Joining The Military Upon Completion Of School.

AvengerX · February 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ Feb 20 2005, 09:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Assuming the army's style of molding oneself is right for everyone is pretencious and conviluded.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
but it does make your country have more soldiers.. and that's sometimes a good thing

CommunistWithAGun · February 2005

If I was drafted they'd have to drag me to every battle, hold the gun in my arms for me, I simply would go limp and refuse to do anything, no amount of yelling or harassment would change that.

SkulkBait · February 2005

I would say that joining the military, or some similar non-combat organization, would be a good thing for many youths. I don't even think "mandatory" goes to far. I mean, its great to have rights and all, but it'd really instill a sense of their value in you if you had to earn them via service to your country. Maybe you don't even have to make it mandatory, but allow access to social programs (like say socialized medicine, social security, free college, ect.) only if you have served.

AvengerX · February 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ Feb 20 2005, 09:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> If I was drafted they'd have to drag me to every battle, hold the gun in my arms for me, I simply would go limp and refuse to do anything, no amount of yelling or harassment would change that.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
so if you were Drafted into WWII ... you wouldn't fight to save millions of jews/homo's/other miniritys? what a jerk

Depot · February 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ Feb 20 2005, 10:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Assuming the army's style of molding oneself is right for everyone is pretencious and conviluded.</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
No one said that. I say again, it builds character and instills discipline. How many high school graduates do you know that wouldn't benefit from THAT? Yeah sorry, you have to give an honest answer here.

Depot · February 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ Feb 20 2005, 10:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>If I was drafted they'd have to drag me to every battle, hold the gun in my arms for me, I simply would go limp and refuse to do anything, no amount of yelling or harassment would change that.</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
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Rapier7 · February 2005

Nah, joining the military upon completion of school is stupid.

Do you know how much it takes to support just ONE soldier? They require a lot of money for their free room and board, salary, college tuition, equipment, training, and future bonuses and tax breaks and subsidies. It costs quite a lot of capital to support just one person in our armed forces.

I'd only enlist in the armed forces if our country was under attack, other than that...probably not. If I was drafted...well, I AM a citizen after all, I'd do my duty. But volunteering during a time of peace? Probably not.

Joining the army should always be encouraged, but never forced.

If anybody watched the movie Starship Troopers (never read the book), only those who served in the armed forces had a right to vote.

The problem with the US is that many people simply take for granted of what we have. There should literally be second rate "citizens". Or just call them "civilians". Because frankly, I'm tired of having the system give benefits to those who don't deserve them.

reasa · February 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AvengerX @ Feb 20 2005, 08:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I made one mistake ok? not a few... so just can it.

I don't think sending everyone into the millatary is a good idea. some people are born soldiers, others born scientists, others born musicians... and well you get the idea.

but I agree that kids now a days just don't learn what they need to . I think we should bring back corperal punishment. I'd behave in school if it meant a beating if I didn't  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Well I would call saying Siberia is worthless and making up an entire segment of history where Alexander the Great was taught some sort of lesson in his farcical invasion of Russia, a few mistakes.

As for corporal punishment...possible but I doubt that would make things better.
The entire school system needs to be revamped. Perhaps if students weren't forced to become "well rounded" and were allowed to hone in on what they excel in, school wouldn't become such a mindless chore and maybe become an enjoyable institution for learning.

Thanatos · February 2005

As a person who lives in a country with mandatory service I feel I should perhaps comment on this. Seeing as Depot seem to be the only other one.

I did a one year service as a medic in .. um well can´t think of a word for it in english so lets just call it rangers. Thats pretty close I guess.
Anyways. I really hated it. Every last minute of it. Especially those wretched survival excercises with the snow and the cold and the no food wich lasted for ever.

However. I have to admit, that I really learned a few things about myself. I would lie if I said it didn´t give me perspective on life. It gave me selfrespect and also taught me to view other people as real people. Prior to my service I tended to view others as just some sort of backdrop to my life.

I´m pretty sure though that this does not apply to everyone. Some of my squadmates just turned into gun-nuts. Others had to get therapy (allthough that might be due to the nature of our unit wich really could test your mental health at times).

So, mandatory.. well why not. But with some sort of screening program. After all. Some people is not that well suited to carry arms.

Depot · February 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Thanatos @ Feb 21 2005, 12:14 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>So, mandatory.. well why not. But with some sort of screening program. After all. Some people is not that well suited to carry arms.</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
I agree that prospective recruits would need to be screened. I shall never forget my bunkmate in boot camp that attempted suicide because he simply couldn't handle the rigors of basic training. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' />

CommunistWithAGun · February 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AvengerX @ Feb 20 2005, 10:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ Feb 20 2005, 09:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> If I was drafted they'd have to drag me to every battle, hold the gun in my arms for me, I simply would go limp and refuse to do anything, no amount of yelling or harassment would change that. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
so if you were Drafted into WWII ... you wouldn't fight to save millions of jews/homo's/other miniritys? what a jerk  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Well we know you would't for sure because you're a homophobe, as well demonstrated in the homosexuality thread.

CommunistWithAGun · February 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Depot @ Feb 20 2005, 10:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ Feb 20 2005, 10:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Assuming the army's style of molding oneself is right for everyone is pretencious and conviluded.</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
No one said that. I say again, it builds character and instills discipline. How many high school graduates do you know that wouldn't benefit from THAT? Yeah sorry, you have to give an honest answer here.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
If our education systems weren't so archaic and broken we wouldn't be discussing it.

AvengerX · February 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ Feb 21 2005, 12:01 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AvengerX @ Feb 20 2005, 10:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ Feb 20 2005, 09:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> If I was drafted they'd have to drag me to every battle, hold the gun in my arms for me, I simply would go limp and refuse to do anything, no amount of yelling or harassment would change that. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
so if you were Drafted into WWII ... you wouldn't fight to save millions of jews/homo's/other miniritys? what a jerk </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Well we know you would't for sure because you're a homophobe, as well demonstrated in the homosexuality thread.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
if by homophope... you mean someone with standards and still listens to god more then comminists... then yes i guess you could call me that.

I'd go fight in WWII any day.. I'd probably die, but I'd go down fighting.

kavasa · February 2005

Volunteer militaries >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conscription militaries. The U.S. armed forces are too big as it is. IMO, it should be a fraction of its current size, with every last combat soldier having been trained and equipped like some sort of crazy delta-seal hybrid. And ninja training too, please. Exception to this: the air force. When allowed to do its thing the right way, instead of ridiculous political nonsense like shock-and-awe (dear Rumsfeld: please die), the AF grants us a near-guaranteed win in any conventional fight. But I digress.

Also - a great number of people don't need character "built". And some would argue with you whether "respect for authority" without any qualifiers even counted as character. In fact, I'm one of them. I don't mean to sound like some hip edgy coffeeshop marxist, because I'm not. Authority, just like everything and everyone else, has to <i>earn</i> its respect. Authority on its own doesn't cut it.

Also also - the military is the wrong place for a lot of kids. In fact, I can't hardly believe we've got 18 and 19 year old kids in Iraq and Afghanistan that have killed people. Blows my mind. 19 year olds should be getting laid, making mistakes, challenging their ideas about the world, etc etc. They shouldn't, in a perfect world, be dropping hostiles with a 5.56mm round. And your little program sort of gets in the way of college for two years, even for our best and brightest, which is, uh. Not a good idea.

So, no.
You served and liked it and felt it did you some good - great. Good for you. This doesn't make conscription sensible. The top brass don't want conscription, the civillian population doesn't want conscription, no one wants it. For good reasons.

2nd edit: WHY AM I POSTING IN THIS FORUM.

AvengerX · February 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (reasa @ Feb 20 2005, 11:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AvengerX @ Feb 20 2005, 08:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I made one mistake ok? not a few... so just can it.

I don't think sending everyone into the millatary is a good idea. some people are born soldiers, others born scientists, others born musicians... and well you get the idea.

but I agree that kids now a days just don't learn what they need to . I think we should bring back corperal punishment. I'd behave in school if it meant a beating if I didn't </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Well I would call saying Siberia is worthless and making up an entire segment of history where Alexander the Great was taught some sort of lesson in his farcical invasion of Russia, a few mistakes.

As for corporal punishment...possible but I doubt that would make things better.
The entire school system needs to be revamped. Perhaps if students weren't forced to become "well rounded" and were allowed to hone in on what they excel in, school wouldn't become such a mindless chore and maybe become an enjoyable institution for learning.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Siberia is worthless....

and I agree with you on the more specific training in school. I think that after Jr. high, you should go into a more funneled place where you harness your abillities. because I think being well rounded to a degree is needed. kids need to get lots of knowledge so they have options. but I think 12 years of not being able to get any real good stuff in the fields they look for is a problem

CommunistWithAGun · February 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AvengerX @ Feb 21 2005, 12:14 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ Feb 21 2005, 12:01 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AvengerX @ Feb 20 2005, 10:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ Feb 20 2005, 09:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> If I was drafted they'd have to drag me to every battle, hold the gun in my arms for me, I simply would go limp and refuse to do anything, no amount of yelling or harassment would change that. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
so if you were Drafted into WWII ... you wouldn't fight to save millions of jews/homo's/other miniritys? what a jerk </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Well we know you would't for sure because you're a homophobe, as well demonstrated in the homosexuality thread. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
if by homophope... you mean someone with standards and still listens to god more then comminists... then yes i guess you could call me that.

I'd go fight in WWII any day.. I'd probably die, but I'd go down fighting.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
All you know of the word of god is what is written by man, so, try again, also, what are comminist?

AvengerX · February 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ Feb 21 2005, 12:35 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AvengerX @ Feb 21 2005, 12:14 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ Feb 21 2005, 12:01 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AvengerX @ Feb 20 2005, 10:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ Feb 20 2005, 09:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> If I was drafted they'd have to drag me to every battle, hold the gun in my arms for me, I simply would go limp and refuse to do anything, no amount of yelling or harassment would change that. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
so if you were Drafted into WWII ... you wouldn't fight to save millions of jews/homo's/other miniritys? what a jerk </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Well we know you would't for sure because you're a homophobe, as well demonstrated in the homosexuality thread. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
if by homophope... you mean someone with standards and still listens to god more then comminists... then yes i guess you could call me that.

I'd go fight in WWII any day.. I'd probably die, but I'd go down fighting. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
All you know of the word of god is what is written by man, so, try again, also, what are comminist?  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
heh. sorry, spelling is my weakness (as you all can tell) so I sometimes spell things wrong. and if I cared about the subject I was mispelling I'd check...jk, but yeah I'll work on that k man.

and your really dead set agaisnt religion.. but thats cool

CommunistWithAGun · February 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AvengerX @ Feb 21 2005, 12:37 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ Feb 21 2005, 12:35 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AvengerX @ Feb 21 2005, 12:14 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ Feb 21 2005, 12:01 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AvengerX @ Feb 20 2005, 10:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ Feb 20 2005, 09:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> If I was drafted they'd have to drag me to every battle, hold the gun in my arms for me, I simply would go limp and refuse to do anything, no amount of yelling or harassment would change that. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
so if you were Drafted into WWII ... you wouldn't fight to save millions of jews/homo's/other miniritys? what a jerk </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Well we know you would't for sure because you're a homophobe, as well demonstrated in the homosexuality thread. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
if by homophope... you mean someone with standards and still listens to god more then comminists... then yes i guess you could call me that.

I'd go fight in WWII any day.. I'd probably die, but I'd go down fighting. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
All you know of the word of god is what is written by man, so, try again, also, what are comminist? </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
heh. sorry, spelling is my weakness (as you all can tell) so I sometimes spell things wrong. and if I cared about the subject I was mispelling I'd check...jk, but yeah I'll work on that k man.

and your really dead set agaisnt religion.. but thats cool  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
No, I've said it a hundred times before. I have no problem with religion, I have a problem with zealots who can't even be bothered to think for themselves at all. And when cornered have no other ammunition than insulting someone else. And thanks again to avenger this topic will be doomed to insults and eventual closure.

AllUrHiveRblong2us · February 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ Feb 21 2005, 12:35 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>if by homophope... you mean someone with standards and still listens to god more then comminists... then yes i guess you could call me that.

I'd go fight in WWII any day.. I'd probably die, but I'd go down fighting. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
All you know of the word of god is what is written by man, so, try again, also, what are comminist? </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
And for that matter, what's a homophope? Sounds like something fun. Like a European clown or a weird looking deep sea fish.

AvengerX · February 2005

hey buddy. it takes two ta tango ya know! so don't make it seem like I'm the one picking the fights here

if we'd get BACK ON TOPIC then the topic wouldn't get closed would it.

heres how I see it

here are the pro's to this idea

1- it'd tuffin kids up. the world might seem a little bit easier after going threw a ruff expierence like being in the army for 2 years

2- it'd strentghen our armed forces

3- it'd teach kids disaplin and respect

here are some Problems with it tho

1- people might not want to be in the army... so they might not want to be in America period, so we might get people leaving the country

2- it might make people conform too much and we'll loose our individuality a little bit

3- if you teach everyone how to kill each other... that could be a bad thing if a civil war broke out and everyone was a trained soldier

SkulkBait · February 2005

Can't we have any threads anymore where somebody doesn't bring up religion? Seriously, just shut up!

AvengerX · February 2005

he called me a homophobe..... what was I suppose to do.. and I was the one saying that I'd fight to protect homo's from hitler... I may not support homosexuality but their still people and no person on the earth should be killed or genecided unless they've commited a crime (no homosexuality isn't really a crime its just imoral in my opinion) so yeah...I'm just defending myself. and I'll leave religion out of this thread as much as possible

wankalot · February 2005

Last time i checked the US is not a police state the forces people to risk thier lives... or is it.

I'm not denying the potential value of a military service, but it doesnt suit everyone. people who dont want to be soldiers generally tend to be crap soldiers. Crap soldiers tend to have a miserable time in the army. Compusory service can potentially throw away 3 years of a persons life.

Unfortunately, though, i wouldnt be suprised if compusory service happened in the US. This is a nation that cant afford ne more backward steps

AvengerX · February 2005

what if instead of just being the milatary it was a number of things... the U.S could call it a "life tax" making you give 2 years of your life to serving the country once you turn 20. you'd still make money and get benefits but you'd spend two years in an organazation that strenthens the country and weakens the U.S's enemies

CommunistWithAGun · February 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AvengerX @ Feb 21 2005, 12:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> what if instead of just being the milatary it was a number of things... the U.S could call it a "life tax" making you give 2 years of your life to serving the country once you turn 20. you'd still make money and get benefits but you'd spend two years in an organazation that strenthens the country and weakens the U.S's enemies  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Please read the book Starship troopers with some level of competensy before speaking in this thread again, because Im having a difficult time understanding someone who CONSTANTLY contradicts himself. Repeatedly.

Snidely · February 2005

I still haven't heard a good argument for forcing people to join the army. "Instilling discipline and character"? If you want that for yourself, and you feel the army is the only way, then go ahead and join. But don't expect me to feel the same way.

Like CWAG, I would resist in every damn way I could.

"Life Tax"? Ugh. What's wrong with a military composed of volunteers?

AvengerX · February 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ Feb 21 2005, 02:16 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AvengerX @ Feb 21 2005, 12:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> what if instead of just being the milatary it was a number of things... the U.S could call it a "life tax" making you give 2 years of your life to serving the country once you turn 20. you'd still make money and get benefits but you'd spend two years in an organazation that strenthens the country and weakens the U.S's enemies </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Please read the book Starship troopers with some level of competensy before speaking in this thread again, because Im having a difficult time understanding someone who CONSTANTLY contradicts himself. Repeatedly.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
how am I contradicting myself.. I'm just taking diffrent stand points on the topic to cover all my bases and see it form all the angles... you my friend suffer from tunnel vision (something that happens when your a communist I'm sure) but I'm just trying to get some perspective on the whole issue, ya know... get the big picture

moultano · February 2005

I don't think this has been brought up yet. Forced conscription would cause a massive brain drain as the best and brightest left the country to avoid it. Quite a few of the professors from other countries at American universities came to the US to avoid military service in their own countries.

CommunistWithAGun · February 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AvengerX @ Feb 21 2005, 03:04 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ Feb 21 2005, 02:16 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AvengerX @ Feb 21 2005, 12:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> what if instead of just being the milatary it was a number of things... the U.S could call it a "life tax" making you give 2 years of your life to serving the country once you turn 20. you'd still make money and get benefits but you'd spend two years in an organazation that strenthens the country and weakens the U.S's enemies </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Please read the book Starship troopers with some level of competensy before speaking in this thread again, because Im having a difficult time understanding someone who CONSTANTLY contradicts himself. Repeatedly. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
how am I contradicting myself.. I'm just taking diffrent stand points on the topic to cover all my bases and see it form all the angles... you my friend suffer from tunnel vision (something that happens when your a communist I'm sure) but I'm just trying to get some perspective on the whole issue, ya know... get the big picture  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Ironic a religious zealot like you calls someone else shortsighted.

Spacer · February 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AvengerX @ Feb 20 2005, 10:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> so if you were Drafted into WWII ... you wouldn't fight to save millions of jews/homo's/other miniritys? what a jerk  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Wow, I didn't think you cared about the homos. THEM GAWD DAYUM HOMOSEXUALS ARE STEALIN OUR MONEYS according to you.

Joining The Military Upon Completion Of School.

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