<!--QuoteBegin-Depot+Jun 5 2005, 02:46 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Depot @ Jun 5 2005, 02:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Thanks Cyndane. In my car-haulin' days I hauled many a Taurus out of the plant in Hapeville, Ga. I may be mistaken, but <i>I think</i> the main reason their numbers were higher than Toyotas or Hondas was their corner on the rental car market for that size vehicle.
<b>FYI:</b> Little know fact but since this is the wheels thread, Orlando, Fla. is the rental car capital of the U.S. (world maybe?).
<!--QuoteBegin-pulsar Jun 5 2005+ 10:41 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (pulsar Jun 5 2005 @ 10:41 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> My dad has a Salsa Red Metallic Equinox LS here r some pictures of my dads car from the chevrolet website i lost the pictures of his car he sent me here some links:
click on Equinox LS then thats the clor of my dads car.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What did the Equinox replace? (soz, not a huge GM fan) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> It did not replace none of the cars as he wanted a new car
TalesinOur own little well of hateJoin Date: 2002-11-08Member: 7710NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators
You're assuming that his car was set up for racing, Cyn. Stock class doesn't permit VPCs or ECU reprogramming. And the ECU doesn't do jack crap to the tranny... it's pressure differential shifting. Very few automatics are actually electronically actuated... they just move up to the next gear when the fluid inside reaches a certain pressure level, which overcomes the resistance.
And your weight estimates are going WAY up. From your original numbers, that would include a driver and one or two passengers, as well as a full fuel load and all fluids.
There ARE a few automatic transmissions that are set up to shift in the power band. The Grand Prix GTP, for example, has a switch to set it into 'sport shift' mode, to take full advantage of the supercharger. Even though it's 3583lb curb weight, with a super'd V6 pushing out 260hp and 280ft/lb, the GSX still whomped it off the line and down the block, weighing in at 3145lb, with 195hp and 204ft/lb. And did I mention that the GSX is STILL having problems? It's not getting the full timing advance it should through the middle of the power band. Most likely due to phantom knock, but I can't afford the new 3G lifters at the moment, to solve the problem. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
A manual has the control that is needed to put the maximum power to the asphalt; whether that be over-revving your power band on an uphill, dumping it to the torque peak on a downhill (especially with a turbo), or holding it at the right RPM level for a good launch... without burning out your transmission or lugging the engine.
And how is the analogy flawed? Macs are for computer owners who don't want to have to deal with having a computer. Automatics are for people that don't want to have to deal with driving a car. Hell, sooner or later we'll have automatic-steer systems. Then they can go play Parcheesi in the back seat while the people-mover carries them wherever they want to go. But that sure as hell isn't driving.
<!--QuoteBegin-Talesin+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Talesin)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You're assuming that his car was set up for racing, Cyn. Stock class doesn't permit VPCs or ECU reprogramming. And the ECU doesn't do jack crap to the tranny... it's pressure differential shifting. Very few automatics are actually electronically actuated... they just move up to the next gear when the fluid inside reaches a certain pressure level, which overcomes the resistance. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If their car isn't set up for racing even in the stock class why are you bragginb about beating a V6? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Almost all of the cars with a computer, will control the shift points, you can disagree all you want, but take an automatic out and drive one. If you floor it, it will wait till almost redline, but if you drive it slow it will shift earlier. Computer controlled.
<!--QuoteBegin-talesin+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (talesin)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> And your weight estimates are going WAY up. From your original numbers, that would include a driver and one or two passengers, as well as a full fuel load and all fluids. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Actually I amended them, Depot corrected me, curb weight includes fluids and fuel. All that was left out was driver, so I amended my numbers, using depots max average american weight for a male, unless you were racing a girl? 3400 would be quite accurate, unless of course it was really a 4 cyclinder, and you don't want to tell us that.
<!--QuoteBegin-Talesin+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Talesin)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> There ARE a few automatic transmissions that are set up to shift in the power band. The Grand Prix GTP, for example, has a switch to set it into 'sport shift' mode, to take full advantage of the supercharger. Even though it's 3583lb curb weight, with a super'd V6 pushing out 260hp and 280ft/lb, the GSX still whomped it off the line and down the block, weighing in at 3145lb, with 195hp and 204ft/lb. And did I mention that the GSX is STILL having problems? It's not getting the full timing advance it should through the middle of the power band. Most likely due to phantom knock, but I can't afford the new 3G lifters at the moment, to solve the problem. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> My Sunfire is set up very much in the same way, with one difference, I don't have to push a button. I can control it depending upon how much I push on the gas. Or, I can control it manually and have it not shift all, untill I am past the redline (stops at around 7200 though, thanks to rev limiter).
I am sorry to hear about the GSX, it has so much potential.
<!--QuoteBegin-Talesin+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Talesin)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> And how is the analogy flawed? Macs are for computer owners who don't want to have to deal with having a computer. Automatics are for people that don't want to have to deal with driving a car. Hell, sooner or later we'll have automatic-steer systems. Then they can go play Parcheesi in the back seat while the people-mover carries them wherever they want to go. But that sure as hell isn't driving. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Macs are for people who actually wish to do work on a computer. That wish to work with graphics, animation, movies, and sound editing. It has nothing to do with people who don't want to own a computer.
Automatics are for people who don't like having to shift constantly in stop and go traffic or who can't pay enough attention to the shifting to do it properly. Anyone can learn it, but it can take some time. Not to mention most people who drive autos drive a lot smoother (during shifting) then manuals, since they know the shift points will automatically adjust to them. Depending upon how hard they push the gas.
<!--QuoteBegin-Talesin+Jun 6 2005, 04:50 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Talesin @ Jun 6 2005, 04:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Automatics are for people that don't want to have to deal with driving a car. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Hardly so. Automatics are for drivers who don't want to have to deal with manual transmissions re: clutch work and shifting. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
TalesinOur own little well of hateJoin Date: 2002-11-08Member: 7710NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators
Stock class is exactly that. What it rolled off the factory line with.
And take a look at blown-apart diagrams of automatic transmissions a bit more... in MOST cases, there is zero ECU control over the transmission. Just when the flywheel goes freewheeling, it drops in fuel cut for the split second it takes for the next gear to engage. The 'higher shift points' are a bypass valve in most cases, for severe pressure difference. It allows the transmission to downshift when rapid accelleration is needed.... and most older autos will get STUCK in that lower gear, until the throttle is released slightly. Which will allow an automatic to over-rev the engine unintentionally, as the driver assumes that the car will handle shifting on its own, and just mash on the 'go forward' pedal.
Again, Macs are for people who don't want to own a computer. They want to own an appliance, much like a toaster or a crib-toy, with bright shiny blinkies that don't take thought to understand. And so they pay the stupid-tax.
Similar with automatics. It removes a measure of thought from driving, as well as a major aspect of control over the vehicle. And as soon as it blows out, people pay the stupid-tax.
And Depot... as I said. People that don't want to have to deal with <b>driving a car</b>. It turns into point-and-go. Good for long, boring transport. Bad if you enjoy driving.
<!--QuoteBegin-Talesin+Jun 6 2005, 09:39 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Talesin @ Jun 6 2005, 09:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->And Depot... as I said. People that don't want to have to deal with <b>driving a car</b>. It turns into point-and-go. Good for long, boring transport. Bad if you enjoy driving.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> You're confusing driving a car with racing a car. There's a huge difference between the two.
My car is an absolute blast to drive, whether it's a 5 minute jaunt to the Publix or a 3 hour trip to my bros. And the 3 hour trip? Not long, not boring, and hardly point-and-go if you're riding with me. I <i>thoroughly enjoy </i>driving it ... did I mention it's an <b>automatic</b>? <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I have been to the strip here a few times and stock class allows for light modifications, whether they be ECU, Intake, Exhaust, and timing issues. No internal work is allowed though, (Cams, pistons, rods, turbos, NoS, and etc.)
We are just going to have to agree to disagree on the automatics and the Macs Talesin.
I find that autos are just fine for racing, especially once you hit high horsepower numbers, and I would gladly race you in my little sunfire and show you how fast an auto can be. :-)
Just like if I wanted to do professional audio/video editing I would get a mac... oh wait I do have one. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
TalesinOur own little well of hateJoin Date: 2002-11-08Member: 7710NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators
Not in actual Stock class. ECU mods instantly kick you from Stock to Street Prepared, or outright Prepared if you do with a standalone like an AEM.
Depot, I think you may be confusing driving a car with getting where you're going. An automatic will get you where you're going... fast or slow. With a manual, you drive there.
And Cyndane, if you're ever out in SoCal, I'd be happy to take you up on that. Just so long as you have a scattershield if you've got it above 300chp. I'd rather not go home a paraplegic when it explodes due to overstress. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> (Another requirement for automatics on strip out here. Manuals only require them in excess of 450chp, and even then that's only if you're running a stock flywheel) And if you intended to do A/V edit and sync in a realtime television setting, you'd actually have to learn Linux. Even with MacOSX being BSD-based, it's still too crufty and crashy to use in a live production environment. But I'm sure it's fine for putting together a DVD for your parents. ;D
<!--QuoteBegin-Talesin+Jun 6 2005, 10:16 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Talesin @ Jun 6 2005, 10:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Not in actual Stock class. ECU mods instantly kick you from Stock to Street Prepared, or outright Prepared if you do with a standalone like an AEM.
Depot, I think you may be confusing driving a car with getting where you're going. An automatic will get you where you're going... fast or slow. With a manual, you drive there.
And Cyndane, if you're ever out in SoCal, I'd be happy to take you up on that. Just so long as you have a scattershield if you've got it above 300chp. I'd rather not go home a paraplegic when it explodes due to overstress. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> (Another requirement for automatics on strip out here. Manuals only require them in excess of 450chp, and even then that's only if you're running a stock flywheel) And if you intended to do A/V edit and sync in a realtime television setting, you'd actually have to learn Linux. Even with MacOSX being BSD-based, it's still too crufty and crashy to use in a live production environment. But I'm sure it's fine for putting together a DVD for your parents. ;D<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Talesin, give it up - there are no winners here. You like your standard, that's fine. Don't insult others though, especially me, by saying that navigating an automobile with an automatic is <b>not</b> driving.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Driving' is the controlled operation of a vehicle, usually a motor vehicle such as a truck, bus, motorcycle, or car (for bicycles and mounted animals and—at least in the U.K. and U.S.—motorcycles, the corresponding activity is called riding). <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Any definition I found failed to mention transmission type. Nuff said. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Surprisingly Talesin, in my commerical setting I use a Mac to edit and create videos for the commericals here in SF. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
My ex running partner is a commercial artist Cyndane and until recently was the art director for an upscale local magazine. She SWORE by her MAC for that line of work. They have their place...
Sorry for drifting off topic, I'll find out which one she has exactly.
Im lookin for a new car (well used) any suggestions
specs i hope to meet
descent hp nothin honda civic/ geo storm/ or ford taursus/ caddilac style vehicle not a big truck decent mpg not a boat more than 2 passenger not a kia (because i hate everyone i have ever touched)
im thinking a subaru or a lil toyota truck also where to look (ie random car lot, deals on wheels, interweb)
<img src='http://japanimport.no/pris_eksempler/SUBARU/1998_Impreza_STi/a1.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> har har if you got the money you can get the 98 impreza STI ver.4
My new car, got rid of my Astra and bought myself a Seat Ibiza sport
Yes she's a bit dirty... but that's how she and I like it <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Har Har the Pirate, a used Toyota truck would be a wise investment as they are nearly bulletproof. To find one in your area I recommend Auto Trader. My brother used to run one when he lived in upstate N.Y., in the winter time as his 2nd vehicle. It was a rustbucket but damn did it run well.
@harhar: While I really don't condone the use of Toyota, for a pickup, they are quite dependable.
However, if you wish to have something that has decent get up and go, I would while still maintaining decent mpg, I would suggest a Diamon Star Machine (Eclipse/Talon/Laser) year really makes no difference, but the 95 were the lightest of them. Or, if you prefer american car, I would reccommend an 04 Cavailer/Sunfire for two reasons. 1. They have the new duratech engine. 2. Dual overhead cams (HUGE DIFFERENCE in accelration).
More then two passenger, there is the toyota Avalon/Solara, which are quite comfortable. Nissian Altima/Maxima or the Hyundai Tiburon/Sonata. All of which are four doors, and get excellent mpg while still maintaining an under 17sec 1/4 mile time. Assuming just you driving of course.
10 years ago Hyundai ranked at the bottom of the ratings as far as reliability goes ... now they're tied with Honda for second. <a href='http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2003-03-11-cr-picks_x.htm' target='_blank'>Hyundai's reliability rankings now tie Honda's</a> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->By Earle Eldridge, USA TODAY South Korean brand Hyundai — much maligned in the past for quality problems — ranks No. 2, along with perennial leader Honda, in the newest Consumer Reports magazine reliability ratings.
Toyota continues as the top brand for reliability in the ranking, based on 2002 models, in Consumer Reports' annual auto issue, out today. The auto issue, considered a bible for car shoppers, has reviews, buying tips, reliability scores, safety ratings and industry trends compiled by the magazine's auto test staff. Reliability ratings are based on surveys of 460,000 owners of vehicles up to 5 years old. They were asked about problems in 14 areas.
The brand's ranking is based on complaints about 2002 models, which found 11 problems per 100 vehicles for Hyundai. Last year, the magazine's survey found Hyundai had 24 problems per 100 vehicles, ranking it 12th out of 20 brands.
David Champion, director of auto testing for Consumer Reports, says 10 years ago Hyundai ranked at the bottom of the ratings. "The question will be as these models age, how their reliability will be in comparison to other manufacturers."
CR's RELIABILITY RANKINGS For 2002 models, the average was 18 problems per 100 vehicles, vs. 21 in 2001. Brand - Problems per 100 vehicles Toyota 10 Honda 11 Hyundai 11 Subaru 13 Nissan 15 BMW 20 Chrysler 20 Mazda 20 Volkswagen 20 General Motors 21 Mercedes-Benz 22 Ford Motor 23 Source: Consumer Reports
J.D. Power and Associates, a marketing and research firm, said its annual Initial Quality Survey, which looks at problems in the first 90 days of ownership, put Hyundai's 2002 vehicles below the industry average. "I am a little surprised that they rank them near the top next to Honda," says Brian Walters, Power's director of product research. "But I am not surprised to hear that Hyundai products are getting better."
Hyundai had such quality problems in the past that it began offering 10-year warranties to help reassure buyers. Chuck Halper, vice president of service for Hyundai Motor America, says the automaker's warranty costs have fallen more than 50% on some models since 1998.
Consumer Reports also found that European brands Volkswagen, BMW and Mercedes-Benz are slipping in quality, while Chrysler, Ford Motor and General Motors continue to improve. In the magazine's top picks for 2003, Honda Accord was the best four-cylinder family sedan, Volkswagen Passat the best six-cylinder. Chevrolet Avalanche dethroned Toyota Tundra as best pickup. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> As noted by Consumer reports HarHar, the Subaru ranked 3rd in reliability, not to shabby. I mention this because you had listed Subaru.
Extremely difficult to believe a Chevrolet Avalance dethroned a Toyota Tundra ... <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
yeah, chevy (trucks) have really gone down hill in the past few years IMHO toyota whips their **** and even ford whoops it now
I had a 85 toyota SR5 which was reliable as hell, lloved that truck, still do, just had no power what so ever( 109 horses or something like that, cant remember) and ill agree that the new cavalier's/sunfire/ion (ions same thing right?) are pretty nice cars just dont trust em yet, old ones were pieces of ****
on the dodge lazer/eclipse im not a fan of just because everyone i know that has one has had problems with it (mayhap to their own stupidity)
... damn its hard to decide what i want
chrysler 300 ( friggen just... cool, but yeah right, like i could afford, and i dont know reliablility) gt mustang (new body style/engine) (like it, too much money) toyota v6/v8 truck nissan truck subaru toyota car
Well, might as well list the specs while we are at it. Chrysler Site 300M(2001) <!--c1--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>CODE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='CODE'><!--ec1--> Original List Price $29,540 (Not bad really.) Chrysler 300M (Replacement of the Eagle Vision) Camshaft Vee Compression Ratio 9.9:1 Engine Size 3.5 L Horsepower 253 @6400rpm Miles per Gallon 18/27 Number of Cylinders 6 Standard Engine 6 Cylinder, 3.5 Liter, 253 Horsepower Engine Torque 255 @3950rpm Towing Capacity 2,000 lbs. Cargo Capacity 16.8 cu. ft. Curb Weight 3,585 lbs. Front Headroom 38.3" Front Legroom 42.2" <!--c2--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--ec2-->
Ford Mustang 2005 (Ford site) (Couldn't find prices, assuming upper $20k) <!--c1--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>CODE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='CODE'><!--ec1--> Mustang V6 Mustang GT Engine Type 4.0L SOHC 12V V6 4.6L SOHC 24V V8 Engine Electronics EEV-V EEV-V Displacement 4.0L (245 cu. in.) 4.6L (281 cu. in.) Horsepower 210 @ 5250 300 @ 5750 Torque (lb.-ft. @ rpm) 240 @ 3500 320 @ 4500 Compression Ratio 9.7:1 9.8:1 Bore and Stroke (in.) 3.95 x 3.32 3.6 X 3.6 Main Bearings 4 5 Fuel Economy 19/28 manual-19/25 auto 17/25 manual-18/23 auto
<!--c2--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--ec2--> Toyota Tundra (V6 model in quotes) <!--c1--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>CODE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='CODE'><!--ec1--> Model Year 2001 Original List Price $23,405 ($19,521) Camshaft Vee Compression Ratio 9.6:1 Engine Size 4.7 L Horsepower 245 @4800rpm (190@4800) Miles per Gallon 14/17 (17/21) Number of Cylinders 8 (6) Standard Engine 8 Cylinder, 4.7 Liter, 245 Horsepower Engine Torque 315 @3400rpm (245@3600) Towing Capacity 5,250 lbs. (3,542 lbs.) Curb Weight 3,839 lbs. (3,575 lbs.) <!--c2--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--ec2-->
Toyota Avalon (2001) <!--c1--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>CODE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='CODE'><!--ec1--> $30,405 (Orginal list price) Camshaft Vee Compression Ratio 10.5:1 Engine Size 3.0 L Horsepower 210 @5800rpm Miles per Gallon 21/29 Number of Cylinders 6 Standard Engine 6 Cylinder, 3.0 Liter, 210 Horsepower Engine Torque 220 @4400rpm Towing Capacity 2,000 lbs. Cargo Capacity 15 cu. ft. Curb Weight 3,439 lbs. <!--c2--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--ec2-->
i might get a lil turbo 4 cylinder chrysler turbo (forgot year, i think 88-94 range)
Reason i might get it:
It will be nearly free, as we were conducting a smog on the vehicle and it failed smog for visible smoke and high HC's, the lady didnt want to deal with it and signed the vehicle over to our techs name who smogged it FOR FREE because she didnt want to deal with fixing it even though we told her it would be a cheap fix at any 2G station. Car has 40k on it and all i really need to do is a tune up, pan gasket replacement, and and to fix the exaust leak (manifold cracked) and maybe a paint job (i have the hook up there)
it that doesnt work there is a 98 toyota truck v6 goin for 8k i believe at a guy i used to work withs brothers used car lot and he said he could hook me up with a decent deal
Those are the two that came optionally turbo-charged from that year that were not imports. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> not sure lol, might be older
Here's my lovely truck and sorry about the crappy quality <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> :
I need a truck. Badly. Every time I need supplies from the Depot I have to beg a neighbor to take me. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
TalesinOur own little well of hateJoin Date: 2002-11-08Member: 7710NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators
Take a look at a Subaru Legacy, Depot. Station wagon version of the WRX. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> Plenty of carrying capacity, unless you're bringing home large sheets of plywood or drywall. Which most people don't.
Yar, that's what I need it for, big and long stuff. Yesterday I needed 4@ 10' sections of 4" drain pipe and a few bags of mulch. Next week I'll need several 80lb. bags of Quickkrete. Soon to come, some 2x6x10' pt lumber and maybe some plywood.
The bad news is, when my bro moved down here several months ago he left his '69 El Camino in N.Y. Yup, gave it to his gf. <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo--> I <i>begged</i> him for it.
My neighbor across the canal has a Legacy - I always see him haulin stuff in it, and he loves the car.
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<b>FYI:</b> Little know fact but since this is the wheels thread, Orlando, Fla. is the rental car capital of the U.S. (world maybe?).
<!--QuoteBegin-pulsar Jun 5 2005+ 10:41 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (pulsar Jun 5 2005 @ 10:41 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
My dad has a Salsa Red Metallic Equinox LS here r some pictures of my dads car from the chevrolet website i lost the pictures of his car he sent me here some links:
<a href='http://www.chevrolet.com/equinox/colors/' target='_blank'>http://www.chevrolet.com/equinox/colors/</a>
click on Equinox LS
then thats the clor of my dads car.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What did the Equinox replace? (soz, not a huge GM fan) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
It did not replace none of the cars as he wanted a new car
Pulsar
And your weight estimates are going WAY up. From your original numbers, that would include a driver and one or two passengers, as well as a full fuel load and all fluids.
There ARE a few automatic transmissions that are set up to shift in the power band. The Grand Prix GTP, for example, has a switch to set it into 'sport shift' mode, to take full advantage of the supercharger. Even though it's 3583lb curb weight, with a super'd V6 pushing out 260hp and 280ft/lb, the GSX still whomped it off the line and down the block, weighing in at 3145lb, with 195hp and 204ft/lb. And did I mention that the GSX is STILL having problems? It's not getting the full timing advance it should through the middle of the power band. Most likely due to phantom knock, but I can't afford the new 3G lifters at the moment, to solve the problem. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
A manual has the control that is needed to put the maximum power to the asphalt; whether that be over-revving your power band on an uphill, dumping it to the torque peak on a downhill (especially with a turbo), or holding it at the right RPM level for a good launch... without burning out your transmission or lugging the engine.
And how is the analogy flawed? Macs are for computer owners who don't want to have to deal with having a computer. Automatics are for people that don't want to have to deal with driving a car. Hell, sooner or later we'll have automatic-steer systems. Then they can go play Parcheesi in the back seat while the people-mover carries them wherever they want to go.
But that sure as hell isn't driving.
You're assuming that his car was set up for racing, Cyn. Stock class doesn't permit VPCs or ECU reprogramming. And the ECU doesn't do jack crap to the tranny... it's pressure differential shifting. Very few automatics are actually electronically actuated... they just move up to the next gear when the fluid inside reaches a certain pressure level, which overcomes the resistance.
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If their car isn't set up for racing even in the stock class why are you bragginb about beating a V6? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Almost all of the cars with a computer, will control the shift points, you can disagree all you want, but take an automatic out and drive one. If you floor it, it will wait till almost redline, but if you drive it slow it will shift earlier. Computer controlled.
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And your weight estimates are going WAY up. From your original numbers, that would include a driver and one or two passengers, as well as a full fuel load and all fluids.
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Actually I amended them, Depot corrected me, curb weight includes fluids and fuel. All that was left out was driver, so I amended my numbers, using depots max average american weight for a male, unless you were racing a girl?
3400 would be quite accurate, unless of course it was really a 4 cyclinder, and you don't want to tell us that.
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There ARE a few automatic transmissions that are set up to shift in the power band. The Grand Prix GTP, for example, has a switch to set it into 'sport shift' mode, to take full advantage of the supercharger. Even though it's 3583lb curb weight, with a super'd V6 pushing out 260hp and 280ft/lb, the GSX still whomped it off the line and down the block, weighing in at 3145lb, with 195hp and 204ft/lb. And did I mention that the GSX is STILL having problems? It's not getting the full timing advance it should through the middle of the power band. Most likely due to phantom knock, but I can't afford the new 3G lifters at the moment, to solve the problem.
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My Sunfire is set up very much in the same way, with one difference, I don't have to push a button. I can control it depending upon how much I push on the gas. Or, I can control it manually and have it not shift all, untill I am past the redline (stops at around 7200 though, thanks to rev limiter).
I am sorry to hear about the GSX, it has so much potential.
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And how is the analogy flawed? Macs are for computer owners who don't want to have to deal with having a computer. Automatics are for people that don't want to have to deal with driving a car. Hell, sooner or later we'll have automatic-steer systems. Then they can go play Parcheesi in the back seat while the people-mover carries them wherever they want to go.
But that sure as hell isn't driving.
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Macs are for people who actually wish to do work on a computer. That wish to work with graphics, animation, movies, and sound editing. It has nothing to do with people who don't want to own a computer.
Automatics are for people who don't like having to shift constantly in stop and go traffic or who can't pay enough attention to the shifting to do it properly. Anyone can learn it, but it can take some time. Not to mention most people who drive autos drive a lot smoother (during shifting) then manuals, since they know the shift points will automatically adjust to them. Depending upon how hard they push the gas.
Hardly so. Automatics are for drivers who don't want to have to deal with manual transmissions re: clutch work and shifting. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
And take a look at blown-apart diagrams of automatic transmissions a bit more... in MOST cases, there is zero ECU control over the transmission. Just when the flywheel goes freewheeling, it drops in fuel cut for the split second it takes for the next gear to engage. The 'higher shift points' are a bypass valve in most cases, for severe pressure difference. It allows the transmission to downshift when rapid accelleration is needed.... and most older autos will get STUCK in that lower gear, until the throttle is released slightly. Which will allow an automatic to over-rev the engine unintentionally, as the driver assumes that the car will handle shifting on its own, and just mash on the 'go forward' pedal.
Again, Macs are for people who don't want to own a computer. They want to own an appliance, much like a toaster or a crib-toy, with bright shiny blinkies that don't take thought to understand. And so they pay the stupid-tax.
Similar with automatics. It removes a measure of thought from driving, as well as a major aspect of control over the vehicle. And as soon as it blows out, people pay the stupid-tax.
And Depot... as I said. People that don't want to have to deal with <b>driving a car</b>. It turns into point-and-go. Good for long, boring transport. Bad if you enjoy driving.
You're confusing driving a car with racing a car. There's a huge difference between the two.
My car is an absolute blast to drive, whether it's a 5 minute jaunt to the Publix or a 3 hour trip to my bros. And the 3 hour trip? Not long, not boring, and hardly point-and-go if you're riding with me. I <i>thoroughly enjoy </i>driving it ... did I mention it's an <b>automatic</b>? <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
We are just going to have to agree to disagree on the automatics and the Macs Talesin.
I find that autos are just fine for racing, especially once you hit high horsepower numbers, and I would gladly race you in my little sunfire and show you how fast an auto can be. :-)
Just like if I wanted to do professional audio/video editing I would get a mac... oh wait I do have one. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Depot, I think you may be confusing driving a car with getting where you're going. An automatic will get you where you're going... fast or slow. With a manual, you drive there.
And Cyndane, if you're ever out in SoCal, I'd be happy to take you up on that. Just so long as you have a scattershield if you've got it above 300chp. I'd rather not go home a paraplegic when it explodes due to overstress. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> (Another requirement for automatics on strip out here. Manuals only require them in excess of 450chp, and even then that's only if you're running a stock flywheel)
And if you intended to do A/V edit and sync in a realtime television setting, you'd actually have to learn Linux. Even with MacOSX being BSD-based, it's still too crufty and crashy to use in a live production environment. But I'm sure it's fine for putting together a DVD for your parents. ;D
Depot, I think you may be confusing driving a car with getting where you're going. An automatic will get you where you're going... fast or slow. With a manual, you drive there.
And Cyndane, if you're ever out in SoCal, I'd be happy to take you up on that. Just so long as you have a scattershield if you've got it above 300chp. I'd rather not go home a paraplegic when it explodes due to overstress. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> (Another requirement for automatics on strip out here. Manuals only require them in excess of 450chp, and even then that's only if you're running a stock flywheel)
And if you intended to do A/V edit and sync in a realtime television setting, you'd actually have to learn Linux. Even with MacOSX being BSD-based, it's still too crufty and crashy to use in a live production environment. But I'm sure it's fine for putting together a DVD for your parents. ;D<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Talesin, give it up - there are no winners here. You like your standard, that's fine. Don't insult others though, especially me, by saying that navigating an automobile with an automatic is <b>not</b> driving.
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Any definition I found failed to mention transmission type. Nuff said. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Sorry for drifting off topic, I'll find out which one she has exactly.
I'm busy trying to save for a G5.. I have a mid range G4 at the moment. :-)
Im lookin for a new car (well used) any suggestions
specs i hope to meet
descent hp
nothin honda civic/ geo storm/ or ford taursus/ caddilac style vehicle
not a big truck
decent mpg
not a boat
more than 2 passenger
not a kia (because i hate everyone i have ever touched)
im thinking a subaru or a lil toyota truck
also where to look (ie random car lot, deals on wheels, interweb)
har har if you got the money you can get the 98 impreza STI ver.4
or just a regular 4 door WRX
Yes she's a bit dirty... but that's how she and I like it <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
EDIT: pic will be back when reg plate is gone!
However, if you wish to have something that has decent get up and go, I would while still maintaining decent mpg, I would suggest a Diamon Star Machine (Eclipse/Talon/Laser) year really makes no difference, but the 95 were the lightest of them. Or, if you prefer american car, I would reccommend an 04 Cavailer/Sunfire for two reasons.
1. They have the new duratech engine.
2. Dual overhead cams (HUGE DIFFERENCE in accelration).
More then two passenger, there is the toyota Avalon/Solara, which are quite comfortable. Nissian Altima/Maxima or the Hyundai Tiburon/Sonata. All of which are four doors, and get excellent mpg while still maintaining an under 17sec 1/4 mile time. Assuming just you driving of course.
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South Korean brand Hyundai — much maligned in the past for quality problems — ranks No. 2, along with perennial leader Honda, in the newest Consumer Reports magazine reliability ratings.
Toyota continues as the top brand for reliability in the ranking, based on 2002 models, in Consumer Reports' annual auto issue, out today. The auto issue, considered a bible for car shoppers, has reviews, buying tips, reliability scores, safety ratings and industry trends compiled by the magazine's auto test staff. Reliability ratings are based on surveys of 460,000 owners of vehicles up to 5 years old. They were asked about problems in 14 areas.
The brand's ranking is based on complaints about 2002 models, which found 11 problems per 100 vehicles for Hyundai. Last year, the magazine's survey found Hyundai had 24 problems per 100 vehicles, ranking it 12th out of 20 brands.
David Champion, director of auto testing for Consumer Reports, says 10 years ago Hyundai ranked at the bottom of the ratings. "The question will be as these models age, how their reliability will be in comparison to other manufacturers."
CR's RELIABILITY RANKINGS
For 2002 models, the average was 18 problems per 100 vehicles, vs. 21 in 2001.
Brand - Problems per 100 vehicles
Toyota 10
Honda 11
Hyundai 11
Subaru 13
Nissan 15
BMW 20
Chrysler 20
Mazda 20
Volkswagen 20
General Motors 21
Mercedes-Benz 22
Ford Motor 23
Source: Consumer Reports
J.D. Power and Associates, a marketing and research firm, said its annual Initial Quality Survey, which looks at problems in the first 90 days of ownership, put Hyundai's 2002 vehicles below the industry average. "I am a little surprised that they rank them near the top next to Honda," says Brian Walters, Power's director of product research. "But I am not surprised to hear that Hyundai products are getting better."
Hyundai had such quality problems in the past that it began offering 10-year warranties to help reassure buyers. Chuck Halper, vice president of service for Hyundai Motor America, says the automaker's warranty costs have fallen more than 50% on some models since 1998.
Consumer Reports also found that European brands Volkswagen, BMW and Mercedes-Benz are slipping in quality, while Chrysler, Ford Motor and General Motors continue to improve. In the magazine's top picks for 2003, Honda Accord was the best four-cylinder family sedan, Volkswagen Passat the best six-cylinder. Chevrolet Avalanche dethroned Toyota Tundra as best pickup. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
As noted by Consumer reports HarHar, the Subaru ranked 3rd in reliability, not to shabby. I mention this because you had listed Subaru.
Extremely difficult to believe a Chevrolet Avalance dethroned a Toyota Tundra ... <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I had a 85 toyota SR5 which was reliable as hell, lloved that truck, still do, just had no power what so ever( 109 horses or something like that, cant remember) and ill agree that the new cavalier's/sunfire/ion (ions same thing right?) are pretty nice cars just dont trust em yet, old ones were pieces of ****
on the dodge lazer/eclipse im not a fan of just because everyone i know that has one has had problems with it (mayhap to their own stupidity)
... damn its hard to decide what i want
chrysler 300 ( friggen just... cool, but yeah right, like i could afford, and i dont know reliablility)
gt mustang (new body style/engine) (like it, too much money)
toyota v6/v8 truck
nissan truck
subaru
toyota car
Chrysler Site 300M(2001)
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Original List Price $29,540 (Not bad really.)
Chrysler 300M (Replacement of the Eagle Vision)
Camshaft Vee
Compression Ratio 9.9:1
Engine Size 3.5 L
Horsepower 253 @6400rpm
Miles per Gallon 18/27
Number of Cylinders 6
Standard Engine 6 Cylinder, 3.5 Liter, 253 Horsepower Engine
Torque 255 @3950rpm
Towing Capacity 2,000 lbs.
Cargo Capacity 16.8 cu. ft.
Curb Weight 3,585 lbs.
Front Headroom 38.3"
Front Legroom 42.2"
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Ford Mustang 2005 (Ford site) (Couldn't find prices, assuming upper $20k)
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Mustang V6 Mustang GT
Engine Type 4.0L SOHC 12V V6 4.6L SOHC 24V V8
Engine Electronics EEV-V EEV-V
Displacement 4.0L (245 cu. in.) 4.6L (281 cu. in.)
Horsepower 210 @ 5250 300 @ 5750
Torque (lb.-ft. @ rpm) 240 @ 3500 320 @ 4500
Compression Ratio 9.7:1 9.8:1
Bore and Stroke (in.) 3.95 x 3.32 3.6 X 3.6
Main Bearings 4 5
Fuel Economy 19/28 manual-19/25 auto 17/25 manual-18/23 auto
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Toyota Tundra (V6 model in quotes)
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Model Year 2001
Original List Price $23,405 ($19,521)
Camshaft Vee
Compression Ratio 9.6:1
Engine Size 4.7 L
Horsepower 245 @4800rpm (190@4800)
Miles per Gallon 14/17 (17/21)
Number of Cylinders 8 (6)
Standard Engine 8 Cylinder, 4.7 Liter, 245 Horsepower Engine
Torque 315 @3400rpm (245@3600)
Towing Capacity 5,250 lbs. (3,542 lbs.)
Curb Weight 3,839 lbs. (3,575 lbs.)
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Toyota Avalon (2001)
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$30,405 (Orginal list price)
Camshaft Vee
Compression Ratio 10.5:1
Engine Size 3.0 L
Horsepower 210 @5800rpm
Miles per Gallon 21/29
Number of Cylinders 6
Standard Engine 6 Cylinder, 3.0 Liter, 210 Horsepower Engine
Torque 220 @4400rpm
Towing Capacity 2,000 lbs.
Cargo Capacity 15 cu. ft.
Curb Weight 3,439 lbs.
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i might get a lil turbo 4 cylinder chrysler turbo (forgot year, i think 88-94 range)
Reason i might get it:
It will be nearly free, as we were conducting a smog on the vehicle and it failed smog for visible smoke and high HC's, the lady didnt want to deal with it and signed the vehicle over to our techs name who smogged it FOR FREE because she didnt want to deal with fixing it even though we told her it would be a cheap fix at any 2G station. Car has 40k on it and all i really need to do is a tune up, pan gasket replacement, and and to fix the exaust leak (manifold cracked) and maybe a paint job (i have the hook up there)
it that doesnt work there is a 98 toyota truck v6 goin for 8k i believe at a guy i used to work withs brothers used car lot and he said he could hook me up with a decent deal
Those are the two that came optionally turbo-charged from that year that were not imports.
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not sure lol, might be older
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Badly.
Every time I need supplies from the Depot I have to beg a neighbor to take me. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
The bad news is, when my bro moved down here several months ago he left his '69 El Camino in N.Y. Yup, gave it to his gf. <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo--> I <i>begged</i> him for it.
My neighbor across the canal has a Legacy - I always see him haulin stuff in it, and he loves the car.
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