When there's competition involved, there is going to be general angst on both sides due to the nature of competition. People will whine when they die, and they will treat you like crap either because they are trying to be funny or because they are threatened by you for whatever reason.
You can't get involved with the competitive community with the expectations that everyone will dance around you while throwing flowers in your direction. Just like you can't expect to get a job in the real world and get all the credit you deserve, or play a sport and think there won't be fighting.
But as I've seen it, the top teams and players of CAL are generally those who don't go out of their way to make the less experienced feel stupid. It's those who aren't that good who generally go out of their way to try to make themselves look superior.
So if anybody reads this, learn to deal with criticism. Don't take every insult personally, but rather be able to shrug it off and preferably come back with something a little more inventive.
<!--QuoteBegin-funbags+Jan 17 2005, 06:20 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (funbags @ Jan 17 2005, 06:20 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Some of you guys are just....elitists. A lot of you people think you're too good for us little pubbers, and are complete **** to everybody. It really bothers me how you guys are so good, yet some of the most frustrating **** I've ever played a game with. Now, I recently got into CAL-NS (Very recent, infact.) I haven't even played a match yet, but I'm up for the next match of our clan (From the Ashes). I'm excited, and its a lot of fun. For my first non public game, we scrimmed SuX. It was so much fun. Finally, I spent the game trying to reach an objective instead of herding my team into thinking that the objective was important enough to try for. SuX is a great bunch of guys, I know most of them well, and FTA is the most fun group of people I've played with (That is why I accepted their invitation, even though I was strongly Anti-CAL) I realised it wasn't CAL I should be **** with, it was Elitists.
I. Hate. Elitists. To name some names here, Xen` shoe. That guy needs some attitude adjusting medications (Maybe some morphine? Whatever to get him off of his high horse, and calm down.)
I ask simple questions of curiousity, and he rains down on me with all of this attitude. For example:
There is that wiggle walk script floating around, I know now what it is because someone who doesn't think anybody but their clan is a noob informed me.(Thank you, Swift Idiot.) I simply asked him "Hey shoe, how do you walk faster than the rest of us?" He replied: "Speedhacks, nub". It's small things like that that bother me about some of you elitists.
I don't know where I am going with this, I just think I needed to get my thoughts out to the CAL community before I started playing in matches, and maybe some of you will start thinking: "Hey, we all start out as pubbers. And you know what? NS would be nowhere without pubs."
*sigh*
edit: Thought I should just pre-clear some things up:
Do not take this as a blatent rant of hate against CAL or its players. What it is, however, is a statement that Elitists are ****.
Mods, delete this thread if you think it will start a flame war. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Can you do us a favor and leave the personal attacks for the Ampednews forums? By placing them here you aren't making the relations with the dev teams better and are confirming their generalizations of the competitive players.
<!--QuoteBegin-Zunni+Jan 17 2005, 04:42 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zunni @ Jan 17 2005, 04:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'm confused, he asks an innocent question (trying to better educate himself about NS(which according to most clanners, they wish pubbers would do)), gets berated, comes on here to see if anyone has anything constructive to say and what he gets in return is "Get lost??" or.. "You should have asked him again"??? Or even better, deflection back to this mystical "pubber" who insulted a clanner as an excuse??
How about someone simply say that the player in question acted poorly, and perhaps provide a link to said script??
You talk a good game about wanting to help further NS, and this is just another example of you (as a group) failing to come through..
Am I the only one puzzled by this?? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Sometimes people joke around and add the word "nub" or do not answer the question directly. There is nothing wrong with it. If the person were to ask the question again and understand that a lot of competitive players get asked questions with implications of cheats, i.e. "how does he go faster, he may be cheating".
I've been asked several sarcastic questions from the public community. Any answer I have given, whether productive, or a joke, usually resulted in a heated arguement of whether its cheating or not, and either the admin his or herself bans me because the arguement is with that person, or the player complains to an admin and he or she bans me a few days later.
Shoe did nothing wrong, people on the internet need to take things with a grain of salt.
On a somewhat related note: today I was asked by a guy on a public server to help him with his net settings, so I said sure come to IRC. Well, after talking a while with the guy he asks me, since I use "stopsound" and other fade-cheat scripts, did I also use white walls?
About half the times when I decide to help someone out, I get a jerk on my hand, or someone who asks me if I cheat or how to cheat etc. It's awful, and it's probably why alot of people start handing out sarcasm as soon as they're spoken to on a public server.
<!--QuoteBegin-Firewater+Jan 18 2005, 06:01 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Firewater @ Jan 18 2005, 06:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Zunni+Jan 17 2005, 04:42 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zunni @ Jan 17 2005, 04:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'm confused, he asks an innocent question (trying to better educate himself about NS(which according to most clanners, they wish pubbers would do)), gets berated, comes on here to see if anyone has anything constructive to say and what he gets in return is "Get lost??" or.. "You should have asked him again"??? Or even better, deflection back to this mystical "pubber" who insulted a clanner as an excuse??
How about someone simply say that the player in question acted poorly, and perhaps provide a link to said script??
You talk a good game about wanting to help further NS, and this is just another example of you (as a group) failing to come through..
Am I the only one puzzled by this?? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Sometimes people joke around and add the word "nub" or do not answer the question directly. There is nothing wrong with it. If the person were to ask the question again and understand that a lot of competitive players get asked questions with implications of cheats, i.e. "how does he go faster, he may be cheating".
I've been asked several sarcastic questions from the public community. Any answer I have given, whether productive, or a joke, usually resulted in a heated arguement of whether its cheating or not, and either the admin his or herself bans me because the arguement is with that person, or the player complains to an admin and he or she bans me a few days later.
Shoe did nothing wrong, people on the internet need to take things with a grain of salt. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> *sigh*
Like I've said a few times, that is one example. shoe is an **** to everybody on Lone Peak all the time. Beleive me, I try to take things with a grain of salt. I would need a lump of salt to take the things he says or the things he does to not be frustrated.
QuaunautThe longest seven days in history...Join Date: 2003-03-21Member: 14759Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
I've been in the clan community a long time(but not consistent), and back when I first started in 1.04, I really didn't understand the way people acted in clans. Lots of sarcasm is used- but generally, they mean no harm by it. Eventually you end up liking their form of sarcasm, and like me, pick it up. Some do, some don't. Some clanners are elitest, but if anything, I'd have to say there are easily more pubbers than clanners that are elitist.
<!--QuoteBegin-funbags+Jan 18 2005, 06:04 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (funbags @ Jan 18 2005, 06:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Like I've said a few times, that is one example. shoe is an **** to everybody on Lone Peak all the time. Beleive me, I try to take things with a grain of salt. I would need a lump of salt to take the things he says or the things he does to not be frustrated. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Then you need to take things less seriously. Its not worth your time to get 'frustrated' over what someone says in a video game.
You're here complaining about one individual. I have never seen a post on the ns forums complaining about someone on a server that hasn't been locked immediately. I'm not sure what Zunni sees constructive about your original post, but this thread has established little other than the fact that some people aren't polite and courteous.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Like I've said a few times, that is one example. shoe is an **** to everybody on Lone Peak all the time. Beleive me, I try to take things with a grain of salt. I would need a lump of salt to take the things he says or the things he does to not be frustrated.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Special K+Jan 18 2005, 08:48 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Special K @ Jan 18 2005, 08:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-funbags+Jan 18 2005, 06:04 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (funbags @ Jan 18 2005, 06:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Like I've said a few times, that is one example. shoe is an **** to everybody on Lone Peak all the time. Beleive me, I try to take things with a grain of salt. I would need a lump of salt to take the things he says or the things he does to not be frustrated. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Then you need to take things less seriously. Its not worth your time to get 'frustrated' over what someone says in a video game.
You're here complaining about one individual. I have never seen a post on the ns forums complaining about someone on a server that hasn't been locked immediately. I'm not sure what Zunni sees constructive about your original post, but this thread has established little other than the fact that some people aren't polite and courteous.
In conclusion, the mute function still works. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I used shoe as an example. This thread is NOT about shoe. It is about some people's attitudes. Shoe happens to come to mind, however.
When you join a server and 1/4 the server thinks you hack, and they spec you and say something like "yeah definitely a hacker **** hacker leave" repeat 10x, you'll have the same attitude too :/ .
<!--QuoteBegin-funbags+Jan 18 2005, 07:04 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (funbags @ Jan 18 2005, 07:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Firewater+Jan 18 2005, 06:01 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Firewater @ Jan 18 2005, 06:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Zunni+Jan 17 2005, 04:42 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zunni @ Jan 17 2005, 04:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'm confused, he asks an innocent question (trying to better educate himself about NS(which according to most clanners, they wish pubbers would do)), gets berated, comes on here to see if anyone has anything constructive to say and what he gets in return is "Get lost??" or.. "You should have asked him again"??? Or even better, deflection back to this mystical "pubber" who insulted a clanner as an excuse??
How about someone simply say that the player in question acted poorly, and perhaps provide a link to said script??
You talk a good game about wanting to help further NS, and this is just another example of you (as a group) failing to come through..
Am I the only one puzzled by this?? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Sometimes people joke around and add the word "nub" or do not answer the question directly. There is nothing wrong with it. If the person were to ask the question again and understand that a lot of competitive players get asked questions with implications of cheats, i.e. "how does he go faster, he may be cheating".
I've been asked several sarcastic questions from the public community. Any answer I have given, whether productive, or a joke, usually resulted in a heated arguement of whether its cheating or not, and either the admin his or herself bans me because the arguement is with that person, or the player complains to an admin and he or she bans me a few days later.
Shoe did nothing wrong, people on the internet need to take things with a grain of salt. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> *sigh*
Like I've said a few times, that is one example. shoe is an **** to everybody on Lone Peak all the time. Beleive me, I try to take things with a grain of salt. I would need a lump of salt to take the things he says or the things he does to not be frustrated. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> If you honestly let someone in this community get the best of you because he said the word "nub", then I strongly recommend you for therapy. That is absolutely absurd.
Also if he is such an **** as you said he is, why ask the question? The smart thing to do would be to say nothing.
funbags, I want you to ask the people in your clan how many times I've helped them improve their game. I want you to ask them, then maybe you wouldn't think of me as such an **** or w/e
<!--QuoteBegin-funbags+Jan 19 2005, 01:25 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (funbags @ Jan 19 2005, 01:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> PLEASE, I was just using him as an EXAMPLE. It's not just him, It's a lot of people. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> yes, but the fact that you even let that bother you proves that you take things way too seriously...
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I ask simple questions of curiousity, and he rains down on me with all of this attitude. For example:
There is that wiggle walk script floating around, I know now what it is because someone who doesn't think anybody but their clan is a noob informed me.(Thank you, Swift Idiot.) I simply asked him "Hey shoe, how do you walk faster than the rest of us?" He replied: "Speedhacks, nub". <i>It's small things like that that bother me about some of you elitists.</i><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-shoester+Jan 19 2005, 06:09 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (shoester @ Jan 19 2005, 06:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> funbags, I want you to ask the people in your clan how many times I've helped them improve their game. I want you to ask them, then maybe you wouldn't think of me as such an **** or w/e
k <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Just asked them, I'll edit this post with replies.
If you have a problem with a certain player on a public server, then do something about it. ie. server admins.. All you're acomplishing with this is making yourself look like a whiney brat. Tell someone who cares, cause as far as i'am concerned you're just as much of a **** as you make out these "ellitist" to be.
That's rediculous photek. This had nothing to do with specific players at all. Ya a **** load of pubbers are jerks who call hacker or scripter at anyone good but as you can see from this thread clanners have their problems to.
Clanners get way more **** from pubbers than pubbers get from clanners. The difference is we just blow your face off instead of complaining on the forums.
well, everytime i've played with shoe.. he'll mostly just load up at the armory then go spawncamp the hive. He never "seems" to help build rt's/structures.. or contribute to the "teamplay" part. He has helped me on the game and i thank him for doing so, but it would also be appreciated if he showed that teamwork in pubs as he does in clan matches. If you want to practice shooting up skulks, then play CO. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
p.s. im not talking smack, i'm just posting speculation from what 'I'VE' seen <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-xtremecore+Jan 21 2005, 09:21 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (xtremecore @ Jan 21 2005, 09:21 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> well, everytime i've played with shoe.. he'll mostly just load up at the armory then go spawncamp the hive. He never "seems" to help build rt's/structures.. or contribute to the "teamplay" part. He has helped me on the game and i thank him for doing so, but it would also be appreciated if he showed that teamwork in pubs as he does in clan matches. If you want to practice shooting up skulks, then play CO. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
p.s. im not talking smack, i'm just posting speculation from what 'I'VE' seen <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Smart commanders will always have people who have better aim go engage skulks in squirmishes and have the ones with lesser aiming abilities cap nodes and what not. That's also true in competitive play, we usually send our two best marines out at start to rush to some part of the map, while the three remain at base to build it then start capping res.
Having a good marine standing around building is a waste of his time and skill to the team. Having him go murder skulks, hold important points on the map or kill skulks at their hive is a MUCH better thing to do for the team. It causes the alien to go on the defensive, defending their hive or nodes. This in turn lets your marines have more freedom on the map, which means more res nodes, which means faster tech advancement, which means you win at the end.
I have no real problems with clanners, because they dont come to the community I stay in <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
But seriously people, get a hold of yourselfs. As being a "sideliner viewer" on this constant "war" going on between the 2 sides Im going to come in and post what everyone on the sidelines see in this.
Instead of whining, and bashing, and being drama queens why can't you all just grow the **** up and learn to play as fellow community members in a game? not, "im better than you, SUYF noob" or "omg u scripter ur a newb. die"
The community isnt (thankfully) split into 2 between clanners and pubbers. Its only the few that are recognized that give each side a bad name. Im actually quite dissapointed. you all should be ashamed of yourselfs.
*and bashing me for speaking the truth in a mature manner will only prove my point even more, so save yourself the energy of replying to this in a flameful way
Funbags and ^zunni^, i got that sense when i joined cal a season ago too. You have to realize its just the competitive atmosphere. The entire scene revolves around competition that decides who is better than who. Thats the whole point of CAL-NS is to be better than everyone else and stuggle to do so.
You have to break away from the actual competition of the game and talk to people outside it, like on Irc, or maybe after scrims or whatever before you're talking to anybody outside a huge ns dickwaving contest.
After that if people are ****, so what... Find other people. Even a few clanners can't handle other clanners, check out the CAL-NS forums if you wanna see some true immaturity.
oh and also, i'd give you a link to the script, but i don't have one, nor do i actually know how to write or use the script in question. Take it easy, I'm looking forward to our future match with you guys.
EDIT: my point is that there are a lot of cool clans and guys out there. You just don't hear about them cause they don't participate in the drama. WnF, Obs, CnS, LoC, 2iD are all clans with a bunch of cool guys, just to START naming a few.
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fanaticThis post has been edited.Join Date: 2003-07-23Member: 18377Members, Constellation, Squad Five Blue
edited January 2005
Here's some small insight into what we "clan players" have to endure.
It goes like this (and trust me, this isn't exactly something that's only happened once; more like once a week, at least): I join some random public server (not going to mention any names here, but just as a reference I used to have a lot of good games on this server in 2.01, don't know if that means people have gotten more paranoid), and instantly have no problems racking up a decent amount of kills, due to the general lack of aim on the marine players.
Suddenly someone on the marine team types out "kick anaF, he's obviously cheating!" (I think I had 18-0 or something equally disturbing at the time), to which I reply that I don't, and ask if he recognizes my nickname backwards (anaF, Fana). To no-ones surprise he doesn't, and motions for the admin on the server to ban me. At this point, several of the other players on the marine team do the same, as there's no way that can be skill. The game ends, and there's a mapchange, upon which I join marines.
After doing pretty much what I did the first round, only as marine this time, and starting a spawncamp after around 4 minutes into the game, the same player starts motioning for a ban again, and even more of the other players agree with him, because I'm obviously cheating. At this point I know that whatever I reply with is going to just further fuel their aggression, so I remain quiet while the admin drops out of the game and starts spectating.
While this happens, the players on the alien team (their anger fueled by the admin not banning me for my obvious cheating, I guess...) start abusing me by throwing out seemingly randomly selected insults. I've gotten pretty used to this, however, so I have no problems ignoring it. The game ends as the entire marine team shoot down the hive with LMGs, and I join marine again when the round restarts.
At this point the admin tried to calm the angry mob of pub players by telling them he was recording demos, and gathering evidence. Apparently this didn't help, as a bunch of the clanned (although it was obvious they'd never played anything but public ns, and that the tag was just to tell everyone they know each other) players told the admin they weren't enjoying the game, and left, and most of the other players followed. At the start of the new round, there were now six players on the server, of which two were spectating. Needless to say, I decided to quit and try to find somewhere else to play.
If you haven't gotten the morale of the story yet: Stupid public players can be just as much of a pain in the **** as clanned idiots, <i>and there might even be a reason for so many clanned players being arrogant toward public players.</i>
But I love jeenyus <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> Chillout clan people. Be as the SquishyOne treat pubbers with love and then..... well its just so much more fun to kill people and be nice.
Anyone who is good few of us as there are left knows and has dealt with pubbers being ignorant and **** for a long time. You should be able to just ignore them by now. Fana's story is a good one he did the right thing. Though when I pub I tend to talk constantly it makes people like me more(or mute me) and then I give suggestions and poof I'm not some hacker just a rare nice vet .
Anyways just be nice cause right now both sides have their trouble people <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
The only people it is appropriate to be bitter at are the devs and their advisors who caused this problem in the first place and only fuel it as time goes on while making bad decisions about gameplay. errrr I mean be nice.
I can understand why the pubbing community sometimes hates the clanners. And at times why clanners hate pubbers. Such as yesterday while playing a certain clanner who shalt remain unknown was constantly harrassing other players. Whether they be new and accidently get in his way. He would curse at them like no other. I felt bad for the guy because he was getting a lot of crap just because hes basically new to the game and you have some clanner yelling and cursing all sorts of things.
At times like this its ashame that people like him are even allowed to speak to others like that. I hurts to know that a few more random pubbers are just going to hate us more now. Although maybe they won't because they know that there are a few good men out there still.
I'll throw my hands and say that at times... <u>I am an angry clanner</u>.
However this totally depends on my mood on the day.
Scenario 1: If I join a server and I'm happy as ever and someone builds SC first on a hive I could be. "Ok. Who built SC first without asking." (And its always without asking, I'm always one for MC/SC first, with general team consensus) And maybe the player will own up and that will be fine and I'll tell them to build 3 so we can get full upgrades and lets get that 2nd Hive for MC.. yada yada etc. Everyone dies happy.
Scenario 2: Now take above situation up to the point where I ask who did it. And no one responds.. Now that ticks me off. Especially if it ends up being a vet player who tries to hide the fact they are the ones who did it (believe me I've done it and have always apologised). < That makes me angry.
Scenario 3: So I'm in a bad mood and I don't want anything to ruin it, so quite often (not always though) I will join the alien team and the first thing I will say to my team will be. "ok. What do we want DC/MC/SC first? Who will get the 2nd hive? Who will be our fade?" (binded for that one purpose) Now if someone goes ahead and builds an SC after that without talking that will just seriously just peeve me.. mainly because <b>I asked</b> the whole team first what we wanted. Now anybody with the minimalist of observation skills should realise that DCs MCs SCs relate the first letter of upgrades. (And lets face it, if a new player can gorge and then know that you can build an upgrade chamber without reading a manual then they should be able to figure that one out, BUT if a VET does that.. well if it was my server it would be banned and amx_configwipe for you.)
So there ya go.. Angry player here (And I'm not elitist... Just angry)
i see nothing wrong with clanners, i actually look up to the more skilled players, i spec them to watch their technique/etc.. and building an rt takes minimal seconds of time. you can pressure the hive anytime. plus, with two or three marines, you can build twice as fast! i dont see why someone must be so eager to go pressure that hive right when spawning. It seems to be more about a kill ratio thing than to "help" your team ;x how do the aliens defend base when they are being killed upon spawn. where's the fun? you get all the res nodes then seige the last hive for a 3 - 5 minute game. now that's action packed.
<!--QuoteBegin-xtremecore+Jan 21 2005, 10:06 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (xtremecore @ Jan 21 2005, 10:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> i see nothing wrong with clanners, i actually look up to the more skilled players, i spec them to watch their technique/etc.. and building an rt takes minimal seconds of time. you can pressure the hive anytime. plus, with two or three marines, you can build twice as fast! i dont see why someone must be so eager to go pressure that hive right when spawning. It seems to be more about a kill ratio thing than to "help" your team ;x how do the aliens defend base when they are being killed upon spawn. where's the fun? you get all the res nodes then seige the last hive for a 3 - 5 minute game. now that's action packed. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Keeping 3-4 skulks dead for a few min is QUITE valuable
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You can't get involved with the competitive community with the expectations that everyone will dance around you while throwing flowers in your direction. Just like you can't expect to get a job in the real world and get all the credit you deserve, or play a sport and think there won't be fighting.
But as I've seen it, the top teams and players of CAL are generally those who don't go out of their way to make the less experienced feel stupid. It's those who aren't that good who generally go out of their way to try to make themselves look superior.
So if anybody reads this, learn to deal with criticism. Don't take every insult personally, but rather be able to shrug it off and preferably come back with something a little more inventive.
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In re: OP, you know, whatevs. I can't imagine caring enough about it to compose an angry! post! here, but diffrent strokes I guess.
I realised it wasn't CAL I should be **** with, it was Elitists.
I. Hate. Elitists. To name some names here, Xen` shoe. That guy needs some attitude adjusting medications (Maybe some morphine? Whatever to get him off of his high horse, and calm down.)
I ask simple questions of curiousity, and he rains down on me with all of this attitude. For example:
There is that wiggle walk script floating around, I know now what it is because someone who doesn't think anybody but their clan is a noob informed me.(Thank you, Swift Idiot.) I simply asked him "Hey shoe, how do you walk faster than the rest of us?" He replied: "Speedhacks, nub". It's small things like that that bother me about some of you elitists.
I don't know where I am going with this, I just think I needed to get my thoughts out to the CAL community before I started playing in matches, and maybe some of you will start thinking: "Hey, we all start out as pubbers. And you know what? NS would be nowhere without pubs."
*sigh*
edit: Thought I should just pre-clear some things up:
Do not take this as a blatent rant of hate against CAL or its players. What it is, however, is a statement that Elitists are ****.
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Can you do us a favor and leave the personal attacks for the Ampednews forums? By placing them here you aren't making the relations with the dev teams better and are confirming their generalizations of the competitive players.
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How about someone simply say that the player in question acted poorly, and perhaps provide a link to said script??
You talk a good game about wanting to help further NS, and this is just another example of you (as a group) failing to come through..
Am I the only one puzzled by this?? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Sometimes people joke around and add the word "nub" or do not answer the question directly. There is nothing wrong with it. If the person were to ask the question again and understand that a lot of competitive players get asked questions with implications of cheats, i.e. "how does he go faster, he may be cheating".
I've been asked several sarcastic questions from the public community. Any answer I have given, whether productive, or a joke, usually resulted in a heated arguement of whether its cheating or not, and either the admin his or herself bans me because the arguement is with that person, or the player complains to an admin and he or she bans me a few days later.
Shoe did nothing wrong, people on the internet need to take things with a grain of salt.
About half the times when I decide to help someone out, I get a jerk on my hand, or someone who asks me if I cheat or how to cheat etc. It's awful, and it's probably why alot of people start handing out sarcasm as soon as they're spoken to on a public server.
How about someone simply say that the player in question acted poorly, and perhaps provide a link to said script??
You talk a good game about wanting to help further NS, and this is just another example of you (as a group) failing to come through..
Am I the only one puzzled by this?? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Sometimes people joke around and add the word "nub" or do not answer the question directly. There is nothing wrong with it. If the person were to ask the question again and understand that a lot of competitive players get asked questions with implications of cheats, i.e. "how does he go faster, he may be cheating".
I've been asked several sarcastic questions from the public community. Any answer I have given, whether productive, or a joke, usually resulted in a heated arguement of whether its cheating or not, and either the admin his or herself bans me because the arguement is with that person, or the player complains to an admin and he or she bans me a few days later.
Shoe did nothing wrong, people on the internet need to take things with a grain of salt. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
*sigh*
Like I've said a few times, that is one example. shoe is an **** to everybody on Lone Peak all the time. Beleive me, I try to take things with a grain of salt. I would need a lump of salt to take the things he says or the things he does to not be frustrated.
Then you need to take things less seriously. Its not worth your time to get 'frustrated' over what someone says in a video game.
You're here complaining about one individual. I have never seen a post on the ns forums complaining about someone on a server that hasn't been locked immediately. I'm not sure what Zunni sees constructive about your original post, but this thread has established little other than the fact that some people aren't polite and courteous.
In conclusion, the mute function still works.
I don't talk on pubs.... hud_saytext 0
Then you need to take things less seriously. Its not worth your time to get 'frustrated' over what someone says in a video game.
You're here complaining about one individual. I have never seen a post on the ns forums complaining about someone on a server that hasn't been locked immediately. I'm not sure what Zunni sees constructive about your original post, but this thread has established little other than the fact that some people aren't polite and courteous.
In conclusion, the mute function still works. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I used shoe as an example. This thread is NOT about shoe. It is about some people's attitudes. Shoe happens to come to mind, however.
How about someone simply say that the player in question acted poorly, and perhaps provide a link to said script??
You talk a good game about wanting to help further NS, and this is just another example of you (as a group) failing to come through..
Am I the only one puzzled by this?? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Sometimes people joke around and add the word "nub" or do not answer the question directly. There is nothing wrong with it. If the person were to ask the question again and understand that a lot of competitive players get asked questions with implications of cheats, i.e. "how does he go faster, he may be cheating".
I've been asked several sarcastic questions from the public community. Any answer I have given, whether productive, or a joke, usually resulted in a heated arguement of whether its cheating or not, and either the admin his or herself bans me because the arguement is with that person, or the player complains to an admin and he or she bans me a few days later.
Shoe did nothing wrong, people on the internet need to take things with a grain of salt. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
*sigh*
Like I've said a few times, that is one example. shoe is an **** to everybody on Lone Peak all the time. Beleive me, I try to take things with a grain of salt. I would need a lump of salt to take the things he says or the things he does to not be frustrated. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
If you honestly let someone in this community get the best of you because he said the word "nub", then I strongly recommend you for therapy. That is absolutely absurd.
Also if he is such an **** as you said he is, why ask the question? The smart thing to do would be to say nothing.
Sigh... Indeed.
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yes, but the fact that you even let that bother you proves that you take things way too seriously...
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There is that wiggle walk script floating around, I know now what it is because someone who doesn't think anybody but their clan is a noob informed me.(Thank you, Swift Idiot.) I simply asked him "Hey shoe, how do you walk faster than the rest of us?" He replied: "Speedhacks, nub". <i>It's small things like that that bother me about some of you elitists.</i><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
2 words, man. chill
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Just asked them, I'll edit this post with replies.
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p.s. im not talking smack, i'm just posting speculation from what 'I'VE' seen <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
p.s. im not talking smack, i'm just posting speculation from what 'I'VE' seen <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Smart commanders will always have people who have better aim go engage skulks in squirmishes and have the ones with lesser aiming abilities cap nodes and what not. That's also true in competitive play, we usually send our two best marines out at start to rush to some part of the map, while the three remain at base to build it then start capping res.
Having a good marine standing around building is a waste of his time and skill to the team. Having him go murder skulks, hold important points on the map or kill skulks at their hive is a MUCH better thing to do for the team. It causes the alien to go on the defensive, defending their hive or nodes. This in turn lets your marines have more freedom on the map, which means more res nodes, which means faster tech advancement, which means you win at the end.
But seriously people, get a hold of yourselfs. As being a "sideliner viewer" on this constant "war" going on between the 2 sides Im going to come in and post what everyone on the sidelines see in this.
Instead of whining, and bashing, and being drama queens why can't you all just grow the **** up and learn to play as fellow community members in a game? not, "im better than you, SUYF noob" or "omg u scripter ur a newb. die"
The community isnt (thankfully) split into 2 between clanners and pubbers. Its only the few that are recognized that give each side a bad name. Im actually quite dissapointed. you all should be ashamed of yourselfs.
*and bashing me for speaking the truth in a mature manner will only prove my point even more, so save yourself the energy of replying to this in a flameful way
You have to break away from the actual competition of the game and talk to people outside it, like on Irc, or maybe after scrims or whatever before you're talking to anybody outside a huge ns dickwaving contest.
After that if people are ****, so what... Find other people. Even a few clanners can't handle other clanners, check out the CAL-NS forums if you wanna see some true immaturity.
oh and also, i'd give you a link to the script, but i don't have one, nor do i actually know how to write or use the script in question. Take it easy, I'm looking forward to our future match with you guys.
EDIT: my point is that there are a lot of cool clans and guys out there. You just don't hear about them cause they don't participate in the drama. WnF, Obs, CnS, LoC, 2iD are all clans with a bunch of cool guys, just to START naming a few.
alias +strafed "alias _special strafed;strafedspecial"
alias -strafed "alias _special strafedstop"
alias strafed "+moveright;-moveleft;wait;+moveleft;-moveright;wait;strafedspecial"
alias strafedspecial "+attack2;-attack2"
alias strafedstop "-moveleft"
bind <key> "+strafed"
It goes like this (and trust me, this isn't exactly something that's only happened once; more like once a week, at least): I join some random public server (not going to mention any names here, but just as a reference I used to have a lot of good games on this server in 2.01, don't know if that means people have gotten more paranoid), and instantly have no problems racking up a decent amount of kills, due to the general lack of aim on the marine players.
Suddenly someone on the marine team types out "kick anaF, he's obviously cheating!" (I think I had 18-0 or something equally disturbing at the time), to which I reply that I don't, and ask if he recognizes my nickname backwards (anaF, Fana). To no-ones surprise he doesn't, and motions for the admin on the server to ban me. At this point, several of the other players on the marine team do the same, as there's no way that can be skill. The game ends, and there's a mapchange, upon which I join marines.
After doing pretty much what I did the first round, only as marine this time, and starting a spawncamp after around 4 minutes into the game, the same player starts motioning for a ban again, and even more of the other players agree with him, because I'm obviously cheating. At this point I know that whatever I reply with is going to just further fuel their aggression, so I remain quiet while the admin drops out of the game and starts spectating.
While this happens, the players on the alien team (their anger fueled by the admin not banning me for my obvious cheating, I guess...) start abusing me by throwing out seemingly randomly selected insults. I've gotten pretty used to this, however, so I have no problems ignoring it. The game ends as the entire marine team shoot down the hive with LMGs, and I join marine again when the round restarts.
At this point the admin tried to calm the angry mob of pub players by telling them he was recording demos, and gathering evidence. Apparently this didn't help, as a bunch of the clanned (although it was obvious they'd never played anything but public ns, and that the tag was just to tell everyone they know each other) players told the admin they weren't enjoying the game, and left, and most of the other players followed. At the start of the new round, there were now six players on the server, of which two were spectating. Needless to say, I decided to quit and try to find somewhere else to play.
If you haven't gotten the morale of the story yet: Stupid public players can be just as much of a pain in the **** as clanned idiots, <i>and there might even be a reason for so many clanned players being arrogant toward public players.</i>
Anyone who is good few of us as there are left knows and has dealt with pubbers being ignorant and **** for a long time. You should be able to just ignore them by now. Fana's story is a good one he did the right thing. Though when I pub I tend to talk constantly it makes people like me more(or mute me) and then I give suggestions and poof I'm not some hacker just a rare nice vet .
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The only people it is appropriate to be bitter at are the devs and their advisors who caused this problem in the first place and only fuel it as time goes on while making bad decisions about gameplay. errrr I mean be nice.
At times like this its ashame that people like him are even allowed to speak to others like that. I hurts to know that a few more random pubbers are just going to hate us more now. Although maybe they won't because they know that there are a few good men out there still.
However this totally depends on my mood on the day.
Scenario 1:
If I join a server and I'm happy as ever and someone builds SC first on a hive I could be. "Ok. Who built SC first without asking." (And its always without asking, I'm always one for MC/SC first, with general team consensus) And maybe the player will own up and that will be fine and I'll tell them to build 3 so we can get full upgrades and lets get that 2nd Hive for MC.. yada yada etc. Everyone dies happy.
Scenario 2:
Now take above situation up to the point where I ask who did it. And no one responds.. Now that ticks me off. Especially if it ends up being a vet player who tries to hide the fact they are the ones who did it (believe me I've done it and have always apologised). < That makes me angry.
Scenario 3:
So I'm in a bad mood and I don't want anything to ruin it, so quite often (not always though) I will join the alien team and the first thing I will say to my team will be. "ok. What do we want DC/MC/SC first? Who will get the 2nd hive? Who will be our fade?" (binded for that one purpose)
Now if someone goes ahead and builds an SC after that without talking that will just seriously just peeve me.. mainly because <b>I asked</b> the whole team first what we wanted. Now anybody with the minimalist of observation skills should realise that DCs MCs SCs relate the first letter of upgrades. (And lets face it, if a new player can gorge and then know that you can build an upgrade chamber without reading a manual then they should be able to figure that one out, BUT if a VET does that.. well if it was my server it would be banned and amx_configwipe for you.)
So there ya go.. Angry player here (And I'm not elitist... Just angry)
Keeping 3-4 skulks dead for a few min is QUITE valuable