully we can talk on better terms. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I don't want to go to any afterlife where I aren't allowed to rip off your limbs and shove them up your corn hole. Because if I can't do that, then there is no justice in the world.
<!--QuoteBegin-SkulkBait+Feb 22 2005, 01:35 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SkulkBait @ Feb 22 2005, 01:35 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->third of all. its in the scriptures that people in the later days will think good is evil and evil is good, and you guys are just fullfilling that prophecy really really well. that only increases my faith rather then shake my beliefs.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Thats great really. You've also helped confirm my beliefs: That mormons are a bunch of ignorant self-ritious pig-headed morons. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Seconded.
<!--QuoteBegin-SkulkBait+Feb 22 2005, 02:37 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SkulkBait @ Feb 22 2005, 02:37 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-AvengerX+Feb 22 2005, 02:33 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AvengerX @ Feb 22 2005, 02:33 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> we will all die one day, even the great skulkbait can't evade death. and we'll just have to wait and see what lies beyond the grave . I hope to see ya in the afterlife and hopefully we can talk on better terms. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I don't want to go to any afterlife where I aren't allowed to rip off your limbs and shove them up your corn hole. Because if I can't do that, then there is no justice in the world. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> its too bad that what you want doesn't dictait the way the universe is governed then isn't it?
<!--QuoteBegin-AvengerX+Feb 22 2005, 02:38 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AvengerX @ Feb 22 2005, 02:38 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-SkulkBait+Feb 22 2005, 02:37 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SkulkBait @ Feb 22 2005, 02:37 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-AvengerX+Feb 22 2005, 02:33 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AvengerX @ Feb 22 2005, 02:33 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> we will all die one day, even the great skulkbait can't evade death. and we'll just have to wait and see what lies beyond the grave . I hope to see ya in the afterlife and hopefully we can talk on better terms. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I don't want to go to any afterlife where I aren't allowed to rip off your limbs and shove them up your corn hole. Because if I can't do that, then there is no justice in the world. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> its too bad that what you want doesn't dictait the way the universe is governed then isn't it? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yeah. That is too bad. But there is good news: at least the universe isn't governed by your wants.
Oh, in case a mod reads this thread and decides to ban me, I want this to go on the record: I have no regrets.
<!--QuoteBegin-Caboose+Feb 22 2005, 02:38 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Caboose @ Feb 22 2005, 02:38 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-SkulkBait+Feb 22 2005, 01:35 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SkulkBait @ Feb 22 2005, 01:35 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->third of all. its in the scriptures that people in the later days will think good is evil and evil is good, and you guys are just fullfilling that prophecy really really well. that only increases my faith rather then shake my beliefs.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Thats great really. You've also helped confirm my beliefs: That mormons are a bunch of ignorant self-ritious pig-headed morons. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Seconded. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> thast why in only a little less then 200 years the church has grown from 6 members to over 11 Million huh? I guess thats a lot of morons out there.
I'll grant that theese circumstances were not ideal to discuss anything, and that I'd much rather represent my church threw other means then on this silly little forum. but this is how it ended up for the moment, and while i like all men am not perfect I haven't done a perfect job of representing my church. but oh well, I'll repent and hopefully be forgiven.
its ok tho, trying to teach stiff necked and hard hearted people like you guys isn't exactly easy
<!--QuoteBegin-Caboose+Feb 22 2005, 02:38 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Caboose @ Feb 22 2005, 02:38 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-SkulkBait+Feb 22 2005, 01:35 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SkulkBait @ Feb 22 2005, 01:35 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->third of all. its in the scriptures that people in the later days will think good is evil and evil is good, and you guys are just fullfilling that prophecy really really well. that only increases my faith rather then shake my beliefs.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Thats great really. You've also helped confirm my beliefs: That mormons are a bunch of ignorant self-ritious pig-headed morons. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Seconded. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> That's not entirely true. I have a group of mormon cousins that have never tried to push their religious beliefs on my atheistic, godless life. It's just that MOST mormons are a bunch of ignorant self-righteous pig-headed morons, but you do a disservice to some good people by saying that all of them are. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-AvengerX+Feb 22 2005, 02:32 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AvengerX @ Feb 22 2005, 02:32 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> third of all. its in the scriptures that people in the later days will think good is evil and evil is good, and you guys are just fullfilling that prophecy really really well. that only increases my faith rather then shake my beliefs. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> For once we agree. You think "good" which in this case is homosexual love is "evil". Maybe theres something to that book of yours afterall <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-SkulkBait+Feb 22 2005, 02:40 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SkulkBait @ Feb 22 2005, 02:40 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-AvengerX+Feb 22 2005, 02:38 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AvengerX @ Feb 22 2005, 02:38 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-SkulkBait+Feb 22 2005, 02:37 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SkulkBait @ Feb 22 2005, 02:37 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-AvengerX+Feb 22 2005, 02:33 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AvengerX @ Feb 22 2005, 02:33 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> we will all die one day, even the great skulkbait can't evade death. and we'll just have to wait and see what lies beyond the grave . I hope to see ya in the afterlife and hopefully we can talk on better terms. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I don't want to go to any afterlife where I aren't allowed to rip off your limbs and shove them up your corn hole. Because if I can't do that, then there is no justice in the world. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> its too bad that what you want doesn't dictait the way the universe is governed then isn't it? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yeah. That is too bad. But there is good news: at least the universe isn't governed by your wants.
Oh, in case a mod reads this thread and decides to ban me, I want this to go on the record: I have no regrets. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I hope you don't get banned. I mean sure you don't know anything about god or faith or the life to come. but you know a lot about NS and some other stuff about the world. and thats allways usefull in the community
<!--QuoteBegin-AvengerX+Feb 22 2005, 01:38 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AvengerX @ Feb 22 2005, 01:38 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-SkulkBait+Feb 22 2005, 02:37 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SkulkBait @ Feb 22 2005, 02:37 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-AvengerX+Feb 22 2005, 02:33 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AvengerX @ Feb 22 2005, 02:33 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> we will all die one day, even the great skulkbait can't evade death. and we'll just have to wait and see what lies beyond the grave . I hope to see ya in the afterlife and hopefully we can talk on better terms. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I don't want to go to any afterlife where I aren't allowed to rip off your limbs and shove them up your corn hole. Because if I can't do that, then there is no justice in the world. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> its too bad that what you want doesn't dictait the way the universe is governed then isn't it? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> QUIT BEING SO flipping PIG HEADED!
There are religions that predate your theistic hate mongering ****. Buddhism, which I practice doesn't beleive in an afterlife, instead, we beleive that life is a continuing cycle, and simply put only ends once you figure out what life really is. It ends, there is no afterlife, that's ideal, then there's no more suffering!
11 Million out of 8 Billion choose, or are forced, to be pig-headed like yourself. You can never proove a point or expand as a human being unless you try to accept others for who they are.
<!--QuoteBegin-AvengerX+Feb 22 2005, 02:41 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AvengerX @ Feb 22 2005, 02:41 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Caboose+Feb 22 2005, 02:38 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Caboose @ Feb 22 2005, 02:38 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-SkulkBait+Feb 22 2005, 01:35 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SkulkBait @ Feb 22 2005, 01:35 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->third of all. its in the scriptures that people in the later days will think good is evil and evil is good, and you guys are just fullfilling that prophecy really really well. that only increases my faith rather then shake my beliefs.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Thats great really. You've also helped confirm my beliefs: That mormons are a bunch of ignorant self-ritious pig-headed morons. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Seconded. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> thast why in only a little less then 200 years the church has grown from 6 members to over 11 Million huh? I guess thats a lot of morons out there.
I'll grant that theese circumstances were not ideal to discuss anything, and that I'd much rather represent my church threw other means then on this silly little forum. but this is how it ended up for the moment, and while i like all men am not perfect I haven't done a perfect job of representing my church. but oh well, I'll repent and hopefully be forgiven.
its ok tho, trying to teach stiff necked and hard hearted people like you guys isn't exactly easy <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Yes, population numbers alone tell you how good a religious belief is. So, when Jesus was born, I guess Jupiter was the true ruler of man, right?
The number of adherents of a religion has nothing to do with its truth or merit. It only has anything to do with how well its adherents proselytize, how well its marketing system works, and how attractive its beliefs appear to an outsider.
<!--QuoteBegin-AvengerX+Feb 22 2005, 02:41 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AvengerX @ Feb 22 2005, 02:41 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Caboose+Feb 22 2005, 02:38 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Caboose @ Feb 22 2005, 02:38 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-SkulkBait+Feb 22 2005, 01:35 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SkulkBait @ Feb 22 2005, 01:35 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->third of all. its in the scriptures that people in the later days will think good is evil and evil is good, and you guys are just fullfilling that prophecy really really well. that only increases my faith rather then shake my beliefs.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Thats great really. You've also helped confirm my beliefs: That mormons are a bunch of ignorant self-ritious pig-headed morons. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Seconded. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> thast why in only a little less then 200 years the church has grown from 6 members to over 11 Million huh? I guess thats a lot of morons out there. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Scientology has grown even faster in less time. Doesn't mean anything.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'll grant that theese circumstances were not ideal to discuss anything, and that I'd much rather represent my church threw other means then on this silly little forum. but this is how it ended up for the moment, and while i like all men am not perfect I haven't done a perfect job of representing my church. but oh well, I'll repent and hopefully be forgiven.
its ok tho, trying to teach stiff necked and hard hearted people like you guys isn't exactly easy<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Similarly, trying to teach the thickhead logic-proof likes of you is extremely difficult.
<!--QuoteBegin-Caboose+Feb 22 2005, 02:44 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Caboose @ Feb 22 2005, 02:44 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-AvengerX+Feb 22 2005, 01:38 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AvengerX @ Feb 22 2005, 01:38 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-SkulkBait+Feb 22 2005, 02:37 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SkulkBait @ Feb 22 2005, 02:37 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-AvengerX+Feb 22 2005, 02:33 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AvengerX @ Feb 22 2005, 02:33 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> we will all die one day, even the great skulkbait can't evade death. and we'll just have to wait and see what lies beyond the grave . I hope to see ya in the afterlife and hopefully we can talk on better terms. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I don't want to go to any afterlife where I aren't allowed to rip off your limbs and shove them up your corn hole. Because if I can't do that, then there is no justice in the world. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> its too bad that what you want doesn't dictait the way the universe is governed then isn't it? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> QUIT BEING SO flipping PIG HEADED!
There are religions that predate your theistic hate mongering ****. Buddhism, which I practice doesn't beleive in an afterlife, instead, we beleive that life is a continuing cycle, and simply put only ends once you figure out what life really is. It ends, there is no afterlife, that's ideal, then there's no more suffering!
11 Million out of 8 Billion choose, or are forced, to be pig-headed like yourself. You can never proove a point or expand as a human being unless you try to accept others for who they are. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> buddism also promotes tranquility, and you seem to lack that a lot. in fact you seem like a very unstable person
<!--QuoteBegin-AvengerX+Feb 22 2005, 02:46 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AvengerX @ Feb 22 2005, 02:46 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> buddism also promotes tranquility, and you seem to lack that a lot. in fact you seem like a very unstable person <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Its hard to be tranquil dealing with the likes of you. As the budda say: "Jesus dude! Shut the **** up!"
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I don't think anyone had any doubt about that.
How does homosexuality take away from the sacredness of sexual intercourse? If it does, then so does sex with ANY form of birth control, unless it has a significant chance of producing children. Any sex between infertile people would be immoral. Sex between elderly people would be immoral. Not to be crude, but oral or anal sex between heterosexuals would be crude, too.
The only thing that I see that is sacred about homosexual intercourse and heterosexual is the reproductive function. Everything else about it is just for entertainment purposes.
And you have how many people telling you it's not a problem?
You still havn't said why it's a problem other than your religious texts. The only reason homosexuals suffer because of their homosexuality is because people don't accept it.
You really are pig headed you know that?
And you have failed miserably to convince anybody. What does that tell you about your stance and/or your knowledge of the subject? To me it says that you are an ignorant fool. Not only have not defended your arguments well, you have have failed to successfully defeat anybody elses arguments.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I want people to understand its a problem so we can work together to help the people suffering.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Here is how we help the suffering homosexuals: LEAVE THEM THE **** ALONE! Stop telling them that they're commiting a crime against God, stop trying to outlaw their sexual activities, stop trying to treat them like flipping sub humans and just let them live their flipping lives!
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->the real victems of homosexuality are the people doing it.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes they are, they are the only victims. But they don't make themselves victims, oh no, its people like YOU that make them victims. People who go around saying that they are evil, that their love is forbidden, that they need help. They don't! Just leave them the **** alone! Theyre happy the way they are!
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I don't think there lives are looking all that great at all... and it makes me feel bad.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I don't think your life is all that great at all, but you know what? I'm not going to get all up in your grill about telling you how to live it. I just want you to leave other people the **** alone and keep your ignorant ideals to yourself.
why did god give us the abillitiy to have sex? was it just a toy he threw to us and said "hey kids have fun with this nifty trick" no. sex is for procreating and belongs in intement realtionships between a man and his wife. not a man and every other man he can get on.
why did god give us the abillitiy to have sex? was it just a toy he threw to us and said "hey kids have fun with this nifty trick" no. sex is for procreating and belongs in intement realtionships between a man and his wife. not a man and every other man he can get on. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I don't beleive in your God, so that argument is null, next please!
why did god give us the abillitiy to have sex? was it just a toy he threw to us and said "hey kids have fun with this nifty trick" no. sex is for procreating and belongs in intement realtionships between a man and his wife. not a man and every other man he can get on. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
See what we mean? You keep having to fall back on your faith, which can't be proven by definition, because you have absolutely no ability to prove what you are saying in any fasion what so ever. YOU HAVE LOST. wether you admit it or not. By defering to God, you are signaling that you have no argument, that you never really did to begin with. Ethics? Morals? Those very from God to God, what makes your God's the right one? Because he is the one true God? Prove it.... oh, you can't. ARGUMENT: DENIED!
And you have failed miserably to convince anybody. What does that tell you about your stance and/or your knowledge of the subject? To me it says that you are an ignorant fool. Not only have not defended your arguments well, you have have failed to successfully defeat anybody elses arguments.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I want people to understand its a problem so we can work together to help the people suffering.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Here is how we help the suffering homosexuals: LEAVE THEM THE **** ALONE! Stop telling them that they're commiting a crime against God, stop trying to outlaw their sexual activities, stop trying to treat them like flipping sub humans and just let them live their flipping lives!
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->the real victems of homosexuality are the people doing it.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes they are, they are the only victims. But they don't make themselves victims, oh no, its people like YOU that make them victims. People who go around saying that they are evil, that their love is forbidden, that they need help. They don't! Just leave them the **** alone! Theyre happy the way they are!
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I don't think there lives are looking all that great at all... and it makes me feel bad.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I don't think your life is all that great at all, but you know what? I'm not going to get all up in your grill about telling you how to live it. I just want you to leave other people the **** alone and keep your ignorant ideals to yourself. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
first off.. my life is great, I logg onto the forums and have sinners like you insult me like crazy, but does it get me down? not really. of course satan is going to try his hardest to get people to oppose rightousness. so its not really all that unaccpected. I have knowledge and faith that you lack. and I feel bad that your missing out on that. but I know your not ready or willing. so its all good
second of all. noah went on a mission for 200 years. and failed to convert anyone to listen to god. but did he let that get him down? not really, he just kept on doing the lords will and managed to survive the flood.
third of all. its in the scriptures that people in the later days will think good is evil and evil is good, and you guys are just fullfilling that prophecy really really well. that only increases my faith rather then shake my beliefs.
why did god give us the abillitiy to have sex? was it just a toy he threw to us and said "hey kids have fun with this nifty trick" no. sex is for procreating and belongs in intement realtionships between a man and his wife. not a man and every other man he can get on. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
If sex is only for procreating, then why should it be between married people only? Why not only allow sex between two people who believe that they should breed together? Why would God make sex pleasurable (if he considers many ways of doing it immoral), instead of something as basic as going potty?
Plus, the second you resort to religions views, you lose all your ability to suggest any sort of legislation or societal modes of any fashion. You cannot morally force your religious views on someone who doesn't share them.
why did god give us the abillitiy to have sex? was it just a toy he threw to us and said "hey kids have fun with this nifty trick" no. sex is for procreating and belongs in intement realtionships between a man and his wife. not a man and every other man he can get on. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
See what we mean? You keep having to fall back on your faith, which can't be proven by definition, because you have absolutely no ability to prove what you are saying in any fasion what so ever. YOU HAVE LOST. wether you admit it or not. By defering to God, you are signaling that you have no argument, that you never really did to begin with. Ethics? Morals? Those very from God to God, what makes your God's the right one? Because he is the one true God? Prove it.... oh, you can't. ARGUMENT: DENIED! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
we will all die one day, even the great skulkbait can't evade death. and we'll just have to wait and see what lies beyond the grave . I hope to see ya in the afterlife and hopefully we can talk on better terms.
why did god give us the abillitiy to have sex? was it just a toy he threw to us and said "hey kids have fun with this nifty trick" no. sex is for procreating and belongs in intement realtionships between a man and his wife. not a man and every other man he can get on. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If sex is only for procreating, then why should it be between married people only? Why not only allow sex between two people who believe that they should breed together? Why would God make sex pleasurable (if he considers many ways of doing it immoral), instead of something as basic as going potty?
Plus, the second you resort to religions views, you lose all your ability to suggest any sort of legislation or societal modes of any fashion. You cannot morally force your religious views on someone who doesn't share them. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
men are that they might have joy. course they men aren't that they might have joy with other men ....
why did god give us the abillitiy to have sex? was it just a toy he threw to us and said "hey kids have fun with this nifty trick" no. sex is for procreating and belongs in intement realtionships between a man and his wife. not a man and every other man he can get on. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
See what we mean? You keep having to fall back on your faith, which can't be proven by definition, because you have absolutely no ability to prove what you are saying in any fasion what so ever. YOU HAVE LOST. wether you admit it or not. By defering to God, you are signaling that you have no argument, that you never really did to begin with. Ethics? Morals? Those very from God to God, what makes your God's the right one? Because he is the one true God? Prove it.... oh, you can't. ARGUMENT: DENIED! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
we will all die one day, even the great skulkbait can't evade death. and we'll just have to wait and see what lies beyond the grave . I hope to see ya in the afterlife and hopefully we can talk on better terms. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I hope to see you in the afterlife, AvengerX. Chances are that it is completely different than the one you invision.
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See, your happy even though you are ignorant. And I'm willing to let you continue to be happy so long as you leave me alone. Why can't you do the same for the homosexuals? They're happy, so just leave them alone, ok?
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second of all. noah went on a mission for 200 years. and failed to convert anyone to listen to god. but did he let that get him down? not really, he just kept on doing the lords will and managed to survive the flood.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And that will matter when there is any evidence what so ever that any such flood existed. No wait, it still won't matter, my bad.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->third of all. its in the scriptures that people in the later days will think good is evil and evil is good, and you guys are just fullfilling that prophecy really really well. that only increases my faith rather then shake my beliefs.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Thats great really. You've also helped confirm my beliefs: That mormons are a bunch of ignorant self-ritious pig-headed morons.
why did god give us the abillitiy to have sex? was it just a toy he threw to us and said "hey kids have fun with this nifty trick" no. sex is for procreating and belongs in intement realtionships between a man and his wife. not a man and every other man he can get on. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If sex is only for procreating, then why should it be between married people only? Why not only allow sex between two people who believe that they should breed together? Why would God make sex pleasurable (if he considers many ways of doing it immoral), instead of something as basic as going potty?
Plus, the second you resort to religions views, you lose all your ability to suggest any sort of legislation or societal modes of any fashion. You cannot morally force your religious views on someone who doesn't share them. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
men are that they might have joy. course they men aren't that they might have joy with other men .... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
But there are so many things that men have to do that don't create any joy and there are so many ways of creating joy that don't involve sex? Why make sex pleasurable?
why did god give us the abillitiy to have sex? was it just a toy he threw to us and said "hey kids have fun with this nifty trick" no. sex is for procreating and belongs in intement realtionships between a man and his wife. not a man and every other man he can get on. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
See what we mean? You keep having to fall back on your faith, which can't be proven by definition, because you have absolutely no ability to prove what you are saying in any fasion what so ever. YOU HAVE LOST. wether you admit it or not. By defering to God, you are signaling that you have no argument, that you never really did to begin with. Ethics? Morals? Those very from God to God, what makes your God's the right one? Because he is the one true God? Prove it.... oh, you can't. ARGUMENT: DENIED! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
we will all die one day, even the great skulkbait can't evade death. and we'll just have to wait and see what lies beyond the grave . I hope to see ya in the afterlife and hopefully we can talk on better terms. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I hope to see you in the afterlife, AvengerX. Chances are that it is completely different than the one you invision. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
clam, I can confidently say that I know very well what lies beyond death. I know more then anyone in this thread does thats for sure. I have a stead-fast belief and I know is true. and while you can't understand my faith or knowledge, I can , and thats all thats really importent
I don't want to go to any afterlife where I aren't allowed to rip off your limbs and shove them up your corn hole. Because if I can't do that, then there is no justice in the world.
Thats great really. You've also helped confirm my beliefs: That mormons are a bunch of ignorant self-ritious pig-headed morons. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Seconded.
I don't want to go to any afterlife where I aren't allowed to rip off your limbs and shove them up your corn hole. Because if I can't do that, then there is no justice in the world. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
its too bad that what you want doesn't dictait the way the universe is governed then isn't it?
I don't want to go to any afterlife where I aren't allowed to rip off your limbs and shove them up your corn hole. Because if I can't do that, then there is no justice in the world. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
its too bad that what you want doesn't dictait the way the universe is governed then isn't it? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah. That is too bad. But there is good news: at least the universe isn't governed by your wants.
Oh, in case a mod reads this thread and decides to ban me, I want this to go on the record: I have no regrets.
Thats great really. You've also helped confirm my beliefs: That mormons are a bunch of ignorant self-ritious pig-headed morons. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Seconded. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
thast why in only a little less then 200 years the church has grown from 6 members to over 11 Million huh? I guess thats a lot of morons out there.
I'll grant that theese circumstances were not ideal to discuss anything, and that I'd much rather represent my church threw other means then on this silly little forum. but this is how it ended up for the moment, and while i like all men am not perfect I haven't done a perfect job of representing my church. but oh well, I'll repent and hopefully be forgiven.
its ok tho, trying to teach stiff necked and hard hearted people like you guys isn't exactly easy
Thats great really. You've also helped confirm my beliefs: That mormons are a bunch of ignorant self-ritious pig-headed morons. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Seconded. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's not entirely true. I have a group of mormon cousins that have never tried to push their religious beliefs on my atheistic, godless life. It's just that MOST mormons are a bunch of ignorant self-righteous pig-headed morons, but you do a disservice to some good people by saying that all of them are. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
For once we agree. You think "good" which in this case is homosexual love is "evil". Maybe theres something to that book of yours afterall <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I don't want to go to any afterlife where I aren't allowed to rip off your limbs and shove them up your corn hole. Because if I can't do that, then there is no justice in the world. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
its too bad that what you want doesn't dictait the way the universe is governed then isn't it? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah. That is too bad. But there is good news: at least the universe isn't governed by your wants.
Oh, in case a mod reads this thread and decides to ban me, I want this to go on the record: I have no regrets. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I hope you don't get banned. I mean sure you don't know anything about god or faith or the life to come. but you know a lot about NS and some other stuff about the world. and thats allways usefull in the community
I don't want to go to any afterlife where I aren't allowed to rip off your limbs and shove them up your corn hole. Because if I can't do that, then there is no justice in the world. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
its too bad that what you want doesn't dictait the way the universe is governed then isn't it? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
QUIT BEING SO flipping PIG HEADED!
There are religions that predate your theistic hate mongering ****. Buddhism, which I practice doesn't beleive in an afterlife, instead, we beleive that life is a continuing cycle, and simply put only ends once you figure out what life really is. It ends, there is no afterlife, that's ideal, then there's no more suffering!
11 Million out of 8 Billion choose, or are forced, to be pig-headed like yourself. You can never proove a point or expand as a human being unless you try to accept others for who they are.
Thats great really. You've also helped confirm my beliefs: That mormons are a bunch of ignorant self-ritious pig-headed morons. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Seconded. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
thast why in only a little less then 200 years the church has grown from 6 members to over 11 Million huh? I guess thats a lot of morons out there.
I'll grant that theese circumstances were not ideal to discuss anything, and that I'd much rather represent my church threw other means then on this silly little forum. but this is how it ended up for the moment, and while i like all men am not perfect I haven't done a perfect job of representing my church. but oh well, I'll repent and hopefully be forgiven.
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Yes, population numbers alone tell you how good a religious belief is. So, when Jesus was born, I guess Jupiter was the true ruler of man, right?
The number of adherents of a religion has nothing to do with its truth or merit. It only has anything to do with how well its adherents proselytize, how well its marketing system works, and how attractive its beliefs appear to an outsider.
Thats great really. You've also helped confirm my beliefs: That mormons are a bunch of ignorant self-ritious pig-headed morons. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Seconded. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
thast why in only a little less then 200 years the church has grown from 6 members to over 11 Million huh? I guess thats a lot of morons out there.
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Scientology has grown even faster in less time. Doesn't mean anything.
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I'll grant that theese circumstances were not ideal to discuss anything, and that I'd much rather represent my church threw other means then on this silly little forum. but this is how it ended up for the moment, and while i like all men am not perfect I haven't done a perfect job of representing my church. but oh well, I'll repent and hopefully be forgiven.
its ok tho, trying to teach stiff necked and hard hearted people like you guys isn't exactly easy<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Similarly, trying to teach the thickhead logic-proof likes of you is extremely difficult.
I don't want to go to any afterlife where I aren't allowed to rip off your limbs and shove them up your corn hole. Because if I can't do that, then there is no justice in the world. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
its too bad that what you want doesn't dictait the way the universe is governed then isn't it? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
QUIT BEING SO flipping PIG HEADED!
There are religions that predate your theistic hate mongering ****. Buddhism, which I practice doesn't beleive in an afterlife, instead, we beleive that life is a continuing cycle, and simply put only ends once you figure out what life really is. It ends, there is no afterlife, that's ideal, then there's no more suffering!
11 Million out of 8 Billion choose, or are forced, to be pig-headed like yourself. You can never proove a point or expand as a human being unless you try to accept others for who they are. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
buddism also promotes tranquility, and you seem to lack that a lot. in fact you seem like a very unstable person
Its hard to be tranquil dealing with the likes of you. As the budda say: "Jesus dude! Shut the **** up!"
Locked.