<!--QuoteBegin-AvengerX+Mar 15 2005, 12:11 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AvengerX @ Mar 15 2005, 12:11 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-SkulkBait+Mar 15 2005, 12:09 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SkulkBait @ Mar 15 2005, 12:09 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-AvengerX+Mar 15 2005, 12:08 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AvengerX @ Mar 15 2005, 12:08 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-SkulkBait+Mar 15 2005, 12:07 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SkulkBait @ Mar 15 2005, 12:07 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-AvengerX+Mar 15 2005, 12:02 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AvengerX @ Mar 15 2005, 12:02 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> what I'm saying. is spiritual rightous people such as myself<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> You may be spiritual, but you certainly are one of the least righteous christians I've ever had to deal with. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> correction... you don't HAVE to deal with me, your doing all of this by your own free will nobody put a gun to your head and told you "Skulk bait! plague theese forums with your stupidity!!!" <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> fair enough. You're still not even remotely righteous. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> how so? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I think he is referring to the numerous ad hominem attacks that you have made, which is something that isn't very "Christian" of you to do.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->right·eous Audio pronunciation of "righteous" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rchs) adj.
1. Morally upright; without guilt or sin: a righteous parishioner. 2. In accordance with virtue or morality: a righteous judgment. 3. Morally justifiable: righteous anger. See Synonyms at moral. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> By the definition of your own religion you cannot fit definition #1 (under christianity all mankind is guilty of sin simply for being). You can't even follow the values you profess to believe, as evidenced by several of your responses in this thread, so you clearly cannot fit definition #2 or #3. Worse yet, you're just a complete a**hat.
Edit: vulgar word surprisingly not cought by word filter.
1. Morally upright; without guilt or sin: a righteous parishioner. 2. In accordance with virtue or morality: a righteous judgment. 3. Morally justifiable: righteous anger. See Synonyms at moral. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> By the definition of your own religion you cannot fit definition #1 (under christianity all mankind is guilty of sin simply for being). You can't even follow the values you profess to believe, as evidenced by several of your responses in this thread, so you clearly cannot fit definition #2 or #3. Worse yet, you're just a complete asshat. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> why would you care tho? there's no life after death so why would it matter to a guy like you weather you deem me rightous or not.
1. Morally upright; without guilt or sin: a righteous parishioner. 2. In accordance with virtue or morality: a righteous judgment. 3. Morally justifiable: righteous anger. See Synonyms at moral. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> By the definition of your own religion you cannot fit definition #1 (under christianity all mankind is guilty of sin simply for being). You can't even follow the values you profess to believe, as evidenced by several of your responses in this thread, so you clearly cannot fit definition #2 or #3. Worse yet, you're just a complete asshat. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> why would you care tho? there's no life after death so why would it matter to a guy like you weather you deem me rightous or not. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> You're right AvengerX. There's no life after death so there is no reason to act in certain ways during life.
1. Morally upright; without guilt or sin: a righteous parishioner. 2. In accordance with virtue or morality: a righteous judgment. 3. Morally justifiable: righteous anger. See Synonyms at moral. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> By the definition of your own religion you cannot fit definition #1 (under christianity all mankind is guilty of sin simply for being). You can't even follow the values you profess to believe, as evidenced by several of your responses in this thread, so you clearly cannot fit definition #2 or #3. Worse yet, you're just a complete asshat. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> why would you care tho? there's no life after death so why would it matter to a guy like you weather you deem me rightous or not. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Don't attempt to change the subject, I know that it is the only tactic you know but I'm not going to let you get away with it this time, you admit that you are not righteous?
So... you've got "proof" that you achieved through fasting and prayer... yet you choose not to reveal it to us.
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Also, a word on fasting. Fasting, presumebly, decreases the amount of nutrients you get. It also probably messes with your blood sugar. When people are tired or malnourished, they're probably going to begin to hallucinate and not be in their right state of mind. So, have you ever considered that fasting may just make you hallucinate "revelations"?
1. Morally upright; without guilt or sin: a righteous parishioner. 2. In accordance with virtue or morality: a righteous judgment. 3. Morally justifiable: righteous anger. See Synonyms at moral. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> By the definition of your own religion you cannot fit definition #1 (under christianity all mankind is guilty of sin simply for being). You can't even follow the values you profess to believe, as evidenced by several of your responses in this thread, so you clearly cannot fit definition #2 or #3. Worse yet, you're just a complete asshat. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> why would you care tho? there's no life after death so why would it matter to a guy like you weather you deem me rightous or not. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Don't attempt to change the subject, I know that it is the only tactic you know but I'm not going to let you get away with it this time, you admit that you are not righteous? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> compared to a ethically bankrupt person like you I am
I'll take that as a yes. Which means I've done the impossible: I've made AvengerX admit that he is wrong.
Seriously AvengerX. You are NOT a christian. Not even in the remotest sense of the word. Because deep down you believe that YOU ARE god. If it were otherwise, then you might be willing to admit that you're wrong, or realise that you are indeed not righteous, or at the very least you wouldn't be such an a**.
Thus concludes the portion of the thread where I will respond to anything you post, it is clearly not getting through and a waste of time. I suggest everybody else do the same, then perhaps the thread can return to the topic at hand.
<!--QuoteBegin-Mantrid+Mar 15 2005, 12:20 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mantrid @ Mar 15 2005, 12:20 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> So... you've got "proof" that you achieved through fasting and prayer... yet you choose not to reveal it to us.
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Also, a word on fasting. Fasting, presumebly, decreases the amount of nutrients you get. It also probably messes with your blood sugar. When people are tired or malnourished, they're probably going to begin to hallucinate and not be in their right state of mind. So, have you ever considered that fasting may just make you hallucinate "revelations"? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I fast for 24 hours... thats barely enough time to start to really feel hungry...I'm not talking weeks are starvation here. so I don't think I hallacinate anything
and my reason for not sharing some of my expierences is because they are sacred, not secret, sacred you don't cast out pearls unto the swine, its like that.
1. Morally upright; without guilt or sin: a righteous parishioner. 2. In accordance with virtue or morality: a righteous judgment. 3. Morally justifiable: righteous anger. See Synonyms at moral. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> By the definition of your own religion you cannot fit definition #1 (under christianity all mankind is guilty of sin simply for being). You can't even follow the values you profess to believe, as evidenced by several of your responses in this thread, so you clearly cannot fit definition #2 or #3. Worse yet, you're just a complete asshat. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> why would you care tho? there's no life after death so why would it matter to a guy like you weather you deem me rightous or not. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Don't attempt to change the subject, I know that it is the only tactic you know but I'm not going to let you get away with it this time, you admit that you are not righteous? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> compared to a ethically bankrupt person like you I am <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Has skulkbait ever shared his ethical beliefs, other than the fact that he doesn't believe in God?
<!--QuoteBegin-AvengerX+Mar 15 2005, 12:26 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AvengerX @ Mar 15 2005, 12:26 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Mantrid+Mar 15 2005, 12:20 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mantrid @ Mar 15 2005, 12:20 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> So... you've got "proof" that you achieved through fasting and prayer... yet you choose not to reveal it to us.
...
Also, a word on fasting. Fasting, presumebly, decreases the amount of nutrients you get. It also probably messes with your blood sugar. When people are tired or malnourished, they're probably going to begin to hallucinate and not be in their right state of mind. So, have you ever considered that fasting may just make you hallucinate "revelations"? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I fast for 24 hours... thats barely enough time to start to really feel hungry...I'm not talking weeks are starvation here. so I don't think I hallacinate anything
and my reason for not sharing some of my expierences is because they are sacred, not secret, sacred you don't cast out pearls unto the swine, its like that. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Wouldn't Jesus want you to share those experiences to bring your "truth" to others?
1. Morally upright; without guilt or sin: a righteous parishioner. 2. In accordance with virtue or morality: a righteous judgment. 3. Morally justifiable: righteous anger. See Synonyms at moral. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> By the definition of your own religion you cannot fit definition #1 (under christianity all mankind is guilty of sin simply for being). You can't even follow the values you profess to believe, as evidenced by several of your responses in this thread, so you clearly cannot fit definition #2 or #3. Worse yet, you're just a complete asshat. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> why would you care tho? there's no life after death so why would it matter to a guy like you weather you deem me rightous or not. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Don't attempt to change the subject, I know that it is the only tactic you know but I'm not going to let you get away with it this time, you admit that you are not righteous? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> compared to a ethically bankrupt person like you I am <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Has skulkbait ever shared his ethical beliefs, other than the fact that he doesn't believe in God? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> how can one share what one does not have?
But getting back to topic.. I'll admit that I'm pridefull and have a hard time admitting things when I'm wrong. but I don't think I'm wrong a lot of the times even when others do....
1. Morally upright; without guilt or sin: a righteous parishioner. 2. In accordance with virtue or morality: a righteous judgment. 3. Morally justifiable: righteous anger. See Synonyms at moral. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> By the definition of your own religion you cannot fit definition #1 (under christianity all mankind is guilty of sin simply for being). You can't even follow the values you profess to believe, as evidenced by several of your responses in this thread, so you clearly cannot fit definition #2 or #3. Worse yet, you're just a complete asshat. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> why would you care tho? there's no life after death so why would it matter to a guy like you weather you deem me rightous or not. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Don't attempt to change the subject, I know that it is the only tactic you know but I'm not going to let you get away with it this time, you admit that you are not righteous? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> compared to a ethically bankrupt person like you I am <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Has skulkbait ever shared his ethical beliefs, other than the fact that he doesn't believe in God? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> how can one share what one does not have? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Why do you assume that he has no ethical beliefs if he hasn't shared them?
Comprox is here. I smell a lock. Or, the moderators have said to themselves, "You know, I wonder what would happen if we just let them go."
Well, I feel very alive arguing here.
Back on "topic", AvengerX: Aren't Christians supposed to be humble? You're kind of on your rightous high-horse. And the quotation that implies we're swines isn't helping.
<!--QuoteBegin-Mantrid+Mar 15 2005, 12:30 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mantrid @ Mar 15 2005, 12:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Comprox is here. I smell a lock. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I hope not, theres only one "participant" in the discussion who keeps dragging this offtopic. We've done everything we can, even offering to take up his argument in annother thread if he'll just stop, but he doesn't. Clearly it isn't the thread that is the problem.
<!--QuoteBegin-AvengerX+Mar 15 2005, 12:30 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AvengerX @ Mar 15 2005, 12:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> But getting back to topic.. I'll admit that I'm pridefull and have a hard time admitting things when I'm wrong. but I don't think I'm wrong a lot of the times even when others do....
so about that evoltion <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Good. Are you going to defend some of the points you've made or are you going to raise new points?
By looking at things and patterns of the past, can we predict what kind of evolutionary changes are going to happen in the future? like if we know how climates and habitats affect how creatures evovled... can we guess whats gonna happen next? talking dolphins maybe?
<!--QuoteBegin-AvengerX+Mar 14 2005, 09:35 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AvengerX @ Mar 14 2005, 09:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I have a Question.
By looking at things and patterns of the past, can we predict what kind of evolutionary changes are going to happen in the future? like if we know how climates and habitats affect how creatures evovled... can we guess whats gonna happen next? talking dolphins maybe? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> In order:
<!--QuoteBegin-SkulkBait+Mar 15 2005, 12:32 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SkulkBait @ Mar 15 2005, 12:32 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Mantrid+Mar 15 2005, 12:30 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mantrid @ Mar 15 2005, 12:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Comprox is here. I smell a lock. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I hope not, theres only one "participant" in the discussion who keeps dragging this offtopic. We've done everything we can, even offering to take up his argument in annother thread if he'll just stop, but he doesn't. Clearly it isn't the thread that is the problem. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> it takes two ta tango.
<!--QuoteBegin-AvengerX+Mar 15 2005, 12:35 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AvengerX @ Mar 15 2005, 12:35 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I have a Question.
By looking at things and patterns of the past, can we predict what kind of evolutionary changes are going to happen in the future? like if we know how climates and habitats affect how creatures evovled... can we guess whats gonna happen next? talking dolphins maybe? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> We can't predict. Some mutations depend on gamma rays from outer space. Whether a creature dies or lives depends on a few dozen cells in its body with the possibility of turning cancerous. It's Chaos Theory. Things become exponentially more complex every second.
<!--QuoteBegin-AvengerX+Mar 14 2005, 09:37 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AvengerX @ Mar 14 2005, 09:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> it takes two ta tango. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> It takes one to slap the bejeezus out of another tangoer and then start to do the twist.
<!--QuoteBegin-theclam+Mar 15 2005, 12:39 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (theclam @ Mar 15 2005, 12:39 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-AvengerX+Mar 15 2005, 12:35 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AvengerX @ Mar 15 2005, 12:35 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I have a Question.
By looking at things and patterns of the past, can we predict what kind of evolutionary changes are going to happen in the future? like if we know how climates and habitats affect how creatures evovled... can we guess whats gonna happen next? talking dolphins maybe? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> We can't predict. Some mutations depend on gamma rays from outer space. Whether a creature dies or lives depends on a few dozen cells in its body with the possibility of turning cancerous. It's Chaos Theory. Things become exponentially more complex every second. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> so how can something that out of control magically stay in balance without everything being destroyed? I fail to see the glue that holds this choas together
<!--QuoteBegin-Mantrid+Mar 15 2005, 12:36 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mantrid @ Mar 15 2005, 12:36 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-AvengerX+Mar 14 2005, 09:35 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AvengerX @ Mar 14 2005, 09:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I have a Question.
By looking at things and patterns of the past, can we predict what kind of evolutionary changes are going to happen in the future? like if we know how climates and habitats affect how creatures evovled... can we guess whats gonna happen next? talking dolphins maybe? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> In order:
To a degree. We can get a good idea. No. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Actually, there is evidence that dolphins (and whales) actually do speak. Not a human language of course, but their own language with its own grammer that may actually be even more sophisticated than any known human language.
Edit: @Mantrid: I seem to recall one, looking for a credable source right now.
<!--QuoteBegin-AvengerX+Mar 14 2005, 09:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AvengerX @ Mar 14 2005, 09:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> so how can something that out of control magically stay in balance without everything being destroyed? I fail to see the glue that holds this choas together <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Because its CHAOS! For every creature that can't live and dies off, theres at least one more that can live and doesn't die off.
Randomness goes both ways.
That, and life is one of the few things that doesn't follow the Law of Entropy. Life becomes MORE organized as time passes, in addition to organizing energy.
Edit: And, in the long run, everything will be destroyed. The universe will expand and cool, energy will be too dispersed to use, and even farther down the line, protons will decay into more elementry particles, and the universe will be dark, void, and cold.
SkulkBait: Is there an article I could look at about that dolphin/whale thing? I'm not trying to discredit what you're saying, I'm just curious.
<!--QuoteBegin-SkulkBait+Mar 15 2005, 12:41 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SkulkBait @ Mar 15 2005, 12:41 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Mantrid+Mar 15 2005, 12:36 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mantrid @ Mar 15 2005, 12:36 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-AvengerX+Mar 14 2005, 09:35 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AvengerX @ Mar 14 2005, 09:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I have a Question.
By looking at things and patterns of the past, can we predict what kind of evolutionary changes are going to happen in the future? like if we know how climates and habitats affect how creatures evovled... can we guess whats gonna happen next? talking dolphins maybe? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> In order:
To a degree. We can get a good idea. No. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Actually, there is evidence that dolphins (and whales) actually do speak. Not a human language of course, but their own language with its own grammer that may actually be even more sophisticated than any known human language. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> and yet if dolphins and humans had a war... the dolphins wouldn't stand a chance...
<!--QuoteBegin-AvengerX+Mar 15 2005, 12:40 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AvengerX @ Mar 15 2005, 12:40 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-theclam+Mar 15 2005, 12:39 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (theclam @ Mar 15 2005, 12:39 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-AvengerX+Mar 15 2005, 12:35 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AvengerX @ Mar 15 2005, 12:35 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I have a Question.
By looking at things and patterns of the past, can we predict what kind of evolutionary changes are going to happen in the future? like if we know how climates and habitats affect how creatures evovled... can we guess whats gonna happen next? talking dolphins maybe? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> We can't predict. Some mutations depend on gamma rays from outer space. Whether a creature dies or lives depends on a few dozen cells in its body with the possibility of turning cancerous. It's Chaos Theory. Things become exponentially more complex every second. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> so how can something that out of control magically stay in balance without everything being destroyed? I fail to see the glue that holds this choas together <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Random =/= Out of Control
Evolution tends to be self-balancing. If one species becomes much more numerous than its prey, then it will hunt its prey to extinction. Then it will starve because of a lack of food and go extinct. Then other species will fill the roles that were filled by the the previous two species.
By looking at things and patterns of the past, can we predict what kind of evolutionary changes are going to happen in the future? like if we know how climates and habitats affect how creatures evovled... can we guess whats gonna happen next? talking dolphins maybe? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> In order:
To a degree. We can get a good idea. No. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Actually, there is evidence that dolphins (and whales) actually do speak. Not a human language of course, but their own language with its own grammer that may actually be even more sophisticated than any known human language. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> and yet if dolphins and humans had a war... the dolphins wouldn't stand a chance... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I don't see how this pertains.
<!--QuoteBegin-AvengerX+Mar 14 2005, 09:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AvengerX @ Mar 14 2005, 09:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> and yet if dolphins and humans had a war... the dolphins wouldn't stand a chance... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> WHAT THE **** ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?! WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING?!
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You may be spiritual, but you certainly are one of the least righteous christians I've ever had to deal with. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
correction... you don't HAVE to deal with me, your doing all of this by your own free will nobody put a gun to your head and told you "Skulk bait! plague theese forums with your stupidity!!!" <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
fair enough. You're still not even remotely righteous. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
how so? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think he is referring to the numerous ad hominem attacks that you have made, which is something that isn't very "Christian" of you to do.
adj.
1. Morally upright; without guilt or sin: a righteous parishioner.
2. In accordance with virtue or morality: a righteous judgment.
3. Morally justifiable: righteous anger. See Synonyms at moral.
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By the definition of your own religion you cannot fit definition #1 (under christianity all mankind is guilty of sin simply for being). You can't even follow the values you profess to believe, as evidenced by several of your responses in this thread, so you clearly cannot fit definition #2 or #3. Worse yet, you're just a complete a**hat.
Edit: vulgar word surprisingly not cought by word filter.
adj.
1. Morally upright; without guilt or sin: a righteous parishioner.
2. In accordance with virtue or morality: a righteous judgment.
3. Morally justifiable: righteous anger. See Synonyms at moral.
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By the definition of your own religion you cannot fit definition #1 (under christianity all mankind is guilty of sin simply for being). You can't even follow the values you profess to believe, as evidenced by several of your responses in this thread, so you clearly cannot fit definition #2 or #3. Worse yet, you're just a complete asshat. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
why would you care tho? there's no life after death so why would it matter to a guy like you weather you deem me rightous or not.
adj.
1. Morally upright; without guilt or sin: a righteous parishioner.
2. In accordance with virtue or morality: a righteous judgment.
3. Morally justifiable: righteous anger. See Synonyms at moral.
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By the definition of your own religion you cannot fit definition #1 (under christianity all mankind is guilty of sin simply for being). You can't even follow the values you profess to believe, as evidenced by several of your responses in this thread, so you clearly cannot fit definition #2 or #3. Worse yet, you're just a complete asshat. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
why would you care tho? there's no life after death so why would it matter to a guy like you weather you deem me rightous or not. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
You're right AvengerX. There's no life after death so there is no reason to act in certain ways during life.
adj.
1. Morally upright; without guilt or sin: a righteous parishioner.
2. In accordance with virtue or morality: a righteous judgment.
3. Morally justifiable: righteous anger. See Synonyms at moral.
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By the definition of your own religion you cannot fit definition #1 (under christianity all mankind is guilty of sin simply for being). You can't even follow the values you profess to believe, as evidenced by several of your responses in this thread, so you clearly cannot fit definition #2 or #3. Worse yet, you're just a complete asshat. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
why would you care tho? there's no life after death so why would it matter to a guy like you weather you deem me rightous or not. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Don't attempt to change the subject, I know that it is the only tactic you know but I'm not going to let you get away with it this time, you admit that you are not righteous?
I think they are secretely laughing at this.
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Also, a word on fasting. Fasting, presumebly, decreases the amount of nutrients you get. It also probably messes with your blood sugar. When people are tired or malnourished, they're probably going to begin to hallucinate and not be in their right state of mind. So, have you ever considered that fasting may just make you hallucinate "revelations"?
adj.
1. Morally upright; without guilt or sin: a righteous parishioner.
2. In accordance with virtue or morality: a righteous judgment.
3. Morally justifiable: righteous anger. See Synonyms at moral.
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By the definition of your own religion you cannot fit definition #1 (under christianity all mankind is guilty of sin simply for being). You can't even follow the values you profess to believe, as evidenced by several of your responses in this thread, so you clearly cannot fit definition #2 or #3. Worse yet, you're just a complete asshat. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
why would you care tho? there's no life after death so why would it matter to a guy like you weather you deem me rightous or not. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Don't attempt to change the subject, I know that it is the only tactic you know but I'm not going to let you get away with it this time, you admit that you are not righteous? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
compared to a ethically bankrupt person like you I am
Seriously AvengerX. You are NOT a christian. Not even in the remotest sense of the word. Because deep down you believe that YOU ARE god. If it were otherwise, then you might be willing to admit that you're wrong, or realise that you are indeed not righteous, or at the very least you wouldn't be such an a**.
Thus concludes the portion of the thread where I will respond to anything you post, it is clearly not getting through and a waste of time. I suggest everybody else do the same, then perhaps the thread can return to the topic at hand.
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Also, a word on fasting. Fasting, presumebly, decreases the amount of nutrients you get. It also probably messes with your blood sugar. When people are tired or malnourished, they're probably going to begin to hallucinate and not be in their right state of mind. So, have you ever considered that fasting may just make you hallucinate "revelations"? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I fast for 24 hours... thats barely enough time to start to really feel hungry...I'm not talking weeks are starvation here. so I don't think I hallacinate anything
and my reason for not sharing some of my expierences is because they are sacred, not secret, sacred you don't cast out pearls unto the swine, its like that.
adj.
1. Morally upright; without guilt or sin: a righteous parishioner.
2. In accordance with virtue or morality: a righteous judgment.
3. Morally justifiable: righteous anger. See Synonyms at moral.
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By the definition of your own religion you cannot fit definition #1 (under christianity all mankind is guilty of sin simply for being). You can't even follow the values you profess to believe, as evidenced by several of your responses in this thread, so you clearly cannot fit definition #2 or #3. Worse yet, you're just a complete asshat. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
why would you care tho? there's no life after death so why would it matter to a guy like you weather you deem me rightous or not. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Don't attempt to change the subject, I know that it is the only tactic you know but I'm not going to let you get away with it this time, you admit that you are not righteous? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
compared to a ethically bankrupt person like you I am <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Has skulkbait ever shared his ethical beliefs, other than the fact that he doesn't believe in God?
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Also, a word on fasting. Fasting, presumebly, decreases the amount of nutrients you get. It also probably messes with your blood sugar. When people are tired or malnourished, they're probably going to begin to hallucinate and not be in their right state of mind. So, have you ever considered that fasting may just make you hallucinate "revelations"? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I fast for 24 hours... thats barely enough time to start to really feel hungry...I'm not talking weeks are starvation here. so I don't think I hallacinate anything
and my reason for not sharing some of my expierences is because they are sacred, not secret, sacred you don't cast out pearls unto the swine, its like that. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Wouldn't Jesus want you to share those experiences to bring your "truth" to others?
adj.
1. Morally upright; without guilt or sin: a righteous parishioner.
2. In accordance with virtue or morality: a righteous judgment.
3. Morally justifiable: righteous anger. See Synonyms at moral.
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By the definition of your own religion you cannot fit definition #1 (under christianity all mankind is guilty of sin simply for being). You can't even follow the values you profess to believe, as evidenced by several of your responses in this thread, so you clearly cannot fit definition #2 or #3. Worse yet, you're just a complete asshat. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
why would you care tho? there's no life after death so why would it matter to a guy like you weather you deem me rightous or not. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Don't attempt to change the subject, I know that it is the only tactic you know but I'm not going to let you get away with it this time, you admit that you are not righteous? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
compared to a ethically bankrupt person like you I am <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Has skulkbait ever shared his ethical beliefs, other than the fact that he doesn't believe in God? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
how can one share what one does not have?
so about that evoltion
adj.
1. Morally upright; without guilt or sin: a righteous parishioner.
2. In accordance with virtue or morality: a righteous judgment.
3. Morally justifiable: righteous anger. See Synonyms at moral.
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By the definition of your own religion you cannot fit definition #1 (under christianity all mankind is guilty of sin simply for being). You can't even follow the values you profess to believe, as evidenced by several of your responses in this thread, so you clearly cannot fit definition #2 or #3. Worse yet, you're just a complete asshat. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
why would you care tho? there's no life after death so why would it matter to a guy like you weather you deem me rightous or not. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Don't attempt to change the subject, I know that it is the only tactic you know but I'm not going to let you get away with it this time, you admit that you are not righteous? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
compared to a ethically bankrupt person like you I am <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Has skulkbait ever shared his ethical beliefs, other than the fact that he doesn't believe in God? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
how can one share what one does not have? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Why do you assume that he has no ethical beliefs if he hasn't shared them?
Well, I feel very alive arguing here.
Back on "topic", AvengerX: Aren't Christians supposed to be humble? You're kind of on your rightous high-horse. And the quotation that implies we're swines isn't helping.
I hope not, theres only one "participant" in the discussion who keeps dragging this offtopic. We've done everything we can, even offering to take up his argument in annother thread if he'll just stop, but he doesn't. Clearly it isn't the thread that is the problem.
so about that evoltion <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Good. Are you going to defend some of the points you've made or are you going to raise new points?
By looking at things and patterns of the past, can we predict what kind of evolutionary changes are going to happen in the future? like if we know how climates and habitats affect how creatures evovled... can we guess whats gonna happen next? talking dolphins maybe?
By looking at things and patterns of the past, can we predict what kind of evolutionary changes are going to happen in the future? like if we know how climates and habitats affect how creatures evovled... can we guess whats gonna happen next? talking dolphins maybe? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
In order:
To a degree. We can get a good idea. No.
I hope not, theres only one "participant" in the discussion who keeps dragging this offtopic. We've done everything we can, even offering to take up his argument in annother thread if he'll just stop, but he doesn't. Clearly it isn't the thread that is the problem. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
it takes two ta tango.
By looking at things and patterns of the past, can we predict what kind of evolutionary changes are going to happen in the future? like if we know how climates and habitats affect how creatures evovled... can we guess whats gonna happen next? talking dolphins maybe? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
We can't predict. Some mutations depend on gamma rays from outer space. Whether a creature dies or lives depends on a few dozen cells in its body with the possibility of turning cancerous. It's Chaos Theory. Things become exponentially more complex every second.
It takes one to slap the bejeezus out of another tangoer and then start to do the twist.
By looking at things and patterns of the past, can we predict what kind of evolutionary changes are going to happen in the future? like if we know how climates and habitats affect how creatures evovled... can we guess whats gonna happen next? talking dolphins maybe? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
We can't predict. Some mutations depend on gamma rays from outer space. Whether a creature dies or lives depends on a few dozen cells in its body with the possibility of turning cancerous. It's Chaos Theory. Things become exponentially more complex every second. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
so how can something that out of control magically stay in balance without everything being destroyed? I fail to see the glue that holds this choas together
By looking at things and patterns of the past, can we predict what kind of evolutionary changes are going to happen in the future? like if we know how climates and habitats affect how creatures evovled... can we guess whats gonna happen next? talking dolphins maybe? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
In order:
To a degree. We can get a good idea. No. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Actually, there is evidence that dolphins (and whales) actually do speak. Not a human language of course, but their own language with its own grammer that may actually be even more sophisticated than any known human language.
Edit: @Mantrid: I seem to recall one, looking for a credable source right now.
Because its CHAOS! For every creature that can't live and dies off, theres at least one more that can live and doesn't die off.
Randomness goes both ways.
That, and life is one of the few things that doesn't follow the Law of Entropy. Life becomes MORE organized as time passes, in addition to organizing energy.
Edit: And, in the long run, everything will be destroyed. The universe will expand and cool, energy will be too dispersed to use, and even farther down the line, protons will decay into more elementry particles, and the universe will be dark, void, and cold.
SkulkBait: Is there an article I could look at about that dolphin/whale thing? I'm not trying to discredit what you're saying, I'm just curious.
By looking at things and patterns of the past, can we predict what kind of evolutionary changes are going to happen in the future? like if we know how climates and habitats affect how creatures evovled... can we guess whats gonna happen next? talking dolphins maybe? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
In order:
To a degree. We can get a good idea. No. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Actually, there is evidence that dolphins (and whales) actually do speak. Not a human language of course, but their own language with its own grammer that may actually be even more sophisticated than any known human language. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
and yet if dolphins and humans had a war... the dolphins wouldn't stand a chance...
By looking at things and patterns of the past, can we predict what kind of evolutionary changes are going to happen in the future? like if we know how climates and habitats affect how creatures evovled... can we guess whats gonna happen next? talking dolphins maybe? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
We can't predict. Some mutations depend on gamma rays from outer space. Whether a creature dies or lives depends on a few dozen cells in its body with the possibility of turning cancerous. It's Chaos Theory. Things become exponentially more complex every second. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
so how can something that out of control magically stay in balance without everything being destroyed? I fail to see the glue that holds this choas together <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Random =/= Out of Control
Evolution tends to be self-balancing. If one species becomes much more numerous than its prey, then it will hunt its prey to extinction. Then it will starve because of a lack of food and go extinct. Then other species will fill the roles that were filled by the the previous two species.
By looking at things and patterns of the past, can we predict what kind of evolutionary changes are going to happen in the future? like if we know how climates and habitats affect how creatures evovled... can we guess whats gonna happen next? talking dolphins maybe? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
In order:
To a degree. We can get a good idea. No. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Actually, there is evidence that dolphins (and whales) actually do speak. Not a human language of course, but their own language with its own grammer that may actually be even more sophisticated than any known human language. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
and yet if dolphins and humans had a war... the dolphins wouldn't stand a chance... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I don't see how this pertains.
WHAT THE **** ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?! WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING?!