Guess I have a tendency to play games into oblivion just to never touch it again after a certain amount of time, like CS/NS/UT. Restraint is not in my vocabulary, at least regarding video games.
Kouji_SanSr. Hινε UÏкεεÏεг - EUPT DeputyThe NetherlandsJoin Date: 2003-05-13Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
edited October 2007
It's a well known fact that Svenpa is hax <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" /> Also ya seem quite swift with the stabbiestab!
Anyway, I just knew something would go terribly wrong after I saw 2 rockets incomming from his two buddie soldiers and himself. Here's the result <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" /> <a href="http://img516.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cpdustbowl0011na4.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/9169/cpdustbowl0011na4.th.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" /></a>
Svenpa, why you put the hurting on me? <a href="http://img516.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cpdustbowl0028ci4.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/6602/cpdustbowl0028ci4.th.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" /></a>
ShockehIf a packet drops on the web and nobody's near to see it...Join Date: 2002-11-19Member: 9336NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation
If it weren't for Scouts dominating the game otherwise, I'd totally ratify removing Sentry Guns entirely, or halving their track speed, or something. If I wanted to play bots, I'd play bots. Most Engineers, you might as well change the class....
<!--c1--><div class='codetop'>CODE</div><div class='codemain'><!--ec1-->Sentry Gun: Spawns the player as a Sentry Gun that upgrades over time. Vulnerable to Spies. Can deploy a range of devices, including a Teleporter to reach the previous camp point faster, and an AI controlled Engineer that defends the Sentry Gun from attack.<!--c2--></div><!--ec2-->
I've played more than one game now of 2fort with literally 8/12 players on a side were Engineers. The worst bit being, it actually works, because the other 4 just try & Scout/Spy their way through.
Incidental: Yes, I'm aware there are Counters. But Engineers are currently multiplicative in their effects, 1 Engineer + Sentry is no match for Medic + Soldier, but 2 Engineers are, and 4 Engineers + Sentries will defeat 2 Soldiers + 2 Medics every time. Don't even consider Spies when they're all in LOS of each other, they laugh at you then you die.
demoman stickies might be of use then? On the other hand, teams with a lot of engineers aren't contributing much to the offensive push, so at worst you'll end up with a stalemate. Not very fun, but that's their own fault.
NeonSpyder"Das est NTLDR?"Join Date: 2003-07-03Member: 17913Members
<!--quoteo(post=1658841:date=Nov 1 2007, 04:51 AM:name=Liku)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Liku @ Nov 1 2007, 04:51 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1658841"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Or you can nade spam the hell out of the Sentries.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I concur.
Either fire a massive spam of the 'normal' grenades from a few (three or so) demomen, and you'll see results. OR lob 24 total sticky bombs onto the area where all the sentry guns are and then detonate simultaneously. The results is bits of engineer raining from the sky for the next week or so, and a lot of broken sentry guns and dispensers
the team with better teamwork and strategy almost always wins... when a team has 1 sentry, you can uber a soldier. when a team has several sentries plus good engineers, you need a spy to go in and sapper spam them so they can't be repaired while a soldier or demo finishes them off
Demoman and Engineers both annoy me equally. Pretty sure it's some infested hatred against NS turrets and GL's, along with these classes supporting mass turtling. Played a game on Dustbowl yesterday, the defending team had 2 engineers and 3 demomen. It was just so ... boring. It's beyond me how people enjoy playing those.
ThansalThe New ScumJoin Date: 2002-08-22Member: 1215Members, Constellation
<!--quoteo(post=1658864:date=Nov 1 2007, 08:21 AM:name=lolfighter)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(lolfighter @ Nov 1 2007, 08:21 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1658864"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Demoman is more fun on offense anyway.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Demo can play D and O at the same time <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />
Pipe up the CP then go and play O with regular pipes. When they start actively trying to cap (most people know by now to step on a piped up place and then back of quickly), you make them go boom <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />
The problem with Engies is that they are a selfish class that doesn't require teamwork in numbers. If you want to counter with 4 Demos you first have to convince 4 ppl to go demo and to get to the flagroom in one piece, then you have to get them to attack at the same time. All Engies need to do is buildy buildy and wait for Spy-y.
P.S. Svenpa shamefully forgot to mention he has lots of ubers to get those kills. I ended up with 34 assists at the end of the round, about 98% from Svenpa. The only reason he didn't beat his previous score is because he decided to run up to the CP1 bunker with about 2 seconds of uber left, stranding his medic in no-man's land with enemies in all directions! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
I assumed ubers came naturally into mind with healing, but maybe some of you like to heal just to get uber then run and put it on a engineer <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />. The killing spree was so intense I couldn't stop dear Crispy, they literally ran away when I came shooting critty sticks at them, even without uber! Such murderous action couldn't make me stay in the back.
<!--quoteo(post=1658780:date=Nov 1 2007, 01:38 AM:name=Kouji_San)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Kouji_San @ Nov 1 2007, 01:38 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1658780"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Svenpa, why you put the hurting on me?
Awesome screenshot, has a nice "me and my devoted sidekick" feel to it. Generally I suck as Heavy, if you look at my stats I play it least, the damn blob always get sniped or stabbed.
Moar Screenshots! (no thumbs, photobucket :/)
<a href="http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q247/Svenpa/ctf_2fort0008.jpg" target="_blank">Taunting blu over their INT</a>
<a href="http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q247/Svenpa/cp_dustbowl0006.jpg" target="_blank">Engineers and their turrets..</a>
<a href="http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q247/Svenpa/syymotislookinggood.jpg" target="_blank">No one snipes me unpunished! NO ONE!</a>
<!--quoteo(post=1658873:date=Nov 1 2007, 02:25 PM:name=Svenpa)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Svenpa @ Nov 1 2007, 02:25 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1658873"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><a href="http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q247/Svenpa/syymotislookinggood.jpg" target="_blank">No one snipes me unpunished! NO ONE!</a><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> "What's that little flashing blue thi-.."
<!--quoteo(post=1658877:date=Nov 1 2007, 09:44 AM:name=lolfighter)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(lolfighter @ Nov 1 2007, 09:44 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1658877"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->"What's that little flashing blue thi-.."<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> I had one of those moments recently. 2 little red rocks bounced past me. by the time it clicked in my head that I should probably move, there was a rain of gibs.
Kouji_SanSr. Hινε UÏкεεÏεг - EUPT DeputyThe NetherlandsJoin Date: 2003-05-13Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
Love this shot: <a href="http://img145.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cpdustbowl0020jz7.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/8213/cpdustbowl0020jz7.th.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" /></a>
<!--quoteo(post=1658880:date=Nov 1 2007, 09:03 AM:name=Kouji_San)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Kouji_San @ Nov 1 2007, 09:03 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1658880"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Love this shot:
Taking a breather <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" /><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I never get cool screenshots like that when I die, it's almost always some soldier strafejumping after a critrocket in the face or an engineer whacking away at his turret.
I tried to make a decent sized wallpaper for widescreen. The only version I have is my native resolution 1680x1050 but if you guys want to mess with it you can size it to fit your needs. It's not the most clean image but there wasn't very much high res source material to use so I made do with what I had.
ThansalThe New ScumJoin Date: 2002-08-22Member: 1215Members, Constellation
<!--quoteo(post=1659158:date=Nov 3 2007, 10:25 AM:name=Abra)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Abra @ Nov 3 2007, 10:25 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1659158"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->As much as I generally hate crossplay (right word, right?) - That picture is cool.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> cosplay: costume play
NeonSpyder"Das est NTLDR?"Join Date: 2003-07-03Member: 17913Members
<!--quoteo(post=1659180:date=Nov 3 2007, 01:22 PM:name=TychoCelchuuu)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TychoCelchuuu @ Nov 3 2007, 01:22 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1659180"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Those are all pictures of game developers btw. From top to bottom it's Volition, Blizzard, NCSoft, BioWare, EA LA, and Nihilistic.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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Anyway, I just knew something would go terribly wrong after I saw 2 rockets incomming from his two buddie soldiers and himself. Here's the result <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
<a href="http://img516.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cpdustbowl0011na4.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/9169/cpdustbowl0011na4.th.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" /></a>
Svenpa, why you put the hurting on me?
<a href="http://img516.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cpdustbowl0028ci4.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/6602/cpdustbowl0028ci4.th.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" /></a>
<!--c1--><div class='codetop'>CODE</div><div class='codemain'><!--ec1-->Sentry Gun:
Spawns the player as a Sentry Gun that upgrades over time. Vulnerable to Spies. Can deploy a range of devices, including a Teleporter to reach the previous camp point faster, and an AI controlled Engineer that defends the Sentry Gun from attack.<!--c2--></div><!--ec2-->
I've played more than one game now of 2fort with literally 8/12 players on a side were Engineers. The worst bit being, it actually works, because the other 4 just try & Scout/Spy their way through.
Incidental: Yes, I'm aware there are Counters. But Engineers are currently multiplicative in their effects, 1 Engineer + Sentry is no match for Medic + Soldier, but 2 Engineers are, and 4 Engineers + Sentries will defeat 2 Soldiers + 2 Medics every time. Don't even consider Spies when they're all in LOS of each other, they laugh at you then you die.
- Shockwave
On the other hand, teams with a lot of engineers aren't contributing much to the offensive push, so at worst you'll end up with a stalemate. Not very fun, but that's their own fault.
I concur.
Either fire a massive spam of the 'normal' grenades from a few (three or so) demomen, and you'll see results. OR lob 24 total sticky bombs onto the area where all the sentry guns are and then detonate simultaneously. The results is bits of engineer raining from the sky for the next week or so, and a lot of broken sentry guns and dispensers
Demo can play D and O at the same time <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />
Pipe up the CP then go and play O with regular pipes. When they start actively trying to cap (most people know by now to step on a piped up place and then back of quickly), you make them go boom <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />
P.S. Svenpa shamefully forgot to mention he has lots of ubers to get those kills. I ended up with 34 assists at the end of the round, about 98% from Svenpa. The only reason he didn't beat his previous score is because he decided to run up to the CP1 bunker with about 2 seconds of uber left, stranding his medic in no-man's land with enemies in all directions! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
<!--quoteo(post=1658780:date=Nov 1 2007, 01:38 AM:name=Kouji_San)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Kouji_San @ Nov 1 2007, 01:38 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1658780"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Svenpa, why you put the hurting on me?
<a href="http://img516.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cpdustbowl0028ci4.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/6602/cpdustbowl0028ci4.th.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" /></a><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Awesome screenshot, has a nice "me and my devoted sidekick" feel to it. Generally I suck as Heavy, if you look at my stats I play it least, the damn blob always get sniped or stabbed.
Moar Screenshots! (no thumbs, photobucket :/)
<a href="http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q247/Svenpa/ctf_2fort0008.jpg" target="_blank">Taunting blu over their INT</a>
<a href="http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q247/Svenpa/cp_dustbowl0006.jpg" target="_blank">Engineers and their turrets..</a>
<a href="http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q247/Svenpa/syymotislookinggood.jpg" target="_blank">No one snipes me unpunished! NO ONE!</a>
"What's that little flashing blue thi-.."
I had one of those moments recently. 2 little red rocks bounced past me. by the time it clicked in my head that I should probably move, there was a rain of gibs.
<a href="http://img145.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cpdustbowl0020jz7.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/8213/cpdustbowl0020jz7.th.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" /></a>
Taking a breather <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
<a href="http://img218.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cpwell0000or0.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/6076/cpwell0000or0.th.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" /></a>
Taking a breather <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" /><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I never get cool screenshots like that when I die, it's almost always some soldier strafejumping after a critrocket in the face or an engineer whacking away at his turret.
right in the kisser
anyway, enjoy it if you want it.
<img src="http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/2969/tf2hs4.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />
P.S awesome costume ideas
<img src="http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/2249/tf2ag7.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />
cosplay: costume play
<img src="http://cache.kotaku.com/assets/resources/2007/11/blizzard_tf2.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />
<img src="http://cache.kotaku.com/assets/resources/2007/11/ncsoft_tf2.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />
<img src="http://cache.kotaku.com/assets/resources/2007/11/bioware_tf2.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />
<img src="http://cache.kotaku.com/assets/resources/2007/11/eala_tf2.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />
<img src="http://cache.kotaku.com/assets/resources/2007/11/nihilistic_tf2.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />
Wow. So awesome.
How awesome?
...
<i><b>So Awesome</b></i>